Hati13:

We male celebrate too (I for example celebrate it when I was in senior high school). But I think female care about it than us. Female generally like to dress and look beautiful so during culture day it’s perfect opportunity to show their respective customs.

Do you guys celebrate ende? Wendoch tigachewn yizew siyafetu new enji siyakebru ayche alawkim lok

rvp20183:
You're being disingenuous. You want to compare Kenya in 1963 with South Africa in 1994 . I am not big fan of just literacy - ability to read & write - so I am okay if you want us to compare black south africa now and black kenya now, or in 1994 or in 1963. Not to compare Kenyans in 1963 and South Africa in 1994.

Kenya black education essentially started in 1963..before that we had I think 1,000 schools only and by time we were set for independence we had I think 5 degree holders, 2 masters & possibly 1phd. That is how bad a deal we got before in 1963.

What did we do after independence - we had to let whites & indians ran the civil service for another 10yrs - and our leaders esp Tom Mboya convinced US's president JF Kennedy to award scholarship to Kenya students to the US of A. This was commonly referred to as AirLift programme - and out went 1,000 or about kenya students to best universities of the world - one of those student was Obama father - who went to Harvard - others include Nobel Laurate the Late Prof Wangari Mathai - those 1,000 or so kids were to form our first black political, business and civil service elite in 1970s. Majority came back straight from colleges to head parastals or become even Ministers.

BBC calls it the Airlift Programme that Changed the World.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33629577

Now post-independence - we invested so heavily in education systems - which explain why I think now or in 1994 - black kenyans were WAY BETTER EDUCATED than South Africa. From about 1,000 schools in 1963 than soon became about 30,000 thousands schools or more if you include private schools. We have reformed education I think 3 times now - we started with British systems - in 1980s we dumped that for Canadian systems - and now we are dumping that for new system. Overall our education system as always been ranked highly in Sub-Sahara Africa.

The same cannot be said of South Africa...I have also heard very good things about Zimbwabwe education system.

Again you seem to be running away from your own original post. You said at independence you had a higher number of educated people than South Africa, remember?. . And then you went on to say black South Africans only received higher education in the 90s and 2000s, right?. And when I corrected you, you changed it to quality . Then I said give me proof that you received quality higher education than those in south Africa and the sub Saharan Africa, I'm yet to receive it.

Now you are busy changing the topic and playing victim , why would I want to compare Kenya in 1963 and South Africa 1994 ? .

Yes , you can give me the number of educated Kenyans after independence till 1994, that is what I've been asking from you from the get go. I have given you the number of black south Africans that went to university pre 94 . How is this difficult ?.

They bring up starvation and Kibera as a measure of 'avoiding the elephant in the room!'

Most of our African compatriots can't answer the most pertinent matters that we are raising in this thread!

NairobiWalker:


Kenya has the highest life expectancy of all countries whose citizens are commenting on this thread yet this tired starvation line just won't go. How are we outliving all of you if we're starving? People here are arguing to win and not to understand.

@Theophinio

I forgot my gmail password, this is where I can help you.

Bahirdar is a beautiful city located in the north. It is one of the peaceful cities located in Ethiopia. The weather is good too.

What are you planning for there? Are you thinking of a visit or settlement?

ednited:


B.E.A.U.T.I.F.U.L!!

Even the ladies look like habesha.

The best part of knowing about culture isn't just about knowing about culture. . . it tells you that all of us descend from the same place. From the pictures you guys shared me, some of your people look and dress like Oromo and Afar people of Ethiopia. Southern Ethiopians have similarities with West Africans. Amharas and Tigray people share many things. The Tutsi people of Rwanda are the Oromo people of Ethiopia. Keep counting. . . The more you know about culture is the more you understand that we are 1! I just don't know why the reverse is happening!!

Here is a picture of Ethiopian singer dressing like a Kenyan on Coke studio

She is on the right. . . .@kazikazi, that's Nandy from your country. She has amazing voice!

The Samburus have a similar culture too.... Mixture of different cultures assimilated into one.

Yes in 90s - many kenyan teachers - ended up in Southern Africa countries - Botswana & South Africa mostly.

Jonraid:
''Considering that the apartheid system had disadvantaged black South Africans in education, qualified and skilled Africans filled the gap in the immediate.

