I lost count of the goals seriously

mank1234:

7:1

We have the players. But we need to play better as a team. Keep it simple.

Icon4s:

Our Falcons can beat them, forget.

Icon4s:

Our Falcons can beat them, forget.

The one in this tournament may not. Forget the 4 goals today, they are poor.

mank1234:


The one in this tournament may not. Forget the 4 goals today, they are poor.

Yea u re correct,d 1st 40minutes I watched was poor,no pattern, nothing, just dey play police ball,was forced to switch it to anoda channel,I believe dis players were better off under dt former coach dan dis white man, me I no c any input wey dt man give falcons

mank1234:


The one in this tournament may not. Forget the 4 goals today, they are poor.

Could have been 11-0

Small diversion guys concerning the Falcons.

Does anyone know how the under listed factors will be ranked assuming we have 3 teams with 6points in our group?

A.goals for
B.goals against
C.goals difference
D.head to head

Angola's head to head advantage over the super eagles is still a nightmare for me to date.

Thanks

Mickael2:


Fulham actually play open football, a striker should naturally have a good day in that team. Is he an outstanding talent? IMO, not by any stretch of the imagination,but is he a huge talent? Probably. At 0-0 I watched him miss a sitter after getting the beating of the expensive Van Dijk, his decision making is still faulty. It was that miss that brought my attention back to him because I remember you in particular said something about him being the best youngster in world football(in your opinion of course and that is perfectly fine), for the rest of the game he was average at best and for a former fullback like Bale, the defensive part of his game was suspect. Of course I deducted all these from the match I watched live in the stadium(but that is just ONE game) but because you have been watching him since he was 16, you have come to his defense and knowing fully well that you have a lot more knowledge than I do I think I have to believe that you saw something special in all of his matches that you have watched.

Now let us come to Samu's case, you have watched just one match, a 10 minute cameo nonetheless(similar to the the number of times I have watched Sessegnon) and you formed an opinion that he isn't so good, meanwhile Guillem(the primary Spanish pundit for Skysports if you watch LA Liga) who has probably watched all his games(a similar case to you and Sessegnon now) is telling you that he is a huge talent, do we still need to watch him over and over again to believe him? If you want me to believe that Sessegnon is an outstanding talent just because you said so and not because of his match that I watched then I think it is only fair that you also believe Guillem's assertions because he said so and forget that cameo he had on that day.

Firstly, Chukwueze is not the central issue here, but the never ending allegations from presumption, conclusions from assumption and conjecture to make deduction. But they are birthed at least here from self perception. Nobody knows the hearts construction and only God knows the heart of a man.

I often use longer descriptive words and repeatative differing diction, to make matters clear and unambiguous.

I find in my engagements a need to pay attention to detail, not rely on assumption and enshrine clarity otherwise I will have contention. But it seems people read what's in thier mind and not what's written.

I am disappointed with you. Because most times you are objective and substantive in your approach.

I have said maybe twenty times. I have not formed any opinion on Chukwueze. Once again l watched one match and IMO he was not impressive. That's not my sum total of him as a player. I have read his statistics, he has played two games in La Liga with a number of cup games with two goals so far. IMO it's way too early to make projections as to being HUGE TALENT. Otherwise my opinion is that he has a GREAT ATTITUDE is Diligent and disciplined and has very good potential and exceptional talent.

But please look at the bolded, when did I form an all encompassing opinion based on one game ❓ ❓ that in my view would be silly.

I do not hinge my opinion on another person opinion l may consider it but will not under pin my opinion. Because so so said so. I'm sorry that's not me.

I talk to a lot of people in football high and low and they all have different opinions on the same thing.

I gave you an assessment framework using Ssegnon as an example. The boy had played near 100 professional games and he is only 18 and he has been consistently outstanding with top notch MOTM performances. This is his third season of competitive first team football but now in EPL.

Add to that possibly first time in the history of the PFA a Championship players was voted Best young player of the season. The accolades are too numerous to mention first player born in the 2000' s to score in the EPL. This 18 year old is now essentially a seasoned professional. I mean his goal tally and assists last season were phenomenal for a LB. Statistically speaking he was the best, it's not an opinion but a matter of fact.

