Hati13:

Haha, ppl were saying him resigning wasn’t true because he wasn’t there at the first place haha. He said there were 4 prime ministers during his reign. Poor Hailemariam.

TayserMahiri:


Sounds great to have a national one. Which city is hosting it this month? What do the beautiful ladies celebrate in Ashenda? And why not men celebrating could be Ethio men dont care too much about culture? Perhaps Hati13 should chip in and say why they dont celebrate culture. I have to say the young lady in the 2nd pic piqued my interest What a natural hottie

rvp2018:
You're obtuse. Nothing surprising. You're a Nigerian. Yes South Africa had schools & universities that produced the Zumas & Malemas. They had universities nobody outside South Africa had ever heard. Meanwhile whites had world class schools & universities like University of CapeTown & Witwatersrand churning world class thinkers like Tesl's Elon Musk or Mark Richard Shuttleworth or many Nobel laureates. That is more potent point - being literate - reading & writing is hardly something to sweat about it. You're literate but still as boneheaded as a rock. Where are black Elon Musk of South Africa. They need to fix that. It like African American being proud of their black community college nobody has ever heard of. Otherwise I have nothing but admiration for South Africa level of development.

Lionessza6:



That is because you don't know what the system was about or what it did , so when people point out it's legacy you will probably think it's " playing victim". Firstly educate yourself on what both systems did to family structures (which is the ultimate way of destroying any society), this never happened in any other countries to the level of SA and USA. Follow that up with institutionalised racism which is a rigid stain to clean up , this is in the education, health and financial sectors . These are part of the " inheritance ". With America it must be a nightmare because there is no political power nor will to change the legacy. The only thing they can do is to emulate their ancestors after the end of slavery ; form black owned businesses and support only them , they have a big population that can do lot of damage to white pockets . Contrary to the crap we have been made to believe , there were a lot of thriving black American communities that sustained themselves without welfare , but they were burned down during the Jim Crowe erra to make way for white owned businesses, and the blacks pushed to inner cities to provide cheap labour for white owned businesses ( exact same story with South Africa before and during apartheid). People lost their land(wealth and identity) , Cattle ( wealth ) ,etc. This lead to the current disfuntions in both societies , the only difference is that South Africa is reversing the legacy , but I don't see it ever changing in America unless they organise themselves and re- do what they did before. And i think they have that opportunity with Trump , he might have his own racial biases but I would trust a leader that discourages dependency to the likes of democrats who have made them cripples for decades ( same Mandela legacy we are transforming).

Jonraid:
Of course I've studied both histories,it's just that I think that the African American's case was more of an insidious nature than the black South African's case.However,as you have put it,it may be that I'm out of the reality because my people never underwent such a treatment hence in me underestimating apartheid.Goodluck in you people trying to correct things.I would not want to argue much about it because apartheid was never Kenya's history.Let's chill!

Jonraid:
Of course I've studied both histories,it's just that I think that the African American's case was more of an insidious nature than the black South African's case.However,as you have put it,it may be that I'm out of the reality because my people never underwent such a treatment hence in me underestimating apartheid.Goodluck in you people trying to correct things.I would not want to argue much about it because apartheid was never Kenya's history.Let's chill!

YAHREIGNS:

We had some form of it. They just left before most of us interacted with them. Unlike SA where they continued for 30 more years.

- Africans were not allowed in Nairobi except with a pass and not beyond Tom Mboya street except with a "broom"
- White Highlands versus "reserves"
- White Estates
- White schools,
- etc

I thought before independence black kenyans received the same quality education as their white counterparts?. Or am I missing something? Please school Me on this . I'm always open to learning new things .

Lionessza6:


I did not quote you because you suggested the African American situation was extreme, that should not even be an observation , any Tom and dick should readily know this. I quoted you because of what you were trying to suggest with the finger pointing line, you clearly needed education on what has lead the country to where it is. There was nothing to argue in the first place , you could have asked where you didn't understand or studied the subject a bit better before inserting yourself into it. Thanks and goodluck on being the biggest economy and the most developed African nation by 2030.

