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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by ebukamen(m): 7:34pm On Nov 15, 2018
olujastro:

I'm an engineer by profession but I know some political economics.
Floating simply means allowing market forces to determine the actual value of the naira.
Floating the naira now is a dangerous step to take. This will take the exchange rate to close to $1 = N1000. Inflation will definitely triple. That means a bag of rice will be 50k.

High oil price is what gives the naira value as most of our foreign earnings come from oil and gas sales.

Nigeria needs to gradually diversify its economy away from oil and reduce its imports especially on items that consume our foreign reserve the most like petroleum products, rice, wheat and steel.

In summary, produce these items locally and possibly export them (after which we can then float the naira), so that the strength of the naira can rely on other things apart from oil.

This govt has previously said it plans to float the naira by 2022 based on its target of producing those 4 items locally by then.

As an example, Egypt relies less on oil than Nigeria. They floated their currency last year and the exchange rate went from 1USD = 9 EGP to 1USD = 18 EGP. That's a 100% loss of value with its attendant inflation.

You understand principles of economics but you don't economic analysis. you just failed your analysis. Go and study Nigerian economy and you will see that Atiku is right.

Good evening
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by Amadioha01(m): 7:36pm On Nov 15, 2018
Irregardless of who wins we are all bleeped
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by CosmicSensation: 7:36pm On Nov 15, 2018
Without even needing to go into the nitty gritty of this idea, you can tell it will be a gamble too risky to take now or anytime in the near future for that matter from his body language alone.
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by jorez: 7:38pm On Nov 15, 2018
[You surely make sense quote author=olujastro post=73000045]Omg!
This guy just wants to ruin the very fragile Nigerian economy by this singular action.
You can't float when the economy is still almost totally import dependent. Boost local production and export of certain goods that consume most of our fx, and then you initiate a float.

You can only attract short-term investors with a float. The same short-term investors will eventually take their money out when election comes because they don't trust the democratic stability of Nigeria and many African countries yet.

Build infrastructure and long-term investors will come in and set up industries in Nigeria. We have a huge market already. [/quote]

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by Nobody: 7:38pm On Nov 15, 2018
I am not with him on this one because salaries won't follow suit on the increase.
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by Moorish: 7:41pm On Nov 15, 2018
grandstar:



A floating exchange rate means your currency is determined by forces of demand and supply. Forget the big grammar it is called.

And who demands our naira ?

The currency, naira, as we have it is valued according to our foreign exchange earnings

We earn foreign exchange from crude oil sales

Do the math

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by wolexy14(m): 7:41pm On Nov 15, 2018
Hmmmm ....abeg make someone educate dis guy wetin inflation mean.....our leaders no just get brain ...how can u float inflation?has nigerian economy ever left inflation?i think all our leaders are dumb......i don give up on naija teytey.na so iweala use naija do trial and error with american policy and british policy wey crumble our econmoy till tomorrow.foolish set of people.

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by dimeji1(m): 7:41pm On Nov 15, 2018
feddis:
Is America the only wealth creating nation on the planet?
Be sensible.


Obviously u don't understand what he said. Uhm... investors move their money to a more stable economy. USA raising the interest rate means a lot of countries that needs investment will also have to increase their rate above USA rate in other to attract investors. 2016 Treasury bill go as high as 20% in other for government to raise fund locally. Buhari floated naira around 2016, dollar was exchanged around N400-N500. So, he should first reduce importation by investing in local industries then he can float the naira there after.

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by grandexpress(m): 7:43pm On Nov 15, 2018
Moorish:

I approve of this post

Kudos

Thank you. I love this country but it is very obvious that we will not get it right in the next 20 years.

Except the boys scouts come and do the needful.

Majority of the masses are still sub-humans at the last stage of evolving to Homo-Sapiens.

Can we wait till then?

The honest truth we are not yet ripe fir democracy. Imagine over 65% who are semi-illiterates, deluded and ethically compromised deciding our future for us.... Just think about it. Very hopeless.
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by iswallker(m): 7:44pm On Nov 15, 2018
dat9jaguy:
What assurance do we have that these foreign investors will plough their profits back into our economy?Capital flight is a major problem facing our economy.
Atiku presidency will seriously set this country back.

The capital they ploughed nko, and the multiplier effect of employment generated and wages paid...

Na the profit be your problem...