Many Kenyans teaching in South African universities got employed in this way. But more also got employed because they were offering “special skills and knowledge”, which was in short supply at the time of their employment. ''

I've quoted this from https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/Kenyan-connection-to-the-South-African-higher-education-sector/440808-3509704-7ag03jz/index.html

Kenyans back then were one of the most educated blacks who were few in the continent! There was a requirement that black tutors be employed in SA Universities but because black South Africans could not fill the numbers,Kenyans were one of the few African nations that helped in bridging that deficit!

rvp20183:
I will never get emotional about national issues. I can use my emotions better. I am just being dispassionate here. You challenge us to use our own contractors - and we are challenging you to expand to Africa if you're that good. We actually tried kenyan contractors before - and they delivered nothing - because of corruption. I think I'd prefer we keep our Chinese for a little longer. The economic benefit of the road is more than what we pay the contractor anyway - and besides we just allow the top engineers to come in - but bulk of workers - they have to hire locally.

LMFAO , OK. They are that good because they have built the infrastructure that has made our country the model of development in Africa . If they have worked in the UAE , I'm sure they are involved in Africa as well, but that was never the topic of discussion. My point was that anything in south Africa is made by South Africans, whether that hurts others or not, it's their own issue .

Maybe you're confusing me with someone else. I said historically kenyans & Zim were better educated than black South Africans. It easy if you are responding to what I said - simply QUOTE it.

Yes if you want to compare kenya education system in 1994 and South Africa in 1994 - black - then we can do that.

Or even now in 2018 - we can compare kenya education system btw now.And already that was done by SACMEQ http://www.sacmeq.org/ and yesterday I added GEF 2018 report - and consistently kenya beat South Africa like a drum.

Lionessza6:

Again you seem to be running away from your own original post. You said at independence you had a higher number of educated people than South Africa, remember?. . And then you went on to say black South Africans only received higher education in the 90s and 2000s, right?. And when I corrected you, you changed it to quality . Then I said give me proof that you received quality higher education than those in south Africa and the sub Saharan Africa, I'm yet to receive it.

Now you are busy changing the topic and playing victim , why would I want to compare Kenya in 1963 and South Africa 1994 ? .

Yes , you can give me the number of educated Kenyans after independence till 1994, that is what I've been asking from you from the get go. I have given you the number of black south Africans that went to university pre 94 . How is this difficult ?.

NairobiWalker:


Kenya has the highest life expectancy of all countries whose citizens are commenting on this thread yet this tired starvation line just won't go. How are we outliving all of you if we're starving? People here are arguing to win and not to understand.

just tell her to show you where Kenyans are starving in 2018

NairobiWalker:


Kenya has the highest life expectancy of all countries whose citizens are commenting on this thread yet this tired starvation line just won't go. How are we outliving all of you if we're starving? People here are arguing to win and not to understand.

You have slightly higher life expectancy than us ,we give you that . South Africa though with her own problems, has never had to deal with a starving populace . So as you kindly told us to focus on fixing certain issues in our country, i thought i would be also nice and remind you of some of the issues you have been faced with from your independence.

Jonraid:
They bring up starvation and Kibera as a measure of 'avoiding the elephant in the room!'

Most of our African compatriots can't answer the most pertinent matters that we are raising in this thread!

The adamancy of Africans to get facts right and learn is keeping us backward. Most of the knowledge Africans have about other Africans is stereotypical and nobody is willing to believe when facts are placed before them.

NairobiWalker:


You should ask for the number of educated Kenyans after 1994. If you're doing a comparison, compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

Dude , I think you cane late to the discussion. It would be insane for anyone to compare a 1963 Kenya with a 1994 a South Africa , just page back a bit and follow the argument.

Kenyanstar:

The Samburus have a similar culture too.... Mixture of different cultures assimilated into one.

on the second pic- is that a cross on her forehead? It looks like that

South Africa infrastructure is definitely world class - and we would love to have them building stuff we can't build - as fellow Africans - rather than Chinese prisoners like you said. Obviously South Africa is on another level - and that we admit. But the your future prognosis my friend is very bad - and by 2030 - kenya may well be at your level.

Lionessza6:

LMFAO , OK. They are that good because they have built the infrastructure that has made our country the model of development in Africa . If they have worked in the UAE , I'm sure they are involved in Africa as well, but that was never the topic of discussion. My point was that anything in south Africa is made by South Africans, whether that hurts others or not, it's their own issue .

Lionessza6:


You have slightly higher life expectancy than us ,we give you that . South Africa though with her own problems, has never had to deal with a starving populace . So as you kindly told us to focus on fixing certain issues in our country, i thought i would be also nice and remind you of some of the issues you have been faced with from your independence.

1. Nobody's ever said S. Africa has dealt with starvation on this thread.
2. You haven't answered the question. How can we be starving when we have among the highest life expectancy in Sub Saharan Africa? Starving people are dying people. You need to stop reasoning like Nigerians and get your facts right.

NairobiWalker:


The adamancy of Africans to get facts right and learn is keeping us backward. Most of the knowledge Africans have about other Africans is stereotypical and nobody is willing to believe when facts are placed before them.

