komekn:


If your blinded by the negative you can't see the objective.

Consider the context Glasgow Rangers is in the Scottish league rated number 20 in Europe and Villareal league La Liga is rated number 1 by UEFA.

So taken in context the comparison is that Glasgow Rangers is lowly rated in comparison to Villarreal . Rangers didn't expect to win or even get a draw. They are the weaker team on paper. So the performance of Rangers was a bit of an upset.

The League themselves rated this young man pls stop this??


When last did the Epl even rate a young Nigerian in the Epl playing from scratch? Even Uzoho wasn't rated, yet this Samuel was, alongside a few others that I think you need to see their stats before castigating Samuel. Pls these parameters you're bringing are irrelevant to this study we are looking at. Withdraw them!!!

So you expected Chukwueze to be the man of the match or be very magical in his first professional match in top flight football against Rangers of Scotland.

komekn:


If your blinded by the negative you can't see the objective.

Consider the context Glasgow Rangers is in the Scottish league rated number 20 in Europe and Villareal league La Liga is rated number 1 by UEFA.

So taken in context the comparison is that Glasgow Rangers is lowly rated in comparison to Villarreal . Rangers didn't expect to win or even get a draw. They are the weaker team on paper. So the performance of Rangers was a bit of an upset.

Utonwanne:


You cannot make your deduction using one game. He has been good since his game with the senior team. Judging by the last few games, he's in first 11

I haven't made any deductions however those who are Superdelusuional can't see that.

To reiterate I said in the Glasgow Rangers game he simply was not impressive. I didn't say he was not any good.

I then asked the legitimate fair question following, other deductions made by other contributors what makes him a HUGE SUPER TALENT❓ in Europe. To date nobody has answered the question.

But the tag Hater, has been implied.

cc12:
So you expected Chukwueze to be the man of the match or be very magical in his first professional match in top flight football against Rangers of Scotland.

Once again you are joining a band wagon of negative not well-thought out presumptions. By your sarcasm.

I said he was not impressive, which he was not. No addition no subtraction.

Your biasness and hate for Indigenous Nigerian footballers is getting out of hand, how I wish there is no switching of nationality in international football so you won't be bombing us with your praises of British footballers of Nigerian heritage here so we can use the players that were born and bred in Nigeria.

komekn:


If your blinded by the negative you can't see the objective.

Consider the context Glasgow Rangers is in the Scottish league rated number 20 in Europe and Villareal league La Liga is rated number 1 by UEFA.

So taken in context the comparison is that Glasgow Rangers is lowly rated in comparison to Villarreal . Rangers didn't expect to win or even get a draw. They are the weaker team on paper. So the performance of Rangers was a bit of an upset.

I am not joining any bandwagon , how many footballers have you seen perform magic on their debut in top flight football?

komekn:


Once again you are joining a band wagon of negative not well-thought out presumptions.

I said he was not impressive, which he was not. No addition no subtraction.

If you wanna pick on Samuel, pls let's your parameter of justification be applied to these other 9young men that had better chances than him but didn't show it. @Komekn.

cc12:
Your biasness and hate for Indigenous Nigerian footballers is getting out of hand, how I wish there is no switching of nationality in international football so you won't be bombing us with your praises of British footballers of Nigerian heritage here so we can use the players that were born and bred in Nigeria.

Your blinded prejudiced irrational negativity renders you incapable of being objective.

You have made a whole series of assumptions but not under pinned with anything to prove your point.

Beyond your own self birthed opinion.

komekn:


EVASION !!!

So essentially you have no opinion of your own. You said he was a HUGE TALENT. You have nothing to under pin your deduction with. Another man's comment has become your own.

What exactly are you after?

I said he was a HUGE TALENT. I have watched him play twice this season and I was impressed with what i saw. I was illustrating further to show that i was not on my own in arriving at that conclusion as even louder voices in football have made similar observations.

Now what more do you want? Please respond, i am waiting and in the mood today. Tread carefully.

