Abuja city renders Nairobi a complete slum,decorated with skyscrapers

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That second pic is not Kenya.You keep on cheating.From 'Harare pics' now you bring this lie again! Ho ho ho ho....huhuhuhuhuhu

Someone posted this two towers as Kenya's! Mind you,these are over 50 floors each,while the AVIC tower in Kenya is under construction with 44 floors.
A Kenyan lie again!!

rvp20183:
Dangote the richest man in Africa I really doubt it. Manu Chandaria's COMCRAFT GROUP OF COMPANIES that started in Nairobi is MASSIVE it unfathomable. It has operations and office all over the world. Some people estimate his wealth from anything 3.5B - to - 6.5B dollars - and he is yet to list any of his companies -- Dangote cement & sugar have got nothing on this.



This Kenya Indian entrepreneur & philanthropist has managed to hide massive wealth spread all over the world.

Some of companies that COMCRAFT owns globally include

1) SAFAL group - Africa leading roofing material group with operation all over - with more than 4,000 workers in Nigeria alone - with revenues over 2.5B dollars. It operates in more than 22 countries in Africa.
2) UST Global - This California based software company valued at 1B dollars and has service delivery points in India, Mexico, Portugal, Philiphines, Chile, Costa Rice, Spain etc.
3) Comcraft industrial companies across Asia - for example Steelco Gujarat Limited in India,idzania
4) Toonz - a major provider of animation to the top US and European producers, is South Asia's most admired animation studio and part of the international business conglomerate, Comcraft Group

Do you think Dangote became rich by having just two companies? Guy! You don't know anything.

Kazikazi:
Someone posted this two towers as Kenya's! Mind you,these are over 50 floors each,while the AVIC tower in Kenya is under construction with 44 floors.
A Kenyan lie again!!

Bhuhahahaha! chaiiiiiii!

Jonraid:
''Nigeria economy is supposed to be the biggest in Africa. But, we are the lowest, both in per capita budget figures and in absolute terms. Nigeria is in the middle among South Africa, Algeria, Egypt and Angola.''

This was quoted from https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/249059-2018-nigerias-biggest-budget-yet-meagre-compared-angola-south-africas.html

With 197 million people ,you shouldn't be having a budget lesser than Kenya's. If all those sectors contribute bigger amount of revenues to the Govt, where is the bigger budget that Nigeria should expect to have?

It is very disappointing that Kenya's here can't understand the basics core of system of government..

Under Kenya's unitary system of government, budget is allocated to the 47 counties in Kenya.

Kenya's total budget for 2018/2019 was just $24b dollars. From this, $2.7b is allocated to the 47 counties due to Kenya's system of government. This is called devolution budget in Kenya.

That is not the case with Nigeria. There's nothing like devolution budget allocated to the states rather all states generates revenue to make their own budgets.

For example, Lagos state 2018 budget was $3.9b dollars. River State was $1.4b dollars. Akwa Ibom $1.8b dollars. Cross River State was $3.6b dollars. Delta state was $1b dollars. Ogun state was $1b dollars etc This 6 states total budget for 2018 was approximately $12.7b dollars. if I add the remaining 30 states and FCT, we are talking about $45b - $50b dollars. Now, add that to our national budget, we can't get nothing less than $70b dollars.


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://kenyayote.com/kenya-budget-2018-2019-summary-and-full-pdf-statement-henry-rotich-speech/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiatez_zvDeAhVqyoUKHRMIB2IQFjACegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw2mXsMSTvQ1bR2KG14By4ju&ampcf=1&cshid=1543186301427

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Ruto? Oh give me a break! A tree log would lead us to prosperity than that man!I hope the 'power brokers' take it from him! He just doesn't cut it for me,but it's called preferences. Good-luck with your guy!

kikuyu1:
Someone was asking our next prez? You mean you didn't know? Srsly-its Ruto,though the maize thing isn't looking good,tbh! Its been agreed upon and decided-Mudavadi is wayyyyyy overrated on all levels: he's a pedestrian leader and economist whose only claim to fame is that the West unlocked foreign loans in 93 when he was the finmin for which he took credit. He has no ideas or policies worth mentioning.
Uhuru in early 2017 prayed for rain in Nyeri and it rained for 20 mns-is he a rain maker!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV826IhojA4


https://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nyeri/Uhuru-became-a-rainmaker-in-Nyeri-/1954190-3781692-bby23dz/index.html

Our budget wasn't 24 billion US dollars.Get your facts right!!

