chic2pimp:


Sheva is clearly better.

Ontop of my head, His two goal performance vs Arsenal at the emirates and His dying minute equalizer vs Italy are the ones that stick out. Not enough.

A player that has a weak NT has the CL to prove himself. Sheva from Ukraine did. Weah from Liberia took PSG to the CL semi, Lewandoski from Poland took Dortmund to the final

But Zlatans NT is the reason he was useless in the numerous seasons of CL football if they call him a Ligue 1 legend no one will argue that

nihilistjnr:


What is height?

You will soon start mentioning length and breadth.

Are you not the same person that said this:



by this formula, Messi is still owing Iniesta.

Iniesta > Messi

What Messi did to win the CL >>> what Iniesta did to win all the CL and world cups he won

raumdeuter:

Same way Nistelrooy/Henry are incomparable to Fenomeno despite the former 2 having a very prolific club career

With or without World Cup 2002, Ronaldo was rated above Nistelrooy and Henry.

Ronaldo was WPOTY in 1996 and 1997, way before 2002.

If his career ended with that injury in 1999, he would still be greater, and it has nothing to do with your World Cup and CL criteria.

nihilistjnr:



What does generalized mean, or are you mad?

https://streamja.com/ayPe

That is the video

It took 13 seconds from Lookman getting the ball to the ball being in the back of the net.

Laporte does not even look at DCL once

How can you mark a person when yo dont know his location on the pitch.


Do you understand the concept of football as a sport at all?

Now I have seen that you are trolling. Mtcheww.

Look at video by Min 64:28-30 of the match you can clearly see Laporte using his right hand to signal to Delph about DCLs position. We can tell because he expressed his frustration to Delph when DCL scored.

La Porte had to cover for Walker and Otamendi because Sigurdsson was going to be free courtesy of Otamendi scuffing his lines.

Even match commentaries blamed Otamendi.

Mtcheww.

raumdeuter:


What Messi did to win the CL >>> what Iniesta did to win all the CL and world cups he won

How is that the case? Iniesta scored in WC final.
Man of the match in CL 15 final.
Man of the match Euro 2012 final


He has beasted UCL finals and beasted WC final

Messi though was described as

dayokanu:


What did Messi do vs Belgium? He was useless from quarter finals till final

by your formula Messi owes Iniesta at least 1 million titles

Iniesta > Messi

nihilistjnr:



Says who?

Zlatan has 12 league titles - That's the result of work done over 400 games

Klose has 1 WC - that's 7 games

So because Klose won a 7 game tournament in a summer, he is now greater than someone who won 12 league titles

ori e o da

So why do you regard Maradona as greater than Messi? Does he have Messi's UCL titles (4) or La Liga titles (9)? Total goals? Freekicks?

So why will anyone in this world have an opinion that has Maradona as being greater than Messi? Is it not because of a WC?

Like I said, if someone makes a case for his preference for Klosé over Zlatan based on that, it is within his rights to and cannot be termed as totally implausible ogbeni.

Eruditor:


Now I have seen that you are trolling. Mtcheww.

Look at video by Min 64:28-30 of the match you can clearly see Laporte using his right hand to signal to Delph about DCLs position. We can tell because he expressed his frustration to Delph when DCL scored.

La Porte had to cover for Walker and Otamendi because Sigurdsson was going to be free courtesy of Otamendi scuffing his lines.

Even match commentaries blamed Otamendi.

Mtcheww.

shut up.

See where the ball is. DCL is almost kissing the back of Laportes head, and the French mugu is still unaware of where his man is.

The only thing DCL is good at is jumping. Almost all his EPL career goals are headers. The idea of Laporte sending 5'9 Delph to mark him is just morronic.

It's safe to call it Amala sports not apari sports again

Eruditor:


So why do you regard Maradona as greater than Messi? Does he have Messi's UCL titles (4) or La Liga titles (9)? Total goals? Freekicks?

So why will anyone in this world have an opinion that has Maradona as being greater than Messi? Is it not because of a WC?

