Icon4s:


Please you cannot compare Mikel's case with that of Iheanacho. Mikel despite being drafted to the DM role was at that initial stage a starter for a stars studded Chelsea side. Iheanacho was a bench warmer at City and even now at Leicester. Plus Mikel was delivering the goods in the Super Eagles colors. Iheanacho is not making any impact for both Club and country.

Yes, he was overhyped by many but a lot have since lowered their expectations. I never for once hyped him but I also never expected his game level to be this low at this stage in his career such that even Rohr mentioned it that Iheanacho has lost his confidence. His development seems to have stalled since after leaving City. There was a picture taken of Iheanacho and a couple of some other players in camp against SA and he looked so diminished psychologically.

It's either he shapens his pattern after Leicester's style of play or he seeks a transfer next summer.

Transfer to where? No club would want a lazy bum

realpoacher:


What can you say about Chuckwueze's goal yesterday?.. Cos I have noticed that you seem to turn a blind eye to his upward drive

Besides hope you won't talk trash about the Villarreal team fighting relegation bla bla bla because this Villarreal team, a team from Laliga that I know will give Arsenal and Chelsea a run for their money in the Europa League

So I want to hear your thoughts concerning Sam Chuckwueze playing in the Best league in the world and doing very well even if it's still early in the season whether his call-up to the SE is Justified or not


I am waiting

Bros, u don put the guy for hot seat this morning o.

Earthquake2:

Transfer to where? No club would want a lazy bum

Must he remain in England?

Icon4s:


Please you cannot compare Mikel's case with that of Iheanacho. Mikel despite being drafted to the DM role was at that initial stage a starter for a stars studded Chelsea side. Iheanacho was a bench warmer at City and even now at Leicester. Plus Mikel was delivering the goods in the Super Eagles colors. Iheanacho is not making any impact for both Club and country.

Yes, he was overhyped by many but a lot have since lowered their expectations. I never for once hyped him but I also never expected his game level to be this low at this stage in his career such that even Rohr mentioned it that Iheanacho has lost his confidence. His development seems to have stalled since after leaving City. There was a picture taken of Iheanacho and a couple of some other players in camp against SA and he looked so diminished psychologically.

It's either he shapens his pattern after Leicester's style of play or he seeks a transfer next summer.

Your last statement is in line with my conclusion.

I will disagree because both Iheanacho and Mikel are so much alike but one chose a different path after sitting a bench, where mikel succeeded was refusing the temptation to leave, I bet you also wanted him to much after MOU left in his first spell, because every one condemned Him(Mikel) to a permanent bench warming.
The case of Nacho was a bad decision from the time on, even under guardiola he was still scoring goals in FA cup and also in few minutes he played in EPL, going to Leicester was a bad decision and has affected his confidence, this is so glaring even to the blind, we never needed Rhor to noticed this.

Chukwueze is making waves now, the guy is on fire, will advice him to keep head low and continue the good works.

charlesemeka85:
this guy is another good talent who injury is preventing us from seeing his qualities. i pray he returns fast

he should leave GERMANY. Look at balogun, and osihem,
since they left, injury is not their secondary name again,

sontoly:


Your last statement is in line with my conclusion.

I will disagree because both Iheanacho and Mikel are so much alike but one chose a different path after sitting a bench, where mikel succeeded was refusing the temptation to leave, I bet you also wanted him to much after MOU left in his first spell, because every one condemned Him(Mikel) to a permanent bench warming.
The case of Nacho was a bad decision from the time on, even under guardiola he was still scoring goals in FA cup and also in few minutes he played in EPL, going to Leicester was a bad decision and has affected his confidence, this is so glaring even to the blind, we never needed Rhor to noticed this.

Going to Leicester was a good decision,would you expect a promising 19yr old to be in the bench where the coach would rather play a false nine than play him

Iheanacho's problem at Leicester are self inflicted, ironically Puel chose to play a false nine in Demarai Gray than play Iheanacho against Liverpool

Can you see that the problem is not far from the person of Iheanacho

do4luv14:

he should leave GERMANY. Look at balogun, and osihem, since they left, injury is not their secondary name again,

So what is now the relationship between playing in Germany and injuries?

sontoly:
Chukwueze is making waves now, the guy is on fire, will advice him to keep head low and continue the good works.

I also pray injury stays far from him. I want him in our U20 team to the WYC.

That is also another avenue to market him to bigger clubs.

Icon4s:


Bros, u don put the guy for hot seat this morning o.

