TomatoBiscuit:
You're talking rubbish.

The Bible is talking rubbish, because last I check, the Bible holds the same view.

alBHAGDADI:
Jesus was called sin of David.

I gave a verse that warned against changing ancient landmarks. I also showed you all where the Bible said women should submit to their husband. Yet you are asking for a specific verse that says women shouldn't use their father's name alongside their husband's name. Is it not the same thing as justifying twerking done by ladies because the Bible doesn't specifically say anything on twerking? But you know quite well that twerking falls under sexual immoralities spoken of in the Bible. Using of hyphenated surname when married is against God's command that women should submit to their husband because you have failed to submit to his name.

they Won't agree With You.1peter 3vs1-6,especially Vs5&6.

TomatoBiscuit:
Joint identity in marriage IS similar to being one with one's spouse. People typically retain their own identity in marriage, as they should!, but there's also a joint identity that takes place. I'm speaking based on research done on this.

The man was not created because of a woman.man was created for God's glory. It is a woman that was created because of man and for man 1cor 11:7,8,9

alBHAGDADI:


Disobedience and lack of submission.

How?. Were the women of old answering their husband's name? Why bring man made doctrine that doesn't relate to the scriptures?.

alBHAGDADI:


The Bible is talking rubbish, because last I check, the Bible holds the same view.

Tell your sisters to discard their identities when they get married all in the name of marriage. And for your information, retaining one's identity and submitting to one's husband are not the same. Go educate yourself.

KinSlayer:

You seriously underestimate africa

It's only a matter of time as I said

Even in the core north, the media is penetrating


Give it 30, 40 or maybe 50 years max

you will see

by then, most of those with "primitive" and "barbaric" mentality would have died off

Jaynom:
Our problem in this country is RELIGION . She's been bearing her father's name since she was born, did she die or was she plagued with mental illnesses? Get a good woman and whether or not she wants to use her father's name shouldn't be an issue. The most important thing is that She's your wife . You think in the Bible Abraham's wife was called SARAH ABRAHAM?

Yeye

asuustrike1:

How?. Were the women of old answering their husband's name? Why bring man made doctrine that doesn't relate to the scriptures?.

Which women of old? The ones in the Bible or the ones in 1936?

alBHAGDADI:


Keep on smoking to glorify God. I like your style. Just dont blame God when cancer comes knocking.


1 Corinthians 3:17
If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

Galatians 6:7-8
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

Okay, is that you wishing me cancer?

asuustrike1:

How?. Were the women of old answering their husband's name? Why bring man made doctrine that doesn't relate to the scriptures?.

Yes
She was called Sarah wife of Abraham all through same way he was called David son of Jesse.
That was how people answer husband name in the Bible

TomatoBiscuit:
Tell your sisters to discard their identities when they get married all in the name of marriage. And for your information, retaining one's identity and submitting to one's husband are not the same. Go educate yourself.

Which identity are you talKing about? Keeping our father's name, the same father that handed her over to her new authority? The same father that never requested her to continue bearing his name, but out of stupidity she wants to keep doing it?

My sister's identity now lies with their husband. Anything g other than that is disobedience to God and man.

KinSlayer:

Are you implying that there's a world outside Nigeria? How dare you?

Lmao!

alBHAGDADI:


Are you praying to the same God who said your husband will rule over you and you must submit, or you are praying to Satan who wants you to drag headship with your husband?

Simply because you don't want to obey God, your father and your husband, you have listed men who simply comply with God's rule as weak. Keep it up.May God open your eyes before it's too late.

May God open your own eyes too so you can differentiate opinions and personal translation from the Word of God. The word of God is Sacrosanct, don't play word games with it. "Wives, submit to your husbands..." and not "wives, throw your names into trash bins...". You lots think you alone has the monopoly of interpretation of God's word by the holy spirit. To you, submission means discarding one's names, to few responsible ones, it has nothing to do with that. Who are you to tell them what the scripture meant when it didn't say so? Don't present your overly ego-filled interpretations as God's word because you will be cursed!

And yes, I am praying to Almighty God to keep people like you far away from me.

Nigerians number 1 problem is illitracy and over religiousness.. (okay ethnicity too)

The religion we all practice were even brought by the westerns... But na we carry am for head pass.. 50% of the most wealthiest pastors are all Nigerians, Believe it or not these pastors are using us to create wealth for themselves, Have a five minute walk around your area, believe me you'll see more than 5 churches all with different idealogies, it's now even a competition... This tells you one thing, that we are most gullible and shallow-minded people on the planet..

