want2knowben:


You go investigate the claims, if you suspect them to be false.

[s] That you can translate the Torah correctly by vowelising the consonants to yield Yoruba words, that match the accounts of the Bible and even yield additional information that was missed in KJV translation (because they didn't understand Yoruba/Hebrew enough) is proof enough. No other unfabricated living language is able to do that. Paleo-Hebrew is the Yoruba's ancient script. It is also called the Samaritan script. The people who own the language are the same people who have the traditions and customs.[/s]

If that does not convince you, try your hand at vowelising the Torah to yield your language of choice and bring it back here to share with us!

want2knowben:


...... and you ignore this part of his post:

want2knowben:


1. Did you miss the bit where I told you Jesus/Yeshua/Eisu/Eshu is not foreign to the Yoruba?

2. I acknowledge that Christianity and Islam are from the Yoruba religion. Or do you just like arguing for the sake of it?

3. Or are you just angry that YeHoWah who is the owner of all languages bypassed you and all your Professors to give the accurate decoding of Paleo-Hebrew to a non-professor? Learning requires openmindedness, my 'lost' brother.

I am proud to be an oYOiRUaBAoore(of the Hii-aBa-ooRe translated as Hebrew by the English), called by Oba Adeda Aseda Ameda to be set apart!

want2knowben:


Thanks. My intentions are to share what I know or I am researching and that's why I didn't follow arguments I identified as blind. It is such a shame that many of our educated people limit their learning to what their 'Professors' say/found. This is why there is hardly any innovation coming out of Nigerian academic institutions. They have become places to learn what is obsolete in today's society. Scholarly academic works (home and abroad) keep showing there are links between the Yoruba and the Ancient Hebrews but only a Non-academic decided to go outside the boundaries, and he found the supposedly dead language of the Ancient Hebrews was still well alive spoken by the Yorubas.

Mama Sikira the Hairdresser and Biodun the Tailor keep inventing new hair and dress Styles every few months but we fail to teach and encourage genius and invention in our schools. Even the Slaves found time to invent 'technology'. Everyone young or old, educated or not has the ability and right to be able to think outside the box.

OlaoChi:


Yet the aforementioned elements are never taken into consideration, made clear when the fraudster said his conclusions are not "consistent with logical learning" rather blind faith of course it is what else?

Or do tell what part of. The oral, written, artwork, spirituality, esoteric cults, religion, cuisine, language, priesthood, kingship, articles of statehood, philosophies like Omoluabi, proverbs and folklores, genetic and immune system, clothing and styling, war and weapons, and so on and so forth. of the Yoruba produce a single evidence of Hebrew origin?
Do Yoruba have oral histories of coming from Israel? Or are there any Yoruba cults that perform Hebrew rituals
Do Yoruba eat Hebrew food? Do Yoruba worship yahweh?
Is kingship in yorubaland formed after the kingship of Isreal?
Are there genetic haplogroups found in Semitic people dominant in yorubas?
Do Yoruba dress like Hebrews?

MetaPhysical:



Those who should grab the ingenuity and multiply its effect are stuck in a rat race, competing and looking for new ways to outshine one another in Euro-centric customs and philosophies. If you want to see them in action, open a thread to analyze any of the Shakespeare's plays, and watch how they soon congregate and blow grammar and pat each other on back about the author. To them Mama Sikira is an illiterate, her rare and artistic stylings were not written about by Skakespeare and is unworthy of their time. Show Ogunde, Ladipo, Ogunmola performing a Yoruba play….our professors of history and language will question the use of rituals and misrepresentation of culture because it is divergent from European and so is backward. They will criticize Ladipo breathing fire to portray Sango and demean it as diabolical. Followup on that and show them Matrix and how Keanu Reeves bend the element to dodge bullets....show them Harry Potter and the Sorcerer....or even Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. Their excitement will know no bounds….

