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Name Your Favorite Heretic by budaatum: 3:39pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
tintingz:Educate us please, name your favorite heretic. Here's mine. Giordano Bruno born1548, tried for heresy by the Roman Inquisition and burnt at the stake in Rome's Campo be' Fiori on 17 February 1600. Charges made against Bruno by the Roman Inquisition were: holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith and speaking against it and its ministers; holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith about the Trinity, divinity of Christ, and Incarnation; holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith pertaining to Jesus as Christ; holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith regarding the virginity of Mary, mother of Jesus; holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith about both Transubstantiation and Mass; claiming the existence of a plurality of worlds and their eternity; believing in metempsychosis and in the transmigration of the human soul into brutes; dealing in magics and divination. Do not worry about links, I'll do them if you don't. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by tintingz(m): 4:22pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
budaatum:I don't have favorite tho. Isaac Newton although a Christian but was described as a heretic. Although born into an Anglican family, by his thirties Newton held a Christian faith that, had it been made public, would not have been considered orthodox by mainstream Christianity; in recent times he has been described as a heretic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Isaac_Newton 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by tintingz(m): 4:48pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Abu al-Hasan Ahmad ibn Yahya ibn Ishaq al-Rawandi (Arabic: أبو الحسن أحمد بن يحيى بن إسحاق الراوندي), commonly known as Ibn al-Rawandi (Arabic: ابن الراوندي; 827–911 CE[1]), was an early skeptic of Islam and a critic of religion in general. In his early days, he was a Mu'tazilite scholar, but after rejecting the Mu'tazilite doctrine, he became a freethinker who repudiated Islam and revealed religion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Rawandi 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by budaatum: 5:01pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
tintingz:Proper heretic! Some would stone him even today! |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by LordReed(m): 5:16pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Hmmm, not really a heretic but as a speculated homosexual (he never married) who was close to the Catholic Church, I enter Leonardo da Vinci as my candidate. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by tintingz(m): 5:18pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
budaatum:Yes! Abdullah al-Qasemi (1907 – 9 January 1996) (Arabic: عبدالله القصيمي) was a Saudi Arabian 20th-century writer and intellectual. He is one of the most controversial intellectuals in the Arab world because of his radical change from defending Salafism to defending atheism and rejecting organized religion. He questioned the existence of God and criticised religions, which resulted in the allegations of him becoming an atheist, therefore his books were banned all over the Arab world. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_al-Qasemi 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by vaxx: 5:27pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Mine will be in other way. (I.e) opposite of the topic, Moses Hess - is a philosopher that first influenced Karl Marx in his criticism of religion, but who later tried to combine the pantheism of Baruch Spinoza with Hegelianism and one former Mexico president name "" plutarco"" and ""Anthony flew"" another clever philosopher. |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by budaatum: 5:27pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
tintingz:"Men find their religions as they find their homelands, their lands, their homes and their fathers. They just find them, they do not search for them, do not understand them, do not choose them either." |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by budaatum: 5:33pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
vaxx:Why do you consider him a heretic, vaxx? |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by vaxx: 5:37pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
budaatum:i am speaking in opposite of your topic, these are staunch atheist who later by logic and reasons come back to faith belief system. 1 Like |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by budaatum: 5:39pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
vaxx:Got you. Thanks. |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by HappyPagan: 6:18pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
budaatum:Lol. |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by tintingz(m): 7:04pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
budaatum:A great quote by him. 1 Like |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by Ubenedictus(m): 8:44pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
budaatum: why is he your favourite? |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by Ubenedictus(m): 8:59pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
LordReed:I believe DA Vinci shouldn't even be mentioned here, he died a Catholic in good standing, he wasn't found guilty of heresy and I believe he is buried in a Catholic chapel somewhere |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by Ubenedictus(m): 9:29pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
budaatum: character wise, my favorite heretic will be Luther, intellectually speaking, my favorite heretic will be Calvin. Luther was pretty much the feisty fiery type of human being, happy to smile and be Christian this minute and then insult and bite off your head the next. he produced probably the best thoughts Protestantism has to offer but also produced probably the best antisemitic works ever and had long speeches filled with bile, to his credit he was a man of great convictions, he created his entire theology simply because he felt unworthy before God, and the moment he felt better he was ready to stand before everyone and defend what he believed, this individualism and assurance of rightness is probably the reason we have so many different Protestant sects, the different Protestant arms came together to discuss the Eucharist and it didn't take long before both side accuse the other of been damned heretics. Calvin on the other hand was a lawyer with a big brain, he made sure to push every thought he had to it extreme, heck who before him was mad enough to build entire theology upon God's predestination? both were condemned by the council of Trent, etc 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by LordReed(m): 9:32pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Never said he was a heretic. I said he was probably a homosexual and if he was operating right under the nose of the church then he was practically defying the church right under their nose. 2 Likes |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by budaatum: 10:47pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Ubenedictus:He had profound ideas for his time, opened up a new way of looking at things, was stubborn enough to stick to his ground and he's the one I've read about the most. He has a huge influence on me. |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by budaatum: 10:53pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Ubenedictus:Newton, whom I'm certain will at some point be mentioned, was buried in Westminster Abbey on 28th March 1727. Vaxx already extended heretic to include an almost saint, so we're going to have to accept just about any 'heretic' now. |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by budaatum: 10:58pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Ubenedictus:Martin Luther, O.S.A. 10 November 1483 – 18 February 1546) John Calvin born Jehan Chauvin; 10 July 1509 – 27 May 1564 |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by budaatum: 11:01pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
