NairobiWalker:


gems like Nigerians run business in African countries, the giant of Africa, Nigerians are the most good looking Africans, there are no slums in Nigeria (when we can clearly see them), no one starves in Nigeria (when it's well known Nigeria has one of the highest malnutrition in the world with among the lowest life expectancy). I mean - your brothers wouldn't be believing in such absurdity if there wasn't any blind patriotisim in Nigeria.


I don't get the enthusiasm of Nigerians towards their country either especially considering your economy has been shrinking for the past 5 years.

These 2 more points.

***** Yes, Nigerians starve, but the truth is that this only happens in the case of a civil disturbance like a war or uprising.
The entire landmass of Nigeria is fertile and the cultures of 98% of the population are agragrian.
So, if tens of millions of people farm to produce food year in year out, how practical is it for them to starve? Assess it yourself and judge for yourself.

Boko haram displaced millions of people from their homes, and these people are all farmers. Of course there would be starvation. Outside all this. Starvation is alien to Nigeria.

>>>>> About Nigerian business men running businesses in the continent. (sighs). I can't say, cos I do not know much business related stuff.
South Africans have the largest and most influential businesses in Africa, so, if any one should brag about that, it's them. However, Nigeria has the richest man and some of the richest people in Africa and their business span across the continent. We also have a tribe like the Igbos who are extremely good in business and have apparently developed one of the best apprenticeship system in the world.
These may be the reasons why Nigerians brag about this, but as usual, sometimes it's definitely an exxageration.

++++ That giant of Africa title I guess came about in the 60s when Nigeria truly seemed like the giant of Africa.

I myself do not believe that title and do not see the need for it, cos it's all about bragging.

~~~~ If you think the attitudes of Nigerians on this thread is the daily attitude of most Nigerians, then you must be mistaken. Most Nigerians criticize our country and only a few praise it. The ones here just feel the need to oppose the title of this thread.

Nigerian economy is shrinking, but as long as Nigeria is accepted as the continent's largest economy, expect many to brag about it. However I personally don't see anything special in that, afterall we have the largest population, so, anything short of this would be shameful.

genieluv:


First of all. Let me address the tone of your language. You sound so insultive. You need to stop that if we are going to get into any meaningful discussion to learn from each other.

*****You can see that I left this thread and nairaland as a whole for more than a year, this was because I noticed that this forum started turning me into what I wasn't.
I do not wish to tow that part again, hence please let us refrain from using insultive words on each other, thanks

>>>> Firstly, I have learnt something from your post, and that is 'I shouldn't just pass my judgement with the views of the Kenyans here alone'. I truly have to be in a Kenyan forum with thousands of Kenyans, for me to be able to pass my judgements on how Kenyans criticize their government. That is settled. So, I don't think I will ever ask or talk about Kenyans being so secretive about their political discussions or Kenyans being so optimistic about the progress of their government.

~~~~@ Your first paragraph.
Yeah, I know there was a lot of bigotry in views in my past here and perhaps I need to apologize for those. I do so. I really can't even remember everything I said here or the views I supported more than a year ago.

Some Nigerians on this thread have criticized and berated our government and country, praising Kenya at the same time, including I myself. However, I haven't seen any Kenyan do likewise. Then I wonder who truly shows more blind patriotism between Nigerians and Kenyans.

+*+*+*+ About the points you raised in the first paragraph, beginning with issues of slums. It first of all depends on what we define as slums. If Kibera or Makoko is the basic definition of slums, then truly believe me, Nigeria does not have such (excpet Makoko of course).
However, if the favelas of Rio de Janeiro in Brazil are regarded as slums, then Nigeria has slums, because before unbiased views, there is a very very big difference between what Kibera or Makoko looks like and what the favelas of Brazil look like.

------About skintone, Nigerians and Kenyans should be about the same skin tone. Nigerians may only have more lightskin people because of our population.
Another factor is media presence. For instance, the coastal swahilis and perhaps Somalis should have the lightest skintones in Kenya, but these people are under-represented in Kenyan media, while in Nigeria, the Igbos who tend to have the highest population of lightskinned people dominate Nigerian movie industry.
Kenyan marathon runners are some of the most famous Kenyan people which we all see on Tv and apparently, they are mostly nilotes which tend to be darker skinned than Bantus and others.
As black Africans, We can't really say one group is more good looking than the other cos beauty lies in the eye of the beholder.
••••••••One factor you must consider though is that some cultures tend to value personal grooming than others. Even you Kenyans here have sometime admitted that Nigerians give preference to grooming of looks and appearance. From my point of view, that seems very true! I have observed that Kenyans do not seem to have this grooming culture compared to that of Nigerians and Tanzanians. Perhaps this is the reason why I and some other Nigerians find Tanzanians to be more charming than Kenyans (these are our personal views only).