Harry Potter became an overnight success because the ingenuity of his plays has multiplying effects. Behind the scenes he is replaying what Yoruba has taken to stage as far back as 1950s and even earlier. Duro Ladipo took Oba Koso to Germany in 1964 and breathed fire on stage and they loved it, they did not criticize it. That success opened new doors for him to tour London, Paris, Switzerland, Brazil, America. Here at home our professors ridicule his value to society. Today, Yoruba has no library of arts or endowments dedicated to preservation of works by the likes of Ogunde, Ladipo and rest. We do not have the structure to reproduce and sustain their creativity. So why do we have Professors of History and Linguistics? Of what benefit are they to our society?

I must stress again, just share what you can. In fact I will admonish you not to share all...keep the most valuable of your findings and research work close to your breast and cherish them away from Nairaland, for interaction amongst higher intellectuals that can appreciate, maybe not necessarily agree....but they are awakened by it nonetheless.

0balufonlll:


Evidently, you believe in the data contained in the Bible as true/facts. You first of all need to study the Historiography and the History of the Bible respectively then maybe you'll tweak your argument. Also, see the screen shots below on some of what early scholars said in regards to your standpoint. You may get some of the book cited (if you can/want), read them for further knowledge or to further develop your argument.

macof:


ok this is just clownish. Even i can clown but this is overboard to a high degree of dishonesty.

ObalufonIII and I, are known to represent everything authentic yoruba on this forum. I am yet to see a better moniker... this your 'eurocentric' allegation is not only ridiculously far-fetched but actually hypocritical, i mean how does a person who is so swayed by foreign beliefs to the extent of trying to reconcile his 'kafir' and 'pagan' yoruba ancestry to his foreign religion accusing people who are traditionally grounded on bashing traditional stuff What traditional knowledge do you possess? what traditional activity do you perform?
imagine you compare your nonsense to the works of Duro Ladipo and Ogunde. Where on this forum have you mentioned yoruba strictly to portray yoruba in its glory without references to arabs or other semitic people as if to imply the yoruba cannot be relevant without them?

You are distorting everything yoruba and turning history, traditions and language up side down and still want to claim to stand for the very identity you want to supplant and replace with a semitic based one? of course you cant succeed but how many people will you mislead eventually? how many people who have a growing urge to reconnect to their Yoruba traditions due to not being knowledgeable will be deceived by your fake persona of standing for Yoruba?



You can never know the benefit of historians and linguists because you do not appreciate history or linguistics. you claim to have knowledge of yoruba origin based on language similarity of which you have listed several examples but absolutely none after years of looking for semitic words in yoruba language, are a result of any methodology
you said Aramean is Oranmiyan...how? what is the corrolation? do they have similar meanings, do they make up the same root words when broken down? no follow up, no re-testable method used to arrive at this conclusion because you lack the skills of a proper linguist...yet you sit somewhere trying to trash talk your betters

imagine someone who claims to be interested in origin of a people who asks whats the benefit of historians and linguists?

imagine 1 million people like this in yorubaland, the entire yoruba identity will be lost in no time...that is probably the aim anyway

OlaoChi:


I have investigated and all such claims are false. Macof has already debunked all your claims on this thread so what again are you holding on to if not illogical faith?

Interesting enough, Yoruba language and Japanese can be stretched well enough to propose a connection even better than this Hebrew - Yoruba nonsense

OlaoChi:


I have investigated and all such claims are false. Macof has already debunked all your claims on this thread so what again are you holding on to if not illogical faith?

Interesting enough, Yoruba language and Japanese can be stretched well enough to propose a connection even better than this Hebrew - Yoruba nonsense

OlaoChi:


I have investigated and all such claims are false. Macof has already debunked all your claims on this thread so what again are you holding on to if not illogical faith?

