raumdeuter:


He was part of a defence that conceded 10 goals in 5 games an average of 2 per game which showed that he failed at his duty the defence failed and Liverpool only made the final because they had a sharp attack

How can a team that played a 7-6 game over 180mins have any form of credit for the defenders in the game

Thats why sense is there for people to use

Liverpool/van djik defence in the final particular was very good..they restricted madrid from having clear cut chances if not for karius blunders

If Liverpool conceded just one goal to the final last year, we would have heard phrase like "Van Dijk marshaled Liverpool defence that's why they conceded only one goal to the final" or "Vav Dijk led Liverpool defence impenetrable" or "Since Van Dijk arrived, Liverpool don't concede goals anymore"..... But now that Liverpool conceded bucket loads of goals to the final, it is Milner's diflection, Karius error etc...

Airmark I see you. Weldone.

is it true that Bakayoko is actually better than flobinho

we should consider Trogan Hazard this January, maybe that would make E.Hazard put pen to paper on a new contract

we could also consider Piatek, buy him this January before his Tvalue sky rockets

airmark:


He could have mentioned Arjen, but me and you know Arjen wasn't a bundle of skills. You could predict his next move and direction.

Joe Cole was mainly known as a skillful and tricky player and I remember Mou in a match, was describing Cole's flicks and other skills, telling him to stop all that, yelling at him.

In 2006 mou called him untouchable, confirming his excellent performance that season but officially he was our best player 2007/2008. So it still doesn't debunk the fact that he was our best player at a point.

Me and you don't know anything. Arjen was much much more skillful than Joe Cole.

How can Joe Cole be an untouchable when Robben was benching him? Look at the first screenshot below. Robben injury hands Cole precious opportunity.... Did you see that headline? How can an untouchable look to take advantage of someone else injury to get into the starting 11?

Mou yelling at Joe Cole doesn't mean he was the most skillful. We know Mou as a defensive coach. If you don't track back, you get yelled at. Whatever you do in the pitch, Mou expect you to track back. So he could yell at Duff, Crespo, Kezman if they don't track back.

@bolded...yes true, at a point when Arjen Robben have left Chelsea...

timbros:
If Liverpool conceded just one goal to the final last year, we would have heard phrase like "Van Dijk marshaled Liverpool defence that's why they conceded only one goal to the final" or "Vav Dijk led Liverpool defence impenetrable" or "Since Van Dijk arrived, Liverpool don't concede goals anymore"..... But now that Liverpool conceded bucket loads of goals to the final, it is Milner's diflection, Karius error etc...

Airmark I see you. Weldone.

Dont get it twisted I don't analyze football like idiotts. I study player's individual contributions to team's success. I would have expected you and Dayo to bring out Van dijk contributions to at least 6 of the 10 goals conceded. Would they have conceded more and got knocked out before reaching the final, if not for him? Absolute YES.

UEFA must be a fool to you, just like me, putting someone who joined in January in ucl team of the season. That's something sane minds will know it boils down to his individual abilities in the team.

Also I don't think he is the most popular cb, in case any mofo wants to play the senseless 'popularity contest' card.

timbros:

Mou yelling at Joe Cole doesn't mean he was the most skillful. We know Mou as a defensive coach. If you don't track back, you get yelled at. Whatever you do in the pitch, Mou expect you to track back. So he could yell at Duff, Crespo, Kezman if they don't track back.

@bolded...yes true, at a point when Arjen Robben have left Chelsea...

I told you that Mou was yelling at him and mimicking his flicks you are here talking about tracking back. Abeg lemme enjoy my weekend.

Chelsea signing Pulisic for 70m is it worth it ?

And you got 10 likes lol. This thread nor go kee me with laugh.

airmark:


I was expecting you to point to 10 now, since he should be blamed for all the 10 goals, oponu.

timbros:
If Liverpool conceded just one goal to the final last year, we would have heard phrase like "Van Dijk marshaled Liverpool defence that's why they conceded only one goal to the final" or "Vav Dijk led Liverpool defence impenetrable" or "Since Van Dijk arrived, Liverpool don't concede goals anymore"..... But now that Liverpool conceded bucket loads of goals to the final, it is Milner's diflection, Karius error etc...

