Many a time I have watched many mainstream media\reporter calling people, who tend to be critical of certain religion, Racist. This got me confused because my understanding is that race has to do with homogenous people who share the same genetical, geographical, and some distinct attributes that are quite different from the others.

Like we have the black race, also called negroid, the white race (or the causiacians), the arabs race etc. However, recently, anyone that criticizes some teachings of Islam is called a rascist. So I begin to wonder if there is now a different meaning to rascism to what I used to knw before.

It's a life style... neither a religion or a race

Islam is the only religion! The only way of Life!Never a race!

We believe in all Prophets and they are all Muslims.

I will like to inform you that among what a Muslim must ''believe in'' is to believe in the Prophets. This Prophets includes Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isma'eel (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), Ayyob (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), Sulaiman (Solomon), Dawud (David), Idrees (Enoch), Dhul Kifl (Isaiah), Lut (Lot), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Ilyaas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yahya (John), 'Eesa (Jesus) and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all). And the knowledge of their numbers belongs to Allah only! We believe all of them were sent by Allah to certain set of people. Some were given Inspired Books like Torah (Musa), Zabur (Dawud) Injeel ('Eesa), Qur'an (Muhammad), etc.

Rashduct4luv:
Islam is the only religion! The only way of Life!Never a race!

We believe in all Prophets and they are all Muslims.

I will like to inform you that among what a Muslim must ''believe in'' is to believe in the Prophets. This Prophets includes Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isma'eel (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), Ayyob (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), Sulaiman (Solomon), Dawud (David), Idrees (Enoch), Dhul Kifl (Isaiah), Lut (Lot), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Ilyaas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yahya (John), 'Eesa (Jesus) and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all). And the knowledge of their numbers belongs to Allah only! We believe all of them were sent by Allah to certain set of people. Some were given Inspired Books like Torah (Musa), Zabur (Dawud) Injeel ('Eesa), Qur'an (Muhammad), etc.

Stop being decieved . There was no muslims or Islam b4 Muhammad .

Belief does not make you or anyone to belong , it is by abiding by the rules , commandments and possession of the right qualifications that make you to belong or be part of the organization or system .

Islam is nothing but Is-lie .

enilove:



Stop being decieved . There was no muslims or Islam b4 Muhammad .

Belief does not make you or anyone to belong , it is by abiding by the rules , commandments and possession of the right qualifications that make you to belong or be part of the organization or system .

Islam is nothing but Is-lie .

Your evidence pls.

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Rashduct4luv:

Your evidence pls.

Other Prophets of the Bible were not prophets of Allah , except muhammad :
" There is not God but allah, and Muhammad is the messanger"
Your " shahadah " , says it all , that ONLY Muhammad was allah's messanger.

I'm still expecting you to put up a thread on the topic:

"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES 'says Jesus is Archangel Michael' how true is this?"



The few points i gave you regarding Jesus being Archangel Michael really turned you on but i don't want the thread to become rowdy with fruitless arguments.

If truly you wants to know Jesus' real identity start your own thread, call out JWs over the matter then you will learn from Christ's true followers!

Jesus is Archangel Michael period.

Anyone who wants to challenge JWs on this should open a thread, attach JWs name and invite all Trinitarians to come and explain what they know about Jesus (Michael), let the world SEE which group truly have Jesus in their midst!

Let the world SEE how much you KNOW about Jesus, of course i will prove to you from the Bible that he is no other person than the same Archangel Michael!
I'm looking forward to it

MaxInDHouse:
I'm still expecting you to put up a thread on the topic:

"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES 'says Jesus is Archangel Michael' how true is this?"



The few points i gave you regarding Jesus being Archangel Michael really turned you on but i don't want the thread to become rowdy with fruitless arguments.

If truly you wants to know Jesus' real identity start your own thread, call out JWs over the matter then you will learn from Christ's true followers!

Jesus is Archangel Michael period.

Anyone who wants to challenge JWs on this should open a thread, attach JWs name and invite all Trinitarians to come and explain what they know about Jesus (Michael), let the world SEE which group truly have Jesus in their midst!

Let the world SEE how much you KNOW about Jesus, of course i will prove to you from the Bible that he is no other person than the same Archangel Michael!
I'm looking forward to it

It is not a crime if you create a topic for discussion. Thank God that 99.6% of christians do not believe in your JW nonsense.

Your 99.99999999 are on what road? Matthew 7:13-14

Note that those on the path to life are few and they're the ones finding it, again Jesus said that those on the path to life will be recognized globally by their FRUIT {Matthew 7:16-18} they will be known as a global family of religionsts in whose gathering their is LOVE {John 13:34-35} they are no part of the world controlled by Satan the Killer so it means when Satan blows the wind of confusion leading people into killing one another {Revelations 6:3-4} Jesus' true followers will not be carried away by Satan's missiles which is racism and politics.

Well can you tell me which of your so called 99.9999999% are not into deadly dealing like racism and politics which often makes people claiming worshipers of the same God to kill one another without remorse?