We need to start producing asap my brother...
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by grandexpress(m): 7:45pm On Nov 15, 2018
feddis:
Nigeria is hopeful with Atiku.
Instead of making vast blind unrealistic promises like Buhari, he's coming out with strategies he intend to use subject to scrutiny and reviews.
Nigeria is hopefully Atikulating.


From frying pan to fire. We are finished!!
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by bixton(m): 7:46pm On Nov 15, 2018
ebukamen:


You understand principles of economics but you don't economic analysis. you just failed your analysis. Go and study Nigerian economy and you will see that Atiku is right.

Good evening

You have succeeded in saying nothing.
If you truly understand what Atiku intends doing from the post can you explain in lay man terms?

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by WaffenSS(m): 7:46pm On Nov 15, 2018
MeanChris:
See all the complex analysis Atiku is making, showing someone with a knowledge of economics.

The only thing Buhari knows and thinks is corruption this, corruption that..

Oya fight the corruption na, He's telling us that a consensus corrupt individual is responsible.

Oga Buhari is done.. he should go and rest, let capable hands handle the country.

Kai to Lifeless FC

If you consider what atiku said as complex, then I wonder who's really lifeless between you and PMB

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by tegrianonigltd(m): 7:48pm On Nov 15, 2018
dat9jaguy:
What assurance do we have that these foreign investors will plough their profits back into our economy?Capital flight is a major problem facing our economy.
Atiku presidency will seriously set this country back.


You go school
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by Artzdanielsz(m): 7:49pm On Nov 15, 2018
I remembered when GEJ removed subsidy fuel before it returned to about 90 naira was about 140. Apc came and said they are removing subsidy we said ok and vooom fuel is 145. I heard that we are still paying for subsidy and still buying fuel at 145. Where is our subsidy money chia. And where are those refineries they talked about in 2015.

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by bixton(m): 7:49pm On Nov 15, 2018
WaffenSS:


If you consider what atiku said as complex, then I wonder who's really lifeless between you and PMB

grin grin grin grin grin

I can see lots of people gambling with the Nigerian economy claiming they know something.

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by Moorish: 7:51pm On Nov 15, 2018
bixton:


You have succeeded in saying nothing.
If you truly understand what Atiku intends doing from the post can you explain in lay man terms?
grin grin
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by Stone123(m): 7:51pm On Nov 15, 2018
Blind economics... floating currency in an uncontrolled economy full of sharp practices can never work. The super rich will enjoy it but it will be a 'lose lose' situation for the majority poor masses
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by Moorish: 7:51pm On Nov 15, 2018
WaffenSS:


If you consider what atiku said as complex, then I wonder who's really lifeless between you and PMB
Loool

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by dimeji1(m): 7:54pm On Nov 15, 2018
grandstar:
Nigeria's high inflation rate is caused by the Naira substitution policy which an economist Henry Boyo has wailed about and which Soludo was sabotaged from ending.

Every month, dollar revenues from crude oil are shared amongst the 3 tiers of government. This month allocation is paid to them in Naira.

So, let's say Nigeria earned $2b in December , 620b will be shared amongst them. This immediately swells up the money in circulation leading to excess money in circulation.

In order to mop up the excess money, government issues high yielding bonds to soak up the excess money.

Since Nibor rates are the basis of bank loans, lending rates are also high. Now imagine if $3b or 930b was released!. The more the earnings, the more the wahala.

Henry Boyo suggested that the 3 tiers of government be paid with dollar certificates which can be redeemed at any commercial bank.

With the policy, the excess Naira in circulation ends and dollars will begin to chase Naira.

The governors were against it when Soludo was the governor of the CBN. They didn't understand it. Note, they will be paid with dollar certificates and not actual dollars.

Also , CBN colleagues were against the idea and were now in the he position to clip his wings now that Yaradua was now in office.

Yaradua heard their cries and put a full stop to it. An edict was even introduced ensuring it is as dead as a dodo.


Nice one.. I remember
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by Moorish: 7:55pm On Nov 15, 2018
grandexpress:


Thank you. I love this country but it is very obvious that we will not get it right in the next 20 years.

Except the boys scouts come and do the needful.

Majority of the masses are still sub-humans at the last stage of evolving to Homo-Sapiens.

Can we wait till then?

The honest truth we are not yet ripe fir democracy. Imagine over 65% who are semi-illiterates, deluded and ethically compromised deciding our future for us.... Just think about it. Very hopeless.
By the 65% illiterates You mean the electorates right?