¤¤¤¤ For example, all Westerners accept the fact that Eastern European women are more beautiful than western European women (you can do some googling on this if you are not aware of the stereotype).
Now, How come this discrepancy when Europeans are of a common stock? This is simply because the wave of feminism did not hit hard on Eastern Europe. Most eastern European women do not have the same mentality with that of western Europe. They believe more in good looks and being very feminine in order to attract a rich man to get married to, while Western women are more of working hard to make their own money to become richer, hence do not give much attention to looks.

I like your reasoning, you're definitely much more exposed that these other Oga noisemakers

You're right about the complexion stereotypes, actually there's no any difference between Nigerians and Kenyans on that...

...those men who likes grooming themselves too much are lazy and weaklings to us

NairobiWalker:


Thank you for at least being logical. Now let's get them one by one.


1. The 3 Azuri towers are not topped out yet. We agreed on only topped out towers. That leaves you with 10.

2. The Ministry of Communication tower does not exist. The ministry of communication headquarters in Lagos are housed in Necom tower which you already posted. Basically you listed the same building twice. Please genieluv, come call out your brother in his lies now that you're the lies caller of this thread. That leaves you with 9.

3. Independence House in Lagos stands at 83m hence does not qualify to be a skyscraper. https://hotels.ng/places/building/1194-independence-house

That leaves you with 8.

4. 4 Bourdilon tower is not 100m. That leaves you with 7.

......at 7 you think you can compete with Nairobi's 14? Even if I remove the 3 Avic towers, we're still left with 11 - way more than your 7. When we tell you our competition is in South Africa, we mean it.

You can see that forgiveness has replied your post

**** Trust me, this argument has existed before on sky scrappers and I saw how there were so many counter arguments. I really can't tell who is lying here or saying the truth other than reading sheepishly, perhaps till one person taps out.

ednited:


Where have you been? This place isn't fun as it used to be lol

Yes dear, true, that's because we left it and let hatemongers take over with arguments of hate. Don't you think?

ΔΔΔ I've been fine, been working as a secretary to a company. Also, I decided to leave nairaland cos of so much tribalism and hatred.

~~~We should spice the thread up once again How has it been in ET? I see regular news about your new prime minister. It seems like Abiy Ahmed has been ET's long awaited saviour right?

Kazikazi:
I wanted to talk about a big march which ended recently in kibera republic. I heard that the whole city was smelling armpits! Do you wanna argue?

All lazy people are already asleep, what are you waiting for, or you're even more lazier to sleep

NairobiWalker:


Of course, your hypocritical eyes can only read the wrong information that Kenyans write. Despite the fact that 90% of what some Nigerians (like the 688 guy or Nowenuse) post is lies, you only see the Kenyan lies.

~~~ I haven't seen any lies posted by Nigerians here, perhaps you can do me well by helping to point them out to me

Kur17:


All lazy people are already asleep, what are you waiting for, or you're even more lazier to sleep

Just define the word lazy for me.I. can't understand when lazy people feeds the so called hardworking people

mtisTheQubit:

I got some Hausa friends..to be specific (Fulani)..they kinda look like somalis in a way..Funny you say people dont travel...ya got meet people my friend

Are you for real with this? Do these fulanis live in Nairobi?

mtisTheQubit:

Dont you guys get it when someone is joking..using Pidgin in Kenya is a form of a joke..Even the sound of it is joke..If i want to emphasize my joke , i top up with a pidgin slang

This is interesting. So, you know Nigerian pidgin slangs?