For your information God's chosen people has always been a minute number in every generation of human history {Luke 17:26-27} so when faithless people are been deceived by Satan and they're not united in the same line of thought {Luke 11:23} God's own people always work together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers that can't be divided either by racism or politics! John 17:22

As for the topic you're the one that's hungry for righteousness so set it up and i'll come to dig out the scriptures for you but if you're OK with what you know, i'm am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the one and only group having LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating their gathering so the Jesus i know is Archangel Michael.
It's you who can't find answer to the question "Who was Jesus before his coming to the earth?"
May you have PEACE!

true2god:
It is not a crime if you create a topic for discussion. Thank God that 99.6% of christians do not believe in your JW nonsense.

MaxInDHouse:
Your 99.99999999 are on what road? Matthew 7:13-14

Note that those on the path to life are few and they're the ones finding it, again Jesus said that those on the path to life will be recognized globally by their FRUIT {Matthew 7:16-18} they will be known as a global family of religionsts in whose gathering their is LOVE {John 13:34-35} they are no part of the world controlled by Satan the Killer so it means when Satan blows the wind of confusion leading people into killing one another {Revelations 6:3-4} Jesus' true followers will not be carried away by Satan's missiles which is racism and politics.

Well can you tell me which of your so called 99.9999999% are not into deadly dealing like racism and politics which often makes people claiming worshipers of the same God to kill one another without remorse?

For your information God's chosen people has always been a minute number in every generation of human history {Luke 17:26-27} so when faithless people are been deceived by Satan and they're not united in the same line of thought {Luke 11:23} God's own people always work together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers that can't be divided either by racism or politics! John 17:22

As for the topic you're the one that's hungry for righteousness so set it up and i'll come to dig out the scriptures for you but if you're OK with what you know, i'm am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the one and only group having LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating their gathering so the Jesus i know is Archangel Michael.
It's you who can't find answer to the question "Who was Jesus before his coming to the earth?"
May you have PEACE!

Sorry bro, your organization carried first in the court report for adult and child sexual molestation/abuse. It is also your organization's policy to ensure that incidents of child molestation are not reported to the public but swept under the carpet to avoid public scrutiny and lawsuits. See few links below:

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/03/the-secret-jehovahs-witness-database-of-child-molesters/584311/
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51006771
https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20210527/trial-scheduled-for-jehovahs-witnesses-elders-accused-of-failing-to-report-sexual-abuse
https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/jehovahs-witnesses-children-sexual-abuse-arrest-20180524.html

My JW office colleague dumped his RCCG girlfriend of 4 years, after 2 abortions, on the basis that his mother will die of heart-attack if he marries a non-JW. And this behavior is consistent with many JWs I know personally. You cannot preach self-righteousness to me while you guys are ravening wolves.

And note, in your characteristics deceptions, you guys, in your house-to-house visitation, identify yourselves as a Christian sect only to deny to be a Christian sect in your kingdom hall as other Christians organizations (over 20,000) you guys considered as false while it is only JW is true. This cognitive dissonance is only associated with a cult who sees the outside world as dangerous without looking inward the damages your organization is doing, both to yourselves and the larger society.

Religion means that which you do regularly.

Race means lineage and Ancestry.

So decide

There are so many accusations against Israel, you will find both good and bad habits in their midst, they claim to be the only worshipers of the true God and what do you think about the God who keeps saying about Israel:
"This is my people"
Do you think this God is partial when He ignore all other nations only to pick Israel as His people?
Do you think there is no nice persons in any other country when the God of Israel keep devoting them to destruction anytime they're against His people?
Well learn from Jesus who despite all the atrocities of the Jews confirmed that Salvation is of the same Jews! John 4:22
For your information God's people are flesh like other people so whatever is applicable to the flesh will surely reflect in the lives of individuals in any religion.
But what makes the difference?
Well it's the presence of God's Holy Spirit in the midst of imperfect and sinful humans, they will achieve what God's promised not because all of them are perfect but due to the influence of God's Holy Spirit directing them.
That's why they will achieve God's purpose as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers despite their individual flaws! Isaiah 2:2-4
That's why Jesus confidently said "by their FRUITS (when imperfect humans gather together for worship, what is happening in their midst will prove where God's Holy Spirit is working) you will know them" Matthew 7:16-18 compare to James 2:18-26

So calm down my friend, what you're carrying in your head is peculiar to the flesh and we're all still in the flesh, there's no gathering of humans where you won't find individuals who are still battling with the flesh, we are only battling the flesh with what we're learning through Christ! Romans 7:21-25

May you have PEACE!

true2god:

Sorry bro, your organization carried first in the report of child molestation/abue. It is also your organization's policy to ensure that incidents of child molestation are not reported to the public but swept under the carpet to avoid public scrutiny and lawsuits. See few links below:

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/03/the-secret-jehovahs-witness-database-of-child-molesters/584311/
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51006771
https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20210527/trial-scheduled-for-jehovahs-witnesses-elders-accused-of-failing-to-report-sexual-abuse
https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/jehovahs-witnesses-children-sexual-abuse-arrest-20180524.html

My JW office colleague dumped his RCCG girlfriend of 4 years, after 2 abortions, on the basis that his mother will die of heart-attack if he marries a non-JW. And this behavior is consistent with many JWs I know personally. You cannot preach self-righteousness to me while you guys are ravening wolves.