Sometimes I'm shocked at the way some folks not even worship the GOD again but there pastors and there false preachings..

60% of the Americans, Europeans, Asians just believe in science, The big bang theory, and just existence... and that's what keeps them going..
They live, love and die...

But over here it's a different story... the poor keep waiting for manner to fall from heaven while the rich keeps getting richer..
We are even more sinful than are... I mean look at the headlines of our news.. "Yahoo boys kills 21 year old student"... billions of dollars missing everyday...
Yet the people that believes in science are
Producing all the tech advancements we use today..

Am not seeing we should all believe in science... Am a rational person.. I believe in God's existence, cause i know we had to be created by something which even science can't prove... I do believe in science too..

I'm also a believer in miracles and blessings believe me I've seen things which even Einstein can't explain... All am saying is we should try to be more sensible, open-minded and rational thinkers and less over-religious... The world is evolving and leaving us behind... I pray we catch up with it.


/DrSavage/

LEVITE150:
they Won't agree With You.1peter 3vs1-6,especially Vs5&6.

All ye blind people, please read.


1 Peter 3:1-6
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

noturbusiness:

Yes
She was called Sarah wife of Abraham all through same way he was called David son of Jesse.
That was how people answer husband name in the Bible

Was she called Mrs Sarah Abraham or Sarah Abraham?
Wasn't she called the wife to Abraham? Does that connotes answering Abraham's name?

alBHAGDADI:
Which women of old? The ones in the Bible or the ones in 1936?

The ones in the Bible

CookieLaVee:
May God open your own eyes too so you can differentiate opinions and personal translation from the Word of God. The word of God is Sacrosanct, don't play word games with it. "Wives, submit to your husbands..." and not "wives, throw your names into trash bins...". You lots think you alone has the monopoly of interpretation of God's word by the holy spirit. To you, submission means discarding one's names, to few responsible ones, it has nothing to do with that. Who are you to tell them what the scripture meant when it didn't say so? Don't present your overly ego-filled interpretations as God's word because you will be cursed!

And yes, I am praying to Almighty God to keep people like you far away from me.

What part of submit don't you understand? Perhaps you think it means submit when you want and don't submit in instances when you don't want to. The Bible says submit and be in subjection to your husband in EVERYTHING.


Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in EVERY THING.


1 Peter 3:1-6
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands;

BlaqCoffee109:
and you assume we be one of those hoodrats you are used to? I be the one swapping your destiny... kikikikikiki, laughing in pvssy language...

Keep deceiving yourself till your destiny is being used to buy Benz if something even Dey the destiny self

freshvine:
if my dad name will take me to places i retain with hubby, if hubby family name dwarf my dad's, i eliminate dad name.

Where do you think your Dad's name will take you to,and your Husband name won't?if your Dad is that influencial People will know you are his Daughter either you include his name or not.

asuustrike1:

Was she called Mrs Sarah Abraham or Sarah Abraham?
Wasn't she called the wife to Abraham? Does that connotes answering Abraham's name?

The problem with you people is that you always expect the Bible to spell everything out for you like ABC. If I ask you if pornography is sin, you will say yes. Okay, where is it written that watching pornography is sin? But the Bible says sexual immoralities are sin. Pornography falls under such.

Now, you want to see where Sarah is called Sarah Abraham. You won't find, but I show you were Sarah called her husband Abraham Lord. The Bible even said we should imbibe such character as daughters of Sarah. If as a daughter of Sarah you can call your Husband Lord, I see No reason why you shouldn't be able to bear his surname alone. Adding your father's name means he isn't Lord over you because you can do whatever you like. This means you aren't a Christian cos you have shown that you aren't a daughter is Sarah who obeyed her husband Abraham. Abraham's blessings can never be yours.

The below verse shows that the women of old obeyed, Sarah obeyed. Why don't you want to ?

1 Peter 3:5-6
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

alBHAGDADI:


I don't understand your language.

Let the spirit minister it to you.

noturbusiness:

the title should be Jesus son of Peter or David son of Solomon. why use the father's name?

David son of Jesse, Saul son of kish, Solomon son of David, Gideon son of Joash Sarah wife of Abraham, Jael wife of Heber .
that was how people's names were written in the Bible.
maybe will should be writing buhari son of Mohammed, Goodluck son of Jonathan , Aisha wife of buhari, patience wife of Jonathan. I know the feminist will still have problem with this format

Sharrap.