Interesting enough, Yoruba language and Japanese can be stretched well enough to propose a connection even better than this Hebrew - Yoruba nonsense

macof:

1. i dont even know why i bother because i know you have no answers but, let me still ask... what are the connecting points in the life of jesus and that of Esu?
bare in mind that you need to know Esu as much as you know Jesus, where his home was, his oriki, his friends/disciples(or lack thereof), his death, his birth, his miracles, his mischief and smarts(or lack thereof), his ascension(or lack of such) the etymological meaning of Esu and how it relates to that of Jesus to claim Esu and Jesus are the same person

So there since you wanted me to address your Esu/Jesus point so bad...but of course i know what your next post will be like (ie. ignoring the questions)

OlaoChi:


Yet the aforementioned elements are never taken into consideration, made clear when the fraudster said his conclusions are not "consistent with logical learning" rather blind faith of course it is what else?

Or do tell what part of The oral, written, artwork, spirituality, esoteric cults, religion, cuisine, language, priesthood, kingship, articles of statehood, philosophies like Omoluabi, proverbs and folklores, genetic and immune system, clothing and styling, war and weapons, and so on and so forth. of the Yoruba produce a single evidence of Hebrew origin?
Do Yoruba have oral histories of coming from Israel? Or are there any Yoruba cults that perform Hebrew rituals
Do Yoruba eat Hebrew food? Do Yoruba worship yahweh?
Is kingship in yorubaland formed after the kingship of Isreal?
Are there genetic haplogroups found in Semitic people dominant in yorubas?
Do Yoruba dress like Hebrews?

0balufonlll:


Evidently, you believe in the data contained in the Bible as true/facts. You first of all need to study the Historiography and the History of the Bible respectively then maybe you'll tweak your argument. Also, see the screen shots below on some of what early scholars said in regards to your standpoint. You may get some of the book cited (if you can/want), read them for further knowledge or to further develop your argument.

macof:

.........

2. Ok..but you still choose christianity over the original? wonderful!

3. quality comedy, i would laugh if this wasnt so stupid to be coming from a so called yoruba person....P.s oh! you actually are not

4. I see, so you are not yoruba but oYOiRUaBAoore(of the [i]Hii-aBa-ooRe... I have never met anyone like that, must be a new ethnicity
is insanity a norm to your people? even the name screams 'NOT WELL'

0balufonlll:



I agree with the tectonic movements and climatic change along with their attendant consequences on human migration across Yorubaland. I also agree that, Yorubaland/W.Africa has been peopled for millenia. I agree with all of that. I should also add that I agree with your other postulations and the periodization of Yoruba history into pre-Oduduwa and Oduduwa era.

While I agree that Yoruba peoples may have migrated from the Nok/River Niger area, I should however add that your theory of Ile-Ife of today not being the original one is closely related to what Prof. Ade Obayemi has pursued forever. The pages of the journal, written by Robin Horton, from which I posted the screen-shots have however disputed this theory based on the 'new evidences' that came up several years ago. I could share the journal article with you. It is in my dropbox, I'll just post a link from which you download it or you could get it from Jstor - Horton, R., Ancient Ife: A Reassessment, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4, 1979.



Your theory here is very interesting. However, since scholars and laymen alike agree that festivals contain ritual dramas and re-enactments of past historical events and as such can be regarded as veritable sources of History, then it is safe to say that a careful assessment of the festivals attributed to the culture heroes you've listed (Oduduwa, Obatala, Obalufon & the rest) depict local origins for them and not a foreign origin has your theory here presents. They were not migrants - the re-enactments of certain aspects of the festivals and lineages they left behind are tied to certain places and some excavated materials. You may just need to study the extant literatures on these festivals or participate in the festivals for first hand experience. Scholars (and non-scholars alike) are well aware that the reason why many people ascribe Near East origins to Yoruba culture heroes of local origin is because of Samuel Johnson's work and Law, R. C. C., has done an interesting work on placing Johnson's work in proper perspective as an 'Oyo Propaganda' in The Heritage of Oduduwa: Traditional History and Political Propaganda among the Yoruba, Journal of African History, Vol. 14, No. 2. 1973. Several Yoruba towns have written their own versions of 'Ife history' with Johnson's work serving as a foundational framework. Nonetheless, while several of these work 'agree' with Johnson's work, you'll find that they begin to contradict each other and struggle to place one another above Johnson/Oyo. A case in point is the work written by Agunlejika, titled Ijesa Chronicles: An Historiographic Tribute.