And note, in your characteristics deceptions, you guys, in your house-to-house visitation, identify yourselves as a Christian sect only to deny to be a Christian sect in your kingdom hall as other Christians organizations (over 20,000) you guys considered as false while it is only JW is true. This cognitive dissonance is only associated with a cult who sees the outside world as dangerous without looking inward the damages your organization is doing, both to yourselves and the larger society.

You are preaching and I don’t need your sermon. You are to defend your position and prove to me that there are no cases of unreported sexual abuses, paedophilia and lasciviousness among the JW. Note, you painted the entire non-Jw Christians as racist, political and murderous. This is what watchtower had pumped into your head despite the fact that we have over 20,000 Christian denominations with slightly varying theology, beliefs and even lifestyles, but you decided to paint all the rest in a broad-brush in order to prove that the watchtower is the truth. This is not only a stupid way of drawing a classification but also crazy as someone with simple sense of logic will see that it is not true.

And FYA, I can name many non-JW Christian organizations who are not into politics, not murderous and not racist. Mind you, I don’t condemn politics because even in your organization there are elements of politicking because you can’t just become a member of the GB without lobbying and playing your politics very well. Go and read the book, CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE, written by Raymond Franz, an ex-JW and an ex member of your governing body and understand politics and politicking in the watchtower.

Now back to the crux of the matter, you made a claim that JW has both the absolute truth and morality, can you empirically prove this?

MaxInDHouse:
There are so many accusations against Israel, you will find both good and bad habits in their midst, they claim to be the only worshipers of the true God and what do you think about the God who keeps saying about Israel: "This is my people". Do you think this God is partial when He ignore all other nations only to pick Israel as His people? Do you think there is no nice persons in any other country when the God of Israel keep devoting them to destruction anytime they're against His people?

Do you mean the accusations against watchtower are false and baseless? The watchtower is the religious organization in the US with the highest numbers of sexual molestation cases within the organization, please deal with this fact and leave the children of Israel alone.

MaxInDHouse:
Well learn from Jesus who despite all the atrocities of the Jews confirmed that Salvation is of the same Jews! John 4:22. For your information God's people are flesh like other people so whatever is applicable to the flesh will surely reflect in the lives of individuals in any religion.
But what makes the difference?

Paul admonished the church in Rome in Roman 8:13

‘For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live’.

The JW had been weighed on this scale and was found wanton both by the civil and religious authority. It is even ironic that you claim exclusive spiritual purity and yet the watchtower in the US circulated a memo advising their members never to report cases of sexual molestation to the police.

MaxInDHouse:
Well it's the presence of God's Holy Spirit in the midst of imperfect and sinful humans, they will achieve what God's promised not because all of them are perfect but due to the influence of God's Holy Spirit directing them.
That's why they will achieve God's purpose as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers despite their individual flaws! Isaiah 2:2-4
That's why Jesus confidently said "by their FRUITS (when imperfect humans gather together for worship, what is happening in their midst will prove where God's Holy Spirit is working) you will know them" Matthew 7:16-18 compare to James 2:18-26

You are still preaching. The Bible says ‘by their fruit…’ You only preach through the good fruit you produce. You cannot be living in sexual immorality in JW and be blaming other Christian bodies that do not agree with your scriptural views.

Cases of sexual abuses covered up by the JW:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/10/former-jehovahs-witness-elders-call-for-mandatory-reporting-of-child-sexual-abuse
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51006771
https://www.oxygen.com/the-witnesses/crime-news/how-policies-of-the-jehovahs-witnesses-keep-child-sexual-abuse-from-police
https://revealnews.org/topic/jehovahs-witnesses/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/02/08/jehovahs-witnesses-under-investigation-pennsylvania-attorney-generals-office/2425260001/

MaxInDHouse:
So calm down my friend, what you're carrying in your head is peculiar to the flesh and we're all still in the flesh, there's no gathering of humans where you won't find individuals who are still battling with the flesh, we are only battling the flesh with what we're learning through Christ! Romans 7:21-25

May you have PEACE!

So since you know ‘WE’ are still in the flesh, why do you want to ‘monopolize’ morality and call other non-JW chrisrtians devils and idol worshippers, racist and murderers?

How many black people, Asian people and Arabs-JW are in your governing body? Mention them since white JWs in the US are not racist.

true2god:
You are preaching and I don’t need your sermon. You are to defend your position and prove to me that there are no cases of unreported sexual abuses, paedophilia and lasciviousness among the JW. Note, you painted the entire non-Jw Christians as racist, political and murderous. This is what watchtower had pumped into your head despite the fact that we have over 20,000 Christian denominations with slightly varying theology, beliefs and even lifestyles, but you decided to paint all the rest in a broad-brush in order to prove that the watchtower is the truth. This is not only a stupid way of drawing a classification but also crazy as someone with simple sense of logic will see that it is not true.

You're getting it all wrong my friend.
According to the Bible all humans are sinners which means anywhere you find humans the works of the flesh will be noticed. Even Jesus can't defend his Apostles when it comes to the works of the flesh, yet Jesus will tell you that if you're not part of his followers (those exercising faith in him) you're doomed! Luke 18:18-23
So if you were one of Jesus' contemporaries you would have condemned him outrightly without a second thought!

