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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ssaengine: 11:18am On Nov 23, 2018
Centrifude:


I hope the S.A Government and Military are watching closely because we might be facing a similar situation sooner than we think.

Chief of the SA Army has already spoken about the threat posed from Mozambique. So they know about it. I would reckon South African Special Forces have already made a couple reconnaissance visits to the area.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Litmus: 11:18am On Nov 23, 2018
darkelf:


The question remains;

Why did we loose even while we possess such tanks and armored vehicles?

Reports had it that the base commander got a letter from Boko-haram of their intentions to attack, yet no measures to forestall it?

Why is it so hard to rid the armed forces of Bokoharam apologists and other forms of saboteurs within its ranks?

Are our soldiers so untrained to the extent that we loose 77 in on fell swoop without making the insurgents pay badly?

What do they even teach our soldiers in Depot or the officers in NDA? Whatever the curriculum is, I fear its outdated.

Why has the COAS and the CAS not being queried? Especially the CAS. We hear that when soldiers call for airsurport when facing enemy fire, it arrives after one day. Are they serious at all?

Lastly and this may be jocular but why was I born into a country whose security apparatuses and military I cannot be proud off or depend on to secure lives and properties?

So many questions, so few answers


@ highlighted, this is why the word "Contingency" came to exist. If Nigeria military makes any at all, they need to add "How do we strategize to take into consideration the provision of logistics to Bokoharam by France and or other External powers as well as betrayals within our army and coalition members and nations.

If, so far, we left some things to chance because we couldn’t muster the effort to consider and act upon them or because of financial consideration, we cant do so any longer.

...also knock the belief in Opia from the rank n file, wont be surprised if somthing as simple as soliders fate in charms plays a part in much of our loses
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by numbered(m): 11:31am On Nov 23, 2018
bidex111:



Honestly the first person I'll blame for the looses for the past few months is Mr president. Being a former military man he should know better.

The army been the major punching force is not well funded and secondly if the army HQ are not doing there job well why not remove them and replace them.

Insanity is doing the same thing the way youve doing things and expecting a positive result.
The suggestions i wrote above can be done without spending much. Lives are being lost,we can't wait for the FG anymore.Measures have to be put in place to prevent this disaster from happening anymore.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:38am On Nov 23, 2018
bidex111:
According to https:///UFJEBCtEIK, #Egypt has signed a contract worth 64$ miilion to provide its armed forces with two squads (totally 32 drone) of the #Chinese-Made Wing Long-1D Advanced UAVs.

that $64 million figure is not correct, 32 wing long drones should be way above that value
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:43am On Nov 23, 2018
darkelf:


The question remains;

Why did we loose even while we possess such tanks and armored vehicles?

Reports had it that the base commander got a letter from Boko-haram of their intentions to attack, yet no measures to forestall it?

Why is it so hard to rid the armed forces of Bokoharam apologists and other forms of saboteurs within its ranks?

Are our soldiers so untrained to the extent that we loose 77 in on fell swoop without making the insurgents pay badly?

What do they even teach our soldiers in Depot or the officers in NDA? Whatever the curriculum is, I fear its outdated.

Why has the COAS and the CAS not being queried? Especially the CAS. We hear that when soldiers call for airsurport when facing enemy fire, it arrives after one day. Are they serious at all?

Lastly and this may be jocular but why was I born into a country whose security apparatuses and military I cannot be proud off or depend on to secure lives and properties?

So many questions, so few answers
It’s not everything you read on the internet that’s true, why would terrorist do that for Bleep sakes, it won’t hurt to apply logic and common sense every now and then.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:51am On Nov 23, 2018
bidex111:



Honestly the first person I'll blame for the looses for the past few months is Mr president. Being a former military man he should know better.

The army been the major punching force is not well funded and secondly if the army HQ are not doing there job well why not remove them and replace them.

Insanity is doing the same thing the way youve doing things and expecting a positive result.
Those Nigerian soldiers are utterly silly. It is not a funding problem.

Anyone who talks about funding being the cause of the disaster in Metele should be shot in the head.

Each Nigerian gun-truck carries a 12.7mm HMG as a basic weapon. They had at-least 2 Tanks and prior Intel about this attack.

It is a clear case of gross incompetence, Lousiness and indicipline.

How many times would new weapons be bought for those soldiers?

They are there voluntarily, not by force. They should do their job and stop fucking complaining and making excuses for incompetence all the time.

The COAS should have been fired by now.