The reverse is the case, because you are the person who doesn't see anything good about players from Nigeria.

komekn:


Your blinded prejudiced irrational negativity renders you incapable of being objective.

You have made a whole series of assumptions but not under pinned with anything to prove your point.

Beyond your own self birthed opinion.

daveP:
You didn't even ask of the beautiful Courtney Dike?

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Chai,I even forgot Courtney sef. I love it when she smiles . In fact I don't even understand what's happening again. Let's just pray the Falcons make it out of that group with those present.

COOL10:
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Chai,I even forgot Courtney sef. I love it when she smiles . In fact I don't even understand what's happening again. Let's just pray the Falcons make it out of that group with those present.

Maybe school. they used her to market the u20 and it worked in a positive way.

Can't imagine she isn't here too.

cc12:
I am not joining any bandwagon , how many footballers have you seen perform magic on their debut in top flight football?

Go back watch the Glasgow game and then comment. You want an argument when thier is nothing to argue about.

I watched the game from beginning to end live.

You really should not use sarcastic assumption to convey your arguments. I gave an opinion strictly on that match no other match.

So should I then say he played like Mbappe and Nyemar to satisfy the need for over hyping a player that so many people ascribe to here.

Not too long ago we had the same heated discussion about Sadiq Umar. I gave my opinion based on the few games l had watched him play.

However, with regards to Chukwueze l haven't proffered any opinion just yet, way too early at this time. What I have done is to question the basis for all these accolades, HUGE TALENT, etc. Without any prejudice.

But once again the emotive and unbalanced negative sentiment as well as vitriolic rhetoric directed my way tells us how delusional some people are here.

All because l asked a question ❓ it's great COMEDY LOL.

cc12:
The reverse is the case, because you are the person who doesn't see anything good about players from Nigeria.

I am indulging you. But I bet you will be evasive and not take up the challenge.

Prove your point don't assume, be objective and substantive, quote my posts it's all written to prove your point.

However, to the impure all things are impure

komekn:


I am indulging you. But I bet you will be evasive and not take up the challenge.

Prove your point don't assume, be objective and substantive, quote my posts it's all written to prove your point.

However, to the impure all things are impure

You mean the match Vs Rangers that he was brought on in the 79th minute against a Gerrard side that was looking for a winner and he had to switch to defensive mode? is that the match you're using to judge this guy that has 4goals and an assist this season? Pls clarify cos I'm beginning to hate this stance you're bent on. You can't tag me a hater when I have proof, and if you want to subject Samuel to such standards, pls ensure the standard is used for his co young players that were rated alongside him. Pls.

wayodude:


What exactly are you after?

I said he was a HUGE TALENT. I have watched him play twice this season and I was impressed with what i saw. I was illustrating further to show that i was not on my own is arriving at that conclusion as even louder voices in football have made similar observations.

Now what more do you want? Please respond, i am waiting and in the mood today. Tread carefully.

I think what we have is a dramatic difference of approach with regards to how you conclude on what you call Outstanding Talent and what I call it.

I have seen too many teenage players show promise, l have seen players bought for a £1 million pounds played some first team games. Within 3/4 years they are playing non league.

I do not put those accolades on a player lightly. It has to be proven established not just potential. Over time and on the field of play consistent and continous.

daveP:
You mean the match Vs Rangers that he was brought on in the 79th minute against a Gerrard side that was looking for a winner and he had to switch to defensive mode? is that the match you're using to judge this guy that has 4goals and an assist this season? Pls clarify cos I'm beginning to hate this stance you're bent on. You can't tag me a hater when I have proof, and if you want to subject Samuel to such standards, pls ensure the standard is used for his co young players that were rated alongside him. Pls.

You usually have more depth than this.

I know you haven't read my earlier posts that's why you ask the question. If you had, you would not.

edi287:

Bafana Bafana ended with the likes of Pienaar, Zuma, Novemthe, Old John Mabizela, etc.
We were missing Mikel, Moses, Ighalo in the first leg and Ndidi, Mikel, Moses(retired), Shehu, Tyrone, etc.
I don't why some of you are celebrating not beating a team that had only 3 CM in Ogu, Etebo and Agu.

who is celebrating? I'm just voicing my opinion and I'm still saying even with the likes of Ndidi and Ighalo this Nigerian team is pretty average.SA was also missing the likes of Zungu, Phiri, Dolly etc. just face it' the glory days are long gone

daveP:
The League themselves rated this young man pls stop this??