And FYA, I can name many non-JW Christian organizations who are not into politics, not murderous and not racist. Mind you, I don’t condemn politics because even in your organization there are elements of politicking because you can’t just become a member of the GB without lobbying and playing your politics very well. Go and read the book, CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE, written by Raymond Franz, an ex-JW and an ex member of your governing body and understand politics and politicking in the watchtower.

Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve (closest confidants) of Jesus yet he betrayed him. Does that renders Jesus' claim as the only way to God invalid?

Now back to the crux of the matter, you made a claim that JW has both the absolute truth and morality, can you empirically prove this?

You're mistaking Sir!
What i said is "God's Holy Spirit works only with JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that's why they as imperfect humans are achieving what God promised globally" as for morality it's not what Jesus' preaching and teaching is about otherwise the young Jewish ruler doesn't need anything else since he is morally clean! Luke 18:20-21

Do you mean the accusations against watchtower are false and baseless? The watchtower is the religious organization in the US with the highest numbers of sexual molestation cases within the organization, please deal with this fact and leave the children of Israel alone.

Why are you adding salt, pepper and seasoning to the story nah?
God's Organization is facing different racial traits in various countries so if pedophilia is the problem Americans have of course the JWs there will have to fight that trait and cleanse themselves of such habits just as their brothers in other lands are also fighting traits that's peculiar to their own race.
So coming here to say JWs are the worst regarding a trait peculiar to a race makes your story laughable Sir!

Paul admonished the church in Rome in Roman 8:13
‘For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live’.
The JW had been weighed on this scale and was found wanton both by the civil and religious authority. It is even ironic that you claim exclusive spiritual purity and yet the watchtower in the US circulated a memo advising their members never to report cases of sexual molestation to the police.

Paul's admonition is for all beleivers in Christ that's why Christians back then were working really hard to put away the old personality {Colossians 3:9} as for reporting cases within our brothers to the authorities, that's a lie!
It's each person that will decide what to do on that but members shouldn't expect the Organization to go and report on their behalf, it's between you and the person you want to report and don't expect any member to stand for you as a witness against his Christian brother before unbelievers, that's why we have our own judicial panel. If you feel like taking the case out of our own judicial panel to pagans then you're free to do so but don't expect the Organization to compel fellow believers to stand as witness against their own Christian brother or sister.
So go now and broadcast it because that's the truth of the matter!
It's when some feels like making fellow believers their witness in court against a believer can't find such that they're not OK with it. They want the Organization to compel members to witness against fellow believers before pagans and that is not our heritage.
We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES not Witnesses against our fellow believers before pagans!

You are still preaching. The Bible says ‘by their fruit…’ You only preach through the good fruit you produce. You cannot be living in sexual immorality in JW and be blaming other Christian bodies that do not agree with your scriptural views.
So since you know ‘WE’ are still in the flesh, why do you want to ‘monopolize’ morality and call other non-JW chrisrtians devils and idol worshippers, racist and murderers?
How many black people, Asian people and Arabs-JW are in your governing body? Mention them since white JWs in the US are not racist.

When Jesus appointed the first twelve Apostles, do you know that they were all Jews?
For your information Jews are the two tribes of Israel that were separated in the southern part of Israel. Samaritans were the other ten tribes, yet Jesus said to the twelve chosen Jews “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel"
Matthew 19:28

Why not go and question our Master, Lord and King (Jesus Christ) who chose only Jews as Apostles but made them rulers over the entire twelve tribes of Israel?
Well he is still in charge of the affairs {Hebrews 13:8} so we don't think like racists, we are not practicing DEMOCRACY that's why there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating the entire Organization globally! Matthew 7:16-18

MaxInDHouse:
You're getting it all wrong my friend. According to the Bible all humans are sinners which means anywhere you find humans the works of the flesh will be noticed. Even Jesus can't defend his Apostles when it comes to the works of the flesh, yet Jesus will tell you that if you're not part of his followers (those exercising faith in him) you're doomed! Luke 18:18-23. So if you were one of Jesus' contemporaries you would have condemned him outrightly without a second thought!

Agreed, all human are sinner but it is more evil to advice your congregation to cover-up for rapist, arsonist and murderers within you. You are to report crime to the authorities and this is what watchtowers had discouraged their members from doing. They hide the evil going on in their midst in order to portray a false image to the larger society.

MaxInDHouse:
Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve (closest confidants) of Jesus yet he betrayed him. Does that renders Jesus' claim as the only way to God invalid?

As in, how does this relate to JWs covering up for their members who broke the law and meant to be jailed? Did Jesus coverup for Judas?

MaxInDHouse:
You're mistaking Sir! What i said is "God's Holy Spirit works only with JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that's why they as imperfect humans are achieving what God promised globally" as for morality it's not what Jesus' preaching and teaching is about otherwise the young Jewish ruler doesn't need anything else since he is morally clean! Luke 18:20-21

If your so-called 'God's holy spirit' works only with JW we won't be having cases of sexual molestation and other vices. Your 'God's holy spirit' must be a devil's spirit for not directing you guys to always act rightly and morally.

