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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ednited(f): 7:15am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Hati13: Poor hailemariam. The best thing he ever did is resigning. Even though he wasn't on power. . . at least he passed the 4 prime ministers to Dr. Abiy kikikiku |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 7:17am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Lad, it's about time we cross the boarder,about time! TayserMahiri: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Lionessza6(f): 7:35am On Nov 24, 2018 |
rvp2018: LOL@ universities no one knew about. Yes , no ignorant Kenyan knew about them , but some of the African countries that sent their children to these schools definitely knew about them. Zuma is a product of which university ?. Malema is actually a graduate of UNISA a university rated higher than many of your own , so if that was meant as some sort of jab , you only managed to shoot yourself on the foot. Yes , whites had quality universities and since you claimed you also received world class education before and after your independence, where the hell are your Shuttleworths, Musks and them? ![]() ![]() ![]() By the way our original debate was on black South Africans being illiterate and none receiving any formal education before the 90s and 2000s ![]() Go through that link , I'm not running mouth , I'm educating you and providing proof not making assumptions and I would love to get the same from your side . https://www.politicsweb.co.za/news-and-analysis/apartheid-and-the-universities As for the last part , maybe I will get to throw that line in 2030 ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 7:40am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Of course I've studied both histories,it's just that I think that the African American's case was more of an insidious nature than the black South African's case.However,as you have put it,it may be that I'm out of the reality because my people never underwent such a treatment hence in me underestimating apartheid.Goodluck in you people trying to correct things.I would not want to argue much about it because apartheid was never Kenya's history.Let's chill! Lionessza6: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by YAHREIGNS: 7:48am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Jonraid:We had some form of it. They just left before most of us interacted with them. Unlike SA where they continued for 30 more years. - Africans were not allowed in Nairobi except with a pass and not beyond Tom Mboya street except with a "broom" - White Highlands versus "reserves" - White Estates - White schools, - etc |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Lionessza6(f): 7:54am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Jonraid: I did not quote you because you suggested the African American situation was extreme, that should not even be an observation , any Tom and dick should readily know this. I quoted you because of what you were trying to suggest with the finger pointing line, you clearly needed education on what has lead the country to where it is. There was nothing to argue in the first place , you could have asked where you didn't understand or studied the subject a bit better before inserting yourself into it. Thanks and goodluck on being the biggest economy and the most developed African nation by 2030. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Lionessza6(f): 8:01am On Nov 24, 2018 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 8:07am On Nov 24, 2018 |
It's not that I don't know about apartheid,I know about it more than even the South Africans themselves as a subject;my point was,none of my people experienced it,it was not a Kenyan affair.Because of this fact,I'd rather not discuss the subject out of the respect that I was not a victim of it and neither were my people! I guess this shouldn't be hard to understand now? Lionessza6: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:12am On Nov 24, 2018 |
This is the classic straw man argument. You enact your straw man, attribute your own or other issues to me and the proceed to demolish them. Now where have I ever claimed Kenyans have EVER received world class education. We know South Africa whites have long history of world class education systems. Kenya education system has never been world class but it's always has been one of the best in Sub-sahara Africa. I bet if you remove white component of South African education - Kenya education systems is definitely better than Black South Africa education system. Yes South Africa or even Niger or Uganda or Kenya had universities during colonial rule - and they had schools as early as 1900 - but it was mostly low quality education - while white kids whether in Kenya or South Africa or US - went to racially segregated world class schools. Isn't that why you had BEE - recently - because of white stranglehold of economy and institutions - wasn't that to correct the same historical injustices we are talking about. Or well maybe the world was wrong when we thought Apertheid was raw deal for black south africans and you guys were actually attending world class universities. Black South Africa of course always had schools and universities - we saw school riots of 80s - we know Mandela had a degree as way back as 1950s - but overally black south africa received a raw deal in education system. I am glad you're fixing it now. Lionessza6: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 8:13am On Nov 24, 2018 |
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/WB-signs-Sh327m-science-training-deal/539546-4865926-kc10b8/index.html World bank and ICIPE ( International Centre of Insect Physiology and Ecology) headquartered in Kenya have inked a deal to fund training in science and innovation in sub-Saharan Africa. 1 Like
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ednited(f): 8:15am On Nov 24, 2018 |
@TayserMahiri here are more Ashenda pictures. . . the pictures I have posted before haven't satisfied me cuz Google pics weren't that cool Ashenda festival is for Tigray Shades is for Amharas. Amharas use no make up but Tigray do on the festival. Here is a dressing for Ashenda