When last did they Epl even rate a young Nigerian in the Epl playing from scratch? Even Uzoho wasn't rated, yet this Samuel was, alongside a few others that I think you need to see their stats before castigating Samuel. Pls these parameters you're bringing are irrelevant to this study we are looking at. Withdraw them!!!

I am disappointed l expected you to be more substantive in your approach.

Please show one post not two where I have CASTIGATED Chukwueze that's all.

To date I haven't given an opinion only asked the question as to the accolades being heaped on him.

komekn:


You usually have more depth than this.

I know you haven't read my earlier posts that's why you ask the question. If you had, you would not.

Ohhhh, just answer my question. I asked a question and I need answers from you!!


This is not about depth or width or height.

Godwin Enakhena himself has been low on sme analysis, doesn't mean that makes him a bad analyst pls.


Give me answers. Why is samuel's debut the very one you use to rate him? why?

Now the LA liga themselves rated this guy high, are you agreeing with them or you're disagreeing? If you're seeing something I'm not seeing, that's exactly what I want know pls. Don't blow it out further.

komekn:


I am disappointed l expected you to be more substantive in your approach.

Please show one post not two where I have CASTIGATED Chukwueze that's all.

To date I haven't given an opinion only asked the question as to the accolades being heaped on him.

Me not seeing you heaping the same accolades the LA liga is heaping on him is qualified to be termed castigating. Rem this is you Vs LA liga and not you versus anyone of us here that are all a bunch of nobodys, but just love the game.


Your words Vs LA liga's


Pls pour your proof pls. simple. it's not hard Komekn.

komekn:


I think what we have is a dramatic difference of approach with regards to how you conclude on what you call Outstanding Talent and what I call it.

I have seen too many players show promise, l have seen players bought for a £1 million pounds played some first team games. Within 3/4 years they are playing non league.

I do not put those accolades on a player lightly. It has to be proven established not just potential. Over time and on the field of play consistent and continous.

Read my first comment again and tell me what words I used in describing him. If i remember correctly my words were 'remarkable prospect', no?

Also are you insinuating that a player be described as 'proven established' and at the same time be described as 'potential'? Is it not one or the other?

You seem confused. Please explain again.

I too have seen many players too sign for millions of pounds and drop to the lower leagues in a few years. And i reckon i have been to more games in all the leagues than many many people perhaps including yourself so I can chip in with my judgement on any young player after a couple of games and wont be far off the mark.

komekn:


Just to bring some context and prevent us going down the over hype route again.

Does anybody know how many games this Wonder Kid has played for the first team at Villareal❓❓

What makes him so wonderful in the context of world football not local.

Your response to Pavarotti's post started all this.


He wasn't overhyped, all through this argument, we referred to him as a potential hottest rave, next Robben, but we didn't hail him as Messi, Ronaldo or Hazard.


You are wondering why the attention is on him. and that's why I'm tackling you hard cos he didn't grow a tree in one day. He is a potential. The question of if the potential will be converted to better things is not busy to decide. We don't have the calculator for that. This kid needs be watched by you.

I'm more than disappointed that you're Tryna question the hottest around this young man that is rated now by the league.

And because of standards, to avoid bias, I asked you to equally apply the same to the other 9guys he was rated alongside with. That is all I need you to do. I'm not hyping the guy.

andrew444:


Percy tau is good ,Brighton had to get him from the South Africa league ,work permit made them send him out on loan

Percy tau is the only South Africa player that will make eagles bench

and yet the unimpressive Iheanacho is good enough to start? you really got jokes

komekn:


I haven't made any deductions however those who are Superdelusuional can't see that.

To reiterate I said in the Glasgow Rangers game he simply was not impressive. I didn't say he was not any good.

