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Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by bobowaja(m): 6:49am On Dec 03, 2018 |
nellynonso:Bros no tell me say the sarcasm escaped you. Pls read again slowly. I am mocking them. 1 Like |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by whizbee(m): 6:58am On Dec 03, 2018 |
HigherEd: that's one beautiful argument/resolution...#intelligent |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by lele007: 7:42am On Dec 03, 2018 |
bobowaja: Yes, why should the government build schools, hospitals or roads, or do anything when there are churches? Why should we have social security protections when there are churches? Why should people hold their failing government to account, when they can instead blame the pastors, all those many pastors? Afterall, doesn't the Bible say good roads cometh from the church? Yes. Yes! Let the churches come and explain why they have not provided all the amenities of civilized countries since all these years, are they mad? Yes are they mad?!!! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by lele007: 7:50am On Dec 03, 2018 |
wis3: What if the Pharaohs of Egypt had fed fat all their poor instead of building mind blowing pyramids and temples? Where would Egyptians get their tourism billions from today, the hot desert? You guys think you're being high minded, but you're puny minded. So christians should live like rats because of the poor, but only unbelievers can build whatever they like? Dey there. Pepper Satan gang is moving ahead. |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by lele007: 7:54am On Dec 03, 2018 |
spongeisback: Go and start your own religion, since Christians are your problem |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by josephcletus(m): 9:04am On Dec 03, 2018 |
I would take Christianity in Nigeria seriously once again if: 1. I see a "daddy G.O" sharing tracts on the road. NB: Steadily for every program. Not that he would share today and then not share tomorrow, cos the way I see members trekking their lives out in this harsh weather sharing what I don't know, it baffles me. big time. 2. I see a "daddy G.O" trek long distance under the same harsh weather carrying out evangelism. please, don't get deceived by the ones they do once in a month. Core Evangelism is the primary assignment of EVERY Christian. 3. If I see the "Government of a church" , accepting Christians of other denominations. Before you bash me, A senior brethren of one "big university owned by a church" (established in 2005; a big clue right?) told a brethren of another denomination not to waste his time applying for a job in there, stating the OBVIOUS that they would only employ their members..... I almost fainted. 4. If a "daddy G.O" or a senior Pastor/Cleric live the life of a commoner. By that, I mean the "below-average" members of their community. You gave your members something like apron to cover their little "okirika" , yet you ride in a bulletproof car?. Wehdon Sir. So Jesus Christ was superman in Man's form that rode on donkey even when he knew he had his enemies around abi ![]() 5. If and only If they avoid our Politicians.( You know what I mean.). opps..... I'm not talking about speaking against them. You should know what I mean I can go on and on....but I need to stop here by saying SOME OF OUR RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE ENJOYING THE BENEFIT OF WHAT THEY DIDN'T WORK FOR, AND WHAT THEY CAN'T REPLICATE.... |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by lele007: 9:11am On Dec 03, 2018 |
josephcletus: Josephcletus 5 conditions. You seem like the type to give God your conditions for going to heaven :-) |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by Psoul(m): 9:16am On Dec 03, 2018 |
wis3: What if what you are assuming here is there other way round ¿ |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by desiredhome: 10:00am On Dec 03, 2018 |
seguno2:What are you saying? |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by princfred(m): 10:13am On Dec 03, 2018 |
tamethem:Being doctor, Lawyers, Judges, Professors , Engineers, Politicians of high caliber. Soldiers etc etc etc. "(Right thinking people)" does not automatically imply they cant be socially gullible and irresponsible. When a Russian came to Nigeria with MMM was is not those you mentioned that patronized them and got duped too? Infact there is a threshold which many in the academia gets to and starts losing touch with reality thereby becoming delusionally bent due to dealing with utopic hypthesis for too long. Also, go to the rural arears and see that members are wretched. Being poor or helping the poor is not a big deal abi but Jesus emphasized so much on that. To even say that shows how out of touch you are with Christly orientation. You read where Jesus said in the Bible " The poor you will always have among you" He knows there will always be poor people in the church,...but you didn't read what he said and implied should be done about and for them as a primary function of the church and you think you are wise. How can I blame you, cherry picking Bible verses for selfish purpose is what you learnt practically from your pastors so what else is expected of you and others