Lolz... Bros don't worry.. Sir Komekn can handle it

Icon4s:


Must he remain in England?

You seem not to know Nigerian players or Nigerians in general


He will want to remain there until he gets citizenship before he ever consider leaving

Icon4s:


So what is now the relationship between playing in Germany and injuries?

i dont know what method of trainings, they used over there, nor do i know their konds of diet,

but, have been observing thing from there since our once promising talents went there, from OBASI to chrisantus, recently osihem, and Balogun,

its always one form of injury to another,
what might be the problem then

do4luv14:



i dont know what method of trainings, they used over there, nor do i know their konds of diet,

but, have been observing thing from there since our once promising talents went there, from OBASI to chrisantus, recently osihem, and Balogun,

its always one form of injury to another,
what might be the problem then

Bros Balogun grew up there

realpoacher:


Bros Balogun grew up there

i know, and i knoe you too understands, that since balogun leave, he had not been unlucky with injury, wether during games on in training,
remember, must times when ever he return from national duty, its an injury during training, or another,


same with victor, training ground injury, since he when on loan, when was the last time you heard him injured
even after national duty, he still come on to score for his club

Icon4s:


And that is also why he is not having a place in the SE. He should either develop as a CF or as an AM. Most teams no longer play SS.

Are you insinuating that Nacho with his unbelievably poor ball control is a natural SS?

I laugh in German.

gamaliel9:
Please...how can people compare Obafemi Martins with Iheanacho.....Obafemi in full flight was pure magic....Can Iheanacho run...bikokwanu...

This is how some people started to compare Iheanacho with Mbappe here

nobody compares nacho with Martin. Most of y’all need to go back to primary school to learn comprehension. Somebody made a comment declaring Chukwueze as the best player to emerged from naija,.. elytes tried to debunked such statement citing that Martin and nacho did exceptionally better than Chukwueze when they were 19. So I nor know where you for hear say dem dey compare nacho and Martin?. You just want start another nonsense argument. Follow the discourse from the beginning before you jump enter.

Earthquake2:


Going to Leicester was a good decision,would you expect a promising 19yr old to be in the bench where the coach would rather play a false nine than play him

Iheanacho's problem at Leicester are self inflicted, ironically Puel chose to play a false nine in Demarai Gray than play Iheanacho against Liverpool

Can you see that the problem is not far from the person of Iheanacho

i wonder what’s giving you so much excitement concerning nacho problem at the moment. If you are rejoicing over nacho misfortune, then I’ve got no choice but to advice you to examine your own life. We all know he is currently not doing well but why the excitement? Examine your life bro!

do4luv14:



i dont know what method of trainings, they used over there, nor do i know their konds of diet,

but, have been observing thing from there since our once promising talents went there, from OBASI to chrisantus, recently osihem, and Balogun,

its always one form of injury to another,
what might be the problem then

The EPL is the fastest, most competitive and physically intense league IMO.

The Bundesliga is not as physical and or intense so it's relatively easier for technically proficient players to excel and stand out.

A number of English players who have not been able to get game time in thier clubs. Have gone to the Bundesliga and ripped it apart.

Ademola Lookman
Reise Nelson
Jaden Sancho
Batshuayi

So the idea the Bundesliga is not good development is simply not true. I have my suspicions that if KC had gone to the Bundesliga he would have progressed more positively.

Jaden Sancho has been quite impressive in the Bundesliga for Dortmund so much so he was called up to the England squad. Surprisingly he is only 18, leaving Manchester city has proved a very wise decision.

kellycute:
nobody compares nacho with Martin. Most of y’all need to go back to primary school to learn comprehension. Somebody made a comment declaring Chukwueze as the best player to emerged from naija,.. elytes tried to debunked such statement citing that Martin and nacho did exceptionally better than Chukwueze when they were 19. So I nor know where you for hear say dem dey compare nacho and Martin?. You just want start another nonsense argument. Follow the discourse from the beginning before you jump enter.

You dey mind them ?

I was waiting for someone to say this first ,because if I tell them e to b like say I wan find trouble

Still looking at where nacho is compared to martins and can't find it ,dem don turn simple example to comparism

Earthquake2:


Going to Leicester was a good decision,would you expect a promising 19yr old to be in the bench where the coach would rather play a false nine than play him

Iheanacho's problem at Leicester are self inflicted, ironically Puel chose to play a false nine in Demarai Gray than play Iheanacho against Liverpool

Can you see that the problem is not far from the person of Iheanacho

Why so happy that a player is not doing well ?

