Has anyone ever wondered if, when Time stops, would God stop?

No.

He is everlasting.

Now, we cannot define everlasting in this physical word without mentioning time...

Eg....Everlasting is TIME without end.

...and time, is not in the word Everlasting...

So, we cannot conceptualized the word everlasting...

We cannot conceptualized God....

He transcends time and space.

How can God be everlasting and beyond Time and Space at the same Time?

iamuye:
How can God be everlasting and beyond Time and Space at the same Time?

Before he created the world, there was no time.

He thus existed before time was created, that is everlasting.....He created time....

He is not bounded by space.... Space is matter.

God is more than space..... He is everywhere and cannot be hindered.

Originakalokalo:


No.

He is everlasting.

Now, we cannot define everlasting in this physical word without mentioning time...

Eg....Everlasting is TIME without end.

...and time, is not in the word Everlasting...

So, we cannot conceptualized the word everlasting...

We cannot conceptualized God....

He transcends time and space.

I believe what you're trying to point out is to say God is within time (ie. is temporal) but is of infinite extension within time. That is to say, there is no time at which God does not exist. He is extended at all times T and has no beginning and no end.

also, there are understandings of "eternal or everlasting" that place God outside of time etc. but this all gets a bit more complex once we have to consider the Incarnation.

To be clear, God created time, matter and energy. None of these things existed before He created them ex nihilo. So He existed before Time existed. That means that His Existence is completely undefinable in terms of time.

This universe was created for us creatures. Eternity too will be created for us too. These things make our existence possible and comprehensible to us. But God doesn't need them Himself. It is in order to make some sense of Him that we use words about Him the way we do.

For example, when we say "before Time was created", we are saying something rather meaningless because if time didn't exist, what does "before" mean? But how else can we express the otherwise inexpressible?

Then again, where did God exist if there was no space before He created space? But again we are thinking of God like He isn't God. God is Spirit. Not a spirit, Spirit. That means that He is something very different from and not like the universe at all. So, it's impossible to explain Him in terms of the universe.

When then we talk about God, it is important to keep in mind that we are going to be speaking logical absurdities although they will be truths as far as human language can go. The reason is, as I have said, that God is not like the universe so that our ideas about Him will always be difficult to comprehend even where they are accurate and even more difficult to communicate meaningfully. And without Faith it is completely impossible either to understand Him or to even explain Him to anybody else.

Ihedinobi3:
To be clear, God created time, matter and energy. None of these things existed before He created them ex nihilo. So He existed before Time existed. That means that His Existence is completely undefinable in terms of time.

This universe was created for us creatures. Eternity too will be created for us too. These things make our existence possible and comprehensible to us. But God doesn't need them Himself. It is in order to make some sense of Him that we use words about Him the way we do.

For example, when we say "before Time was created", we are saying something rather meaningless because if time didn't exist, what does "before" mean? But how else can we express the otherwise inexpressible?

Then again, where did God exist if there was no space before He created space? But again we are thinking of God like He isn't God. God is Spirit. Not a spirit, Spirit. That means that He is something very different from and not like the universe at all. So, it's impossible to explain Him in terms of the universe.

When then we talk about God, it is important to keep in mind that we are going to be speaking logical absurdities although they will be truths as far as human language can go. The reason is, as I have said, that God is not like the universe so that our ideas about Him will always be difficult to comprehend even where they are accurate and even more difficult to communicate meaningfully. And without Faith it is completely impossible either to understand Him or to even explain Him to anybody else.

Whether time is fundamental or emergent is still a serious topic of debate in scientific circles. But somehow you know for sure that time is emergent.
How?
Faith?

Ihedinobi3:
To be clear, God created time, matter and energy. None of these things existed before He created them ex nihilo. So He existed before Time existed. That means that His Existence is completely undefinable in terms of time.

This universe was created for us creatures. Eternity too will be created for us too. These things make our existence possible and comprehensible to us. But God doesn't need them Himself. It is in order to make some sense of Him that we use words about Him the way we do.

For example, when we say "before Time was created", we are saying something rather meaningless because if time didn't exist, what does "before" mean? But how else can we express the otherwise inexpressible?

Then again, where did God exist if there was no space before He created space? But again we are thinking of God like He isn't God. God is Spirit. Not a spirit, Spirit. That means that He is something very different from and not like the universe at all. So, it's impossible to explain Him in terms of the universe.

When then we talk about God, it is important to keep in mind that we are going to be speaking logical absurdities although they will be truths as far as human language can go. The reason is, as I have said, that God is not like the universe so that our ideas about Him will always be difficult to comprehend even where they are accurate and even more difficult to communicate meaningfully. And without Faith it is completely impossible either to understand Him or to even explain Him to anybody else.