like you to manifest in the society? Those countries you mentioned had their Churches doing same things we advocate here for so long (even now) even towards other continent that it became imbibed as a culture in their citizens reducing their level of poverty as their people manifested similar orientation when in government. Copy capitalism without the complimentary orientation and culture inculcated in the people by their brand of Christianity to give the capitalism a humane face and expect society to improve. Una phony. Well, from all you wrote, I guess una brand of Christianity is mainly of/for individual selfishness not necessarily improving and impacting society. To make black individual set iselfishness aside embrace society enhancement ideology is like separating goat and yam. Enjoy your self imposed gullibility but as long as its done in the name of our lord, we will always speak biblical truth to power if e pain you and them, they should rename their Church to club so we know the true Christians. Stop using the name of our lord for personal churchprenorship. Even politicains and political assembly have a showcase of flashy cars; look are Happy , Radiant looking people, Comfortable people who are from different languages and cultures of the world and what have you. If that is mainly what your church is about then we dont know its difference from political parties. |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by josephcletus(m): 10:14am On Dec 03, 2018 |
lele007: lol. not that jor. The thing is, Christianity as a religion in Nigeria, is something that i can't understand anymore.. The best is: Establish a sound personal relationship with your Creator, do what is good/right, and stay away from evil...........and also try to make the world a better place... let's make the earth the "HEAVEN WE ALL WANT". |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by josephcletus(m): 10:17am On Dec 03, 2018 |
princfred: You are on point. Seriously 1 Like |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by princfred(m): 10:40am On Dec 03, 2018 |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by lele007: 10:41am On Dec 03, 2018 |
josephcletus: See, when I got newly born again I had my issues with "religion" and stuff, it's normal. But I had to ask myself this: if I don't join a church so that my offerings and tithes can support the gospel, how am I better than all the people whose offerings and tithes brought this gospel to me? And you know complaining never solved anything. The last thing Jesus emphasized when he was leaving was "Go and preach" If we are not preaching the least we can do is support those who are. Anything less comes from the devil my brother. Jesus said, "he who does not gather with me, scatters" 1 Like |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by princfred(m): 10:47am On Dec 03, 2018 |
lele007:Thesame Jesus also talked about pulling down the wrong Church and old ways to make a right one. Above all, not just picking his last message, Jesus emphasized giving out to the poor on a mega scale and the apostles regularly shared out almost entire contributions to the poor to that and didnt gather for themselves. Are we not even reading thesame Bible? |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by lele007: 10:57am On Dec 03, 2018 |
princfred: "Stop using the name of our lord.." Lol. Did he complain to you? Why don't you go and help those poor you are so concerned about, or is this your ranting feeding anybody? Or you expect someone else to help the poor for "our" lord? Lol. |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by josephcletus(m): 10:59am On Dec 03, 2018 |
lele007: talk well said. I'm not struggling with comprehending my faith. The problem is, Those who are called to serve aren't doing "enough" to justify their presence in the ministry. That is all I'm against. It's happening everywhere, even in my own christian community, and funny enough, most persons aren't condemning the evil done by these men. These self acclaimed men of God turn themselves into the centre of worship/attraction, such that they pull the greatest crowd in their "once-in-a-month/yearl" program l, without emphasizing on the need for the small basic community worship Also, they STARVE the children of God with his word. By so doing, they act like all is well and preach on what they aren't suppose to discuss at all, leaving out the basic. That is why we are adopting new systems in our church..... And there came a man of God who was trying to point out that "Abortion" isn't a sin.... Please, if you are not preaching and you wish to support those who are, STOP SUPPORTING IF YOU SEE THEY HAVE ENOUGH. Someone who doesn't have a tricycle of his own (with all due respect to those who hustle legitimately with "keke", God bless our hustle one day) is supporting someone with a private jet with all is last card ? your bank account reads 5k, you are supporting someone who is worth millions of dollars ? you close your shop for 3days in the name of camping, that won't stop their account from reading "+". If you can't live just the way Christ did, then don't call yourself a Christian. That is my point 1 Like |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by princfred(m): 11:01am On Dec 03, 2018 |