I understand that but I believe the current government is good enough for now, I don't support the Atiku option

A military government can be very repressive and evil also I don't know if that's the solution

I think democracy gives power to the masses..

And it breeds competition which is a good thing
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by nextstep(m): 7:55pm On Nov 15, 2018
mbaboy:
No risk no gain. Atiku economically sound than the lifeless one in aso rock

We do not need inflation; we have already experienced price doubling from 2015 till now. We do not need foreign investors who will come and take wealth. Yes, they'll bring 1 billion dollars, but then they'll repatriate 10 billion dollars in profits. I don't blame them, that's the nature of business.

What we need are Nigerian investors. We need our elites to stop being unfaithful to Nigeria.

They have money (some actually through legal means), yet choose to spend it on foreign real estate, foreign goods, and foreign services, believing that it somehow validates their existence. When all is said and done, after the flashy cars, the flights abroad, the caviar, expensive wines, and foreign hospitals, most of them end coming back to be buried 6 feet under the same ground they abandoned in their hometowns.

Elites of other countries invest in their own countries first. They encourage their young and invest in their ideas. Our elites - including Atiku from this rubbish - obviously do not believe in us.

Anybody who subscribes to the fetish of foreign investments has refused to learn the lessons of the past 100 years.

It was English elites/investors who invested in England.
It was German elites/investors who invested in Germany.
It was American elites/investors who invested in America.
It was Japanese elites/investors who invested in Japan.
It was Korean elites/investors who invested in Korea.
It was Dubai elites/investors who invested in Dubai.
It was Chinese elites/investors who invested in China.

I'm being verbose, so that the lesson sinks in. Nobody has developed their industrial base, the source of their internal security and prosperity, by leaving it to outsiders. Why does anybody think Nigeria's case would be different? From the palm oil colony days till now, after all the "foreign investment", which Nigerian company today can we boast of that mines dirt from the ground and creates a spanner? A common spanner?

Yes foreign money eventually flowed to these countries, but it was the local elites who first believed in themselves, who built the environment, who built the factories, who employed their own people. Once you get to a certain stage, you can invite foreign developers on equal terms: you invest in their country, they invest in yours.

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by Burgerlomo: 7:57pm On Nov 15, 2018
Sombori wan take Naija play gamble, anyway e good sontimes make pesin take risk, nah peeps wey dey play baba ijebu go understand me bera cool
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by Winning123: 7:58pm On Nov 15, 2018
Your parents wasted money semding you to school. Your rogue Atiku wants to float the naira in a mono product economy for brief case investors

quote author=mbaboy post=72995790]No risk no gain. Atiku economically sound than the lifeless one in aso rock[/quote]
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by kahal29: 7:59pm On Nov 15, 2018
ebukamen:


You understand principles of economics but you don't economic analysis. you just failed your analysis. Go and study Nigerian economy and you will see that Atiku is right.

Good evening

Right how? Float Naira in an import dependent economy like Nigeria? Floating or Flexible exchange rate only exists in theory No sane country allows it's currency to free float rather they use managed float.
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by Moorish: 8:02pm On Nov 15, 2018
nextstep:


We do not need inflation; we have already experienced price doubling from 2015 till now. We do not need foreign investors who will come and take wealth. Yes, they'll bring 1 billion dollars, but then they'll repatriate 10 billion dollars in profits. I don't blame them, that's the nature of business.

What we need are Nigerian investors. We need our elites to stop being unfaithful to Nigeria.

They have money (some actually through legal means), yet choose to spend it on foreign real estate, foreign goods, and foreign services, believing that it somehow validates their existence. When all is said and done, after the flashy cars, the flights abroad, the caviar, expensive wines, and foreign hospitals, most of them end coming back to be buried 6 feet under the same ground they abandoned in their hometowns.

Elites of other countries invest in their own countries first. They encourage their young and invest in their ideas. Our elites - including Atiku from this rubbish - obviously do not believe in us.

Anybody who subscribes to the fetish of foreign investments has refused to learn the lessons of the past 100 years.

It was Japanese elites/investors who invested in Japan.
It was Korean elites/investors who invested in Korea.
It was Dubai elites/investors who invested in Dubai.
It was Chinese elites/investors who invested in China.