Airmark I see you. Weldone.

You sef see am? This season we are hearing that VVD is leading the Liverpool defence thats why they are not conceding. But when they conceded 10 goals in 5 games it was because of Milner Karius and everyone except VVD

kendrick93:
Liverpool/van djik defence in the final particular was very good..they restricted madrid from having clear cut chances if not for karius blunders

Madrid had 12 shots and 6 of them on target in 90mins. 6 shots on target is that restricting?
These are some of the chances Madrid missed or the same Karius we are abusing saved. Some of them 100 percent chances and where was VVD in those instance?










These are other chances saved by last ditch tackles from Liverpool defenders not VVD




So the idea that Liverpool defence in last CL was solid and Karius plus Milner were the ones ruining the good work of VVD is false

This season in the CL with VVD, they have conceded 5 goals in 4 games without Karius

airmark:


I told you that Mou was yelling at him and mimicking his flicks you are here talking about tracking back. Abeg lemme enjoy my weekend.

I'm not sure you read the article I posted the link earlier.

Read an excerpt from the article...

Cole, 23, has now made 16 starts this season in Chelsea's 40 games, but just nine have come in the Premiership and only four have been in the same line-up as Robben. Indeed, Cole's greatest involvement came earlier in the campaign during Robben's last injury absence, before Mourinho lost patience with the England midfielder over his failure to track back and defend.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/robben-injury-hands-cole-precious-opportunity-11192.html?amp

The bolded is Mourinho's problem with Joe Cole, not the flicks.

OK let's assume for a second that the flicks and tricks was the problem. What does that tell you about Cole's skills? Unproductive, unnecessary, aimless. That's why Mourinho was angry.

If his skills was advantageous to the team, he would be benching Robben. But the team selection proves who Mourinho values more.

Robben was the most skillful Chelsea player that time.

raumdeuter:


You sef see am? This season we are hearing that VVD is leading the Liverpool defence thats why they are not conceding. But when they conceded 10 goals in 5 games it was because of Milner Karius and everyone except VVD

Exactly what I was trying to say.

If Van Dijk is the reason Liverpool defence is water tight, he should also be included in the reason why Liverpool defence leak goals.

How bout this fellas.

Although African football still have a long way to go.

raumdeuter:


Madrid had 12 shots and 6 of them on target in 90mins. 6 shots on target is that restricting?
These are some of the chances Madrid missed or the same Karius we are abusing saved. Some of them 100 percent chances and where was VVD in those instance?
These are other chances saved by last ditch tackles from Liverpool defenders not VVD

So the idea that Liverpool defence in last CL was solid and Karius plus Milner were the ones ruining the good work of VVD is false

This season in the CL with VVD, they have conceded 5 goals in 4 games without Karius

Balderdash, show us Van dijk vs Real madrid. mumu.

Bonus


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNPnfoFihCc

timbros:


OK let's assume for a second that the flicks and tricks was the problem. What does that tell you about Cole's skills? Unproductive, unnecessary, aimless. That's why Mourinho was angry.

You are wrong, there's a reason some iddiots tagged Hazard shakushaku dancer and cried that he did unneccessary dribbles. Does that take away from him, the fact that he is skillful?

Mou is not known for admiring skillful players. Strength and speed majorly aided Robben's productivity on the pitch, which made him, preferred to Cole. He covers more attacking space with those attributes, not only because of his skill. He was very swift, with his 'left-leg-to-the-ball' movements.

Mou complaining about Cole inability to track back, confirms his lack of strength compared to Robben, not because of inferior skill.

krattoss:

How bout this fellas.

Although African football still have a long way to go.

VAR is needed in football, some referees are dumb.

timbros:


Exactly what I was trying to say.

If Van Dijk is the reason Liverpool defence is water tight, he should also be included in the reason why Liverpool defence leak goals.

That's why i blamed him for Karius' howler, and was shocked he wasn't sold and also in ucl team of the season.

airmark:


Balderdash, show us Van dijk vs Real madrid. mumu.

Bonus
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You have no shame you ahve to show a video where all the major defensive action were by 19yr old De Ligt

In the highlight you showed, Deligt did way more than Mr pony tail

Below is the only place VVD showed in the video and it was when Griezman was riding him to shoot before the keeper saved him

krattoss:

How bout this fellas.