lele007:Change !!! Or read what Christ preached, apostles did and missionaries did and weep. Free the sheeple and stop deceiving them with cherry picked Bible verses in the name of our Lord. There is hell! |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by josephcletus(m): 11:06am On Dec 03, 2018 |
princfred: As a matter of fact, those set of people mentioned would still have traces of corrupt money. Is it the doctor who billed 150k instead of 15k to save life that would donate 100k and still say he is "serving God"? or the Politician whose main focus is to give his Generation assurance of millions ? or the lawyer ? Law wetin sef ? mtcheew..... let's not even go there soldiers ? Soldiers that joined because of the unemployment rate in Nigeria ?/ Even the " Church of Satan " has elites and influential people there. .. |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by princfred(m): 11:08am On Dec 03, 2018 |
josephcletus:You have said it all only ...plus.... and they have the guts to push peeople to a government they know very well is more interested in themselves if they(the people) cough the wrong way while asking them (the church) to do the Christianity as it was and written. Infact i wont comment again due to this your post being enough for whoever cares to understand. |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by princfred(m): 11:11am On Dec 03, 2018 |
josephcletus:It's a case of misfocus and mis-priority. But some peoples brain have been programmed over tiime to work like that in defense of something very simple - clutching at straws and yarning dust. |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by josephcletus(m): 11:17am On Dec 03, 2018 |
princfred: I wish I understood better |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by josephcletus(m): 11:17am On Dec 03, 2018 |
princfred: as in ehn..... |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by lele007: 2:31pm On Dec 03, 2018 |
josephcletus: I feel you bro. There are wolves in sheep's clothing, have always been and will be till Jesus comes; we can't purge them, or he would have told us to. They will always find 'market' in the world. But about the poor, believe this: a dirt poor person who shares his bowl of soaked garri or his 2 kobo will have greater reward than some of these super rich who hand out huge donations out of millions in the account. Remember the widow's mite. I know God knows what he's doing; when he's done on judgement day everybody will clap for him. Let's focus on running our race |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by josephcletus(m): 4:44pm On Dec 03, 2018 |
lele007:I feel you Sir. but you would get your reward if : 1. You are giving selflessly without expecting anything in return. 2. By giving, you reach out to someone who "appears to have none" either a preacher or whoever. Christ in the form of man appeared humble even when he wanted a favour from someone. Materially, He appeared just like person he wanted the favour from. . Again, you are putting on a bend-down-select (Respect to everyone who sells or patronises them; me self dey follow wear), and you said you are giving to a Pastor who wears 300k cooperate wear. .. Abeg, if you be Christ, I dey sure say to bless any of them sef no go hungry you 3. By giving, you glorify the name of the lord or his works.. For crying out loud, Jesus Christ reached out to many persons in need. NB; He performed miracles to even support his empty pocket (in the form of man)... Since these men can't perform miracles to multiply food or our basics, then they can "show love" by doing the needful. Not his works of the multimillion naira project. |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by Nobody: 7:33pm On Dec 03, 2018 |
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Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by lanvic12(m): 11:16am On Dec 04, 2018 |
Uyi168: Follow what is not useless and let’s both see the result when we die ...at least less than 500 years the truth will be review thanks |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by Uyi168: 12:23pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
lanvic12:...when u die, the thing go shock u.. |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by MRAKPORS(m): 12:32pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
Looove is magic Speechless, speechless, that's all I can say... |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by Xavier5(m): 10:40pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
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Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by lanvic12(m): 10:16am On Dec 05, 2018 |
Uyi168: Best of luck bro ..Jesus still love you |
Re: Questions For People Against Big Church Buildings In Nigeria by Martinez19(m): 11:21am On Dec 05, 2018 |
HigherEd:You arguments put forward indirectly by your questions assume that the god of the bible exists and that the bible is valid. Your arguments are therefore based on false premises therefore it can hold no ground in reality. If realistic and logical arguments show that pastors are criminals and peddlers of falsehoods then it is so. 1 Like |
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