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| Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by HigherEd: 5:33pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
"It is only irresponsible people who elect and cheer wrong leaders but blame economic woes on the Church's refusal to commercialise." Factories and Churches Are Not Correlational - the existence of one doesn't hinder the creation of the other. Technically, Nigeria can afford to build thousands of factories even with thousands of churches in place. Yet the total removal of every single church in Nigeria would not add a single factory into Nigeria. So i wonder why every single church dedication sparks debate about industralization. Church Funding is Private The funding of the church comes from an association of people who agree to fund christian activities. The scorecard of the church in acheiving this is quite debatable, even, the expectations of what church funds should be used for is arguable within the confines of Christianedom. But certainly, it is undebatable that the church has no biblical mandate that insist it must build industries. The church doesn't receive allocation from the government, therefore its priorities and expenditure should be left for members to determine and direct. The Church Money Isn't Nigeria's Money: It would interest critics of the church to know that the money of the Church doesn't belong to any one nation. Much of the money being spent by major Christian organizations in Nigeria are collected from many other countries, therefore it can not be responsible for the economic revitalization of Nigeria. "Is The Church Afraid Of Taxation?" I have heard many assert that churches avoid industries to avoid taxes but yet it is totally incorrect and false. 1) Churches pay taxes: Nigerian indigenous churches e.g Winners, RCCG etc exist in multiple countries. Some of those countries require taxes while others don't. 2) Church schools pay taxes: Covenant university pays millions in CITtaxes under it's Campus Business Units. Yet, that doesn't make Winners Chapel's income taxable.(NB: Income from campus businesses form the IGR basis of both public and private school) Therefore the creation of industries wouldn't make a church taxable, rather the industries themselves would pay taxes. Why Churches Build Schools Rather Than Industries: I have not seen the factory built by Pope francis neither have i seen the one built by Archbishop welby of England. People underestimate the importance of assimilated culture. Christianity as practiced today in Nigeria is an importation from Europe and the USA. While these foreign churches built thousands of hospitals and schools there is a total snub on industralization. The assumption is that schools gives the church the opportunity to impart the gospel into young people at a developmental age while teaching them secular subjects. The Divine Mandate Listen to Oyedepo, Sam Adeyemi, Enenche, Ibeoymie etc and you would hear pastors who are thorough advocates of entrepreneurship and capitalism. Many of them take business classes and consistently talk about the importance of businesses to the individual and the economy. But one wonders why these pastors never get into businesses themselves. Could it be that God doesn't want His Churches to delve in that direction? Industralization May Shift Church Focus: At the core of commercialization is profitability, at the core of the Church is the Gospel. For the church, money is a means to an end and not the end itself. If the church goes into establishing for profit companies, then the church may just lose it's focus. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=354628338637615&id=226796954754088 Lalasticlala 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by GavelSlam: 5:35pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
Solutions are found in classrooms, laboratories and factories. |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by izzou(m): 5:39pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
 For the first time, I agree with you Let's start to hold our leaders accountable. As much as we would love notable and influential people to improve lives in the country, we should be able to draw the line between who's duty it is How can someone go and vote Buhari or Atiku and come and ask Enenche or Adeboye to create jobs? As much as you would want them to build it, you should remember that it isn't their duty Everyone had a dream. Maybe his was to build a church for God Let's learn to hold our leaders accountable Good write-up HigherEd 2 Likes |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by HigherEd: 5:48pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
GavelSlam:Thankfully, the church has enough schools and laboratories. At our last count the Catholic arm of the church is serving over 3 million students at secondary and elementary levels only. We are proud to have built Georgetown university, Notre dame which are top 1% of universities globally. Yonsei built by missionaries in South Korea is one of the elite SKY institutions in SK. Seriously you don't want to bring education into this argument. 1 Like |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by GavelSlam: 5:50pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
HigherEd: Notre dame in US..  |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by HigherEd: 5:58pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
GavelSlam:The University Of Notre Dame is a top rated Catholic Research University in USA and one of the most beautiful and wealthiest universities in the world. 1 Like |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by GavelSlam: 6:07pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
HigherEd: But not as rich as MIT, UCLA, Yale, etc. I could go on and on but I guess you get the point. People are free to worship and indeed, it is their right. However, the preponderance of worship houses, on a continent severely lacking in the use of logic, the application of industry and job creation is a disservice to such a people. Africa needs industries not places of worship. We need hospitals and notnmiracle centres. 1 Like |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by HigherEd: 6:23pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
GavelSlam:University Of Notre Dame endowment is $13 billion, a little less than MIT's $16 billion endowmen and far higher than UCLA's endowment of $2 billion. Can you tell me how the existence of these worship centers inhibit the establishment of factories. The real estate market is a free market, anyone that wants to buy land is free to purchase. Infact churches are free to buy up unused factories while companies are free to buy up closed down churches and turn them to factories. The church establishment is a matter of demand and supply. As long as there are people who need these spaces for worship then they would continue to spring up. If you want factories get it the way other countries get it. Fact is there are over 80 million christians in Nigeria and they must have places to worship lest we would block the roads like the muslims and there is nothing you can still do about it. 2 Likes |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by NPComplete: 6:29pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
Unfortunately, most times in Nigeria church money is not private. It us actually Nigeria's money given to the church by thieving politicians for prayers and favourable PR by the pastors. Only a dishonest person will deny this. 1 Like |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by princfred(m): 6:37pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