Like I have always said (earlier Historians have said it too), early Ife History is NOT Yoruba history. Yoruba history began with the dispersal of 'princes' from Ile-Ife at Ita-Ajero from where they went off to found new kingdoms. And as such, the other Yoruba towns can not provide a proper narrative of Ife history - Oyo and Johnson fall in this category.

want2knowben:


You are missing the point which is that the 'Jewish' have taken on an identity which is not theirs. (Try reading 'The invention of the Jewish People' and 'The Thirteenth Tribe', to start with). They took on the identity of a people displaced from their land by War and persecution. The 'Jews' admit they are no blood relations of Israel; they are converts. African Americans are testing their haplogroups and some results are linking to the Yoruba with Haplogroups identified as being of Jacob's descendants.

Try this: The Igbos are recognised as being 'Jews' by Israel. Now apply your 7 questions to the Igbo. Now apply the same 7 questions to the Falasha Jews of Ethiopia, majority of whom were evacuated to Israel.

The descendants of the victims of the transatlantic slave trade outside of Africa today, do they eat the food the ancestors took with them on those slave ships? I heard they travelled First Class with 300kg baggage allowance each! Or could it be possible that the slaves settled down in their new countries and ate and planted what was available there? Or were their brothers sending Stockfish and Akpu by DHL?

0balufonlll:


Indeed it is. Prof. Horton, although a foreigner, did a very solid job in the paper. In fact, he mentioned certain things in that article which made me wonder if this man was Yoruba.

I must state that I am confused by this statement of yours ' I do not believe that the Yoruba or all peoples emanated from present-day Ife via the 'chicken and sand' route , especially since I am a Bible believer'. If you believe in the 'magico-spiritual' narratives spread across the bible, then why is the chicken and sand difficult for you to believe? The stories in the bible and the chicken story are in the same class - they're myths. Besides, I should ask, have you read studies on Bible history? This may help you re-assess your 'believe' in the bible.

Lastly, you (& I) must understand that Ife early history is wrapped in cock & bull stories such as the chicken and sand theory. Why? Because Ile-Ife is an agglomeration of lineages founded by several of these Orisas so

1. each lineage fabricates stories to sell their 'product' as the foremost. For instance, the chicken and sand story isn't the only one. Orunmila has his own creation story where he created the world and not Oduduwa; there is the creation story where Olokun features prominently; there is a creation story featuring Oramfe as the creator; there is the creation story of Obatala actually creating the world without getting drunk. Again, the sand and chicken story is the most popular because Samuel Johnson filled the void of a written Yoruba history and everyone latched on to it.

2. Orisa are defied culture heroes in Ile-Ife while in other Yoruba towns, they are largely spiritual entities with their historical essence taken out. For instance, Obatala festival does not feature Obameri festival in other Yoruba towns like it does in Ife; Oduduwa festival does not feature Oduduwa's eventual murder in other places like it does in Ife; Ogun festival in Ife is solely based on how Ogun was usurped and expelled, it is not so in other Yoruba towns and so on. Conversely, you'll see that deities that are not of Ife origina lack pomp, value & followership. In fact, such deities are usually rated & treated as 'second class' - Sango is a good example. In Oyo it is massive, here, outside of Babalawo or Ifa initiates whose Odus require Sango invocation, you'll rarely find Sango anywhere. It is the same for Esu and so on. As a result of this, Ife is made up of an interconnectedness & inter-group relations of warring & neutral factions of culture heroes who continue to lay claims to spaces founded by these culture heroes.