Why not think about the progress in your life ?

Did nacho collect your girlfriend ? If so please move on okay ,even maxi Lopez have moved on from the Icardi issue so you can do so okay

You will gain nothing by celebrating because another man is not doing well ,the earlier the better .

Peace

komekn:


The EPL is the fastest, most competitive and physically intense league IMO.

The Bundesliga is not as physical and or intense so it's relatively easier for technically proficient players to excel and stand out.

A number of English players who have not been able to get game time in thier clubs. Have gone to the Bundesliga and ripped it apart.

Ademola Lookman
Reise Nelson
Jaden Sancho
Batshuayi

So the idea the Bundesliga is not good development is simply not true. I have my suspicions that if KC had gone to the Bundesliga he would have progressed more positively.

Jaden Sancho has been quite impressive in the Bundesliga for Dortmund so much so he was called up to the England squad. Surprisingly he is only 18, leaving Manchester city has proved a very wise decision.

I agree with you

But I can give you so many players from the Spanish league who could not get game time but they ripped the Epl apart also

It's vice versa okay ,don't make it look like there is one thing special about the Epl

The last time I checked bellerin could not make Barca first team but he is doing well at Arsenal

2005 fabregas could not make Barca first them Bt went to Arsenal to ripp the Epl apart .

Epl is the most physical league but when it comes to Europe many of them fail ,west ham and Everton will always fail to beat a back water league team in Europa league ,so where is the physicality?

Should I remind you of ravel Morrison who could not make it at lazio and was sent to a Seria B team ?

Mind you Jordan Sancho was never competiting for game time at mancity he was not even in the mancity first team so please don't make it look like he was on guardiola bench before he joined Dortmund,do you know if he will impress if he was given a chance by Pep ? But that's almost impossible because mancity is star studded

andrew444:


You dey mind them ?

I was waiting for someone to say this first ,because if I tell them e to b like say I wan find trouble

Still looking at where nacho is compared to martins and can't find it ,dem don turn simple example to comparism

exactly. Before you know, Na so the unnecessary comparison and arguement go start o lol. Dem dey enjoy the rancour Na why dem wan try start anoda episode.

komekn:


The EPL is the fastest, most competitive and physically intense league IMO.

The Bundesliga is not as physical and or intense so it's relatively easier for technically proficient players to excel and stand out.

A number of English players who have not been able to get game time in thier clubs. Have gone to the Bundesliga and ripped it apart.

Ademola Lookman
Reise Nelson
Jaden Sancho
Batshuayi

So the idea the Bundesliga is not good development is simply not true. I have my suspicions that if KC had gone to the Bundesliga he would have progressed more positively.

Jaden Sancho has been quite impressive in the Bundesliga for Dortmund so much so he was called up to the England squad. Surprisingly he is only 18, leaving Manchester city has proved a very wise decision.

am not talking about generality, neither am i talking about competativness,

what am saying and talking about is in direct propurtion about naija players,
with the exception of balogun, but i cant rule him out entirely

look at chinedu obasi, chrisantus macurley, victor osinhem,

them look in the mirror and tell me if they will get injury, the ways they got them in germany, if they were to be playing in the EPL

do4luv14:



am not talking about generality, neither am i talking about competativness,

what am saying and talking about is in direct propurtion about naija players,
with the exception of balogun, but i cant rule him out entirely

look at chinedu obasi, chrisantus macurley, victor osinhem,

them look in the mirror and tell me if they will get injury, the ways they got them in germany, if they were to be playing in the EPL

So now a league determines injury ?

And joel obi is also injury prone at Italy

I don't expect balogun to be injured at the Epl ,he had only started 2 games ,if balogun have gotten more starts I think he would have suffered injury

Germany league does not determine injury okay

Obasi injury woes started at the 2010 World Cup ,obasi was injury free at hoffienham

What about Anthony Ujah ? I think for the past 4 season he is Nigeria player with the highest appearance in Germany but never injured .

Bros Germany league no dey give injury abeg .

komekn:


I am automatically indignant when , FAIR-PLAY, TRANSPARENCY, OBJECTIVITY and a MERIT are put aside against FAVOURITISM and SUBJECTIVE PRESUMPTION.

What makes a player quality is consistency of top quality and or continuous above average performances and that component consistency, is intrinsically linked to time, you can not have one without the other.