The President is also very clueless about the security situation in the Northeast. Nothing has changed, nothing has improved.

The Nigerian army is properly funded to do the job it needs to do. You guys and Beegeagles need to stop ranting about funding.

Does BHT now have Tanks, APCs and Fighter jets?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by AlphaStyles(m): 11:51am On Nov 23, 2018
the way our military is getting their ass whooped by boko haram is really alarming
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:52am On Nov 23, 2018
jakeporeshenko:

It’s not everything you read on the internet that’s true, why would terrorist do that for Bleep sakes, it won’t hurt to apply logic and common sense every now and then.
Do you have any evidence to support that it is not true?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by AlphaStyles(m): 11:55am On Nov 23, 2018
Henry240:

Those Nigerian soldiers are utterly silly. It is not a funding problem.

Anyone who talks about funding being the cause of the disaster in Metele should be shot in the head.

Each Nigerian gun-truck carries a 12.7mm HMG as a basic weapon. They had at-least 2 Tanks and prior Intel about this attack.

It is a clear case of gross incompetence, Lousiness and indicipline.

How many times would new weapons be bought for those soldiers?

They are there voluntarily, not by force. They should do their job and stop fucking complaining and making excuses for incompetence all the time.

The COAS should have been fired by now.

The President is also very clueless about the security situation in the Northeast. Nothing has changed, nothing has improved.

The Nigerian army is properly funded to do the job it needs to do. You guys and Beegeagles need to stop ranting about funding.

Does BHT now have Tanks, APCs and Fighter jets?
u need slap

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:56am On Nov 23, 2018
The Nigerian Air Force only has changed 3 different types of weapons alone in 6 years. They bought Tavor-21, Beryl and Arsenal M1.

The service has received or placed orders for nearly 70 different types of aircrafts in the last 6 years.

What is happening with the Nigerian military, budget after budget, yet these Boko-Haram guys can sack you from your bases?

It's utter madness!

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:57am On Nov 23, 2018
AlphaStyles:
u need slap
I'm stating facts, not fiction.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by AlphaStyles(m): 12:00pm On Nov 23, 2018
Henry240: if the nigerian army is so funded and has the weapons and armour to deal with boko haram then why dont you go and join them in the north east to fight with them rather than making mouth here if you dont know sh*t shut tf up
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Kalapizim(m): 12:02pm On Nov 23, 2018
darkelf:


The question remains;

Why did we loose even while we possess such tanks and armored vehicles?

Reports had it that the base commander got a letter from Boko-haram of their intentions to attack, yet no measures to forestall it?

Why is it so hard to rid the armed forces of Bokoharam apologists and other forms of saboteurs within its ranks?

Are our soldiers so untrained to the extent that we loose 77 in on fell swoop without making the insurgents pay badly?

What do they even teach our soldiers in Depot or the officers in NDA? Whatever the curriculum is, I fear its outdated.

Why has the COAS and the CAS not being queried? Especially the CAS. We hear that when soldiers call for airsurport when facing enemy fire, it arrives after one day. Are they serious at all?

Lastly and this may be jocular but why was I born into a country whose security apparatuses and military I cannot be proud off or depend on to secure lives and properties?

So many questions, so few answers
i saw the video and IMO, that places looks like a holding position in a general area and not base.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 12:02pm On Nov 23, 2018
AlphaStyles:
Henry240: if the nigerian army is so funded and has the weapons and armour to deal with boko haram then why dont you go and join them in the north east to fight with them rather than making mouth here if you dont know sh*t shut tf up
I'm not going to go back and forth with you. You seem very poorly informed. Better you continue to wallow in your ignorance.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 12:06pm On Nov 23, 2018
Henry240:

Do you have any evidence to support that it is not true?
Yes I have my common sense, why will terrorist mail you their plan for the month? Isn’t that literally against their tactics of hit hard, unexpectedly and disappear before reinforcements and air support show up.

So how did BHTs contact NA senior officers ? Was it via WhatsApp or Nigerian postal services?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by AlphaStyles(m): 12:08pm On Nov 23, 2018
Henry240:
The Nigerian Air Force only has changed 3 different types of weapons alone in 6 years. They bought Tavor-21, Beryl and Arsenal M1.

The service has received or placed orders for nearly 70 different types of aircrafts in the last 6 years.

What is happening with the Nigerian military, budget after budget, yet these Boko-Haram guys can sack you from your bases?