3. Apart from wanting to out do each other with captivating and alluring mythical stories, the tales like chicken & sand one also serves the purpose of 1. Blurring the blotted parts of the history of the culture heroes that founded some of these lineages. 2. To also shroud the activities of these lineages from each other. For example: the Oduduwa group coined a story of Oduduwa using chain to descend for creation, rather, the chain is connected to his murder. If you go to Oduduwa temple/compound today, there is a tiny hole dug deep into the ground through which libations and votive materials are given to Oduduwa. Rather than declare his murder and the return of the throne to the Obatala group, they decided to spin the story to glorify their father and lineage. If anyone is in doubt, they can research the 'iteni ota' aspect of Odun Oduduwa.

Baba, it is important for us to see that our ancestors have historical essence to them. I think the problem is that many of us think these Orisas are spiritual without any aspact of human life & activities to them. It is the same ignorance that makes people ascribe chiefpriest role to the Ooni because Ife is filled with compounds of Orisas with festivals done daily without knowing that these Orisas are family properties and their businesses are handled by their respective families.

Cheers baba, laters.

0balufonlll:

While I agree that Yoruba peoples may have migrated from the Nok/River Niger area, I should however add that your theory of Ile-Ife of today not being the original one is closely related to what Prof. Ade Obayemi has pursued forever. The pages of the journal, written by Robin Horton, from which I posted the screen-shots have however disputed this theory based on the 'new evidences' that came up several years ago. I could share the journal article with you. It is in my dropbox, I'll just post a link from which you download it or you could get it from Jstor - Horton, R., Ancient Ife: A Reassessment, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4, 1979.



Your theory here is very interesting. However, since scholars and laymen alike agree that festivals contain ritual dramas and re-enactments of past historical events and as such can be regarded as veritable sources of History, then it is safe to say that a careful assessment of the festivals attributed to the culture heroes you've listed (Oduduwa, Obatala, Obalufon & the rest) depict local origins for them and not a foreign origin has your theory here presents. They were not migrants - the re-enactments of certain aspects of the festivals and lineages they left behind are tied to certain places and some excavated materials. You may just need to study the extant literatures on these festivals or participate in the festivals for first hand experience. Scholars (and non-scholars alike) are well aware that the reason why many people ascribe Near East origins to Yoruba culture heroes of local origin is because of Samuel Johnson's work and Law, R. C. C., has done an interesting work on placing Johnson's work in proper perspective as an 'Oyo Propaganda' in The Heritage of Oduduwa: Traditional History and Political Propaganda among the Yoruba, Journal of African History, Vol. 14, No. 2. 1973. Several Yoruba towns have written their own versions of 'Ife history' with Johnson's work serving as a foundational framework. Nonetheless, while several of these work 'agree' with Johnson's work, you'll find that they begin to contradict each other and struggle to place one another above Johnson/Oyo. A case in point is the work written by Agunlejika, titled Ijesa Chronicles: An Historiographic Tribute.

Like I have always said (earlier Historians have said it too), early Ife History is NOT Yoruba history. Yoruba history began with the dispersal of 'princes' from Ile-Ife at Ita-Ajero from where they went off to found new kingdoms. And as such, the other Yoruba towns can not provide a proper narrative of Ife history - Oyo and Johnson fall in this category.

MetaPhysical:



You take any ancient Hebrew root word and vowelize it, it magically turns into Yoruba...right there in your face. The truth is self-bearing, it does not to be sold to people. We have gone through this exercise here many many many times. People are hardened to what was taught them, and are afraid of opening their conscience to fly beyond the limits of the mind. We must sympathize with them, not force or deny their fears.

macof:
lmao. funny how the hebrew word for catastrophe is "shoah" (שואה) a clear usage of the "sh" sound.
rather than make ridiculous claims, why not post a semitic linguists report on hebrew language not having the feature you say. Because so far you have no sources

lmao God has nothing to do with linguistics and history. leave religion out of those..its apparent that you are one of those whose brain has been fried by foreign religions.
Another example of the destructive nature of these religions in africa

Olu317:


If one vowelize Hebrew root word, does not necessarily give you a Yoruba meaning but to vowelize the Yoruba alphabet's makes it more intriguing. Take for instance, there is an ancient Hebrew word called Reish/Resh is represented by a picture of a ‘HEAD'. This head is represented with one of the alphabet which is Hebrew letter “ ר " for "resh", and letter “ R" in English alphabet. Its comparison with its Yoruba's interpretation of letter, ‘R' as Ri— and understanding its evolution to ‘ORI', is beautiful to behold ........

