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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Shittaakeem(m): 7:06am On Dec 09, 2018
MJBOLT:
shittaakeem grin
Black panther album
6 Grammy nomination

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by MJBOLT: 7:12am On Dec 09, 2018
WTF shocked
Shittaakeem:
Black panther album 6 Grammy nomination
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by philfearon(m): 5:54am On Dec 10, 2018

Endgame Is a Terrible Title for Avengers 4

by JASON COHEN – on Dec 09, 2018 in CBR EXCLUSIVES


We've asked ourselves what's in a name for hundreds of years. What William Shakespeare didn't see coming, though, was how much we would dissect the title of the biggest crossover film of all time. And while Avengers: Endgame should still be as epic and satisfying by any other name, the subtitle selected by Marvel Studios leaves a lot to be desired.

WHY WAS ENDGAME CHOSEN?

It would seem the title was taken directly from Infinity War, and intended as a natural progression of the story. However, by picking up on Doctor Strange's line, "We're in the end game, now," it makes the entire film, the final installment of Phase Three of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, a little too on the nose.

RELATED: AVENGERS 4 TRAILER MAY CONFIRM ANOTHER VICTIM OF THANOS' SNAP

Of course, what Strange referred to was the one future in which he saw the heroes defeat Thanos. He knew that by giving into the Mad Titan's demand, and handing over the Time Stone, he was setting up a scenario in which the good guys somehow win. Anyone who paid attention to Infinity War knows that, so by making Endgame the title of the sequel, it becomes both obvious and a letdown.


It's also not particularly original. If the title sounds familiar, it's because "Endgame" has been used to death in genre television. The X-Files, Alias, Babylon 5, Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek: Voyager all have "Endgame" episodes. In more recent years, the series finales of Young Justice, Generator Rex and Transformers: Animated were also titled "Endgame."

It's then worth asking why Marvel put fans through all of this. Why not announce the title earlier, like after the closing credits of Infinity War? Seeing something like "the Avengers will return in ... Endgame" would have sparked a different response. Instead, we've endured months of speculation, fan theories and misdirection, just so we could arrive at the most obvious answer imaginable.

RELATED: AVENGERS: ENDGAME WEBSITE SNAGGED BY DEADPOOL

"Endgame" sounds as if Tom Cruise is launching an attack on a spy network, or Sylvester Stallone is locked in a gun battle with Dolph Lundgren, or Christopher Lambert is an immortal warrior (oh wait, that's Highlander: Endgame). It doesn't sound like the culmination of the first decade of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.


CHOOSING A TITLE IS HARD ... PROBABLY

Perhaps the only title more obvious than Avengers: Endgame would have been "Avengers: The End," but at least that feels more ominous. Dubbing the movie "Endgame" wastes all the energy of a title like Infinity War without replacing it with anything useful. The first trailer felt somber, but the title doesn't match; it feels hollow.

RELATED: AVENGERS: ENDGAME'S TITLE WAS LEAKED MONTHS AGO

To be fair, it's actually difficult to name a film. You have to use a title that tells the audience what the film is about, but also conjures the right emotions. The Empire Strikes Back works because, although it is a bit self-referential, it still accurately conveys what happens in the movie: The good guys get their asses kicked. Ex Machina means "from machine," but the movie uses the Latin title to underscore the philosophical themes within.

The Harry Potter film series had it easy when it came to adapting Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Splitting it in two and just calling it Part One and Part Two was certainly lazy, but at least it was based on an existing work. Marvel was not so lucky, which is why Infinity War Part One and Part Two was never really going to happen.


But imagine a world where some of the best final chapters in movie history were named as poorly as "Endgame." Instead of Return of the Jedi, we would have something as obvious as "A New Beginning." How about "Face of Doom" in place of Return of the King?

RELATED: CAPTAIN AMERICA DONS HIS WINTER SOLDIER COSTUME IN ENDGAME TRAILER

Of course, you don't want to call Avengers 4 "Thanos' Revenge" and make it sound as fleeting as, say, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull or Age of Ultron. Endgame was the easy choice, and it was the safe choice, but it wasn't the best choice. While we have no idea what was discussed internally, we can suggest some titles that would have been preferable.

NEXT PAGE: AVENGERS 4 SUBTITLES BETTER THAN ENDGAME
JUST ABOUT ANYTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER

If they were open to pulling from the comics, how about just "Infinity Crusade"? It follows up on Infinity War and could hammer home the idea of Captain America and the surviving heroes going on something of a crusade to save those that were lost, or at least avenge them.