genieluv:


~~~ I haven't seen any lies posted by Nigerians here, perhaps you can do me well by helping to point them out to me

Ooh.....what a hypocrite.

A bigoted mind of cause is selectively blind of cause. It'll only see what it wants to see. For one, just a few hours ago, your brother forgiveness claimed there's a tower in Lagos called Ministry of communication tower. I'm yet to hear you call him on that.

forgiveness:


Actually, they do count it.

Lady,There about 10 different ways of measuring a skyscrapers height.

Some institutions measure a skyscrapers height up to the roof,
Some institutions just counts a spire,antenna or masks
Some counts up to highest occupied floor
Some just use architectural height etc.

But its foolish to add antenna at a building's height. Because that have led to some crooks erecting just a pole on top so they can claim to have a tallest building status!

genieluv:


You can see that forgiveness has replied your post

**** Trust me, this argument has existed before on sky scrappers and I saw how there were so many counter arguments. I really can't tell who is lying here or saying the truth other than reading sheepishly, perhaps till one person taps out.

Did you quote to tell me forgiveness had responded to me?

Don't you find it interesting how you're proud to tell me how forgiveness responded to me when forgiveness' response was all lies - something you deny Nigerians here don't do?

NairobiWalker:


Ooh.....what a hypocrite.

A bigoted mind of cause is selectively blind of cause. It'll only see what it wants to see. For one, just a few hours ago, your brother forgiveness claimed there's a tower in Lagos called Ministry of communication tower. I'm yet to hear you call him on that.

Personally, I don't even know anything about these sky scrappers and their names.
**** forgiveness, is there a Ministry of communication tower? If yes please show us
Arguing with false facts is childishness and I am saying this out to all Nigerians, Kenyans, Tanzanians and everyone here.

NairobiWalker:


Did you quote to tell me forgiveness had responded to me?

Don't you find it interesting how you're proud to tell me how forgiveness responded to me when forgiveness' response was all lies - something you deny Nigerians here don't do?

Like I said, I do not even know if he is lying or saying the truth cos I don't know much about sky scrappers and their names. His response just seems true with the way he presents his facts.

**** Besides can you and forgiveness please tell me what this obsession with sky scrappers are? European cities do not have much sky scrappers, yet they are deemed some of the best and most liveable cities in the world with the best economies.

genieluv:


These 2 more points.

***** Yes, Nigerians starve, but the truth is that this only happens in the case of a civil disturbance like a war or uprising.
The entire landmass of Nigeria is fertile and the cultures of 98% of the population are agragrian.
So, if tens of millions of people farm to produce food year in year out, how practical is it for them to starve? Assess it yourself and judge for yourself.

False..... interesting how you lie yet insist Nigerians don't lie on this thread.

Nigeria last had a civil war in 1960s, as late as September this year, Reuters reported cases of starvation in Nigeria. See? Were it a Kenyan you'd have already labeled us Kenyans.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1LK2BV

Boko haram displaced millions of people from their homes, and these people are all farmers. Of course there would be starvation. Outside all this. Starvation is alien to Nigeria.

Another lie - if starvation is alien to Nigeria, then it's alien to the rest of the world. You're simply giving me reasons why people starve all over the world and claiming Nigerians don't starve unless those reasons happen.

>>>>> About Nigerian business men running businesses in the continent. (sighs). I can't say, cos I do not know much business related stuff.
South Africans have the largest and most influential businesses in Africa, so, if any one should brag about that, it's them. However, Nigeria has the richest man and some of the richest people in Africa and their business span across the continent. We also have a tribe like the Igbos who are extremely good in business and have apparently developed one of the best apprenticeship system in the world.
These may be the reasons why Nigerians brag about this, but as usual, sometimes it's definitely an exxageration.

There you go again giving me reasons why Nigerians brag. See, they brag. Giving me a reason why they brag doesn't make them less of braggarts. To make it worse, they don't even have the bragging rights.

++++ That giant of Africa title I guess came about in the 60s when Nigeria truly seemed like the giant of Africa.

Don't explain how the title came, thing is, you call yourself a giant when you really are not yet still complain about Kenyans painting a rosy picture of their country. Hypocrisy.

I myself do not believe that title and do not see the need for it, cos it's all about bragging.

You don't believe in it but find no issue with your brothers doing it yet when a Kenyan does it, it irks you. Hypocrite.

~~~~ If you think the attitudes of Nigerians on this thread is the daily attitude of most Nigerians, then you must be mistaken. Most Nigerians criticize our country and only a few praise it. The ones here just feel the need to oppose the title of this thread.

Are you even listening to yourself? You used attitudes of Kenyans on this thread to judge most Kenyans yet complain that I'm using attitudes of Nigerians on this thread to judge most Nigerians.

Nigerian economy is shrinking, but as long as Nigeria is accepted as the continent's largest economy, expect many to brag about it. However I personally don't see anything special in that, afterall we have the largest population, so, anything short of this would be shameful.