It was 30 billion US dollars! https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/06/14/inside-the-sh3-trillion-201819-budget_c1772862

This was your budget! There's nothing like 70 b!

https://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFKBN1JG1IR-OZABS

Kenya's counties collect their own revenues for their own budgetary commitments and also receive a 15 % of share of the total government's budget!

How you come up with numbers to get 70b is still vague.Provide irrefutable proof of each state budget and it's own revenues.Come up with clear computations to make up that combined 70b. Otherwise,you'll be talking to a wall!

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/249059-2018-nigerias-biggest-budget-yet-meagre-compared-angola-south-africas.html

Analyst from the above link talked of Nigeria's 2018-2019 budget.It is sad that they didn't mention the 'other budgets' and no one sees it because it's simply not there or it's insignificant or maybe it only exists to you!

forgiveness:



It is very disappointing that Kenya's here can't understand the basics core of government..

Under Kenya's unitary system of government, budget is allocated to the 47 counties in Kenya.

Kenya's total budget for 2018/2019 was just $24b dollars. From this, $2.7b is allocated to the 47 counties due to Kenya's system of government. This is called devolution budget in Kenya.

That is not the case with Nigeria. There's nothing like devolution budget allocated to the states rather all states generates revenue to make their own budgets.

For example, Lagos state 2018 budget was $3.9b dollars. River State was $1.4b dollars. Akwa Ibom $1.8b dollars. Cross River State was $3.6b dollars. Delta state was $1b dollars. Ogun state was $1b dollars etc This 6 states total budget for 2018 was approximately $12.7b dollars. if I add the remaining 30 states and FCT, we are talking about $45b - $50b dollars. Now, add that to our national budget, we can't get nothing less than $70b dollars.



This allocation is called devolution of


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://kenyayote.com/kenya-budget-2018-2019-summary-and-full-pdf-statement-henry-rotich-speech/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiatez_zvDeAhVqyoUKHRMIB2IQFjACegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw2mXsMSTvQ1bR2KG14By4ju&ampcf=1&cshid=1543186301427

Kur17:


Because of pride and fear of being ridiculed, they could not tell them Kenya had a bigger budget than them...

“Nigeria economy is supposed to be the biggest in Africa. But, we are the lowest, both in per capita budget figures and in absolute terms. Nigeria is in the middle among South Africa, Algeria, Egypt and Angola.
“This year, South Africa is budgeting about $116 billion, against Nigeria’s $23 billion, despite being the highest appropriation ever. Angola is doing $124 billion; Algeria $53 billion and Egypt $40 billion.

Nigeria's 2018 budget was approximately $30b dollars.

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https://allafrica.com/stories/201712180016.html
1) N12.2 trillion combined budgets of the two tiers of governments in 2016 - around 34B dollars.
2) In 2017, the federal and 33 state governments budgeted N13.5 trillion - around 38B dollars
3) 2018 you can estimate about 40B (there is data for federal + 33 states - 3 missing) - around 41B - we shall ignore some states presented very unreleastic budges - Anambra or Cross river is really hiarously Nigerian.

Now Kenya in 2018 had 31B dollars budget (3.07Kshs trillion).
All the 47 combined counties - maybe had 4-5B budget.

Total Kenya national & state budget is around 35B compared to Nigerias 40B combined state+federal budget in rough estimate.

The way Kenya budget is growing the next budget I suspect Kenya budget will overtake Nigeria oil dependent budget.

It okay for someone like you with an inquisitive mind to question everything - including mainstream knowledge - origin of bantus/hiv/moon landing/jewish conspiracy - but if you're a leader facing an epidemic - you want to learn to listen to experts and really focus on stopping the spread of the new disease. Whatever HIV is or is not - it's killing people upto now - and it started somewhere in mid 80s. The first people to really get hit were sex workers, gays and guys injecting themselves drugs - those are enough facts to stop the disease - you already knows it spread through bodily fluids (blood, semen, etc) - and that is what likes of Cuba with a great public health care did. That is what Museveni did in Uganda to reverse the course of the disease that by 1990 had infected more than 30% of Uganda.