You are asking me to compare him to Chukwueze who has just started playing first team football. Do you really think that's a fair and balanced approach. How do you compare them. If you wanted to measures and be objective and tried to implement a balance score card assessment it would fail as incomparable.

Guillem is a person I don't rate his opinion as substantive fact or having overriding weight. I have watched Gary Neville make many howlers and get it very wrong many times. All pundits have knowledge but they are not the final word.

Have you noticed l hardly ever refer to pundits to underpin my view. What you may not know is that some of my views come from Managers, coaches and agents, etc.

Once again the issue is not necessarily Chukwueze bit how we make a deduction that a player has outstanding exceptional ability, potential and talent.

I possibly use the term sparingly and many use it anytime a players does a rainbow flick in a match or plays a first team game.

Finally, l go to Anfield quite often but not as often as l could do. So next time your going, watch out l could be sitting next to you. Lol

raindodger13:
That Ordega is hot on and off the pitch.

your meme though, making you picture you like a pervert.

No slap me now, na joke o!

cc12:
Sorry for adding the word "said" but I meant you don't rate Chukwueze at all

Once again conjecture and self birthed assumption.

Please where and when have I said that. Or how else did you come to that conclusion, did you read my mind

Icon4s:
Nairaland Nigerian players awards, 2018.

Good evening house, now that we have seen all the matches for this year it is time to roll out nominees for various award categories.

Once again here are the elected nomination committee members: Tbaba1234, Icon4s, Forgiveness, Komekn, TheSuperNerd, Chriskels and Joebie.

Please house note that the discussions on the selection process would be strictly amongst these 7 monikers.

First off Committee members, do we discuss on this thread or create a separate thread for the selection process?
Let's get this sorted out first then we commence the players selection process.

Committee members we need your quick responses.

Cc: Semid4lyfe, honeric01.

ChrisKels, Tbaba1234 and Komekn we await your responses on this.

AIG07:
Rohr does not rate Henry as we do here.

Our attack is ok for now. Ighalo, Success, Iheanacho Osimhen in that order can serve us for now.
We are also spoilt with options too on the flanks. Musa, Simon Moses, Kalu, Henry, Chukwueze in that order too.

Our defense is okay for now. I don't see us having a problem if they are all fit. Balogun, Ekong, Omuero, Awaziem, Ajayi, Ebuehi, Collins, Aina, Idowu. We are well covered here too.

Areas that need urgent fixing are
GOALKEEPING DEPARTMENT.
A young 3rd choice Goalkeeper is needed. Shouldn't be older than 24years.

MIDFIELD DEPARTMENT.
We need to recruit solid midfielders to be a backup to these guys. (Suggestions in the bracket)
Iwobi(Eze)
Ndidi(Philip Billing)
Mikel(will be hard to replace - Rohr and his scouts should widen their net)
Ogu-desent but aged
Etebo-epileptic player(today he is good, tomorrow he is a passenger)

The following players should either sit up or be excused from the team.
Iheanacho
Etebo
Idowu

Excusing them might do them a lot of good as they will see more reasons to sit up. Pampering them by handing them callups based on ancient time performance will not bring the best out of them.

It is so sad that these guys see the national team as their birthright. This will not only affect their international football output but it will turn them to lazy players at their respective clubs too. Imagine Rohr dropping Nacho. That boy will do anything possible to find his mojo back so as not to miss AFCON 19.

But Baba Rohr no de reason like that. He is a loyalist. Idowu's goal and performance against Argentina last year November is still the reason he is invited.

The National team should be competitive in all areas and no player should be indispensable. The 3named players have been given enough time and repetitive chances to redeem themselves but they have failed to do the needful and they don't seem worried.

We really should have some benchmark for standards.

Look at the SE of the past you aways had Proven, Tested and High quality Strikers who were reverred if not feared across Europe.