Although African football still have a long way to go.

Na only that one you see
First half nko

Andrea Relapsi Belloti not starting for Italy once again

raumdeuter:
Andrea Relapsi Belloti not starting for Italy once again

have you asked Owen what happens after a player's gets that type of injury

lordfalcao:
have you asked Owen what happens after a player's gets that type of injury

Michael Owen told him he can play for Torino but he cannot play for Italy. I understand

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raumdeuter:


You sef see am? This season we are hearing that VVD is leading the Liverpool defence thats why they are not conceding. But when they conceded 10 goals in 5 games it was because of Milner Karius and everyone except VVD

Since Van Dijk's arrival in January, Liverpool has conceded the least number of goals and kept the most clean sheets than anyone across all 5 European top leagues in 2018 #Facts

This is not a joke.

It is truth.

I won't argue with you, plz check out the statistics for yourself.

But according to some people VVD is overrated and has not improved Liverpools defence.

The statistics say otherwise.

VVD is arguably the best defender in PL.

I wonder where Liverpool would be without him.

You can cherry pick Van Dijk 's performance looking for something to use against him but you take away his stats and records away from him.

He is one the best.

BlackManta:


Since Van Dijk's arrival in January, Liverpool has conceded the least number of goals and kept the most clean sheets than anyone across all 5 European top leagues in 2018 #Facts

This is not a joke.

It is truth.

I won't argue with you, plz check out the statistics for yourself.

But according to some people VVD is overrated and has not improved Liverpools defence.

The statistics say otherwise.

VVD is arguably the best defender in PL.

I wonder where Liverpool would be without him.

You can cherry pick Van Dijk 's performance looking for something to use against him but you take away his stats and records away from him.

He is one the best.

timbros you dey see? Since VVD got to Liverpool their defence is the best but when the same Liverpool defence conceded 10 goals in 5 games and 5 in 4 CL games this season

Its the fault of other people not VVD

BlackManta:


Since Van Dijk's arrival in January, Liverpool has conceded the least number of goals and kept the most clean sheets than anyone across all 5 European top leagues in 2018 #Facts

Are you sure about this?

Can you tell me how many goals Liverpool have conceded in all competitions in games that VVD played and lets compare to someone like Laporte

Both of them got to their current clubs in January

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raumdeuter:


Are you sure about this?

Can you tell me how many goals Liverpool have conceded in all competitions in games that VVD played and lets compare to someone like Laporte

Both of them got to their current clubs in January

As at 2 weeks ago, this was Liverpool's record.

Updated... to present day.

Goals conceded in 2018. .

Manchester City - 34

Liverpool - 36

I don't know why you brought up LaPorte.

VVD played more games than him.

And yes, when discussing goals conceded the defender with more games get the bigger credit.

The more games you play, the bigger the challenge of not conceding.
The less games you play, the lesser the chances of conceding.

Hence VVD is the winner here .

LaPorte doesn't come close.

VVD played 9 more games than LaPorte.

VVD is hands down the best defender in premier league.

#fact

I dare you to bring up another PL defender to compare with him.

I don't know why some people still think VVD did not improve Liverpool's defense.

Imagine dragging defensive record with Man City.

Liverpool and Man City have the best defensive records across Europe top 5 leagues in 2018.

Only 2 goals separate them.

And yet some people still have effrontery to underate VVD's effort at Liverpool.

It can only be envy and jealousy.

BlackManta:


As at 2 weeks ago, this was Liverpool's record.

Updated... to present day.

Goals conceded in 2018. .

Manchester City - 34

Liverpool - 36

I don't know why you brought up LaPorte.



VVD played 9 more games than LaPorte.

VVD is hands down the best defender in premier league.

#fact

I dare you

Only 2 goals separate them.

And yet some people still have effrontery to underate VVD's effort at Liverpool.

It can only be envy and jealousy.

How many goals has liverpool conceded in games vvd played and how many goals has city conceded in games Laporte played
Give number of games played and goals conceded

Vvd and Laporte cannot be responsible for goals conceded when they are not in the field. So give us number of games each of them played and goals conceded in those games