Like is said , the ignorance and stereotyping is a disease that we all seem to have contracted . I will correct yours about us and you can do the same for your country , and we can all learn the real facts not the lies we have always believed .

@Lionessza6

Thabo Mbeki

During his tenure in office, the South African economy grew at an average rate of 4.5% per year, creating employment in the middle sector of the economy. The Black middle-class was significantly expanded with the implementation of Black Economic Empowerment (BEE). He attracted the bulk of Africa's Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) and made South Africa the focal point of African growth. He was the architect of NEPAD whose aim is to develop an integrated development framework for Africa He also oversaw the successful building of economic bridges to BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China) nations with the eventual formation of the India-Brazil-South Africa (IBSA) Dialogue Forum

Now tell me what mbeki means in xhosa coz one of my Grandparents was called Mbeki

Lionessza6:


Dude , I think you cane late to the discussion. It would be insane for anyone to compare a 1963 Kenya with a 1994 a South Africa , just page back a bit and follow the argument.

Did you understand my point? I said, if you have to use a 1994 S Africa, then you should also use a 1994 Kenya. Stop twisting my point.

NairobiWalker:


1. Nobody's ever said S. Africa has dealt with starvation on this thread.
2. You haven't answered the question. How can we be starving when we have among the highest life expectancy in Sub Saharan Africa? Starving people are dying people. You need to stop reasoning like Nigerians and get your facts right.

No dear you didn't, but you did foolishly insinuate things that I've corrected. So if Kenya has not dealt with starvation in recent history , please accept my sincere apology and educate me about the situation. Hunger is not the only thing that kills people , we have a lot of people dying of diabetes in south Africa to name one , so you might have less of that.

NairobiWalker:


Did you understand my point? I said, if you have to use a 1994 S Africa, then you should also use a 1994 Kenya. Stop twisting my point.

Gosh ! Did you understand mine? . Why would I do 1963 Kenya vs South Africa 94 ? Is that even sensible ? . I said go back and see what me and your friend are talking about. You seem lost.

Lionessza6:


Like is said , the ignorance and stereotyping is a disease that we all seem to have contracted . I will correct yours about us and you can do the same for your country , and we can all learn the real facts not the lies we have always believed .

I've never been stereotypical towards SA. I've been on this thread since it opened and I was at the forefront in telling Nigerians to stop deluding themselves comparing themselves to SA development wise when they could hardly keep up with Jenya because SA is miles ahead of the rest of Africa in that sector. I am however disappointed that you fed into their stereotypical views of Kenya. Like some Nigerian guy, Nowenuse, who claims Kenyans starve because of those skinny marathoners he sees on TV yet the very same marathoners are millionaires.

Lionessza6:


You have slightly higher life expectancy than us ,we give you that . South Africa though with her own problems, has never had to deal with a starving populace . So as you kindly told us to focus on fixing certain issues in our country, i thought i would be also nice and remind you of some of the issues you have been faced with from your independence.

My respect for South Africa as a country still stands... The effects of unemployment in South Africa is similar to famine experienced in Kenyan Northern areas. The similarities are things beyond our control as a country due to natural and also man made troubles. The most affected tribe are the Turkana community who are purely nomadic who have suffered the effects of weather, hostility from neighboring communities from Ethiopia through cattle rustling and geographical expediency. The past decade has been the worst since drought ravaged their animals due to the harsh weather and rapid expansion of the Sahara desert. It is not as simple as it looks.

I think when they cannot deal with reality that Kenya is a progressive country that is rapidly growing - they resort to KaziKazi classics defense - 1) Kibera slum 2) starvation.Ethiopia used to be the poster child of starvation but they've fixed their country. China had people starving until recently.

NairobiWalker:


1. Nobody's ever said S. Africa has dealt with starvation on this thread.
2. You haven't answered the question. How can we be starving when we have among the highest life expectancy in Sub Saharan Africa? Starving people are dying people. You need to stop reasoning like Nigerians and get your facts right.

Just back in 2011,Windhoek asked Nairobi for doctors because they had a deficit.I was taken aback! Why Kenya? We are not in the SADC and we don't share so much with Namibia more than they do with SA.I guessed they wanted 'black doctors' which Kenya had them https://allafrica.com/stories/201109301154.html

rvp20183:
Yes in 90s - many kenyan teachers - ended up in Southern Africa countries - Botswana & South Africa mostly.

mtisTheQubit:
@Lionessza6

Thabo Mbeki

During his tenure in office, the South African economy grew at an average rate of 4.5% per year, creating employment in the middle sector of the economy. The Black middle-class was significantly expanded with the implementation of Black Economic Empowerment (BEE). He attracted the bulk of Africa's Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) and made South Africa the focal point of African growth. He was the architect of NEPAD whose aim is to develop an integrated development framework for Africa He also oversaw the successful building of economic bridges to BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China) nations with the eventual formation of the India-Brazil-South Africa (IBSA) Dialogue Forum

Now tell me what mbeki means in xhosa coz one of my Grandparents was called Mbeki

LOL, maybe the grandparent was a South African refugee . You should do a DNA test .