Yakubu, Yekini, Ikpeba, Aghahowa, Odemwingie, Obagoal, Uche Kalu, etc, etc

The major difference is that these players didn't get access to the SE on account of U17 & U20 past glories. Or familiarity with the powers that be in the NFF. But entirely on thier exploits in the top leagues of Europe.

Our striking department is VERY WEAK none of our strikers are top strikers to be reckoned with. Apart from Ighalo there is no outstanding quality.

African football is regressing it seems.

junnyjake:


Akpoguma is not special.

We've got Omeruo, Awaziem and Ajayi as backups, that's enough for now.

I look at players over a period for consistency and upwards progression.

In this regard I don't understand the obsession with Akpoguma. He is ok probably but if we are looking at moving our football to a higher level then Ajayi, Omeruo and Awaziem are not on an upward progression for top quality.

They need to do more.

Icon4s:
Nairaland Nigerian players awards, 2018.

Good evening house, now that we have seen all the matches for this year it is time to roll out nominees for various award categories.

Once again here are the elected nomination committee members: Tbaba1234, Icon4s, Forgiveness, Komekn, TheSuperNerd, Chriskels and Joebie.

Please house note that the discussions on the selection process would be strictly amongst these 7 monikers.

First off Committee members, do we discuss on this thread or create a separate thread for the selection process?
Let's get this sorted out first then we commence the players selection process.

Committee members we need your quick responses.

Cc: Semid4lyfe, honeric01.

I think ot should be open and in the public view so emotive sentiment allegations will not detract from the final outcomes.

But there has to be some sort of assessment criteria framework that's objective and transparent.

komekn:


I look at players over a period for consistency and upwards progression.

In this regard I don't understand the obsession with Akpoguma. He is ok probably but if we are looking at moving our football to a higher level then Ajayi, Omeruo and Awaziem are not on an upward progression for top quality.

They need to do more.

Komekn, what do you want us to do now?

it's obvious we don't have all the Yobos, Keshi, Taiye Taiwo, Uche, Osaze, Yakubu, obagoal.

Who do you suggest to take the place of the entire team you desperately want overhauled.

tbaba1234:
Who is the fastest at their prime?

Ahmed Musa
Tijiani Babangida
Pius Ikedia
Ibrahim Babangida
Haruna Babangida
Finidi George

(Ibrahim and Haruna played mainly for the youth teams)

What about Juluis Aghahowa

tbaba1234:


This is my ranking

Ibrahim Babangida (at under 20, absolutely unplayable)
Pius Ikedia
Ahmed Musa
Tijiani Babangida
Finidi George
Haruna Babangida

I would disagree, his decision making very suspect heavily one footed and limited technical ability. Very fast a BIG LOUD YES.

IMO Finidi George stands head and shoulders above them all. He brings everything to the table.

Danielnino00:



Give it to Alhaji Musa abeg... The man has always been blessed with speed since he started playing football.. even on his bad day,his running with the ball is always spectacular... That ability is the sole reason I strongly believe that he is using his real age...You can't be in ur 30s and run like that...not even Cr7 is fast like that....
Musa might b d one to set a new appearance record for the SE....

Is that what you think

How old was Linford Christie at his peak.

How old is OBAGOAL.

komekn:


I would disagree, his decision making very suspect heavily one footed and limited technical ability. Very fast a BIG LOUD YES.

IMO Finidi George stands head and shoulders above them all. He brings everything to the table.

he said fastest and not best footballer

komekn:


I would disagree, his decision making very suspect heavily one footed and limited technical ability. Very fast a BIG LOUD YES.

IMO Finidi George stands head and shoulders above them all. He brings everything to the table.

I am not talking about anything else but pace..

komekn:

Is that what you think
How old was Linford Christie at his peak.
How old is OBAGOAL.

Most speedsters lose pace after 30 yes or no?

junnyjake:


Komekn, what do you want us to do now?

it's obvious we don't have all the Yobos, Keshi, Taiye Taiwo, Uche, Osaze, Yakubu, obagoal.

Who do you suggest to take the place of the entire team you desperately want overhauled.

Firstly, selection has to by merit and not past glories.

If a player is not performing in his club that's the end you will not make the cut. In our SE some players seem to have permanent residence status.