MaxInDHouse:
Why are you adding salt, pepper and seasoning to the story nah?
God's Organization is facing different racial traits in various countries so if pedophilia is the problem Americans have of course the JWs there will have to fight that trait and cleanse themselves of such habits just as their brothers in other lands are also fighting traits that's peculiar to their own race. So coming here to say JWs are the worst regarding a trait peculiar to a race makes your story laughable Sir!

Sorry bro, no crime is peculiar to any race or demographic. JWs has the highest cases of pedophilia and sexually-related cases in the US and Europe. Your defense is getting very annoying and embarrassing. You are a thinking adult for God's sake. How many such cases do Deeperlife, Redeem, Methodist, Presbyterians, etc have in the US and Europe since those crimes, as you say, as geo-specific and racially-induced.

MaxInDHouse:
Paul's admonition is for all beleivers in Christ that's why Christians back then were working really hard to put away the old personality {Colossians 3:9} as for reporting cases within our brothers to the authorities, that's a lie! It's each person that will decide what to do on that but members shouldn't expect the Organization to go and report on their behalf, it's between you and the person you want to report and don't expect any member to stand for you as a witness against his Christian brother before unbelievers, that's why we have our own judicial panel. If you feel like taking the case out of our own judicial panel to pagans then you're free to do so but don't expect the Organization to compel fellow believers to stand as witness against their own Christian brother or sister. So go now and broadcast it because that's the truth of the matter! It's when some feels like making fellow believers their witness in court against a believer can't find such that they're not OK with it. They want the Organization to compel members to witness against fellow believers before pagans and that is not our heritage. We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES not Witnesses against our fellow believers before pagans!

Why must you create a judicial panel thereby creating a parallel judicial system in a secular society? it is a know fact that sexual abuse cases in JW are never meant to be reported to the civil authority. This is lawlessness on the part of the watchtower organization; obstruction of justice and rebellion against the civil authority.

MaxInDHouse:
When Jesus appointed the first twelve Apostles, do you know that they were all Jews? For your information Jews are the two tribes of Israel that were separated in the southern part of Israel. Samaritans were the other ten tribes, yet Jesus said to the twelve chosen Jews “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel"
Matthew 19:28

And so, Jesus was dealing with the Jews and was sent to the house of Israel in his earthly ministry. Bringing up unrelated Bible verses to support obvious racism within your watchtower organization is crazy. Remember, you accused other Christian sect of being 'murderous and racist' (a typical JW blackmail and slander) while all your governing body member are Caucasians. It was until recently they appointment 1 Blackman after they were accused of being a racist organization.

MaxInDHouse:
Why not go and question our Master, Lord and King (Jesus Christ) who chose only Jews as Apostles but made them rulers over the entire twelve tribes of Israel? Well he is still in charge of the affairs {Hebrews 13:8} so we don't think like racists, we are not practicing DEMOCRACY that's why there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating the entire Organization globally! Matthew 7:16-18

Here you go again, invoking Jesus to defend racism going on the watchtower. Did Jesus come in contact with the Chinese, the Japanese, the Ethiopians, Indians, Arabs, etc such that he didn't chose any of this race among his disciples? Why dont we have Chinese, Indians, Africans, etc among the governing body? Why must it always be Caucasians since the watchtower are not racist?

If you want to defend the watchtower do that with logic.

Rashduct4luv:
Islam is the only religion! The only way of Life!Never a race!

We believe in all Prophets and they are all Muslims.

I will like to inform you that among what a Muslim must ''believe in'' is to believe in the Prophets. This Prophets includes Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isma'eel (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), Ayyob (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), Sulaiman (Solomon), Dawud (David), Idrees (Enoch), Dhul Kifl (Isaiah), Lut (Lot), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Ilyaas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yahya (John), 'Eesa (Jesus) and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all). And the knowledge of their numbers belongs to Allah only! We believe all of them were sent by Allah to certain set of people. Some were given Inspired Books like Torah (Musa), Zabur (Dawud) Injeel ('Eesa), Qur'an (Muhammad), etc.

If Muhammad is the true founder of Islam, that means all his followers are evil... because Muhammad would have been the most wanted evil man if he tried all what he did in this 21st century

true2god:
Agreed, all human are sinner but it is more evil to advice your congregation to cover-up for rapist, arsonist and murderers within you. You are to report crime to the authorities and this is what watchtowers had discouraged their members from doing. They hide the evil going on in their midst in order to portray a false image to the larger society.

Point of correction: The Organization is not for public judicial system so if anyone wants to go and make a report to the police they're free to do so but the Organization will never force anyone to TESTIFY against his fellow believer before pagans!
Some felt the Organization should force or compel members to testify against their fellow believers when it's cases outside the group so when they notice that it's not done they start saying all these against the Organization.

As in, how does this relate to JWs covering up for their members who broke the law and meant to be jailed? Did Jesus coverup for Judas?

Very very related Sir! Judas Iscariot was their treasurer, this man used to STEAL from the purse {John 12:4-6} please convince me that Jesus is not aware of Judas's acts or tell me why Jesus never reported Judas or speak about the theft.