/I should expect Nigerians to brag/ to cut it short, you're mad at Kenyans for daring Brag about their little achievements but completely okay with Nigerians for bragging about their similarly little achievements. How hypocritical can somebody get? Reason I said I prefer open haters like bantudra than wolves in sheepskin like you.

Kazikazi:
Just define the word lazy for me.I. can't understand when lazy people feeds the so called hardworking people

A lazy man's brain is normally obsessed with food 24/7

mtisTheQubit:

why dont you capture it at all ?

Those CCM propagandists who want us to been seen poor are to blame.They know what they gain.

genieluv:


Like I said, I do not even know if he is lying or saying the truth cos I don't know much about sky scrappers and their names. His response just seems true with the way he presents his facts.

**** Besides can you and forgiveness please tell me what this obsession with sky scrappers are? European cities do not have much sky scrappers, yet they are deemed some of the best and most liveable cities in the world with the best economies.

Funny how you immediately accuse Kenyans of lying when they speak about things you don't understand yet think your Nigerian brothers are saying the truth when they speak of the same. You're a very horrible little hypocrite.

There's something called interests. I also couldn't understand why you and Nowenuse were going over and over arguing who dresses better.

NairobiWalker:


Funny how you immediately accuse Kenyans of lying when they speak about things you don't understand yet think your Nigerian brothers are saying the truth when they speak of the same. You're a very horrible little hypocrite.

There's something called interests. I also couldn't understand why you and Nowenuse were going over and over arguing who dresses better.

iam surprised how she is quick to pinpoint kenyans lying while she has not yet noticed the 688 guy lying to us about 1million houses nigerian government builds every year

tlann:
iam surprised how she is quick to pinpoint kenyans lying while she has not yet noticed the 688 guy lying to us about 1million houses nigerian government builds every year

You wonder. I really hate such kind of people. This guy has been spewing lies here 24/7 no matter how we debunk them - yet she comes here and say we lie because she feels like we lie.

Tanzania.Just a part of Dar es salaam

NairobiWalker:


You wonder. I really hate such kind of people. This guy has been spewing lies here 24/7 no matter how we debunk them - yet she comes here and say we lie because she feels like we lie.

the guy is obessed with kenyan slums cjui anadai kuenda kuishi kibera ama ?

NairobiWalker:


False..... interesting how you lie yet insist Nigerians don't lie on this thread.

Nigeria last had a civil war in 1960s, as late as September this year, Reuters reported cases of starvation in Nigeria. See? Were it a Kenyan you'd have already labeled us Kenyans.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1LK2BV


Another lie - if starvation is alien to Nigeria, then it's alien to the rest of the world. You're simply giving me reasons why people starve all over the world and claiming Nigerians don't starve unless those reasons happen.


There you go again giving me reasons why Nigerians brag. See, they brag. Giving me a reason why they brag doesn't make them less of braggarts. To make it worse, they don't even have the bragging rights.


Don't explain how the title came, thing is, you call yourself a giant when you really are not yet still complain about Kenyans painting a rosy picture of their country. Hypocrisy.

You don't believe in it but find no issue with your brothers doing it yet when a Kenyan does it, it irks you. Hypocrite.

Are you even listening to yourself? You used attitudes of Kenyans on this thread to judge most Kenyans yet complain that I'm using attitudes of Nigerians on this thread to judge most Nigerians.


/I should expect Nigerians to brag/ to cut it short, you're mad at Kenyans for daring Brag about their little achievements but completely okay with Nigerians for bragging about their similarly little achievements. How hypocritical can somebody get? Reason I said I prefer open haters like bantudra than wolves in sheepskin like you.

***** From your comment, it is very clear that it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you devoid of insultive words. So, I think I'll pass. I rather spend my time with a more reasonable and courteous individual, otherwise I'll bring myself down to your level. Have a good evening

genieluv:


***** From your comment, it is very clear that it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you devoid of insultive words. So, I think I'll pass. I rather spend my time with a more reasonable and courteous individual, otherwise I'll bring myself down to your level. Have a good evening

It's interesting how the most unreasonable people are always the first ones to call anyone unreasonable. Saying you're a hypocrite while stating the reason why is not an insult. You just couldn't handle the truth I told you.

Kazikazi:
Tanzania.Just a part of Dar es salaam

Beautiful

tlann:
iam surprised how she is quick to pinpoint kenyans lying while she has not yet noticed the 688 guy lying to us about 1million houses nigerian government builds every year

Nigerian federal govt does not build houses to best of my knowledge. Who made those claims?