Now for someone like Mbeki to act like you in 2000s in a serious matter like HIV/AIDS was really unfortunate, lots of south africans had to die, millions if i am not wrong, for him to get the point, lifespan reduce to 40s, and now they really get it - and are doing what Uganda was doing in 1990s - in 2018. They are doing whatever they can to stop the spread of disease and alleviate the sufferings...as scientist grapple with it.

I am not a virologist so I don't want to get into long debate on a obviously technical area we are all ill-equiped. Those debates should be held in LANCET or Scientific forums. Mbeki should never have been a leader.

kikuyu1:
Firstly,rvp20183 and NairobiWalker,pls stand down! No need for pot shots at each other. Rvp dude,I've nothing but respect for you but on Mbeki and HIV/AIDS you're dead wrong! There are so anomalies I don't even know where to begin:
-firstly the commonly used ELISA will test false positive if the subject is pregnant/malnourished/malarial or suffering from a host of tropical diseases;you do know prenatal clinics are used as sentinel sites and our DMS in 2001 Dr. Mwanzia banned their use for this reason


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5530833/

that's the US National Institutes of Health

-ever heard of discordant couples? one is positive despite constant unprotected sex
-nobody,not even the 'discoverer' of AIDS,Luc Montagnier has ever shown us an AIDS infected tissue or blood cells-HE SAID ITS VERY DIFFICULT!!

There's so much start with this:https://hivskeptic./tag/what-if-everything-you-knew-about-aids-was-wrong/

I personally know 3 false positives due to TB who turned negative when successfully treated. I suspect those cases are THE LARGE MAJORITY!

Jonraid:
Our budget wasn't 24 billion US dollars.Get your facts right!!

It was 30 billion US dollars! https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/06/14/inside-the-sh3-trillion-201819-budget_c1772862

This was your budget! There's nothing like 70 b!

https://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFKBN1JG1IR-OZABS

Kenya's counties collect their own revenues for their own budgetary commitments and also receive a 15 % of share of the total government's budget!

How you come up with numbers to get 70b is still vague.Provide irrefutable proof of each state budget and it's own revenues.Come up with clear computations to make up that combined 70b. Otherwise,you'll be talking to a wall!

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/249059-2018-nigerias-biggest-budget-yet-meagre-compared-angola-south-africas.html

Analyst from the above link talked of Nigeria's 2018-2019 budget.It is sad that they didn't mention the 'other budgets' and no one sees it because it's simply not there or it's insignificant or maybe it only exists to you!

Nigeria practice three tiers of governors. That is the reason there is nothing like devolution budget allocated to states on our budget. Unlike Kenya's counties that receive devolution budget from the central government of Kenya due to Kenya's unitary system of government. You can lie forever to yourself but I know the truth.

This is just Lagos state and Cross Rivers state 2018 budgets passed into law by their own state House of assembly. That is approximately $6.6b dollars for just two states.

Do you mean the opposition analysts?


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.channelstv.com/2018/02/15/cross-river-state-house-assembly-passes-n1-3tn-2018-budget/&ved=2ahUKEwiTjNj1sPHeAhUdgM4BHTH9B3YQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3P_CbNquRtMgJjfLJHdWX3&cshid=1543212717945


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.channelstv.com/2018/02/15/cross-river-state-house-assembly-passes-n1-3tn-2018-budget/&ved=2ahUKEwiTjNj1sPHeAhUdgM4BHTH9B3YQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3P_CbNquRtMgJjfLJHdWX3&cshid=1543212717945

Total state+federal budget of 2017 was 41B ( I am adding 1B for 3 missing states). Get us Local Authorities Budget so we can conclude this debate. Kenya total budget for Counties & National - was around 35B (National had 31B). As you can see with all the OIL and with all 200M people you budget is really TINY - you are 5B better than Kenya - and yet most of the budget making is unrealistic - unrealistic estimate of oil production & internal revenues.

forgiveness:

Nigeria practice three tiers of governors. That is the reason there is nothing like devolution budget allocated to states on our budget. Unlike Kenya's counties that receive devolution budget from the central government of Kenya due to Kenya's unitary system of government. You can lie forever to yourself but I know the truth.

This is just Lagos state and Cross Rivers state 2018 budgets passed into law by their own state House of assembly. That is approximately $6.6b dollars for just two states.