Whether time is fundamental or emergent is still a serious topic of debate in scientific circles. But your comment implies that you know for sure that time is emergent.
How?
Faith?

Ranchhoddas:
Whether time is fundamental or emergent is still a serious topic of debate in scientific circles. But your comment implies that you know for sure that time is emergent.
How?
Faith?

Lots of things are debates in scientific circles including the patently ridiculous.

Yes, I do know for sure that time was created as does every human being until they choose to ignore the truth and replace it with a lie of their own choosing.

Yes, Faith.

Ihedinobi3:

Lots of things are debates in scientific circles including the patently ridiculous.

Yes, I do know for sure that time was created as does every human being until they choose to ignore the truth and replace it with a lie of their own choosing.

Yes, Faith.

If it's faith then you don't know for sure, you must choose one.

iamuye:
Has anyone ever wondered if, when Time stops, would God stop?

Your question or assumption presupposes that God is within the limits of time, space and energy/matter by which we appear to be bound. It also presupposes that God is limited by our human notions of causality.

As I have said in my ""what created God thread"", any God that could be apprehended and described by my own meagre, mortal powers of perception, conceptualisation or even of mathematical calculation would not be worth believing in.

Most of the great religious traditions of the world tend to regard God as infinite, causeless and transcendent of (yet also immanent in and sustaining) all that exists. They would also say that God is ineffable.

That is why any language that is used to convey some idea of God must, necessarily, be figurative.

God is not confined within time, he created time for human to value what we do on earth

Ranchhoddas:
If it's faith then you don't know for sure, you must choose one.

Why do you say that what is known by Faith is not known for sure?

Ihedinobi3:

Why do you say that what is known by Faith is not known for sure?

Because the Bible describes faith as "...evidence of things NOT SEEN".

You know FOR SURE that the sun is responsible for the light outside. You do not need faith.

They are mutually exclusive.

Ranchhoddas:
Because the Bible describes faith as "...evidence of things NOT SEEN".

You know FOR SURE that the sun is responsible for the light outside. You do not need faith.

They are mutually exclusive.

Shall we say then that the blind do not know anything for sure?

Ihedinobi3:

Shall we say then that the blind do not know anything for sure?

They have other senses. You know honey is sweet, a plane in flight makes a loud noise, a Rose smells nice. You do not need faith for any of these. Did you observe the emergence of time with your senses?

Ranchhoddas:
They have other senses. You know honey is sweet, a plane in flight makes a loud noise, a Rose smells nice. You do not need faith for any of these. Did you observe the emergence of time with your senses?

Why did you not then assume that Faith is another sense rather than that nothing can be known for sure through Faith?

Ihedinobi3:

Why did you not then assume that Faith is another sense rather than that nothing can be known for sure through Faith?

Why should I assume when faith has already been defined?

"The substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen"

Would it be proper to assume when I've already been told what it is?

Ranchhoddas:
Why should I assume when faith has already been defined?

"The substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen"

Would it be proper to assume when I've already been told what it is?

You understand "substance of things hoped for" and "evidence of things not seen" as meaning what exactly?

In more modern English, the verse may be rendered thus as well:

Hebrews 11:1 NASB
[1]Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Can you explain why you do not see this in the same way as you would see the work of, say, the hearing of a blind man?

When a blind man cannot see the sun, how is he assured of its existence? When he cannot see the one he loves, how can he be convinced of their love for him? Why does his ability to perceive these things not resonate with Hebrews 11:1?

Ihedinobi3:

You understand "substance of things hoped for" and "evidence of things not seen" as meaning what exactly?

In more modern English, the verse may be rendered thus as well:

Hebrews 11:1 NASB
[1]Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Can you explain why you do not see this in the same way as you would see the work of, say, the hearing of a blind man?

When a blind man cannot see the sun, how is he assured of its existence? When he cannot see the one he loves, how can he be convinced of their love for him? Why does his ability to perceive these things not resonate with Hebrews 11:1?

We know everything about. We know how fast it travels, we also know we can measure its intensity in decibels.
Another thing everyone knows for sure is that the eyes are absolutely unneeded to perceive sound. Thus, there is no rationale for anyone to dispute the possibility that a blind man can hear sound.
A blind man can also feel the heat of the sun on a scorching afternoon.

About love, even people who have eyes sometimes struggle to be convinced that they are loved much less a blind man so what's the point here?
Anyway, a blind man can become convinced of the love of people in his life by their actions towards him.
This isn't blind faith.
Why are you sure that time is emergent. On what is this conviction based?
Faith comes by hearing; so says the Bible. How did your belief that time is emergent come about. What did you hear?