LordReed:Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci 15 April 1452 – 2 May 1519 |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by LordReed(m): 11:24pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
budaatum: A long quote follows, shows good ol' Leo was nobody's fool not even the Church. “When the followers and reciters of the works of others are compared to those who are inventors and interpreters between Nature and man, it is as though they are non-existent mirror images of some original. Given that it is only by chance that we are invested with the human form, I might think of them as being a herd of animals.” “Those who try to censor knowledge do harm to both knowledge and love, because love is the offspring of knowledge, and the passion of love grows in proportion to the certainty of knowledge. The more we know about nature, the more we can be certain of what we know, and so the more love we can feel for nature as a whole.” “Of what use are those who try to restrict what we know to only those things that are easy to comprehend, often because they themselves are not inclined to learn more about a particular subject, like the subject of the human body.” “And yet they want to comprehend the mind of God, talking about it as though they had already dissected it into parts. Still, they remain unaware of their own bodies, of the realities of their surroundings, and even unaware of their own stupidity.” “Along with the scholars, they despise the mathematical sciences, which are the only true sources of information about those things which they claim to know so much about. Instead, they talk about miracles and write about things that nobody could ever know, things that cannot be proven by any evidence in nature.” “It seems to me that all studies are vain and full of errors unless they are based on experience and can be tested by experiment, in other words, they can be demonstrated to our senses. For if we are doubtful of what our senses perceive then how much more doubtful should we be of things that our senses cannot perceive, like the nature of God and the soul and other such things over which there are endless disputes and controversies.” “Wherever there is no true science and no certainty of knowledge, there will be conflicting speculations and quarrels. However, whenever things are proven by scientific demonstration and known for certain, then all quarreling will cease. And if controversy should ever arise again, then our first conclusions must have been questionable.” 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by budaatum: 11:35pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
LordReed:Words of a proper heretic. He must have managed to remain under the radar of the heretic hunters to have achieved so much! 1 Like |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by budaatum: 3:33pm On Nov 23, 2018 |
Jesus (c. 4 BC – c. AD 30 / 33), also referred to as Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus Christ, was a first-century Jewish preacher and religious leader. He is the central figure of Christianity. Most Christians believe he is the incarnation of God the Son and the awaited Messiah (Christ) prophesied in the Old Testament. He was arrested and tried by the Jewish authorities, turned over to the Roman government, and was subsequently crucified on the order of Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect. I love the way he is said to have stood up to the religious people of his day telling them their understanding was wrong and that they did not temper the word with its spirit to steal from the poor. Then the poor yelled, "Cricify him!" Irony, you'd think. Now he's their saviour, and I stick my neck out and say they still crucify him! Jesus is my favorite favorite heretic. The greatest atheist too. |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by MuttleyLaff: 6:11pm On Nov 23, 2018 |
budaatum:Yimu |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by Martinez19(m): 6:18pm On Nov 23, 2018 |
budaatum:.
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Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by Aizenosa(m): 11:44pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
budaatum: I knew you will not disappoint. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by Ubenedictus(m): 11:14am On Dec 19, 2018 |
budaatum:his ideas were not that new. Bruno was a disciple of cardinal Nicholas of cusa, his interesting ideas were actually borrowed from the cardinal who had an uncanny intuitive mind that made him believe stuff that would take centuries before science could prove. Despite bishop Nicholas unorthodox ideas about the world he was elevated to cardinal and had no problem teaching what he believed... It was like corpernicius and Galileo, while the former actually had a good response to his theory and was supported by the Pope the latter who adopted the theory ran into trouble. Nicholas had the scientific ideas I was loved but Bruno had some other religious ideas that led to his condemnation |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by Ubenedictus(m): 11:20am On Dec 19, 2018 |
LordReed:defying the church ke, it is pretty hard to prove anyone is a homosexual, unless you meet him in the act. There was nothing for him to be accused of. A lot of people at that time could be unmarried, one can't just imagine that each one is a homosexual |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by LordReed(m): 11:27am On Dec 19, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: He and 3 others were once charged with sodomy. It might be hard to prove but the speculation has roots in actual evidence. Besides even just a cursory reading of the quote of his I post would show that he did not elevate religion above science. |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by Ubenedictus(m): 11:30am On Dec 19, 2018 |
budaatum:not really... Those sentiment are not heretic, similar words were spoken by Bonaventure, he is actually a saint... A lot of Catholics today will say same it has no hint of heresy in it. Catholicism believe in faith and reason hence the church was the owner of much of the universities and was the sponsor for most scientist in Europe... We move from what is known (proven science) to what is less known.... Those sentiment won't put anyone in trouble with heretic hunters |
Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by Ubenedictus(m): 11:42am On Dec 19, 2018 |
LordReed:charge but not convicted as I said, it is very hard to input sodomy on people unless they accept to been homosexual or they are caught in the act. The church doesn't place science in opposition to religion, truth is truth whether scientific truth or religious truth they are truths. One by experiment the other by revelation, each is truth in its own right. Truth is truth not opposed to itself. Catholics are not protestants as regards attitude to science, it's Fidel ET ratio not Fidel contra ratio. |
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