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.channelstv.com/2018/02/15/cross-river-state-house-assembly-passes-n1-3tn-2018-budget/&ved=2ahUKEwiTjNj1sPHeAhUdgM4BHTH9B3YQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3P_CbNquRtMgJjfLJHdWX3&cshid=1543212717945
Do you mean the opposite analyst?



https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.channelstv.com/2018/02/15/cross-river-state-house-assembly-passes-n1-3tn-2018-budget/&ved=2ahUKEwiTjNj1sPHeAhUdgM4BHTH9B3YQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3P_CbNquRtMgJjfLJHdWX3&cshid=1543212717945

rvp20183:
https://allafrica.com/stories/201712180016.html
1) N12.2 trillion combined budgets of the two tiers of governments in 2016 - around 34B dollars.
2) In 2017, the federal and 33 state governments budgeted N13.5 trillion - around 38B dollars
3) 2018 you can estimate about 40B (there is data for federal + 33 states - 3 missing) - around 41B - we shall ignore some states presented very unreleastic budges - Anambra or Cross river is really hiarously Nigerian.

Now Kenya in 2018 had 31B dollars budget (3.07Kshs trillion).
All the 47 combined counties - maybe had 4-5B budget.

Total Kenya national & state budget is around 35B compared to Nigerias 40B combined state+federal budget in rough estimate.

The way Kenya budget is growing the next budget I suspect Kenya budget will overtake Nigeria oil dependent budget.

See what Kenya's 47 counties get from the$30b dollars.

$2b dollars Crumbs!

TayserMahiri:


Leaders are so lucky that people like you dont think!

He was being sarcastic to Mudavadis proclaimed fame of being a great economist because of his one shot success, he just provided that example to show just because it's done doesn't necessarily mean it was his doing.

I'm noticing some divisive tactics at play from allies to in between Kenyans themselves, guess it's all fun but I hope you all don't fall prey to this.

rvp20183:
Total state+federal budget of 2017 was 41B ( I am adding 1B for 3 missing states). Get us Local Authorities Budget so we can conclude this debate. Kenya total budget for Counties & National - was around 35B (National had 31B). As you can see with all the OIL and with all 200M people you budget is really TINY - you are 5B better than Kenya - and yet most of the budget making is unrealistic - unrealistic estimate of oil production & internal revenues.

Can you show me the source you got $35b dollars for 2017 budget for both Kenya's National and counties?

Was Kenya's 2017 budget up to $31b dollars?

Show me now before I begin to disgrace you like I use to.

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Before and after pictures of massive road project in Kenya done...

Devolution didn't get 2b! Do your math again!

forgiveness:


See what Kenya's 47 counties get from the$30b dollars.

$2b dollars Crumbs!

How realistic are their estimates?

rvp20183:
Total state+federal budget of 2017 was 41B ( I am adding 1B for 3 missing states). Get us Local Authorities Budget so we can conclude this debate. Kenya total budget for Counties & National - was around 35B (National had 31B). As you can see with all the OIL and with all 200M people you budget is really TINY - you are 5B better than Kenya - and yet most of the budget making is unrealistic - unrealistic estimate of oil production & internal revenues.

There exist articles pointing out their budget to be only 25 billion USD.

9.1 trillion Naira gives you 25b

https://www.ecofinagency.com/public-management/1605-38489-nigeria-parliament-increases-2018-budget-to-25-billion

http://www.africanews.com/2018/06/21/nigeria-s-president-muhammadu-buhari-signs-2018-budget-into-law//

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-15/nigerian-lawmakers-increase-2018-spending-plans-to-25-billion

I can't really trust them! Even a 50 billion USD budget for Nigeria is still low considering how many they are!

Jonraid:
Devolution didn't get 2b! Do your math again!

What is the reason of those guys having billion dollar budgets yet nothing tangible on the ground!!!
Kenya with its meager budget has outwitted, out developed and dismembered the efficiency of a huge Nigerian figure budget on paper but nothing to show for it.
Imagine Kenya with the new oil revenue? What can it achieve if fully utilized in a decade or 2..... I feel the only limit will be the sky. Its time the Nigerian government stopped decorating its budget and really work on the utilisattion of its remaining small portion of oil wealth.

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