RELATED: AVENGERS 4 TRAILER'S MOST REVEALING (AND FOREBODING) SCENES

Then again, "crusade" probably brings up some awkward connotations for a superhero movie, and perhaps the tone of this film doesn't quite match what that word suggests. After all, the survivors in a universe that lost half of all life in an instant is probably aren't getting ready to go on a crusade.

Using Avengers: Disassembled would have worked well, considering half the team is now dead, and everyone else is disheartened. It would definitely set up ideas regarding whether the Avengers ever accomplish anything, or if they ultimately fail.

However, the perfect movie to use Disassembled already came out: Avengers: Age of Ultron. We don't yet know what will happen in the fourth Avengers movie, so it's possible disassembling the team is never actually part of the narrative, and is instead more about soldiering on.

RELATED: DID YOU SPOT THE INFINITY GAUNTLET IN THE ENDGAME TRAILER?


That then leaves us with perhaps the best possible title not used: Annihilation. It brings up the same thoughts as Endgame, but with more of a sense of sudden destruction, after what happened in Infinity War.

WHERE WE STAND WITH ENDGAME

Marvel and Disney obviously held back the title as a marketing ploy. In the wake of Infinity War, the release of the first trailer was supposed to start the conversation all over again: The Avengers are back. Unfortunately, the title doesn't really say much, other than indicate where we are in the superhero cycle. In case you were wondering, we're at The Last Stand Before the Inevitable Rebirth part of the cycle.

In the end, Avengers: Endgame very much feels like a sequel title. Maybe it's not as bad as Speed 2: Cruise Control, but it's proportionally close. No one wants to think that, but it might have been better just to call the film Avengers 4 and be done with it. Everyone was calling the movie that anyway, it feels more like a standalone film, and its more clean and precise than Endgame.
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Shittaakeem(m): 6:21am On Dec 10, 2018
philfearon:

Endgame Is a Terrible Title for Avengers 4

by JASON COHEN – on Dec 09, 2018 in CBR EXCLUSIVES


We've asked ourselves what's in a name for hundreds of years. What William Shakespeare didn't see coming, though, was how much we would dissect the title of the biggest crossover film of all time. And while Avengers: Endgame should still be as epic and satisfying by any other name, the subtitle selected by Marvel Studios leaves a lot to be desired.

WHY WAS ENDGAME CHOSEN?

It would seem the title was taken directly from Infinity War, and intended as a natural progression of the story. However, by picking up on Doctor Strange's line, "We're in the end game, now," it makes the entire film, the final installment of Phase Three of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, a little too on the nose.

RELATED: AVENGERS 4 TRAILER MAY CONFIRM ANOTHER VICTIM OF THANOS' SNAP

Of course, what Strange referred to was the one future in which he saw the heroes defeat Thanos. He knew that by giving into the Mad Titan's demand, and handing over the Time Stone, he was setting up a scenario in which the good guys somehow win. Anyone who paid attention to Infinity War knows that, so by making Endgame the title of the sequel, it becomes both obvious and a letdown.


It's also not particularly original. If the title sounds familiar, it's because "Endgame" has been used to death in genre television. The X-Files, Alias, Babylon 5, Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek: Voyager all have "Endgame" episodes. In more recent years, the series finales of Young Justice, Generator Rex and Transformers: Animated were also titled "Endgame."

It's then worth asking why Marvel put fans through all of this. Why not announce the title earlier, like after the closing credits of Infinity War? Seeing something like "the Avengers will return in ... Endgame" would have sparked a different response. Instead, we've endured months of speculation, fan theories and misdirection, just so we could arrive at the most obvious answer imaginable.

RELATED: AVENGERS: ENDGAME WEBSITE SNAGGED BY DEADPOOL

"Endgame" sounds as if Tom Cruise is launching an attack on a spy network, or Sylvester Stallone is locked in a gun battle with Dolph Lundgren, or Christopher Lambert is an immortal warrior (oh wait, that's Highlander: Endgame). It doesn't sound like the culmination of the first decade of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.


CHOOSING A TITLE IS HARD ... PROBABLY

Perhaps the only title more obvious than Avengers: Endgame would have been "Avengers: The End," but at least that feels more ominous. Dubbing the movie "Endgame" wastes all the energy of a title like Infinity War without replacing it with anything useful. The first trailer felt somber, but the title doesn't match; it feels hollow.

RELATED: AVENGERS: ENDGAME'S TITLE WAS LEAKED MONTHS AGO

To be fair, it's actually difficult to name a film. You have to use a title that tells the audience what the film is about, but also conjures the right emotions. The Empire Strikes Back works because, although it is a bit self-referential, it still accurately conveys what happens in the movie: The good guys get their asses kicked. Ex Machina means "from machine," but the movie uses the Latin title to underscore the philosophical themes within.