OlaoChi:
Do Yoruba have oral histories of coming from Israel? Or are there any Yoruba cults that perform Hebrew rituals
Do Yoruba eat Hebrew food? Do Yoruba worship yahweh?
Is kingship in yorubaland formed after the kingship of Isreal?
Are there genetic haplogroups found in Semitic people dominant in yorubas?
Do Yoruba dress like Hebrews?

Simple questions. If the answer to any of these questions is no, then your Hebrew claims should be thrown out to the trash at the slightest sight of it. If you want to address these points do so with references and academic/traditional sources not more claims
@metaphysical @want2knowben :

lx3as:


See, Yorubas do not have just one history or migration but seem to be the same people.

In my own 'Omo Owa' family, ram is very important for male child (particularly first born) and his marriage; this is so the same with Abrahamic period. Now if you can't afford ram, cock is used.

The story of 'akehinde gbegbon' is also so close to Jacob and Esau's story.

The story of 'Moremi and Eti' is simply that of Mary and Jesus. Furthermore, how she saved her people from Ugbo people is linked with salvation stories, Holy Mary or even Arabian Mariam story.

Yorubas name their kids on 7/8th day of their birth.

My findings so far are that:

Yorubas just like others in Africa except the Khoisan - Bushmen and Hottentots are not native to Africa.

Yorubas were among the first group that came to Africa with superior culture and dressing.

There were several migrations and many many experiences. Many actually settled among other tribes in Chad, Bornu, Zauzau, Kebbi, Adamawa, Delta and around River Benue and Niger confluence.

They were mainly Semitic (Omo Noah bi - respect to Shem, Omo ti Uwa bi, Omo Owa - Oduduwa's children). There are now Traditional, Christianity and Islamic influenced stories/conflicts of Yorubas' history.
We are just holding on to one that promotes our ego.

Original homes and influences:

Mesopotamia
Aramaic
Egypt

*Also Semitic Arabian Oman, Christianity influenced Phoenicians (we actually got our current days - Eti, Abameta and Aiku from this group migration, we originally had 4 days of Ogun, Orunmila, etc), Christian Catarge, Egyptian, Spanish and Morocco Jews, etc. also Yemeni.

Cush
Monroe
Oromo, etc.

However, we are now Yorubas; and there are some of us that do not want us to even trace our history but we're of Ife and Ife alone. They forgot that there are many older places in Yorubaland populated by Landing Atlantis, the first group probably Obatala, Ogun, etc group that shared almost everything with earliest Greeks; also Orunmila, and other Orissa from ancient and earliest Egypt. Many already settled around present Ondo and Ekiti before an organised settlement at Ife. Some came through the sea just like later Phoenicians and others through the East and dessert.

Also there were many other migration from far and near even when Owa's children already in charge in our land.

We can't use one tradition to judge, if I use mine, it points to middle eastern but at the same time the oral tradition in my house gives our ruling house and Quarters in Ife; How my forefathers left Ife with their Crown for a place close to present Bini, then back to Ido Ani to somewhere around Ise Akure, then to Ado and to our present location. Surprisingly, we met people everywhere but our kingship was recognised; some even said we were of Bini Origin so as not to allow us being in charge, this we laughed at.

The tropical regions we find ourselves and 'Awo' stuff really impaired archeological traces of our history. We now rely heavily on oral tradition and egocentric stories, even from the 'Awos'.

OlaoChi:


Nice story you seem to know it all already, yet no references, no evidence. Just more claims

lx3as:


See, Yorubas do not have just one history or migration but seem to be the same people.