What is the difference between building industries for commercial purpose/gains and building schools for that? There are a many other non-profit things the church can do to impact society other than the two for gains. Missionaries and apostles changed the world effectively without profit driven ventures. That's Christianity and the power of charity/humanitarianism that is missing (as its not the major practical focus) and limiting the ability of African Christianity to fundamentally improve/impact Africa. From where will/do people practically learn not to over clink to their gettings and reduce covetousness? "If the church goes into establishing for profit companies, then the church may just lose it's focus" - How come this does not apply to private schools they establish? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by HigherEd: 6:39pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
NPComplete:Feel free to report the politician you know that looted funds to EFCC for recovery from the church. I mean that's what sensible and developed nations would do. And by the way much of your countriy's looted funds can be found in Switzerland, USA, Dubai, UK and many Hotels and Clubs. Only in exceptional cases does some give money to churches. 1 Like |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by HigherEd: 6:47pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
princfred:The private schools are not for profit but only charging the cost of education. Most church universities are the cheapest of private universities for what they offer. If profit was the motive, no one would be stupid enough to build a school. I'm sure oyedepo is knowledgeable enough to realise that none of the top 500 richest people in the world are in the ranking because they own any university. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by Ifiokumo: 7:02pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
Church is one of the biggest problems in "Nigeria" and Africa. The day they are relegated or held accountable for the suffering and decay in the land the better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRC-jr7R6U&t=678s |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by NPComplete: 7:40pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
HigherEd: Lol. The Cecelia Ibru ran down Oceanic Bank while gallivanting with church leaders and donating to the church. That is one of the many stories we know of. Much is I Switzerland doesn't mean some of it isn't going to your religious leaders. Keep crying. We will keep exposing u and calling out your bullshit miracle buildings. |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by PhenomenalMorgan(m): 8:34pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
Thanks HigherEd for this thread lalatiscalala pls move to front page to enlighten those shouting "build industries" and bla bla bla!! 1 Like |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by CodeTemplar: 9:38pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
GavelSlam:Stop that. In china a small dude of 25 years can easily access a low interest loan of about 3-4% PA interest and get all other factors of productions at unbeatable rates unlike in Nigeria where a 35 year old can hardly get loans for 20% PA talkless of other key factor pf productions like power, Logistics, and land. Now tell me how does a church affects that? Did church force force people to close down factories and industries for any reason? The church is a spiritual place meant for spiritual edification of the soul, spirit and body man. By opening schools and health centers they have done more than enough for the society. These people dont owe the society these thing but they are doing them and deserve commendation instead of condemnation. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by CodeTemplar: 9:40pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
NPComplete:So the church should report donations to EFCC? |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by InansBobo(m): 11:47pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
The church is meant to be fought so we shouldn't be surprised by these things. Thank God these pastors don't even have the time and energy to reply anybody so they don't feel important. They know these things they are saying doesn't correlate at all if not how can an acclaimed learned person use his brain to say that the weapons of a nation are obsolete and someone is building a largest auditorium for worship. How does church correlate with ammunition provision for the army of a nation?  |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by princfred(m): 7:10am On Nov 26, 2018 |
HigherEd:I refuse to agree they are not for profit making because what they charge in Nigeria and what other profit making universities in Nigeria charge is similar abi the other ones charging similar fees and lesser are non profit too? Other things give money does not mean school don't give money and that opening one is stupid. Though am not even a proponent of churches building industries but am for them building humanitaranian structures instead but if you insist on your point then i ask: so why not non profit industries only charging the cost of production? 1 Like |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by SpoiltVirgin: 10:10am On Nov 26, 2018 |
princfred:please give me example of a "profit making university" in Nigeria? |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by princfred(m): 10:35am On Nov 26, 2018 |
SpoiltVirgin:So they are all running for charity and more people are gallivanting to open more. Use your google please and something inside your skull too. |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by CodeTemplar: 12:48am On Nov 27, 2018 |
princfred:Profit is a function of what is delivered as final service and what was charged for it. Are you saying all private schools are equal? NUC regulates them but the fact that the standard in Nigeria is super low has given some private universities the huge room to explore international standards and we are all seeing the result of such dreams. |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by alBHAGDADI: 2:21am On Nov 27, 2018 |
Not to hold brief for these pastors, but all those criticizing churches for building large auditoriums are often hypocrites. They love to ask to be shown where Jesus and his disciples owned private jets in the Bible, yet they can't show us where the same Jesus and his disciples built schools, bought weapons for the military and built industries in the Bible. The only problem I have with the gigantic church auditoriums is that the true gospel of salvation is not being preached in them. What they preach is works based salvation instead of Saved by Grace Alone Through Faith in Jesus. Ephesians 2:8-9 If the gospel of Once Saved Always Saved is not preached in those large auditoriums, then the gathering in such buildings is just a congregation of hell-bound people. |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by princfred(m): 6:52am On Nov 27, 2018 |
CodeTemplar:Agreed but they are for and making profit is the end point but if you insist on your point then i ask: so why not non profit industries only charging the cost of production? |
| Re: Churches And The Issue Of Industralization by CodeTemplar: 12:58am On Dec 01, 2018 |
princfred:?? |
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