Feminism is not the problem. The issue here is myopic application of scripture by religious fanatics

LEVITE150:
Where do you think your Dad's name will take you to,and your Husband name won't?if your Dad is that influencial People will know you are his Daughter either you include his name or not.

They sometimes talk as if they will plaster their father's name to their forehead.

Instead of them to trust Jesus, the name that is above every other name, they are trusting in their father's name, a man that can drop dead at any minute.

asuustrike1:

Yeye

Lemme alone

alBHAGDADI:
In today's world, many women find it trendy and classy including their father's name to their husband's name when they get married. Most of them don't even know why it's done, they just do it because they saw others doing it. Many of such women profess to be Christians without knowing that doing such is an open rebellion against their father, their husband and God who instituted marriage from the beginning.

This evil rebellious trend was made popular by Hollywood where you see a Jada Pinkett married to Will Smith now choosing to call herself Jada Pinkett-Smith. The trend quickly got copied by African actresses like Omotola Jalade who got married to Mr. Ekeinde now choosing to call herself Omotola Jalade-Ekeinde. These popular people whom many have chosen as role models have led many into emulating the same idea. That's why many Nigerian ladies on Facebook now have hyphenated names.

This new trend which seems like what has come to stay is a total disregard for God and tradition. Please read the below Bible passages.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Ephesians 6:1-3
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

The first excuse women who have hyphenated names give is that they are honoring their father who raised them by giving them the best which made them who they are today. That's why they have to retain his name when married just to ensure his name lives on. This is stupidity at it's highest order. Such a woman is only satisfying her ego and not her father.

Did the poor man ever asked to be honored let alone in that way? Did he tell you that when he got married to his own wife, he allowed her to do such to him? Why do you now think he will be happy to know you are causing pain to a young man who is your husband all in the name of an honor he never asked for?

The above passage says you should honor your father and mother, but before that it says OBEY your parents. Failing to do the first part is the reason why you are honoring your father in the wrong manner. If you truly love your father, then why did you disobey what he did on the day you got married?

On the day you got married, he did something symbolic which is very traditional. He walked you down to the altar and handed you over to the man whom you got married to on your wedding day. What he simply did was handover authority over you to your husband and new daddy. It is him you are to obey henceforth. Not saying you are to now start disregarding your parents, but they now have a little authority over your life.

You obeyed your father while under his roof. He gave you the best due to your obedience. Now that he has given you to a man as wife, it is that man you are to obey just as you did your father. Bringing in your father or his name into the man's house is the same as having two captains in a ship. Your father won't even want that because such was never done to him. Hyphenating your name is the same as saying that when your father walked you down the alter, he never handed you over to your husband, instead he also got married to him just as you did.

Some women will say they hyphenate just to preserve their father"s name. Won't that same name die when you die? Can you see how stupid that reasoning is?

Another quarter will say their father's name open doors for them, so they have to keep it because the name of the man whom they married can not even ring a bell but not to talk of opening doors.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the L ORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Such women are trusting in man instead of God. They believe God who said they should submit to their husband cannot direct their path, so they rely on their rich and famous earthly father who can drop dead at any minute. What is wrong with such women is pride and greed. They don't want to seem to know that they are no longer under their father's roof. They want to eat their cake and have it.

If you don't love a man well enough to submit to him and bear his name alone, then marriage is not for you. Stay in your father's house and keep enjoying the benefits of his name. Getting married and disregarding all of these will mean you have disobeyed many persons.

First you have disobeyed God who told you to submit to your husband just as you submit to Him.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Secondly, you have disobeyed your father who symbolically handed you over to your husband as the new authority over you. You have done the wrong thing.

Ephesians 6:1-3
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

Thirdly, you have failed to submit to your husband. No wonder many married women are not having happiness in their homes. They do everything right without knowing that this one single thing that looks harmless is what is causing God to prevent happiness from reigning in their household.

As for sissy men who allow their wives to keep their father's name, your kind is the reason why society is messed up today. If you look at your marriage carefully, you will see that you lack authority there all because you allowed one foolishness to come into it. You are disobeying God by changing traditions.

Proverbs 22:28 King James Version (KJV)
Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.

Why all this long talk over a woman adding a man's name to another man's name. Bible this, Bible that. . For once use your own brain to decipher meanings behind things.