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kenyanstar: 8:15am On Nov 24, 2018 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:17am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Two things.Effective demand & oversupply. Nigeria effective demand for modern offices/residential estate/warehousing is so small there is 1) already an over Over supply and 2) the price is so high. That is what you find in countries like South Sudan or Niger or Chad..or NIGERIA. Rather than spending acres of Nairaland realestate why not learn basic economics - like Effective Demand of Modern Housing in A TYPICAL NIGERIAN SLUM CITY. Just find out how many years it will take one Eko City tower to be filled up - those two towers may already have caused a 10yr oversupply in Lagos real estate - because face it - outside Oil companies,your banks, MTN & Southern multinationals, who in Nigeria can afford to rent such space?. I am told Dar's tower have occupancy of 10-20% years on. Nairobi is very hot market because you've got all these multinationals moving in droves - looking for modern housing/offices/malls. forgiveness: 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:22am On Nov 24, 2018 |
South Africa of course has the capacity to pull heavy infrastructural projects while the rest of Africa - have to rely on either Chinese or Turkish or British or American or German or Japan contractors. You're in a different stage of development. Sadly there is no South African contractor that is bidding and winning such projects outside South Africa. It appears after building one of world's best infrastructure - all those South African companies somehow collapsed? or they are so insular? They should be winning road, bridges and rail contracts all over Africa - that is how South Africa will move to the next level - otherwise if you remain stuck there with 1% or contraction - then Kenya that now relies on Chinese will soon overtake you. Lionessza6: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ednited(f): 8:26am On Nov 24, 2018 |
The difference of Ashenda and Shadey is very little. It is both celebrated by Northern Ethiopians Here are pics of Ethiopian Artist shopping for Ashenda The third pic- jewels for Ashenda The last pic is Amhara lady celebrating shadey It is one of the biggest tourist attraction in Ethiopia. @TayserMahiri, they play their song and dance. I don't celebrate it and I've never been to places where it is celebrated. Tigrayans take it seriously, it would have been easy if we had had a Tigray here 2 Likes
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:32am On Nov 24, 2018 |
You didn't know about Kenya because your education system is insular. Most kenyans are very worldly and probably know more about South Africa or US than typical resident of those countries. I think you need to fix that - esp if South Africa is to get to the next level - you need to know more about Kenya - and other countries - and try to expand to those markets - because clearly you're already in a middle class trap and whatever stimulus you put - won't make South Africa crawl out of their economic malaise. Education system need reforms so you can learn about other countries. Growing up - most of our yr 7 we spend studying about Africa - all the 52 countries - histories & geography - yr 6 was mostly spend studying East Africa - and yr 8 would be study of world - and that was just primary education. [quote author=Lionessza6 post=73251576][/quote] 4 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 8:44am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Yeah ,segregations was there.Even the Indians occupied a much higher status than the black Kenyans.However,things got a little bit better after independence! YAHREIGNS: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kenyanstar: 8:45am On Nov 24, 2018 |
ednited:Beautiful culture.... What facinates even more is that most tribes situated along the great rift valley share a common culture, tradition and attires. The Oromo are related to the Boranas who are also closely related to Rendiles who are closely related Samburus while Samburus are closely related to Maasai. 1 Like
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Lionessza6(f): 8:46am On Nov 24, 2018 |
rvp20183: Here we go again with the bouncing around ![]() ![]() ![]() Now that you have stopped dancing around , let's get to the subject I've been pointing you to; black kenyan vs black South African educated. I have removed the whites in south Africa, and the whites and Indians in Kenya, now give me something concrete not your opinion. I want the number of educated Kenyans before your independence and after. I have given you on that link the number of educated black South Africans before 94 and i can give yoh the number after 94 if you request it. With literacy , I think we have covered it, you rank lower than us . Being people who value facts and links a lot , I can post as many as you like and they all say the samething ; the zumas and malemas are ranked higher than the kenyettas . 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Lionessza6(f): 8:52am On Nov 24, 2018 |
rvp20183: You clearly aren't as worldly as you think if you thought black south Africans didn't get the same education as those in the rest of Africa, infact that was very dumb of you . No wonder you are now puffing up and down ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 8:53am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Lionessza6: You should ask for the number of educated Kenyans after 1994. If you're doing a comparison, compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ednited(f): 8:55am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Kenyanstar: I like all the buildings but especially the first one. Many mega projects in Africa are now being made by Chinese. . .to be honest, they are good at it. Are these buildings made by Kenyans? What are the building restrictions in Kenya? Nairobi has great buildings as I've seen so far. . .You guys have done a great job considering the urban context. Your buildings tell that they were made by real Architects. Here in Addis, most of the buildings aren't made with the hands of an Architect but rather consultants. Hati13, have you noticed? I think Kenyans has set rules on building construction and they are applying it properly. The same I have noticed with Tanzaina 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:58am On Nov 24, 2018 |