It's utter madness!
Its like you dont know what is going on there what happened to the 1bn meant for arms? do you think its every time the airforce supports the army? my dad has been there and seen hell that even u cant withstand the heat and he brought back horrifying stories.the soldiers over there aint taken care of they hardly see money,they lack equipment,why do u think they always get out gunned by boko haram? pls if you dont know sh*t dont talk sh*t i live with the military i know how they row,the amount of mag they carry and chatted with soldiers that returned from NE
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 12:08pm On Nov 23, 2018
Kalapizim:
i saw the video and IMO, that places looks like a holding position in a general area and not base.
Gbam! I’ve Been repeating this for days, trooops gathering in a certain position waiting on order for deployment from high above doesn’t automatically turn that place into a “base”

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Kalapizim(m): 12:08pm On Nov 23, 2018
And majority of the KIA soldiers from the video were wearing tee shirts, and flip flops indicating they were relaxed. An helicopter (Augusta i think) cam around but was fired upon forcing it to leave.
I blame this ones on the solders there.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by AlphaStyles(m): 12:10pm On Nov 23, 2018
Henry240:

I'm not going to go back and forth with you. You seem very poorly informed. Better you continue to wallow in your ignorance.
people like u just love blabbing your mouth bkus you think it easy mtcheew you can never know how it feels till you are in the frontline and hearing gun shots,bomb sounds and watching soldiers scream in pain mtcheew
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Geronimoe: 12:12pm On Nov 23, 2018
darkelf:


It saddens me really.

I ain't against taking pics but with all these pics depicting nice weaponry, we still lost scores of soldiers in matele recently

It's a sad development for the NA. These base attcks and losses are becoming too frequent

We need a major overhaul of these COs and better support and morale boosting incentives for our fighting troops
"We need a major overhaul of these COs...". Don't worry too much, you don't even have to say it because that's all that they do,that's their only reaction to set backs like this. Even us that are not in uniform know how the army top echelon will react.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 12:13pm On Nov 23, 2018
jakeporeshenko:


Yes I have my common sense, why will terrorist mail you their plan for the month? Isn’t that literally against their tactics of hit hard, unexpectedly and disappear before reinforcements and air support show up.

So how did BHTs contact NA senior officers ? Was it via WhatsApp or Nigerian postal services?
BHT has successfully attacked the Nigerian army over the past 6 months, it's well within the realm of possibilities to taunt the Nigerian army. This is what terrorist elements are known for, taunt friendly forces through any means possible.

The Premium times report quoting a soldier on the ground confirms this. I have no reason to doubt the report.

The soldiers were poorly prepared as has been the case for the last 6 months and paid dearly for it.

What do they mean by driving through a barb wire mesh and getting stuck?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 12:16pm On Nov 23, 2018
AlphaStyles:
people like u just love blabbing your mouth bkus you think it easy mtcheew you can never know how it feels till you are in the frontline and hearing gun shots,bomb sounds and watching soldiers scream in pain mtcheew
That is why they are trained soldiers.

Are you saying the army bundled civilians from Lagos and Port-Harcourt, gave them guns and left them in the north east?

Is that what you're saying?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 12:18pm On Nov 23, 2018
Kalapizim:
And majority of the KIA soldiers from the video were wearing tee shirts, and flip flops indicating they were relaxed. An helicopter (Augusta i think) cam around but was fired upon forcing it to leave.
I blame this ones on the solders there.
This is just really sad.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by AlphaStyles(m): 12:24pm On Nov 23, 2018
Henry240:

That is why they are trained soldiers.

Are you saying the army bundled civilians from Lagos and Port-Harcourt, gave them guns and left them in the north east?

Is that what you're saying?
dont trained soldiers have emotions,dont trained soldiers have families? i have seen a lot of widows who lost their husbands to boko haram,i have been to army division and seen soldiers who have lost their legs,hands and cant even walk well bkus of bullet wounds with majority of them talking about lack of equipment and gear,even their allowance not been paid they suffer yet even without funding they strive to still fight yet people like you bash them I SWEAR YOU CAN NEVER KNOW HOW IT FEELS UNTIL YOU SEE THEIR SITUATION those that joined knew what they were doing they lay down the life to die in a well mannered way not to be wasted like animals