Lionessza6:

LOL@ universities no one knew about. Yes , no ignorant Kenyan knew about them , but some of the African countries that sent their children to these schools definitely knew about them. Zuma is a product of which university ?. Malema is actually a graduate of UNISA a university rated higher than many of your own , so if that was meant as some sort of jab , you only managed to shoot yourself on the foot. Yes , whites had quality universities and since you claimed you also received world class education before and after your independence, where the hell are your Shuttleworths, Musks and them? . We would expect you to be leading right after white South Africans with listing such people with all the quality you people are used to but NOPE! ...it's excuse after another . You know why we didnt produce such people ,what is your excuse ? . Just like you took over 50 years to have some quality basic education , South Africa too is fixing her own legacies , it's idiotic of you to imply otherwise .

By the way our original debate was on black South Africans being illiterate and none receiving any formal education before the 90s and 2000s . That is before you turned it to the quality debate , which I'm far from being convinced that until recent times you guys received any better .

Go through that link , I'm not running mouth , I'm educating you and providing proof not making assumptions and I would love to get the same from your side .


https://www.politicsweb.co.za/news-and-analysis/apartheid-and-the-universities

As for the last part , maybe I will get to throw that line in 2030 , for now all I'm seeing are things I take for granted in my daily life . Good luck though.

forgiveness:



Not so fast.


We have just done the retail sector and I have shown you many activities occurred in many cities.

Now, let us move to commercial space.

2. Commercial/office space market (Real Estate sector).

How can you conspicuously overlook the word 'recently over supply' term used to defined the activities previously done in the commercial space real estate both Lagos and Abuja, huh? So, you didn't see the over suplurs too? (Read snapshot 1).

Let us exam the market value of Nigeria's cities and Nairobi.

Lagos and Abuja is more expensive and profitable than Nairobi in the office/commercial aspect of the real estate. Bhuhahahaha! (see snapshot 2) you can also see the post above.

Lionessza6:

This was my post, notice the last bolded part

LMFAO, sweetheart check yourself before talking about who and what Chinese own in Africa grin. Zulus and their stupid whites are very far from being owned by China, you should check yourself on the list of countries that owe China and kindly check our position after grin. They build what here ?. Show me one single infrastructure built by chinkos in south Africa grin. Those thugs from chinises jails could never be allowed to build their fong kongs here , we prefer quality to quantity grin. Keep your Chinese trains to yourselves, we will continue building more trains ourselves . It's not our fault that your government chooses to empower foreigners instead of using your own companies and empowering your own young engineers , scientists and technicians grin. We would rather make blunders while trying than not even attempt anything .Made in south Africa by south Africans .........With a little help here and there with the Gau but 95% of the job proudly South African


As for empowering local companies , yes I applaud our government for that, with all the pressure from China for us to join the rest of Africa in letting them build us something we can do ourselves , they have stayed steadfast. Like ednited has been saying on this thread , africans should be focussing on the skills to build our own things than waiting for whites and Chinese to build and mantain our infrastructure. As for the mistakes made , well it comes with learning, but I'm proud to say the mistakes or should I say Fck- ups reported in the last 20 years were insignificant compared to the good jobs. The story of that lady in limpopo was all over the media because she failed!. Failed to listen to advice or do proper research , I mean who uses so much Chinese cheap material to build a bridge , even our poorest towns around the country don't go there . Her age (24) ,was also a cause for concern....when did she get all the experience?. The normal South African age to get your first degree is 22, so are they telling us in 2 years she was ready to take up such a responsibility ?. The truth will come out , but we all have our suspicions as to how and why that decision was made , it's a pity that the lives of our people had to be put at risk for that kaak . I'm all for learning as we go but not with such projects, bridges and tunnels should be left for people with real expertise, I'm sure there are plenty of women in that province that qualified to do the job if the tender was strictly for women owned companies. As for people getting more experience before being considered for such projects ....duh!! Isn't that what has been happening for the past two decades ? Or you think we all leave school and get tenders like this lady? . She was just " lucky" .