The Harry Potter film series had it easy when it came to adapting Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Splitting it in two and just calling it Part One and Part Two was certainly lazy, but at least it was based on an existing work. Marvel was not so lucky, which is why Infinity War Part One and Part Two was never really going to happen.


But imagine a world where some of the best final chapters in movie history were named as poorly as "Endgame." Instead of Return of the Jedi, we would have something as obvious as "A New Beginning." How about "Face of Doom" in place of Return of the King?

RELATED: CAPTAIN AMERICA DONS HIS WINTER SOLDIER COSTUME IN ENDGAME TRAILER

Of course, you don't want to call Avengers 4 "Thanos' Revenge" and make it sound as fleeting as, say, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull or Age of Ultron. Endgame was the easy choice, and it was the safe choice, but it wasn't the best choice. While we have no idea what was discussed internally, we can suggest some titles that would have been preferable.

NEXT PAGE: AVENGERS 4 SUBTITLES BETTER THAN ENDGAME
JUST ABOUT ANYTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER

If they were open to pulling from the comics, how about just "Infinity Crusade"? It follows up on Infinity War and could hammer home the idea of Captain America and the surviving heroes going on something of a crusade to save those that were lost, or at least avenge them.


RELATED: AVENGERS 4 TRAILER'S MOST REVEALING (AND FOREBODING) SCENES

Then again, "crusade" probably brings up some awkward connotations for a superhero movie, and perhaps the tone of this film doesn't quite match what that word suggests. After all, the survivors in a universe that lost half of all life in an instant is probably aren't getting ready to go on a crusade.

Using Avengers: Disassembled would have worked well, considering half the team is now dead, and everyone else is disheartened. It would definitely set up ideas regarding whether the Avengers ever accomplish anything, or if they ultimately fail.

However, the perfect movie to use Disassembled already came out: Avengers: Age of Ultron. We don't yet know what will happen in the fourth Avengers movie, so it's possible disassembling the team is never actually part of the narrative, and is instead more about soldiering on.

RELATED: DID YOU SPOT THE INFINITY GAUNTLET IN THE ENDGAME TRAILER?


That then leaves us with perhaps the best possible title not used: Annihilation. It brings up the same thoughts as Endgame, but with more of a sense of sudden destruction, after what happened in Infinity War.

WHERE WE STAND WITH ENDGAME

Marvel and Disney obviously held back the title as a marketing ploy. In the wake of Infinity War, the release of the first trailer was supposed to start the conversation all over again: The Avengers are back. Unfortunately, the title doesn't really say much, other than indicate where we are in the superhero cycle. In case you were wondering, we're at The Last Stand Before the Inevitable Rebirth part of the cycle.

In the end, Avengers: Endgame very much feels like a sequel title. Maybe it's not as bad as Speed 2: Cruise Control, but it's proportionally close. No one wants to think that, but it might have been better just to call the film Avengers 4 and be done with it. Everyone was calling the movie that anyway, it feels more like a standalone film, and its more clean and precise than Endgame.

Story For The gods

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Uglymugg: 2:20pm On Dec 10, 2018
How can Nigerians or even Africa compete with this level of sophistication?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ciu5yQYwJgY
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by philfearon(m): 3:59pm On Dec 10, 2018
Uglymugg:
How can Nigerians or even Africa compete with this level of sophistication?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ciu5yQYwJgY
How about Europe or South America or Australia?
You guys are always trying to make jest of Nigeria!

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Uglymugg: 4:02pm On Dec 10, 2018
philfearon:

How about Europe or South America or Australia?
You guys are always trying to make jest of Nigeria!

The movie is literally made up of Europeans South Americans and Aussie. Thor is an Aussie.

But I dont care about them. I care about Africa reaching this height. It's not fair what hollywood can do from a computer.
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by philfearon(m): 8:40pm On Dec 10, 2018
Uglymugg:


The movie is literally made up of Europeans South Americans and Aussie. Thor is an Aussie.

But I dont care about them. I care about Africa reaching this height. It's not fair what hollywood can do from a computer.
If Cinemas should come in their numbers almost in all major towns and cities in Nigeria with a knowledgeable and modern (age bracket) embrassing the cinema culture, low budget movies in same manner may be attempted.
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by 100naira(m): 8:57am On Dec 11, 2018
Instead of some people to focus on the trailer, they are busy yarning dust about the title of the movie which clearly is better than the dc universe in general.