Ajayi is 25, from the 2012 /2013 season until 2015 he never kicked a ball in senior first team league football that is near three years. He never played one game for Arsenal, Charlton or Cardiff, his first professional league game came at AFC Wimbledon in the 2015/16 in league two. However, despite not playing any first team football he was in the U20 Nigerian team in 2013. In 2016/17 he made it to the Championship with Rotherham playing about 17 games. 2017/18 they were relegated and Ajayi played that season in League one. Bring things up to date they got promoted and he is in the Championship 2018/19, he got MOTM award against Stoke, he is improving at 25 he is like many other players a late developer. How far can he go , time will tell.

Dominic Iorfa is 23, started playing as a teenager in 2013/14 season on loan to Shrewsbury in League one. From 2014/15, 2015/16, 2016/17 he played near 100 games for wolves , winning best young player, MOTM. Playing for England youth teams and invited to train with the first team of England. He was an established player in Wolves numerous offers from EPL sides rejected in now we know misplaced loyalty.

Before the summer of 2017 he made clear commitment to the SE he even had a positive meeting with Rohr to this effect, he was at his peak, everything was going well. He was waiting for the official call up that never materialised to date.

2017 Super Agent Mendes had taken control by proxy resulting in a FA probe that couldnt meet the burden of legal proof to make a substansive case against Wolves and Mendes, but its an open secret - https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11699/11561273/wolves-boss-nuno-espirito-santo-brushes-off-football-leaks-claims-about-jorge-mendes-relationship

He brought in a new manager Nuno Santos, and he systematically began to dispose of players not within the business model. Wolves currently has more Portuguese players than Benfica and Porto. That should tell you something. Dominic arrived 2017//18 before he had kicked a ball he was frozen out no explanation. Very hurriedly had to find another club hence Ipswich Town, early 2018 he got injured so for the 2017/18 season he played about 24 games.

2018/19, things have gone so bad in a totally unprecedented move never seen before unflavoured first team players were not allowed to train with the first or the U23. However, Dominic has now been allowed back in but only with the U23.

Strikers can have dry patches and are deemed to loose form. However, defenders are not prone to loosing form so dramatically. You cant have played football as defender played consistently at a top performing and with continuous improvement then all of a sudden you are bad or not good enough. This is not a football decision but one based on the politics of football business.

Sakho was left out of the Liverpool Squad after disputes with Klopp and didn't play for quite a few months before he went to Palace and immediately changed their season. His pedigree didn't change or quality drop just the opportunity to play at Liverpool. I see similarities with Iorfa that is not a double standard.

Now the question is double standard and hypocrisy.

Ajayi has played 35 games in the championship over two seasons not consecutive and is two years older largely been anonymous compared to Dominic who has played 110 games in the Championship over four consecutive seasons that is long term top level consistency. Consistency that has seen him playing for England at all youth levels.

So who is better , on paper and statistically there is no debateBut that's not the most pertinent question in reality, but rather why is one been DENIED OPPORTUNITY and who is more DESERVING of OPPORTUNITY We will not know how good he is until he is given OPPORTUNITY, competition creates quality it doesn't diminish it. I remember Danny Shittu blatantly denied opportunity at Bolton for two seasons , leaves and was voted best Defender in the Championship he was also exceptional for Nigeria.

Now you should look in the mirror, the finger you pointed has many more fingers pointing back at you, one of them is called bigotry.


Dont presume to know what any man is thinking it is birthed out of conceit. This talk about Iorfa started well before anybody knew the name Ajayi. It started in comparison to the German trio of defenders not interested in playing for Nigeria but Rohr still keeps requesting for. At the same time as ignoring Dominic.

Bravo! Bravo!! You think with this lengthy post of yours, you've done enough to wear me out? Think again.

Listen, I've been here long enough to know your motives, I was once in your corner, but not anymore as you've become too boring and predictable.

You've done a good job pointing out what Ajayi has failed to do 3-4 years ago and have succeeded in highlighting what Iorfa has done 3-4 years ago and no longer does.

So, by this sorry logic of yours, we ignore a player seeing games for a player who's been totally frozen out of competitive football? Oga, I hail you.

You said something about consistency, after his consistent run of games in the championship for 2-3 seasons, what next? No-one knows his whereabouts.

You keep yapping about OPPORTUNITY, and I don't know if you've ever gotten to face the harsh reality that OPPORTUNITIES, won't stare you in the face for a lifetime.