An example is Kayode when he was on Fire in Austria he was not given time of day.

Before Ajayi had played one game in the Championship Dominic Iorfa had played two seasons and was winning MOTM awards as a teenager for Wolves, was invited to the England first team to train. But was not invited and please forget all those stories in the press they are misrepresentation.

We now have Ebere Eze making waves once again what's happening,

Before anybody knew who Josh Maja was he was invited to train with the SE. Unjustified I still feel at the time.

The guy is now become hot property. We are wasting time and playing games. If we had a collection of Obagoal's and Yakubu's l could understand. We have an almost impotent strike force once again no urgency. It's possible we may loose him.

Ademola and Dele Alli both left League one straight too the EPL. Why, because they were the stand out consistent top class performaners in league and club.

See link below transfer rumours clubs queuing up to get him.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-city-tottenham-southampton-keeping-13385470

You have players who have been good quality consistent over a long period but largely ignored. Look at Samuel Adegbenro Rosenburg fc one of thier stand out players but he is not on the radar of the SE.

I am sure you can probably add to the long list, using a criteria of consistent outstanding top performances.

This situation of selective selection is causing more harm than good.

But instead we invite speculative potential yet to.be realised over proven tested ability and quality. e.g. Nwakali brothers, etc

Odunayaw:
Most speedsters lose pace after 30 yes or no?

But not all.

You can ask Arjen Robben l can add African physiological make up is different than Oyibo.

I remember watching Taribo West playing wing back for Partizan and burning teenage players on the wing. He was well over 30 and that was his official goo age.

tbaba1234:


I am not talking about anything else but pace..

In that case it's toss up between Aghahowa and Babangida.

My opinion is that over the 100 metres Aghahowa rules but Babangida will win the first 10-15 metres, His acceleration was just BLISTERING.

komekn:


But not all.

You can ask Arjen Robben l can add African physiological make up is different than Oyibo.

I remember watching Taribo West playing wing back for Partizan and burning teenage players on the wing. He was well over 30 and that was his official goo age.

"Most". Anything else is an exception to the rule

Meanwhile, these days Robben picks his race don't say it like he is the okada of yesteryears

Odunayaw:
Most speedsters lose pace after 30 yes or no?

Not for Africans, Oyibo yes

komekn:


In that case it's toss up between Aghahowa and Babangida.

My opinion is that over the 100 metres Aghahowa rules but Babangida will win the first 10-15 metres, His acceleration was just BLISTERING.

but how'd you know

komekn:

Not for Africans, Oyibo yes

Examples of these Africans

komekn:


I think ot should be open and in the public view so emotive sentiment allegations will not detract from the final outcomes.

But there has to be some sort of assessment criteria framework that's objective and transparent.

Can you translate sir summarize.

tbaba1234:
Who is the fastest at their prime?

Ahmed Musa
Tijiani Babangida
Pius Ikedia
Ibrahim Babangida
Haruna Babangida
Finidi George

(Ibrahim and Haruna played mainly for the youth teams)

Not forgetting also Emma Amuneke, Friday Elaho and Felix Aladesanmi.

junnyjake:

your meme though, making you picture you like a pervert.

No slap me now, na joke o!

No problem. Im a chill guy. Im only rugged when you're rugged with me.

Icon4s:
Nairaland Nigerian players awards, 2018.

Good evening house, now that we have seen all the matches for this year it is time to roll out nominees for various award categories.

Once again here are the elected nomination committee members: Tbaba1234, Icon4s, Forgiveness, Komekn, TheSuperNerd, Chriskels and Joebie.

Please house note that the discussions on the selection process would be strictly amongst these 7 monikers.

First off Committee members, do we discuss on this thread or create a separate thread for the selection process?
Let's get this sorted out first then we commence the players selection process.

Committee members we need your quick responses.

Cc: Semid4lyfe, honeric01.

A separate thread might be best but i am in support of what others in the group decide.

komekn:


Not for Africans, Oyibo yes

SMH, just so you can discredit the fact that Musa isn't up to 30 and might be using real age