Like I said, if someone makes a case for his preference for Klosé over Zlatan based on that, it is within his rights to and cannot be termed as totally implausible ogbeni.

So there was UCL in maradona's time abi o ya were?

nihilistjnr:



shut up.

See where the ball is. DCL is almost kissing the back of Laportes head, and the French mugu is still unaware of where his man is.

The only thing DCL is good at is jumping. Almost all his EPL career goals are headers. The idea of Laporte sending 5'9 Delph to mark him is just morronic.

So should he have left Sigurdsson? Abi you did not see him there at min 64:30?

Do you deny that he signalled at Delph concerning DCL? I thought you claimed he was not aware of DCLs positioning?

Should he have expected Delph to leave his position so that Digne will simply cross to Walcott?

I dont understand.

raumdeuter:


Did LucaToni have a strong NT career to bolster his club career like Klose?

The main thing that took Maradonas career over a lot of players is his exploits at the world cup.

For example tell why is Platini isnt as highly rated as Maradona even though they played at the same time

The only thing Maradona had over Platini was the world cup performance. I am sure no one cares about who scored the most goals in their club career

Same way Nistelrooy/Henry are incomparable to Fenomeno despite the former 2 having a very prolific club career

No but I feel that's more His level than Zlatan.

That comes down to my "They'll have to have been closely matched in the first place" point for Performances in big games to kick in. There was a debate about who was the greater of the two during their stints in Serie A eventhough many knew Diego was more talented. Diego's performance in 86 all but settled that debate.

Henry was the antithesis of Ronaldo. There is not a Big Finals game Ronaldo has played and not gotten on the sheet. The opposite can be said of Henry.

nihilistjnr:


So there was UCL in maradona's time abi o ya were?

European Cup no dey?

Did he not play for a league winner in Napoli?

Did he not play for Barcelona?

Ibime:
With or without World Cup 2002, Ronaldo was rated above Nistelrooy and Henry.

Ronaldo was WPOTY in 1996 and 1997, way before 2002.

If his career ended with that injury in 1999, he would still be greater, and it has nothing to do with your World Cup and CL criteria.

That is for people hung up on award, When these awards dont favor you, You come here moaning about polling booth awards

Even if Ronaldo was not given an award he will still be a greater player than Nistelrooy

An award doesnt make a player.

Owen was Balon dor, yet many people will consider Henry better than him.

canavaro was WPOTY many people wont even consider him top 2 Italian defender in the past 30yrs

Ibime who is greater Modric or Xavi?

chic2pimp:


No but I feel that's more His level than Zlatan.

That comes down to my "They'll have to have been closely matched in the first place" point for Performances in big games to kick in. There was a debate about who was the greater of the two during their stints in Serie A eventhough many knew Diego was more talented. Diego's performance in 86 all but settled that debate.

Henry was the antithesis of Ronaldo. There is not a Big Finals game Ronaldo has played and not gotten on the sheet. The opposite can be said of Henry.

Take away the big games especially the world cups, consider only league performances then Henry/Nistelrooy boss/equal Ronaldo, Platini bosses Maradona

But its a sacrilege to compare them because those who did it at the biggest stage are incomparable

airmark:


They are birds of a feather, aparisports reporter.

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na you sabi o.. just wanted to know were you were swimming to with that piece of info cos Benzema scored today, you want to use injury to save face..

It's only my take on Hazard I fully agree with raum, I rate Zlatan higher, rate Van dijk as the best in the league currently, amongst others.. So cos I and many other Chelseafan1 blv Hazard is less than Messi, Neymar and a host of others doesn't mean I'm dickriding.. I didn't even know who Dayo was when Hazardfan1 was disturbing our peace in Barcelona thread

Eruditor:


So should he have left Sigurdsson? Abi you did not see him there at min 64:30?

Do you deny that he signalled at Delph concerning DCL? I thought you claimed he was not aware of DCLs positioning?

Should he have expected Delph to leave his position so that Digne will simply cross to Walcott?