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by numbered(m): 12:33pm On Nov 23, 2018
Many on here are rightly blaming the FG for underfunding and under-equiping the NA. At the same time lets tell ourselves the truth this Govt. wont change thier policy towards the Army in the next one month.How many soldiers wont live to see the new year because of the FG. To those at the front improvise adapt you have families waiting for you back home.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by AlphaStyles(m): 12:44pm On Nov 23, 2018
numbered:
Many on here are rightly blaming the FG for underfunding and under-equiping the NA. At the same time lets tell ourselves the truth this Govt. wont change thier policy towards the Army in the next one month.How many soldiers wont live to see the new year because of the FG. To those at the front improvise adapt you have families waiting for you back home.
thats how one nairalander said that the army is funded and they have the equipment and its due to incompetence that the soldiers are showing thats why they are killed
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 1:01pm On Nov 23, 2018
bidex111:


Even the almighty CNN are very Google in inflating talk less of your AFP and punch etc.....
Boko Haram jihadists abducted around 50 loggers near the northeastern Nigerian town of Gamboru close to the border with Cameroon, civilian militia and residents told AFP Thursday.

The hostages who are mostly from a camp for people displaced by jihadist violence were on Saturday rounded up by fighters loyal to factional leader Abubakar Shekau while collecting wood at Bulakesa village, 25 kilometres (15 miles) from Gamboru in Borno state.

“The men were rounded up and taken away by Boko Haram insurgents and nothing has been heard from them,” militia leader Umar Kachalla said.





“Two of the loggers escaped and returned home and broke the news.

“We don’t have a precise number of those taken but usually the loggers move in a group of more than 50 men,” Kachalla said.

The loggers were encouraged to venture deep into the bush to collect firewood by a recent military operation that pushed the jihadists out of the area, another militia Shehu Mada said.

Last month troops dislodged the militants from the nearby town of Wulgo and surrounding areas following incessant attacks on loggers.

“The general assumption was that the insurgents had left the area only to suddenly appear and encircle the loggers,” Mada said.

Some of the loggers joined the team to collect metals from the shells of vehicles destroyed in the military offensive against the fighters, he said.

“We believe the number of the those abducted exceeds 50,” said Gamboru resident Babagana Musa.



The story was slow to emerge due to limited communications with Gamboru residents.

The area has for several years been without telecom facilities following the destruction of telecom masts in Boko Haram attacks, forcing residents to rely on Cameroon mobile phone networks.

Gamboru loggers have suffered repeated Boko Haram attacks and abductions especially around Wulgo forest which was a known Boko Haram hideout.

In April Boko Haram militants gunned down 18 loggers at the edge of Wulgo forest, 15 kilometres from Gamboru, while returning from collecting wood.

In January at least 31 loggers went missing and were believed to have been abducted by the jihadists near Wulgo, where 10 loggers were killed two weeks earlier.

https://punchng.com/boko-haram-kidnaps-50-loggers-in-borno/
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by darkelf: 1:04pm On Nov 23, 2018
jakeporeshenko:

It’s not everything you read on the internet that’s true, why would terrorist do that for Bleep sakes, it won’t hurt to apply logic and common sense every now and then.

While everyone has a right to air his/her opinion, I believe it should be done so with respect and courtesy.

I directed my statements at the government without the intention to insult anyone in particular.

I opined based on what I read in the news. If I am prone to error, then so are you except you are not human.

So please, lets try not to start hurling invective at one another. It doesn't serve any purpose

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by darkelf: 1:05pm On Nov 23, 2018
Kalapizim:
i saw the video and IMO, that places looks like a holding position in a general area and not base.

Ok bro. Could you please share the video if you still have it
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by darkelf: 1:09pm On Nov 23, 2018
Geronimoe:
"We need a major overhaul of these COs...". Don't worry too much, you don't even have to say it because that's all that they do,that's their only reaction to set backs like this. Even us that are not in uniform know how the army top echelon will react.

While an overhaul is not in itself a completely bad Idea, the new incoming CO must have demonstrated excellent leadership in battle in times past.

But sadly, I doubt we have them in abundance. If we do, then maybe they are very few

Overhauling COs is not in itself the only solution though as I pointed out earlier
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidex111: 1:35pm On Nov 23, 2018
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 1:44pm On Nov 23, 2018
This is the attacking force that killed so many Nigerian soldiers.

Yet ignorant people want to tell me it is not a competence issue?

The first stage of dealing with a problem is understanding and accepting your failure. Not pass blame around.

BHT with AK-47s and a gun truck mounted with a 12.7mm overran a Nigerian army base with Tanks and heavy armor.

I'm hearing reports that we lost 4 APCs and 2 Main Battle Tanks.

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