I then asked the legitimate fair question following, other deductions made by other contributors what makes him a HUGE SUPER TALENT❓ in Europe. To date nobody has answered the question.

But the tag Hater, has been implied.

He can't be impressive cos he came on at a time his team needed more players behind the ball to defend the score from going otherwise. He was on defensive mode on his debut for 11mins.... That's why I love Iwobi, he knows when to be a positional player and a team player. That's exactly what Sam did against Rangers.

That is why I said the '93 Eaglets formed part of the '96 Eagles. I never mentioned 1994. The 93 Eaglets contributed to our Olympic triumph and were on course for African triumph in 1996 but you know what happened.
They were supposed to continue in such glory in 1998 but the hiding we received from Denmark plunged us into a dark era and since then till 2013 we remained in such darkness till we saw a glimpse of the light before the light disappeared again after 2013-2014.


And yes naa... In the 2000s we saw a great assemblage of talents but we all know that story. How they all became Nearly men. We cannot even call the 2013 class that conquered Africa another Golden Generation. Bcoz they didn't have some longevity. Opportunity and Time played a role in our historic triumph in 2013... More like justice served for our absence at Afcon 1996 in same South Africa.

In finality, I believe the rising and young current generation can rise to become the second coming of Nigeria's Golden Generation despite the failures of the 2000s class... because I have seen something and felt something..... Something different from what I felt and saw in the 2000s era. Only time will reveal it all.

Icon4s:


I said what ever u saw in the 2013 Eaglets I saw that too in the 1993 Class. There could also be other things the 1993 had that the 2013 Eaglets never had. That 1993 Eaglets Class was supposed to be the dawn of New Golden Era. But that never happened which was why I said I have been expecting that ''New Dawn" since 1998 cos France 98 could have been the beginning of a New Golden Generation. None of the 1993 Eaglets team was part of the 1994 WC including the build ups to it. Babayaro taking over from Iroha, Mubi taking over from Eguavoen, and Kanu, Oruma and Ojigwe also progressing to the Super Eagles was supposed to be the transition to usher in the New era as even Oliseh, Okocha, Amuneke, Taribo, Babangida, Ikpeba and Amokachi were still young then. But we kept on trying to rebuild for '' Tomorrow''. We keep trying and trying and 20 years has gone and we are still trying to rebuild.

I sincerely hope this crop of Eagles will emerge as another Golden Generation but I am yet to see the indications cos I have seen better assemblage of SE even after the First Golden Generation.

Icon4s:


Can you compare this main core with the Old main core that Westerhorf inherited from the 1980s?: Keshi, Okechukwu, Iroha and Eguavoen (which was our regular back 4) then Eziugo, Siasia, Yekini, not forgetting Peter Rufai, . Come to even think of the then post 80 inclusions in: Amokachi, Nwannu, Oliha, Finidi, Amuneke, Oliseh and Okocha. It is largely unfair to make comparisons between Westerhof's and Rohr's Teams. When Westrehof went to Zimbabwe how did he perform? Our U23 team even trashed his team 4-0 in Lagos.

And to my night. Not particularly pleasant as our Girls disgraced us. I woke up this morning and the memory of that lose just spoilt my mood.

I cannot even start to understand why the NFF sacked a good coach for another white.....let me not complete it. Why change something that is working? I started the match but then went to sleep at half time, it was that bad and the weather no even help matter that evening . If he fails to take us to the WC I think he should be sacked there and then, in fact even if he qualifies us for the WC he should still be sacked now that we have enough time to get a new coach....that is assuming his team does not improve

wayodude:


You do realise when one is credited as building a team it does not mean he 'discovered' all the players in the team right?

So what does it mean? The only other definition that comes to my mind is that he is building the team's philosophy then I will ask, do we have any philosophy now? So if the 'building' isn't exactly in terms of discovering new and better players then what is it about? Definitely not our football pattern

Mickael2:


So what does it mean? The only other definition that comes to my mind is that he is building the team's philosophy then I will ask, do we have any philosophy now? So if the 'building' isn't exactly in terms of discovering new and better players then what is it about? Definitely not our football pattern

Lets take the investigation in this direction...Since Rohr was appointed and played his first match in Sept 2016 (2yrs and 2 months ago)...