Lionessza6:


Gosh ! Did you understand mine? . Why would I do 1963 Kenya vs South Africa 94 ? Is that even sensible ? . I said go back and see what me and your friend are talking about. You seem lost.

I'm not lost - I'm simply responding to your post. You asked to compare Kenya's educated population in 1963 to SA in 1994.

Lionessza6:


Here we go again with the bouncing around . Your initial post implied black South Africans didn't recieve any type of education and therefore were illiterate before 94 . And you changed it and made it a black vs white South Africa subject , talk about reaching . It has been said over and over again even repeated by yourself , that white South Africans received way better education than any other Africans in Africa. Like you said all Africans received around the same quality of education , that is why even Ugandans and Zimbabweans came to South Africa during that time to study in those " unknown" universities , they were not sub standard compared to the African average as you foolishly implied .

Now that you have stopped dancing around , let's get to the subject I've been pointing you to; black kenyan vs black South African educated. I have removed the whites in south Africa, and the whites and Indians in Kenya, now give me something concrete not your opinion. I want the number of educated Kenyans before your independence and after. I have given you on that link the number of educated black South Africans before 94 and i can give yoh the number after 94 if you request it. With literacy , I think we have covered it, you rank lower than us . Being people who value facts and links a lot , I can post as many as you like and they all say the samething ; the zumas and malemas are ranked higher than the kenyettas .

What helped South Africa is the collapse of Zim otherwise they were be importing professional workers from Kenya too. You cannot hire the rest - because - look at KaziKazi - the best of Tanzania cannot even construct a proper English sentence.

Jonraid:
Just back in 2011,Windhoek asked Nairobi for doctors because they had a deficit.I was taken aback! Why Kenya? We are not in the SADC and we don't share so much with Namibia more than they do with SA.I guessed they wanted 'black doctors' which Kenya had them

Jonraid:
Just back in 2011,Windhoek asked Nairobi for doctors because they had a deficit.I was taken aback! Why Kenya? We are not in the SADC and we don't share so much with Namibia more than they do with SA.I guessed they wanted 'black doctors' which Kenya had them

LOL, I think little things excite too much at times. We also have doctors from Cuba , Nigeria UK etc , it's not that we don't have ours but with a growing population and so many immigrants we had a shortage especially in the rural parts . Same way America is always recruiting doctors from third world countries.

rvp20183:
[b]What helped South Africa [/b]is the collapse of Zim otherwise they were be importing professional workers from Kenya too. You cannot hire the rest - because - look at KaziKazi - the best of Tanzania cannot even construct a proper English sentence.

I just had to LMFAO at the bolded.

Lionessza6:


No dear you didn't, but you did foolishly insinuate things that I've corrected. So if Kenya has not dealt with starvation in recent history , please accept my sincere apology and educate me about the situation. Hunger is not the only thing that kills people , we have a lot of people dying of diabetes in south Africa to name one , so you might have less of that.

Which things did I foolishly insinuate? I simply asked you to stop claiming Kenyans are starving. So who's the foolish one? Please, stop using foul language on me, I could choose to do the same to you but I haven't.

SA has lower life expectancy mostly due to HIV, homicides and lifestyle diseases, I know that. My point wasn't for comparison purposes but just to let you know Kenya wouldn't be having a relatively higher life expectancy if we were starving. To make it simple, stop saying Kenyans are starving.

Lionessza6:



LOL, maybe the grandparent was a South African refugee . You should do a DNA test .

No I will not do any DNA test..I’ll just claim Xhosa from now hence forth

Let me quote this - If it wasn't for Kenyans, Nigerians, Ghanians and Zimbwabwean proffesional coming to rescue your black post-Independence(post-1994) behind that had regress under Apertheid you won't be talking now. Now wonder you still have xenophobia - because we've heard you simply cannot compete with BLACK AFRICANS.

South African institutions of higher learning offered much better salaries and easily recruited from elsewhere on the continent because they needed to satisfy the new employment rules in South Africa that demanded that a certain percentage of staff in an institution be black. Considering that the apartheid system had disadvantaged black South Africans in education, qualified and skilled Africans filled the gap in the immediate.

Lionessza6:


I just had to LMFAO at the bolded.