Like doctor Strange said, "we are in the END GAME now" which is why this movie is the culmination of the marvel cinematic universe as we know it. Would you rather the movie answered Avengers annihilation or devastation?

I'm excited to see how this movie will eclipse infinity war.


P:S Tony stark also said "that up there, that's the END GAME" in age of ultron

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by philfearon(m): 9:02am On Dec 11, 2018
Killing it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CHINA ALL THE WAY!!!

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by philfearon(m): 9:05am On Dec 11, 2018
Officially the Film of the Century..... AQUAMAN!!!! grin grin
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by MJBOLT: 9:46am On Dec 11, 2018
the only good thing about underwater wakanda is Amber Heard boobs grin

philfearon:
Killing it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CHINA ALL THE WAY!!!

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 10:20am On Dec 11, 2018
philfearon:
Officially the Film of the Century..... AQUAMAN!!!! grin grin
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by philfearon(m): 3:28pm On Dec 11, 2018
Mera's brèast is better than the whole MCU!!! grin grin grin

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by MJBOLT: 4:07pm On Dec 11, 2018
philfearon:
Mera's brèast is better than the whole MCU!!! grin grin grin

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by MJBOLT: 4:09pm On Dec 11, 2018
philfearon:
Mera's brèast is better than the whol.e MCU!!! grin grin grin

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 4:24pm On Dec 11, 2018
philfearon:
Mera's brèast is better than the whole MCU!!! grin grin grin
you must be high on b**bies grin grin

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by philfearon(m): 4:32pm On Dec 11, 2018
Aquaman better than the whole of Marvel's past, present and future productions!!! grin grin grin

Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by philfearon(m): 4:36pm On Dec 11, 2018
Aquaman to hit $2.5billion before 1st January and set Hollywood record!!!
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by typicalgamer(m): 5:53pm On Dec 11, 2018
philfearon:
Aquaman to hit $2.5billion before 1st January and set Hollywood record!!!


*spits*

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by MJBOLT: 6:01pm On Dec 11, 2018
philfearon:
Aquaman to hit $2.5billion before 1st January and set Hollywood record!!!

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by 100naira(m): 6:21pm On Dec 11, 2018
Guys when far from home trailer go drop?
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by philfearon(m): 6:33pm On Dec 11, 2018
grin cheesy cheesy grin cheesy
Aquaman nominated in 50 Categories at the Oscars and Academy awards!!!
What a time to be alive.
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Nobody: 6:51pm On Dec 11, 2018
philfearon:
grin cheesy cheesy grin cheesy
Aquaman nominated in 50 Categories at the Oscars and Academy awards!!!
What a time to be alive.
I like this guy confidence

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by nani667: 7:37pm On Dec 11, 2018
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by philfearon(m): 8:30pm On Dec 11, 2018
Aquaman is Infinity War, Indiana Jones, Black Panther, Avatar, Titanic and Pirates of the Caribbean rolled into one blockbuster movie!!!
What a time to be alive to witness the greatest movie of our time!!!

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Afobear: 9:56pm On Dec 11, 2018
philfearon:
Aquaman is Infinity War, Indiana Jones, Black Panther, Avatar, Titanic and Pirates of the Caribbean rolled into one blockbuster movie!!!
What a time to be alive to witness the greatest movie of our time!!!

Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by misky2000(m): 10:38pm On Dec 11, 2018
philfearon:
grin cheesy cheesy grin cheesy
Aquaman nominated in 50 Categories at the Oscars and Academy awards!!!
What a time to be alive.
pls send me the link to that info
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by Kaycee7(m): 1:41am On Dec 12, 2018
philfearon:
Aquaman is Infinity War, Indiana Jones, Black Panther, Avatar, Titanic and Pirates of the Caribbean rolled into one blockbuster movie!!!
What a time to be alive to witness the greatest movie of our time!!!
philfearon:
Mera's brèast is better than the whole MCU!!! grin grin grin
Whatever you've been smoking, stop now. We can still save what's left of your brain.
Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by philfearon(m): 7:36am On Dec 12, 2018

"Where I come from, the sea carries our tears away”

Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by MJBOLT: 8:04am On Dec 12, 2018
philfearon:
Aquaman is Infinity War, Indiana Jones, Black Panther, Avatar, Titanic and Pirates of the Caribbean rolled into one blockbuster movie!!!
What a time to be alive to witness the greatest movie of our time!!!

Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by barackodam: 1:10pm On Dec 12, 2018
Breegz14:
i trust the russo brothers not to disappoint. the trailer did leave me with lots of questions like how did scott escape quantum realm?, did shuri get dusted?


fan theory?
Cassie came to his rescue
Escaped with the dreaded time vortex

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