NairobiWalker:


Did you quote to tell me forgiveness had responded to me?

Don't you find it interesting how you're proud to tell me how forgiveness responded to me when forgiveness' response was all lies - something you deny Nigerians here don't do?

Lying machine. You have been exposed.

genieluv:


Nigerian federal govt does not build houses to best of my knowledge. Who made those claims?

you nigerian pal 688 something iam surprised you have not seen his posts

forgiveness:


Lying machine. You have been exposed.

You really have a penchant of misusing the word exposed.

Kenya is poised to produce Africa’s most productive human capital in the medium term, a World Bank survey shows, buoyed by the country’s present deep investment in healthcare and child education.

The inaugural Human Capital Index (HCI) the World Bank published recently shows that Kenya ties with Algeria in offering the best education and health in the continent — factors that would make them churn out most productive workers by 2036.

Kenya scores 0.52 to rank 94 in the world out of the 157 countries ranked in the HCI that puts Singapore on top of the world with a score of 0.88. It beats large economies in Africa such as South Africa, Nigeria and Egypt.

The report comes barely a month after Bloomberg report ranked Kenyan immigrants working in the US as the third most skilled and industrious foreigners.

In the region, Tanzania scores 0.40 in the HCI at position 128 followed by Ethiopia, Uganda and Sudan with 0.38 at position 135, 137 and 139 respectively while Rwanda scores 0.37 at position 142.

The index is measured in terms of the productivity of the next generation of workers relative to the benchmark of complete education and full health. An economy in which the average worker achieves both full health and education potential will score a value of one on the index.

The study measures the consequences of neglecting investments in human capital in terms of the lost productivity of the next generation of workers.

“In countries with the lowest human capital investments today, our analysis suggests that the workforce of the future will only be one-third to one-half as productive as it could be if people enjoyed full health and received a high-quality education,” the report says.

The HCI survey shows that Kenya has made efforts in building the right foundations to churn out productive workers by the age of 18. Kenya has in the past decade been implementing various reforms aimed at improving the quality of education.

Key among them is funding of the free primary and day-secondary education. In addition, the government registered more technical and vocational education training (TVET) institutions to bridge skill gaps in the labour market.

The reforms have yielded some fruit with Economic Survey 2018 showing that total enrolment in pre-primary schools rose by 2.9 per cent to 3.29 million in 2017 compared to the previous year while enrolment in primary schools increased from 10.3 million in 2016 to 10.4 million in 2017.

In addition, enrolment in secondary schools grew by 4.1 per cent to 2.83 million in 2017.

As jobs become defined by more cognitive and analytical tasks, the World Bank cites Kenyan worker as having the ability to compete well.

“In Bolivia and Kenya, more than 40 per cent of workers using computers perform complex tasks that require advanced programming,” says the report.

"Indeed, the demand is growing for transferable higher-order cognitive skills such as logic, critical thinking, complex problem-solving, and reasoning.”

In health, the report observes that Kenya has made progress in making children survive from birth to school age. It notes that the death of any child is not only a tragedy but also a loss of human capital, which is never realised.

.....,

The World Bank study also shows that bureaucracies charged with implementing policies to build human capital often lack the capacity or the incentives to do so effectively.

Service delivery indicators survey the World Bank conducted in seven countries in sub-Saharan Africa, including Kenya found that, on average, three in 10 fourth-grade teachers had not mastered the language curriculum they were teaching.

“On a positive note, 94 per cent of Kenyan teachers had done so,” says the report that also ranks Kenyan doctors ahead of Nigeria.

“The surveys paint an equally mixed picture for healthcare facilities: About 80 per cent of Kenyan doctors could correctly diagnose a basic condition such as neonatal asphyxia, whereas less than 50 per cent of Nigerian doctors were able to do so.”

genieluv:


Yes dear, true, that's because we left it and let hatemongers take over with arguments of hate. Don't you think?

ΔΔΔ I've been fine, been working as a secretary to a company. Also, I decided to leave nairaland cos of so much tribalism and hatred.

~~~We should spice the thread up once again How has it been in ET? I see regular news about your new prime minister. It seems like Abiy Ahmed has been ET's long awaited saviour right?

Yes, too much argument is taking place here now.

Am happy for you (your job)!!


Ethiopia is doing fine. Today was national culture day and Addis Ababa was the host this year.
Abiy Ahmed is our saviour but we can't be sure if we are still safe. . . I think he is famous in Africa now. Almost every African know him

How are things over there??