How many players has Rohr capped and what is the average age of these players?
Of the players he has capped or is about to cap, how many do we see as genuine long term national team players?
Is it not getting more obvious his philosophy is centered around fast counter attacking football rather than possession based football? With each game this is clearer and clearer to the trained eye, though i agree it may not be pretty viewing.

Our transition from defense to attack is improving all the time see our first goal at home against Cameroon, the goals at home against Algeria, against Iceland in the WC even against SA over the weekend. When teams sit back and dont attack meaning we need to unlock a packed defence his philosophy unravels and he doesnt come up with a plan B, we come here and shout we need a good Attacking Midfielder and Rohr cannot read games etc etc....some of which i agree with.

Remember a former legendary coach (of course he wasnt called a legendary coach then) who capped 28 yr old Muhammed Gambo of Kano Pillars and took him to the Confederations cup? He also capped near retiree and prodigal son Shola Ameobi and took him to the World Cup. This is the situation we used to have, dont forget.

IronGalaxy:
and yet the unimpressive Iheanacho is good enough to start? you really got jokes

Who is this one? What are you saying? Say ihenacho collect your wife or your girlfriend? If iheanacho start is it my business or the coach business?

Did i mention iheanacho here? Is percy tau better than onyekuru and success who is on the bench? is it not the percy tau that was loaned to division 2 in belgium,you think any naija player will go on loan from brighton to division 2?

Abeg go sleep seems your brain no dey function well,for your dream na iheanacho you dey see...... MONKEY BANANA

komekn:


Go back watch the Glasgow game and then comment. You want an argument when thier is nothing to argue about.

I watched the game from beginning to end live.

You really should not use sarcastic assumption to convey your arguments. I gave an opinion strictly on that match no other match.

So should I then say he played like Mbappe and Nyemar to satisfy the need for over hyping a player that so many people ascribe to here.

Not too long ago we had the same heated discussion about Sadiq Umar. I gave my opinion based on the few games l had watched him play.

However, with regards to Chukwueze l haven't proffered any opinion just yet, way too early at this time. What I have done is to question the basis for all these accolades, HUGE TALENT, etc. Without any prejudice.

But once again the emotive and unbalanced negative sentiment as well as vitriolic rhetoric directed my way tells us how delusional some people are here.

All because l asked a question ❓ it's great COMEDY LOL.

See the problem here. You are hanging on to this particular match against Glasgow rangers, that is all you have against him, but out of 6 games he has had at least four good games, that means he has been consistently good. See, those that are saying he is good after watching him play well in four games out of 6 are perfectly correct as opposed to you, leave this matter at least till the end of the season then you can come back and conclude. Besides I remember you once said a certain player needed a season to get used to the physicality of the Championship, but Samu has gotten used to the technicality of the Spanish League in less than a season

TheSuperNerd:
I picked up on just "lowly rated" you know why?

When clamoring for Ovie Ejaria who I also rate actually, Komekn would never use "lowly rated" to describe the team, Rangers of Scotland. He will even say better to be a king at a small club making progress rather than being a mouse warming the bench in a big club abi.... (This even applies to his beloved Solanke but he never uses such on the lad who is the certified waste-basket of this era as he only keeps scoring age grade goals and not measuring up at senior level... He is being left out at Liverpool constantly and cannot even do what Nacho did at Man City and what Chukwueze is doing at a top Spanish side like Villarreal).


But right now, for the sake of his attempt to talk down on Chukwueze, he introduces the term "lowly rated" to tag Glasgow Rangers.
But Rangers will no longer be lowly rated oooo when he speaks of Ovie Ejaria as an option for us. I like Ovie but I hate, scoff at and spit upon the shambolic double standards of that master clown called Komekn. It is mega-stinky!!! Yuck!!!

He is the biggest hypocrite on this thread