You're being disingenuous. You want to compare Kenya in 1963 with South Africa in 1994 ![]() Kenya black education essentially started in 1963..before that we had I think 1,000 schools only and by time we were set for independence we had I think 5 degree holders, 2 masters & possibly 1phd. That is how bad a deal we got before 1963. What did we do after independence - we had to let whites & indians ran the civil service for another 10yrs - and our leaders esp Tom Mboya convinced US's president JF Kennedy to award scholarship to black Kenya students to the best universities of US of A. This was commonly referred to as The Kennedy AirLift programme - and out went 1,000 or about kenya students to best universities of the world - one of those student was Obama father - who went to Harvard - others include Nobel Laurate the Late Prof Wangari Mathai - those 1,000 or so kids were to form our first black political, business and civil service elite in 1970s. Majority came back straight from colleges to head parastals or become even Ministers. BBC calls it the Airlift Programme that Changed the World. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33629577 And that is why you didn't see us running to South Africa for education - because we had secured scholarship to study in Harvard & Yale & Standfords thanks to Tom Mboya & JF Kennedy. A few also headed to Russia thanks to cold war but the institutionalized racism of USSR meant it was a waste of time. Now post-independence - we invested so heavily in education systems - which explain why I think now or in 1994 - black kenyans were WAY BETTER EDUCATED than BLACK South Africans. From about 1,000 schools in 1963 than soon became about 30,000 schools or more if you include private schools. We have reformed education I think 3 times now - we started with British system - in 1980s we dumped that for Canadian system - and now we are dumping that for new system that is homegrown I think. Overall our education system as always been ranked highly in Sub-Sahara Africa. The same cannot be said of South Africa...I have also heard very good things about Zimbwabwe education system. Lionessza6: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jay254(m): 9:00am On Nov 24, 2018 |
rvp20183: I do not know why Black's or Africans we are always so ignorant no wonder Putin Calls Africa grave yard. Imagine white South Africans have better knowledge of Africa than the Black's. Most of the companies investing in Africa from S.A are mostly owned by whites. Kenyan receive's around 40k tourist from S.A every year and most of them are mostly white. The white Americans have better knowledge of Africa than most Black American, Millions of tourist from America visits Africa every year and over 90% of them are whites dispite Black's having an origin in Africa. The rich African's always splash money outside the continent. We need prayers 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Lionessza6(f): 9:01am On Nov 24, 2018 |
rvp20183: LMFAO , dude South African firms were heavily involved in UAE , what are you talking about?. Anyways the point was not Whether they are involved outside or not but that everything in South Africa is done by south africans not outsiders, I think the guy I was addressing got that . When you start empowering your own instead of the Chinese and their laboureres then we can talk about you overtaking us , for now you seem a bit too emotional about the whole thing lol. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Lionessza6(f): 9:06am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Jay254: The ignorance is in your shores as well . We receive a lot of the settler community as tourists from Kenya as well. The most investments from Kenya to other parts are more Indians and whites than black kenyans as well. Tayser and the other rsp fellow didn't know that we have a higher literacy than you, can someone scream ignorance again ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ednited(f): 9:07am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Kenyanstar: B.E.A.U.T.I.F.U.L!! Even the ladies look like habesha. The best part of knowing about culture isn't just about knowing about culture. . . it tells you that all of us descend from the same place. From the pictures you guys shared me, some of your people look and dress like Oromo and Afar people of Ethiopia. Southern Ethiopians have similarities with West Africans. Amharas and Tigray people share many things. The Tutsi people of Rwanda are the Oromo people of Ethiopia. Keep counting. . . The more you know about culture is the more you understand that we are 1! I just don't know why the reverse is happening!! Here is a picture of Ethiopian singer dressing like a Kenyan on Coke studio She is on the right. . . .@kazikazi, that's Nandy from your country. She has amazing voice! 1 Like
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 9:08am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Theophinio: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() You rarely come across men as desperate as him. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 9:11am On Nov 24, 2018 |
''Considering that the apartheid system had disadvantaged black South Africans in education, qualified and skilled Africans filled the gap in the immediate. Many Kenyans teaching in South African universities got employed in this way. But more also got employed because they were offering “special skills and knowledge”, which was in short supply at the time of their employment. '' I've quoted this from https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/Kenyan-connection-to-the-South-African-higher-education-sector/440808-3509704-7ag03jz/index.html Kenyans back then were one of the most educated blacks who were few in the continent! There was a requirement that black tutors be employed in SA Universities but because black South Africans could not fill the numbers,Kenyans were one of the few African nations that helped in bridging that deficit! 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ednited(f): 9:12am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Lionessza6: Are you smiling when you are writing? I don't know why but I feel like you are smiling the whole time. . . I just don't know why. . . kikikikiki If you do that, you'll be living longer than any one of us here. Bandtrua I think is doing the opposite 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 9:18am On Nov 24, 2018 |
Lionessza6: Kenya has the highest life expectancy of all countries whose citizens are commenting on this thread yet this tired starvation line just won't go. How are we outliving all of you if we're starving? People here are arguing to win and not to understand. 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:20am On Nov 24, 2018 |
I will never get emotional about national issues. I can use my emotions better. I am just being dispassionate here. You challenge us to use our own contractors - and we are challenging you to expand to Africa if you're that good. We actually tried kenyan contractors before - and they delivered nothing - because of corruption. I think I'd prefer we keep our Chinese for a little longer. The economic benefit of the road is more than what we pay the contractor anyway - and besides we just allow the top engineers to come in - but bulk of workers - they have to hire locally. Lionessza6: 2 Likes |
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