If your so-called 'God's holy spirit' works only with JW we won't be having cases of sexual molestation and other vices. Your 'God's holy spirit' must be a devil's spirit for not directing you guys to always act rightly and morally.

Do you believe that God's Holy Spirit works with the first century Christians?
Why does some lied to the spirit? Act 5:4
Why was adultery reported in their midst? 1Corinthians 5:1
My guy the presence of God's Holy Spirit does not guarantee perfection in the lives of individuals, it only give room for correction as each members is washing his/her DIRTY ROBE in the blood of the lamb! Revelations 7:14

Sorry bro, no crime is peculiar to any race or demographic. JWs has the highest cases of pedophilia and sexually-related cases in the US and Europe. Your defense is getting very annoying and embarrassing. You are a thinking adult for God's sake. How many such cases do Deeperlife, Redeem, Methodist, Presbyterians, etc have in the US and Europe since those crimes, as you say, as geo-specific and racially-induced.

You err greatly Sir!
Even here in Nigeria we know that there are racial traits so you can't deny it!

Why must you create a judicial panel thereby creating a parallel judicial system in a secular society? it is a know fact that sexual abuse cases in JW are never meant to be reported to the civil authority. This is lawlessness on the part of the watchtower organization; obstruction of justice and rebellion against the civil authority.

The Christian brother in Corinth {1Corinthians 5:1} was reported not to the authorities but to the elders in the Christian Congregation who took the matter to Paul. Paul told them to disfellowship the offender {1Corinthians 5:9-13} not to take the matter to the authority but if the complainant decides to report that case to the authorities neither Paul nor Apostles or any of the Elders will compel members to testify as Witnesses against their fellow believer before pagans. So the first century Christians handled cases within them!

And so, Jesus was dealing with the Jews and was sent to the house of Israel in his earthly ministry. Bringing up unrelated Bible verses to support obvious racism within your watchtower organization is crazy. Remember, you accused other Christian sect of being 'murderous and racist' (a typical JW blackmail and slander) while all your governing body member are Caucasians. It was until recently they appointment 1 Blackman after they were accused of being a racist organization.
Here you go again, invoking Jesus to defend racism going on the watchtower. Did Jesus come in contact with the Chinese, the Japanese, the Ethiopians, Indians, Arabs, etc such that he didn't chose any of this race among his disciples? Why dont we have Chinese, Indians, Africans, etc among the governing body? Why must it always be Caucasians since the watchtower are not racist? If you want to defend the watchtower do that with logic.

Guy i'm not talking about any race outside Israel, there are twelve tribes of Israel {Exodus 1:1-5} only two in the south (Benjamin and Judah) are called "Jews" while the remaining ten tribes of the northern part of Israel are called "Samaritans".
All the twelve Apostles Jesus chose were Jews none from Samaria {Luke 6:13-16} and he is making them rulers in heaven over the entire nation of Israel {Matthew 19:28} do you know that the foundation stones of heavenly city where Jesus will rule were named according to the twelve Apostles? Revelations 21:15
So it's the same Jesus Sir {Hebrews 13:8} all we are expecting from him is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} which are the qualities of God's Holy Spirit in the midst of Jesus' followers as he promised {Matthew 7:16-18} that's what it means to BELIEVE (TRUST) in his judgement {John 3:16} no wonder there is no religious group apart from JWs that's having LOVE permeating their gathering like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES {John 13:34-35} your quest for racial balance can't make you relate well with your fellow believers in other lands the same way JWs relate like one family throughout the earth!

Moxil:


If Muhammad is the true founder of Islam, that means all his followers are evil... because Muhammad would have been the most wanted evil man if he tried all what he did in this 21st century

Muhammad is the started of Islam as we practice it today. And how do you define evil?

Evil is subjective and 21st Century is not the standard!

Animals have been nude from time immemorial but Islam prescribed Hijab. This may be seen as evil too by some who wish nudity for their female folks!

Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, confucianism, Taoism, Judaism, IFAism are all philosophies by which human relate with supreme supernatural or celestial bodies and powers for divine interventions!!

Race is defined by nature due to adaptation of a species to an environment over time ... That doesn't have to do with philosophy!!


I'm a Muslim and a Yoruba .... Thus I may not subscribe to Arabs (A race) but the Philosophy of Prophet Mohammed(saw) (an Individual) as given to Him by supreme God (Allah(swt) !!

Allah(swt) = God = Good = Humanitarianism

Love, Peace and Development that's all ... Fight for Peace and Fight to sustain Peace .... Don't stand aloof ... Fight Evil within yourself and your society within the permission of the law .... Do not Transgress!!

MaxInDHouse:
Point of correction: The Organization is not for public judicial system so if anyone wants to go and make a report to the police they're free to do so but the Organization will never force anyone to TESTIFY against his fellow believer before pagans!. Some felt the Organization should force or compel members to testify against their fellow believers when it's cases outside the group so when they notice that it's not done they start saying all these against the Organization.

Your organization has every right and need to advise it members to obey the authorities as the Bible, which they always quote, asked Christians to, including the judicial system. The law made it mandatory to report ALL crime, especially murder and sexual molesting but watchtower circulated a memo advising it members not to report one another to the authorities. Is that what your Jehovah advised you to do? Covering up for criminals.