The distinction between past, present and future is only a persistent illusion. (Albert Einstein)

Ranchhoddas:
We know everything about. We know how fast it travels, we also know we can measure its intensity in decibels.
Another thing everyone knows for sure is that the eyes are absolutely unneeded to perceive sound. Thus, there is no rationale for anyone to dispute the possibility that a blind man can hear sound.
A blind man can also feel the heat of the sun on a scorching afternoon.

About love, even people who have eyes sometimes struggle to be convinced that they are loved much less a blind man so what's the point here?
Anyway, a blind man can become convinced of the love of people in his life by their actions towards him.
This isn't blind faith.
Why are you sure that time is emergent. On what is this conviction based?
Faith comes by hearing; so says the Bible. How did your belief that time is emergent come about. What did you hear?

You are very correct, of course. The eyes are not needed to perceive sound or heat or vibration or any number of other stimuli that the physical body can experience apart from sight.

I would add that we don't even need to know all that stuff about sound as you know quite well. Well before we had technology to measure sound in decibels, blind men navigated the world by hearing, feeling, smelling, tasting and other means as well.

All you have said here only goes to show that we have different senses for perceiving different realities. In the absence of one or more, there are others which may compensate.

Faith is a spiritual sense. It is the means by which we perceive spiritual realities which are utterly inaccessible to our other senses. In the same way that your eyes cannot perceive sound, none of your physical senses can perceive spiritual realities. This is what "things not seen" means. What it does not mean though is that we cannot know [this or that] for sure any more than a blind man cannot know [this or that] for sure just because he cannot see. In the same way that a blind man can perceive the world around him through other senses, we can perceive the spiritual realities around us through Faith. And as you have said, Faith is a response to hearing God's Testimony. If you reject God's Testimony, it is similar to essentially systematically destroying all of your physical senses so that you can no longer perceive physical realities. Like being physically dead.

That is why there is such a notion as being spiritually dead. It means that your ability to perceive spiritual realities has been summarily discarded by you. Therefore, anything that may be said about the spiritual is nonsense to you since it is utterly imperceptible to you in every way. It may also compare to insanity where even though a person is physically alive, they lack the ability to correctly perceive and interpret the world around them.

As to what I heard, in Genesis 1:1, we learn that "to begin [everything], God created the heavens and the earth". That is, He created time, space and energy because He created a beginning and heavens and earth which together form the totality of the universe.

Ihedinobi3:

You are very correct, of course. The eyes are not needed to perceive sound or heat or vibration or any number of other stimuli that the physical body can experience apart from sight.

I would add that we don't even need to know all that stuff about sound as you know quite well. Well before we had technology to measure sound in decibels, blind men navigated the world by hearing, feeling, smelling, tasting and other means as well.

All you have said here only goes to show that we have different senses for perceiving different realities. In the absence of one or more, there are others which may compensate.

Faith is a spiritual sense. It is the means by which we perceive spiritual realities which are utterly inaccessible to our other senses. In the same way that your eyes cannot perceive sound, none of your physical senses can perceive spiritual realities. This is what "things not seen" means. What it does not mean though is that we cannot know [this or that] for sure any more than a blind man cannot know [this or that] for sure just because he cannot see. In the same way that a blind man can perceive the world around him through other senses, we can perceive the spiritual realities around us through Faith. And as you have said, Faith is a response to hearing God's Testimony. If you reject God's Testimony, it is similar to essentially systematically destroying all of your physical senses so that you can no longer perceive physical realities. Like being physically dead.

That is why there is such a notion as being spiritually dead. It means that your ability to perceive spiritual realities has been summarily discarded by you. Therefore, anything that may be said about the spiritual is nonsense to you since it is utterly imperceptible to you in every way. It may also compare to insanity where even though a person is physically alive, they lack the ability to correctly perceive and interpret the world around them.

As to what I heard, in Genesis 1:1, we learn that "to begin [everything], God created the heavens and the earth". That is, He created time, space and energy because He created a beginning and heavens and earth which together form the totality of the universe.

Faith is a spiritual sense. Every sense as I know is connected to an organ. What organ is this sense you call faith connected to?
Perhaps I can attempt to revive mine.

Ranchhoddas:
Faith is a spiritual sense. Every sense as I know is connected to an organ. What organ is this sense you call faith connected to?
Perhaps I can attempt to revive mine.

As I said, it is a spiritual sense.

Ihedinobi3:
As I said, it is a spiritual sense.

An imaginary sense?

Ranchhoddas:
An imaginary sense?

Are the two words synonyms in your dictionary?

Ihedinobi3:

Are the two words synonyms in your dictionary?

There's no spiritual in my dictionary.
Help me with some synonyms if you will.

Ranchhoddas:
There's no spiritual in my dictionary.
Help me with some synonyms if you will.

I'm afraid I can't. It would just be an exercise in futility. You could get a better dictionary or you could just move on to more interesting, comprehensible things.