"You are disobeying God by changing traditions".
Seriously? What traditions? The only people who are traditionally tied to the Bible are the jews. . .everyone else isn't.

You people have started...

But the bible quotations has absolutely nothing to do with keeping father's name or not.

asuustrike1:

Was she called Mrs Sarah Abraham or Sarah Abraham?
Wasn't she called the wife to Abraham? Does that connotes answering Abraham's name?

Was he called David jesse? Why was he called son of David? Why did she use Sarah wife of Abraham not Sarah daughter of so so and so like he used David son of Jesse?

alBHAGDADI:


What part of submit don't you understand? Perhaps you think it means submit when you want and don't submit in instances when you don't want to. The Bible says submit and be in subjection to your husband in EVERYTHING.


Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in EVERY THING.


1 Peter 3:1-6
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands;

Very well, do well to change your wive's facial and physical appearance to yours so whenever anyone sees her, they will know that she submitted to her husband in EVERYTHING. She must submit to you in everything, looks and appearance included...Anything less than that is disobedience to the word of God and your curses will be second to none.


I refuse to dignify you with another reply. You obviously do not understand the word Everything, probably you adopt the word at instances where you want and discard it when you want.

Go preach to gullible Christians who do not have a brain in their heads.

JeromeBlack:


Sharrap.

Feminism is not the problem. The issue here is myopic application of scripture by religious fanatics

You didn't have answer to the piont I raised?all you have to say is sharrap? Look at the so-called strong men

alBHAGDADI:


The problem with you people is that you always expect the Bible to spell everything out for you like ABC. If I ask you if pornography is sin, you will say yes. Okay, where is it written that watching pornography is sin? But the Bible says sexual immoralities are sin. Pornography falls under such.

Now, you want to see where Sarah is called Sarah Abraham. You won't find, but I show you were Sarah called her husband Abraham Lord. The Bible even said we should imbibe such character as daughters of Sarah. If as a daughter of Sarah you can call your Husband Lord, I see No reason why you shouldn't be able to bear his surname alone. Adding your father's name means he isn't Lord over you because you can do whatever you like. This means you aren't a Christian cos you have shown that you aren't a daughter is Sarah who obeyed her husband Abraham. Abraham's blessings can never be yours.

The below verse shows that the women of old obeyed, Sarah obeyed. Why don't you want to ?

1 Peter 3:5-6
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

The three main categories of sin are the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life (1 John 2:16). Pornography definitely causes us to lust after flesh, and it is undeniably a lust of the eyes. Pornography definitely does not qualify as one of the things we are to think about, according to Philippians 4:8. Pornography is addictive (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19) and destructive (Proverbs 6:25-28; Ezekiel 20:30; Ephesians 4:19). Lusting after other people in our minds, which is the essence of pornography, is offensive to God (Matthew 5:28). When habitual devotion to pornography characterizes a person’s life and he/she continues in sin without seeking help, making no attempt to stop or feeling no desire to change his/her behavior, it demonstrates the person may not be saved (1 Corinthians 6:9-12).
These verses and illustrations expansiate and explains why pornography is bad.

The tradition of a wife taking her husband’s last name at marriage is not found in the Bible. In Bible times, most people did not even have last names. Women were often identified by where they lived (e.g., Mary Magdalene, Luke 8:2), by their children (e.g., Mary the mother of James and Joseph, Matthew 27:56), or by their husband (e.g., Mary the wife of Clopas, John 19:25).

In Western culture, it has been a common tradition for a wife to change her last name to that of her husband. The vast majority of married women in the West still follow that tradition. There is nothing explicitly biblical about doing this, since the Bible issues no command to do so. Thus, there is nothing explicitly unbiblical about a wife keeping her maiden name or opting for a hyphenated hybrid.

Some women who legally change their last names after marriage are simply following cultural conventions. Many others, however, are consciously choosing to illustrate a couple of biblical principles, namely, the headship of the man and the fact that marriage is the union of two people into “one flesh.” Jesus taught that, when a man and a woman are married, “they are no longer two, but one flesh” (Mark 10:. The husband, as the head of the home and the nurturer of his wife (Ephesians 5:23), shares his name with her, rather than vice versa.
Other cultures may have different traditions regarding a woman changing or keeping her last name after marriage. Again, since the Bible does not specifically address the issue, the matter should be decided based on prayer, cultural considerations, and the wishes of the husband and the wife.
In a nutshell, no scriptural bases for change of name as it is tradition of men not God