There was an opening for Iorfa to join in the team, he chose to say no at the time, whatever his reasons, I don't care. Had he said yes, I doubt if Ekong would be in the SE today.

An Iorfa who doesn't play cannot be invited in place of an Ajayi that's not just playing but doing well, get that and stop being a cry-baby!

And you're calling me a bigot and an hypocrite for calling your doible-standard asš out? For that, take am

andrew444:


I agree with you

But I can give you so many players from the Spanish league who could not get game time but they ripped the Epl apart also

It's vice versa okay ,don't make it look like there is one thing special about the Epl

The last time I checked bellerin could not make Barca first team but he is doing well at Arsenal

2005 fabregas could not make Barca first them Bt went to Arsenal to ripp the Epl apart .

Epl is the most physical league but when it comes to Europe many of them fail ,west ham and Everton will always fail to beat a back water league team in Europa league ,so where is the physicality?

Should I remind you of ravel Morrison who could not make it at lazio and was sent to a Seria B team ?

Mind you Jordan Sancho was never competiting for game time at mancity he was not even in the mancity first team so please don't make it look like he was on guardiola bench before he joined Dortmund,do you know if he will impress if he was given a chance by Pep ? But that's almost impossible because mancity is star studded

How many players have left Europe top league to rip the EPL apart❓

How many players have left the EPL to excel in the top leagues Of Europe❓

Ravel Morrison is a " Wasteman " this dude is one of most technicality gifted and skilful players ever. This guy had the capacity to be World class.

But he is so indisciplined, no diligence, no focus just wants to party party and groove. He is a very good example of WASTED TALENT.

A guy Alex Fergus said he has not seen a more gifted player.

He is the Chair man of the WASTE MAN ASSOCIATION

kellycute:
i wonder what’s giving you so much excitement concerning nacho problem at the moment. If you are rejoicing over nacho misfortune, then I’ve got no choice but to advice you to examine your own life. We all know he is currently not doing well but why the excitement? Examine your life bro!

Hey I'm not happy that Iheanacho is not doing well,what do I stand to gain from his misfortunes?

I'm only correcting those blaming Guardiola, Rohr, Puel even the pitch for Iheanacho's problem that his sole undoing is his attitude

andrew444:


Why so happy that a player is not doing well ?

Why not think about the progress in your life ?

Did nacho collect your girlfriend ? If so please move on okay ,even maxi Lopez have moved on from the Icardi issue so you can do so okay

You will gain nothing by celebrating because another man is not doing well ,the earlier the better .

Peace

I'm only correcting 'Iheanacho is better than Mbappe' crew that Puel and Rohr are not the problem of Iheanacho

I would not delude myself that Iheanacho is doing well at the moment and he even played well against South Africa as some of them do

Peace

Earthquake2:


I'm only correcting 'Iheanacho is better than Mbappe' crew that Puel and Rohr are not the problem of Iheanacho

I would not delude myself that Iheanacho is doing well at the moment and he even played well against South Africa as some of them do

Peace

I am a big nacho fan

But only a mad man will say iheanacho is better than mbappe

Is it not Mbappe that is giving neymar a run for his money at psg?

Am sorry if this will derail the thread but needed to quickly seek advice for a friend.


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komekn:


How many players have left Europe top league to rip the EPL apart❓

How many players have left the EPL to excel in the top leagues Of Europe❓

Ravel Morrison is a " Wasteman " this dude is one of most technicality gifted and skilful players ever. This guy had the capacity to be World class.

But he is so indisciplined, no diligence, no focus just wants to party party and groove. He is a very good example of WASTED TALENT.

A guy Alex Fergus said he has not seen a more gifted player.

He is the Chair man of the WASTE MAN ASSOCIATION

So david silva did not rip the epl apart?

Leroy sane is not ripping the epl apart right? Best young player last season,He did better in the epl than the bundesliga

A guy named michu who played for swansea,he have never scored 10 goals a season in his la liga career,when he went to the epl he scored 15 epl goals for swansea playing as an attacking midfielder

Did juan mata not rip the epl apart?

What about diego costa?

Marcos alonso nko? An average player at fiorentina turned world class at chelsea,the highest scoring defender for the past 2 seasons in the epl

Aiymeric laporte is too soon to mention,But are you watching him bossing the city defence?

The list are too many of players from others league that ripped the epl apart


You got me laughing on ravel Morrison...... Lol

KevinDein:
Am I exaggerating if I say Chukwueze is the biggest talent Nigeria has produced since Mikel?

Yes you would be!!