YAHREIGNS:

We had some form of it. They just left before most of us interacted with them. Unlike SA where they continued for 30 more years.

- Africans were not allowed in Nairobi except with a pass and not beyond Tom Mboya street except with a "broom"
- White Highlands versus "reserves"
- White Estates
- White schools,
- etc

ednited:
The difference of Ashenda and Shadey is very little. It is both celebrated by Northern Ethiopians

Here are pics of Ethiopian Artist shopping for Ashenda

The third pic- jewels for Ashenda
The last pic is Amhara lady celebrating shadey

It is one of the biggest tourist attraction in Ethiopia.

@TayserMahiri, they play their song and dance. I don't celebrate it and I've never been to places where it is celebrated. Tigrayans take it seriously, it would have been easy if we had had a Tigray here

rvp20183:
This is the classic straw man argument. You enact your straw man, attribute your own or other issues to me and the proceed to demolish them.

Now where have I ever claimed Kenyans have EVER received world class education. We know South Africa whites have long history of world class education systems. Kenya education system has never been world class but it's always has been one of the best in Sub-sahara Africa. I bet if you remove white component of South African education - Kenya education systems is definitely better than Black South Africa education system. Yes South Africa or even Niger or Uganda or Kenya had universities during colonial rule - and they had schools as early as 1900 - but it was mostly low quality education - while white kids whether in Kenya or South Africa or US - went to racially segregated world class schools.

Isn't that why you had BEE - recently - because of white stranglehold of economy and institutions - wasn't that to correct the same historical injustices we are talking about. Or well maybe the world was wrong when we thought Apertheid was raw deal for black south africans and you guys were actually attending world class universities.

Black South Africa of course always had schools and universities - we saw school riots of 80s - we know Mandela had a degree as way back as 1950s - but overally black south africa received a raw deal in education system. I am glad you're fixing it now.

rvp20183:
You didn't know about Kenya because your education system is insular. Most kenyans are very worldly and probably know more about South Africa or US than typical resident of those countries. I think you need to fix that - esp if South Africa is to get to the next level - you need to know more about Kenya - and other countries - and try to expand to those markets - because clearly you're already in a middle class trap and whatever stimulus you put - won't make South Africa crawl out of their economic malaise. Education system need reforms so you can learn about other countries.

Lionessza6:


Here we go again with the bouncing around . Your initial post implied black South Africans didn't recieve any type of education and therefore were illiterate before 94 . And you changed it and made it a black vs white South Africa subject , talk about reaching . It has been said over and over again even repeated by yourself , that white South Africans received way better education than any other Africans in Africa. Like you said all Africans received around the same quality of education , that is why even Ugandans and Zimbabweans came to South Africa during that time to study in those " unknown" universities , they were not sub standard compared to the African average as you foolishly implied .

Now that you have stopped dancing around , let's get to the subject I've been pointing you to; black kenyan vs black South African educated. I have removed the whites in south Africa, and the whites and Indians in Kenya, now give me something concrete not your opinion. I want the number of educated Kenyans before your independence and after. I have given you on that link the number of educated black South Africans before 94 and i can give yoh the number after 94 if you request it. With literacy , I think we have covered it, you rank lower than us . Being people who value facts and links a lot , I can post as many as you like and they all say the samething ; the zumas and malemas are ranked higher than the kenyettas .

Kenyanstar:
KENYA

Lionessza6:

Here we go again with the bouncing around . Your initial post implied black South Africans didn't recieve any type of education and therefore were illiterate before 94 . And you changed it and made it a black vs white South Africa subject , talk about reaching . It has been said over and over again even repeated by yourself , that white South Africans received way better education than any other Africans in Africa. Like you said all Africans received around the same quality of education , that is why even Ugandans and Zimbabweans came to South Africa during that time to study in those " unknown" universities , they were not sub standard compared to the African average as you foolishly implied .