In my own 'Omo Owa' family, ram is very important for male child (particularly first born) and his marriage; this is so the same with Abrahamic period. Now if you can't afford ram, cock is used.

The story of 'akehinde gbegbon' is also so close to Jacob and Esau's story.

The story of 'Moremi and Eti' is simply that of Mary and Jesus. Furthermore, how she saved her people from Ugbo people is linked with salvation stories, Holy Mary or even Arabian Mariam story.

Yorubas name their kids on 7/8th day of their birth.

My findings so far are that:

Yorubas just like others in Africa except the Khoisan - Bushmen and Hottentots are not native to Africa.

Yorubas were among the first group that came to Africa with superior culture and dressing.

There were several migrations and many many experiences. Many actually settled among other tribes in Chad, Bornu, Zauzau, Kebbi, Adamawa, Delta and around River Benue and Niger confluence.

They were mainly Semitic (Omo Noah bi - respect to Shem, Omo ti Uwa bi, Omo Owa - Oduduwa's children). There are now Traditional, Christianity and Islamic influenced stories/conflicts of Yorubas' history.
We are just holding on to one that promotes our ego.

Original homes and influences:

Mesopotamia
Aramaic
Egypt

*Also Semitic Arabian Oman, Christianity influenced Phoenicians (we actually got our current days - Eti, Abameta and Aiku from this group migration, we originally had 4 days of Ogun, Orunmila, etc), Christian Catarge, Egyptian, Spanish and Morocco Jews, etc. also Yemeni.

Cush
Monroe
Oromo, etc.

However, we are now Yorubas; and there are some of us that do not want us to even trace our history but we're of Ife and Ife alone. They forgot that there are many older places in Yorubaland populated by Landing Atlantis, the first group probably Obatala, Ogun, etc group that shared almost everything with earliest Greeks; also Orunmila, and other Orissa from ancient and earliest Egypt. Many already settled around present Ondo and Ekiti before an organised settlement at Ife. Some came through the sea just like later Phoenicians and others through the East and dessert.

Also there were many other migration from far and near even when Owa's children already in charge in our land.

We can't use one tradition to judge, if I use mine, it points to middle eastern but at the same time the oral tradition in my house gives our ruling house and Quarters in Ife; How my forefathers left Ife with their Crown for a place close to present Bini, then back to Ido Ani to somewhere around Ise Akure, then to Ado and to our present location. Surprisingly, we met people everywhere but our kingship was recognised; some even said we were of Bini Origin so as not to allow us being in charge, this we laughed at.

The tropical regions we find ourselves and 'Awo' stuff really impaired archeological traces of our history. We now rely heavily on oral tradition and egocentric stories, even from the 'Awos'.

lx3as:


Yes, claim if you said so, I'm not going to argue that. However, can you show me references of where it was published that Yorubas are originally native to Africa compared with these groups, Khoisan - Bushmen and Hottentots.

The earliest culture we were linked with was Nok; even the Bantus were originally from Nok.

OlaoChi:


Of course you can't argue that. So much long talk but no single reference to some well known facts or mention of where you got your knowledge from.
That's how you know bullshit, because everything you said is guess work and a product of your wild imagination


Khoisan are not the only group native to Africa. Africa is large enough to have different sub-racial categories.
Africa has been occupied by humans longer than any other continent, it is after all in Africa that humanity originates from. The only region/people with questionable origin is North Africa which is a region of diverse people ranging from more Black to more Semitic(Arab), but even those who claim arab still have some black ancestors that mixed with the foreign invaders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcxLrIL4eKs
You should check YouTube for more videos of North African Arabs DNA results

Other regions of Africa have ancestors native to the continent

Check out the distribution of the dominant Y-DNA found in Yoruba people en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M2
It is the same dominate DNA all over Africa

Maybe it's because this is a faceless forum that makes you guys so comfortable with displaying your ignorance