I dont understand.

Shut up


1st pic is :Laporte running away from DCL

2nd Pic he gestures Delph to mark DCL. He still does not look back to see where the guy is

3. He starts running out of position to mark air

raumdeuter:


Take away the big games especially the world cups, consider only league performances then Henry/Nistelrooy boss Ronaldo, Platini bosses Maradona

But its a sacrilege to compare them because those who did it at the biggest stage are incomparable

My "Entire of body has to be taken into consideration" point comes into play here. You simply can't focus on one part and leave the other out. For example if you ask me who the best playmaker in Serie A was in the 90s- early 2000s, I might tell you Rui Costa but we all know Zizou's resume dwarfs that or Manuel.

nihilistjnr:


Shut up


1st pic is :Laporte running away from DCL

2nd Pic he gestures Delph to mark DCL. He still does not look back to see where the guy is

3. He starts running out of position to mark air

DCL is being trailed so the next plan is to cover Otamendi's weak side. As it will so happen, Sigurdsson who should have been marked by Otamendi would have been free. By keeping a close tab on him, Digne had to loft the ball to DCL speculatively. If Laporte did not follow Sigurdsson, that would have been the routine pass Digne would make.

If you want to say Delph is not a natural LB that is fair. Other than that, he was the player following DCL while Laporte covered for Otamendi. If Ota had maintained his position, Laporte would have been on DCL. Period.

Eruditor:


DCL is being trailed so the next plan is to cover Otamendi's weak side. As it will so happen, Sigurdsson who should have been marked by Otamendi would have been free. By keeping a close tab on him, Digne had to loft the ball to DCL speculatively. If Laporte did not follow Sigurdsson, that would have been the routine pass Digne would make.

If you want to say Delph is no a natural LB that is fair. Other than that, he was the player following DCL while Laporte covered for Otamendi. If Ota had maintained his position, Laporte would have been on DCL. Period.

Actually Delph was following Walcott.

chic2pimp:


My "Entire of body has to be taken into consideration" point comes into play here. You simply can't focus on one part and leave the other out. For example if you ask me who the best playmaker in Serie A was in the 90s- early 2000s, I might tell you Rui Costa but we all know Zizou's resume dwarfs that or Manuel.

If it was entire body of work then Nistelrooy and Henry should only be "just" below Ronaldo since they had great bodies of work and probably lasted longer at the top than Ronaldo.

But no one considers them peers. Why? Because Ronaldos world cup exploits blows every other body of work out of the water

Same thing with Maradona vs Platini while Maradona is considered top 2 by many people, In many cases Platini struggles to make top 10

So if it was whole body of work then Platini should be just below Diego since he arguably had a better club career than Maradona

Also even if Rui Costas or Del Pierro entire body of work in Serie A was close to Zidane, Zizzous world cup blow Rui Costa away that is why Zidane might be top 7 of all time and I doubt Rui Costa will make top 50 of all time

You now see why the "whole body of work" argument" is nonsense.

League performance without CL or world cup performances to back it up is useless and you will be another Pauleta

How is Zlatans body of work in French league more significant than Pauleta

nihilistjnr:


Actually Delph was following Walcott.

Yes but he (Laporte) told him to leave Walcott and focus on DCL.

raumdeuter:


That is for people hung up on award, When these awards dont favor you, You come here moaning about polling booth awards

Even if Ronaldo was not given an award he will still be a greater player than Nistelrooy

With or without award, CL or World Cup, Ronaldo was greater than Henry and Nistelrooy. Your CL and WC criteria is even more porous than Award criteria.

Ronaldos awards were more than deserved, not fake award like Luka Modric who only won cos of Ronaldo rãpe case.

raumdeuter:


Ibime who is greater Modric or Xavi?

Award criteria can never place Modric over Xavi as Modric never placed above Xavi when they both played at the top.

If a rat decide to beat his chest after the cats have left, it will never make the rat greater than the cat.