Now that you have stopped dancing around , let's get to the subject I've been pointing you to; black kenyan vs black South African educated. I have removed the whites in south Africa, and the whites and Indians in Kenya, now give me something concrete not your opinion. I want the number of educated Kenyans before your independence and after. I have given you on that link the number of educated black South Africans before 94 and i can give yoh the number after 94 if you request it. With literacy , I think we have covered it, you rank lower than us . Being people who value facts and links a lot , I can post as many as you like and they all say the samething ; the zumas and malemas are ranked higher than the kenyettas .

rvp20183:
You didn't know about Kenya because your education system is insular. Most kenyans are very worldly and probably know more about South Africa or US than typical resident of those countries. I think you need to fix that - esp if South Africa is to get to the next level - you need to know more about Kenya - and other countries - and try to expand to those markets - because clearly you're already in a middle class trap and whatever stimulus you put - won't make South Africa crawl out of their economic malaise. Education system need reforms so you can learn about other countries. Growing up - most of our yr 7 we spend studying about Africa - all the 52 countries - histories & geography - yr 6 was mostly spend studying East Africa - and yr 8 would be study of world - and that was just primary education.

rvp20183:
South Africa of course has the capacity to pull heavy infrastructural projects while the rest of Africa - have to rely on either Chinese or Turkish or British or American or German or Japan contractors. You're in a different stage of development. Sadly there is no South African contractor that is bidding and winning such projects outside South Africa. It appears after building one of world's best infrastructure - all those South African companies somehow collapsed? or they are so insular? They should be winning road, bridges and rail contracts all over Africa - that is how South Africa will move to the next level - otherwise if you remain stuck there with 1% or contraction - then Kenya that now relies on Chinese will soon overtake you.

Jay254:


I do not know why Black's or Africans we are always so ignorant no wonder Putin Calls Africa grave yard.

Imagine white South Africans have better knowledge of Africa than the Black's. Most of the companies investing in Africa from S.A are mostly owned by whites. Kenyan receive's around 40k tourist from S.A every year and most of them are mostly white.

The white Americans have better knowledge of Africa than most Black American, Millions of tourist from America visits Africa every year and over 90% of them are whites dispute Black's having an origin in Africa.

The rich African's always splash money outside the continent. We need prayers

Kenyanstar:

Beautiful culture.... What facinates even more is that most tribes situated along the great rift valley share a common culture, tradition and attires. The Oromo are related to the Boranas who are also closely related to Rendiles who are closely related Samburus while Samburus are closely related to Maasai.

Theophinio:

Hey Kazikazi
Am not a girlfriend or wife hunter like you on the social forum
Get a life dude
Are you an Ethiopian, you might as well help with answers to my questions about Bahir dar
Thanks

Lionessza6:



The ignorance is in your shores as well . We receive a lot of the settler community as tourists from Kenya as well. The most investments from Kenya to other parts are more Indians and whites than black kenyans as well.

Tayser and the other rsp fellow didn't know that we have a higher literacy than you, can someone scream ignorance again .

Lionessza6:


You clearly aren't as worldly as you think if you thought black south Africans didn't get the same education as those in the rest of Africa, infact that was very dumb of you . No wonder you are now puffing up and down . Talk to me about the rest when you reach our numbers in middle class and eradicate starvation from your populace , for now you are just making a lot of noise . Then after you can concentrate on your 2030 dream lol.

Lionessza6:

LMFAO , dude South African firms were heavily involved in UAE , what are you talking about?. Anyways the point was not Whether they are involved outside or not but that everything in South Africa is done by south africans not outsiders, I think the guy I was addressing got that . When you start empowering your own instead of the Chinese and their laboureres then we can talk about you overtaking us , for now you seem a bit too emotional about the whole thing lol.