MaxInDHouse:
Very very related Sir! Judas Iscariot was their treasurer, this man used to STEAL from the purse {John 12:4-6} please convince me that Jesus is not aware of Judas's acts or tell me why Jesus never reported Judas or speak about the theft.

The problem you guys have is that you always use Bible verses to defend your evil. You choose what you want and reject others. There is nowhere Jesus asked him disciples never to report evil to the authorities the same way watchtower is doing. Quoting John 12:4-6 to defend the watchtower’s position is laughable and shows that you have been seriously used by your organization.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe that God's Holy Spirit works with the first century Christians? Why does some lied to the spirit? Act 5:4. Why was adultery reported in their midst? 1Corinthians 5:1. My guy the presence of God's Holy Spirit does not guarantee perfection in the lives of individuals, it only give room for correction as each members is washing his/her DIRTY ROBE in the blood of the lamb! Revelations 7:14

Christ said:‘not all that call me “Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of God but he that does the will of my father”’.

Not all the first century Christians are true believers as said by Paul hence not all of them have the Holy Spirit in them. You cannot lump everyone together into the same basket in order to defend your organization’s untruthfulness. Adultery is a sin but not a crime in many countries and never a crime in the US, Europe and even Nigeria. Morally it is not good but legally it is not a crime. If someone sleeps with another man’s wife the latter cannot take him to court and win. If someone rapes another man’s wife it becomes a criminal matter. There is a difference between adultery, which is always consensual, and rape which is often coercive. The Bible verse you are quoting to defend the watchtower’s policy of concealing criminal behaviours within their organization doesn’t make sense. The issue being reported, according to the Bible verse you quoted, was about adultery (which can be considered a family issue) and not rape (which is a state crime).

MaxInDHouse:
You err greatly Sir! Even here in Nigeria we know that there are racial traits so you can't deny it!

There is no racism in Nigeria but ethnicity and Tribalism. In watchtower, there is racism because almost all the members of your governing body are white Caucasians in a religion that you call universal and for all races.

MaxInDHouse:
The Christian brother in Corinth {1Corinthians 5:1} was reported not to the authorities but to the elders in the Christian Congregation who took the matter to Paul. Paul told them to disfellowship the offender {1Corinthians 5:9-13} not to take the matter to the authority but if the complainant decides to report that case to the authorities neither Paul nor Apostles or any of the Elders will compel members to testify as Witnesses against their fellow believer before pagans. So the first century Christians handled cases within them!

Read my earlier post on this.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i'm not talking about any race outside Israel, there are twelve tribes of Israel {Exodus 1:1-5} only two in the south (Benjamin and Judah) are called "Jews" while the remaining ten tribes of the northern part of Israel are called "Samaritans". All the twelve Apostles Jesus chose were Jews none from Samaria {Luke 6:13-16} and he is making them rulers in heaven over the entire nation of Israel {Matthew 19:28} do you know that the foundation stones of heavenly city where Jesus will rule were named according to the twelve Apostles? Revelations 21:15 . So it's the same Jesus Sir {Hebrews 13:8} all we are expecting from him is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} which are the qualities of God's Holy Spirit in the midst of Jesus' followers as he promised {Matthew 7:16-18} that's what it means to BELIEVE (TRUST) in his judgement {John 3:16} no wonder there is no religious group apart from JWs that's having LOVE permeating their gathering like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES {John 13:34-35} your quest for racial balance can't make you relate well with your fellow believers in other lands the same way JWs relate like one family throughout the earth!

Here you come again, using JW’s gymnastics to defend the obvious racism and supremacy going on in your organization. It is even shocking the you are putting your watchtower in the position of Jesus and the GB in the position of the disciples in order to defend their obvious racism. It is a shame and a disgrace that you call non-JW Christians ‘racist and murderers’ while you ignore the racism and murder (including abortions) going on in your organization.

You're just envious of God's people!
Jesus didn't report Judas for stealing.
David did not report his son for commiting incest.
Jacob did not report his sons for genocide.
When your son steals your money, commit incest or does anything go and report to the police. Nobody is holding you back and if you find any JW wanting go and report.
What i'm telling you is that God's organization will not compel or force members to go and testify against fellow believers before pagans!

It's issues we will settle within ourselves that you people will continue to drag until it turns out to wars within you people, God's word said "they will use God's word to settle all their issues amicably" Micah 4:3
That's our heritage and our righteousness is from our God! Isaiah 54:17

true2god:

Your organization has every right and need to advise it members to obey the authorities as the Bible, which they always quote, asked Christians to, including the judicial system. The law made it mandatory to report ALL crime, especially murder and sexual molesting but watchtower circulated a memo advising it members not to report one another to the authorities. Is that what your Jehovah advised you to do? Covering up for criminals.
The problem you guys have is that you always use Bible verses to defend your evil. You choose what you want and reject others. There is nowhere Jesus asked him disciples never to report evil to the authorities the same way watchtower is doing. Quoting John 12:4-6 to defend the watchtower’s position is laughable and shows that you have been seriously used by your organization.
Christ said:‘not all that call me “Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of God but he that does the will of my father”’.
Not all the first century Christians are true believers as said by Paul hence not all of them have the Holy Spirit in them. You cannot lump everyone together into the same basket in order to defend your organization’s untruthfulness. Adultery is a sin but not a crime in many countries and never a crime in the US, Europe and even Nigeria. Morally it is not good but legally it is not a crime. If someone sleeps with another man’s wife the latter cannot take him to court and win. If someone rapes another man’s wife it becomes a criminal matter. There is a difference between adultery, which is always consensual, and rape which is often coercive. The Bible verse you are quoting to defend the watchtower’s policy of concealing criminal behaviours within their organization doesn’t make sense. The issue being reported, according to the Bible verse you quoted, was about adultery (which can be considered a family issue) and not rape (which is a state crime).
There is no racism in Nigeria but ethnicity and Tribalism. In watchtower, there is racism because almost all the members of your governing body are white Caucasians in a religion that you call universal and for all races.
Read my earlier post on this.
Here you come again, using JW’s gymnastics to defend the obvious racism and supremacy going on in your organization. It is even shocking the you are putting your watchtower in the position of Jesus and the GB in the position of the disciples in order to defend their obvious racism. It is a shame and a disgrace that you call non-JW Christians ‘racist and murderers’ while you ignore the racism and murder (including abortions) going on in your organization.

MaxInDHouse:
You're just envious of God's people!

When you use the word ‘God’s people’, what/who do you mean? Christians are God’s people and why should I be envious of them, the demographic which I also belong.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus didn't report Judas for stealing.

What did Judas steal and provide the evidence/reference? Any modern organization that doesn’t arrest their accountant for fraud will go out of business and may face litigation in the future. Your example doesn’t make sense.

MaxInDHouse:
David did not report his son for committing incest.

Incest is a bad thing and that David didn’t report it doesn’t make it cool. And remember, the incest led to murder and war within his family. God still judge that practice in his own way despite the fact that David controls the judicial authorities then which granted him a sort of immunity. The penalty for incest, according to mosaic law (the civil law then) is death.

MaxInDHouse:
Jacob did not report his sons for genocide.

Which of the sons of Jacob committed genocide (homicide) and provide reference? Are you now saying that homicide should not be reported to the authorities?

MaxInDHouse:
When your son steals your money, commit incest or does anything go and report to the police.

God forbid that my son steals, or do any of the vices you mentioned. I have seen fathers report their criminal children to the police. If a father fails to report his son who commit murder to the police, he is an accomplice. If the watchtower discourages their members from reporting cases of murder and rape within the organization, they are accessory to the crime.

MaxInDHouse:
Nobody is holding you back and if you find any JW wanting go and report. What I’m telling you is that God's organization will not compel or force members to go and testify against fellow believers before pagans!

Thank God for gradually confessing. We are getting somewhere. So the police and the judiciary (lawyers inclusive) are pagans who ensure law and order, and punishing offenders. That means the watchtowers are worse than pagans because the Bible admonished us to obey people in authority. If the law makes it mandatory for all cases of sexual offense and murder to be reported but the watchtower advised you not to, then that makes the watchtower evil and law breakers.

MaxInDHouse:
It's issues we will settle within ourselves that you people will continue to drag until it turns out to wars within you people, God's word said "they will use God's word to settle all their issues amicably" Micah 4:3 That's our heritage and our righteousness is from our God! Isaiah 54:17

Do you mean the issue of rape and murder should be settles amicably without involving state authorities, especially if both parties are JWs?

Go and ask David, Jesus and Jacob why they never report themselves to the authorities, before asking me questions, they are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES {Hebrews 12:1} we are following their examples not pagans like you!

true2god:

When you use the word ‘God’s people’, what/who do you mean? Christians are God’s people and why should I be envious of them, the demographic which I also belong. What did Judas steal and provide the evidence/reference? Any modern organization that doesn’t arrest their accountant for fraud will go out of business and may face litigation in the future. Your example doesn’t make sense. Incest is a bad thing and that David didn’t report it doesn’t make it cool. And remember, the incest led to murder and war within his family. God still judge that practice in his own way despite the fact that David controls the judicial authorities then which granted him a sort of immunity. The penalty for incest, according to mosaic law (the civil law then) is death. Which of the sons of Jacob committed genocide (homicide) and provide reference? Are you now saying that homicide should not be reported to the authorities? God forbid that my son steals, or do any of the vices you mentioned. I have seen fathers report their criminal children to the police. If a father fails to report his son who commit murder to the police, he is an accomplice. If the watchtower discourages their members from reporting cases of murder and rape within the organization, they are accessory to the crime. Thank God for gradually confessing. We are getting somewhere. So the police and the judiciary (lawyers inclusive) are pagans who ensure law and order, and punishing offenders. That means the watchtowers are worse than pagans because the Bible admonished us to obey people in authority. If the law makes it mandatory for all cases of sexual offense and murder to be reported but the watchtower advised you not to, then that makes the watchtower evil and law breakers. Do you mean the issue of rape and murder should be settles amicably without involving state authorities, especially if both parties are JWs?