Yes foreign money eventually flowed to these countries, but it was the local elites who first believed in themselves, who built the environment, who built the factories, who employed their own people. Once you get to a certain stage, you can invite foreign developers on equal terms: you invest in their country, they invest in yours.
This makes a lot of sense
Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by grandexpress(m): 8:03pm On Nov 15, 2018
Moorish:

By the 65% illiterates You mean the electorates right?

I understand that but I believe the current government is good enough for now, I don't support the Atiku option

A military government can be very repressive and evil also I don't know if that's the solution

I think democracy gives power to the masses..

And it breeds competition which is a good thing

Yes I mean the electorates. I dont support any of the 2 candidates. We cant keep going to the past to look into the future.
There is no hope for Nigeria. Jerry Rawlins approach is the remedy we need.

Normally Democracy gives power to the masses, but not when the masses are majorly backwards in thinking. The enlightened few will suffer for it.

Everyday someone is using someone's body parts for rituals.... It's shameful to be Nigerian sometimes.

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by 989900: 8:03pm On Nov 15, 2018
feddis:
Coming from a joke, am not surprised.

Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by grandstar(m): 8:07pm On Nov 15, 2018
Moorish:

And who demands our naira ?

The currency, naira, as we have it is valued according to our foreign exchange earnings

We earn foreign exchange from crude oil sales

Do the math

And you believe theres an option other than a float? Please educate me! Buhari tried a fixed peg which plunged the economy into a severe recession.

Im waiting.

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by pacespot(m): 8:08pm On Nov 15, 2018
More like saying you want to sell Nigeria back to the colonialists. Foreign investors (especially the West) are not attracted by only the economic environment, they are also attracted by the political environment. China is one of the most attractive and lucrative investment destinations for foreigners, but since Donald Trump was elected president, European companies have been withdrawing their investments from the country.

Buhari administration has made a lot of improvement to the infrastructure in Nigeria, power has been the major bane of economic development in Nigeria before this administration, but today that overhead has been reduced. Taking my area as an example, we now experience a regular power supply for at least 23 hours per day in the past 6 months. The would-be Nigerian entrepreneurs should capitalize on this improvement in the power sector. This is not a political rhetoric, I believe everybody can see the difference in power today.

Our next wave of economic transformation should be industrialization, not by sabotaging our fragile economy to appeal to foreign investors who can leave at any moment. Industrialization will make foreign investors to come by force. With this administration making inroads into rail links and road constructions, these are the bases for a real industrialized economy.

I'm beginning to suspect this Atiku as a mole for the West to mortgage Nigeria.

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by Moorish: 8:08pm On Nov 15, 2018
grandexpress:


Yes I mean the electorates. I dont support any of the 2 candidates. We cant keep going to the past to look into the future.
There is no hope for Nigeria. Jerry Rawlins approach is the remedy we need.

Normally Democracy gives power to the masses, but not when the masses are majorly backwards in thinking. The enlightened few will suffer for it.

Everyday someone is using someone's body parts for rituals.... It's shameful to be Nigerian sometimes.

Its frightening what the future holds

Rising birth rates and we have the largest number of people in extreme poverty

I do fear however, the Jerry Rawlings or gadaffi approach, Libya is worse today

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Re: Atiku: I Will Risk Inflation To Win Huge Foreign Investments by revolt(m): 8:08pm On Nov 15, 2018
I see people that don't understand Jack about economics talking nonsense. Atikus proposal has advantages and disadvantages. Floating the naira with sound deregulation policies will see a heavy influx of fdi. This will significantly increase employment. Naira MAY be devalued but since we hope to reduce importation by massive Fdi inflow( profuction) then a devalued naira wouldnt be our major issue. The Fdi inflow would greatly depend on certain policies like signing the pib to law and fixing power by deregulating and decentralising the national grid to fix power.
The most important thing is creating a friendly business environment for Fdi inflow. Commodity pricing may sky rocket in the beginning but id assume atiku as a business wouldn't support monopolies thus competition should crash prices in no distant future. This isnt a bad policy direction as compared to the conservative socialist incline the buhari administration is steering us to.
I think a little brushing up of this policy by atiku isnt bad at all. If hes really serious about restructuring then wed assume hed do everything possible to decentralised the national grid and hopefully commercialise the use of alternative energy ...more importantly unite the country and expunge the divisive lines buhari has created via his bigotry.

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