Ibime:
With or without award, CL or World Cup, Ronaldo was greater than Henry and Nistelrooy. You CL and WC criteria is even more porous than Award criteria.

Ronaldos awards were more than deserved, not fake award like Luka Modric who only won cos of Ronaldo rãpe case.

Award criteria can never place Modric over Xavi as Modric never placed above Xavi when they both played at the top.

If a rat decide to beat his chest after the cats have left, it will never make the rat greater than the cat.

So Xavi is better than Modric despite Modric winning WPOTY

Okay who is greater Owen and Henry. Both played at the same time. One won Balon Dor

Who is better Canavaro or Maldini?

raumdeuter:


So Xavi is better than Modric despite Modric winning WPOTY

Okay who is better Owen and Henry. Both played at the same time. One won Balon Dor

Who is better Canavaro or Maldini?

Kaka can never be better than Garrincha despite Garrincha never winning WPOTY.

What Owen won is a minor award, then known as European footballer of the year, usually reserved as a losers award for those who stand little chance in the WPOTY award proper.

WPOTY award is usually not controversial unlike FIFPRO11 or EPOTY.

Couple of WPOTY awards that were considered slightly controversial were Zidane in 2000, some may even say Cannavaro in 2006 if you consider Ronaldinhos club form that season.

2018 award to Modric is the first time WPOTY became a laughing stock.

Eruditor:


Yes but he (Laporte) told him to leave Walcott and focus on DCL.

which was clearly a rètarded move.

That's exactly the sort of thing Dayo told us Laporte doesn't do

Ibime:


Kaka can never be better than Garrincha despite Garrincha never winning WPOTY.

What Owen won is a minor award, then known as European footballer of the year, usually reserved as a losers award for those who stand little chance in the WPOTY award proper.

WPOTY award is usually not controversial unlike FIFPRO11 or EPOTY.

Couple of WPOTY awards that were considered slightly controversial were Zidane in 2000, some may even say Cannavaro in 2006 if you consider Ronaldinhos club for that season.

2018 award to Mordic is the first time WPOTY became a laughing stock.

Owen won Balon dor, Henry did not win anyone Not Balon dor , not WPOTY. They are in the same generation

If Balon dor was Golf and WPOTY was Mercedes

Owen rode a Golf, Henry couldnt ride anything

raumdeuter:


Owen won Balon dor, Henry did not win anyone Not Balon dor , not WPOTY. They are in the same generation[

If Balon dor was Golf and WPOTY was Mercedes

Owen rode a Golf, Henry couldnt ride anything

Go and look how many awards Henry won and compare to Owen.

Balon D'or was a minor award when Owen won it. Henry is too big to be considered for such losers award. Stop trying to be smart by half. Owen did not even chart in 2001 WPOTY award when he won Balon D'or. Henry has two silver balls in WPOTY which is greater than Owen's losers award.

We won't even go into numerous other awards Henry won such as two European golden boots which carries more weight than Owen's losers award.

Just because Sevilla won Europa league does not make them greater than Juventus who lost in UCL final.

Ibime:


Go and look how many awards Henry won and compare to Owen.

Balon D'or was a minor award when Owen won it. Stop trying to be smart by half. Owen did not even chart in 2001 WPOTY award when he won Balon D'or. Henry has two silver balls in WPOTY which is greater than Owen's losers award.

We won't even go into numerous other awards Henry won such as two European golden boots which carries more weight than Owen's losers award.

The 2 individual awards were Balon dor and WPOTY one major one minor

Henry did not win any

Owen won the minor one

raumdeuter:


The 2 individual awards were Balon dor and WPOTY one major one minor

Henry did not win any

Owen won the minor one

Europa League winner is not better than losing UCL finalist.

Ibime:


Europa League winner is not better than losing UCL finalist.

UCL finalists dont contest Europa league

There isnt a separate pool for Balon dor and WPOTY. Its the same set of players considered for both

raumdeuter:


If it was entire body of work then Nistelrooy and Henry should only be "just" below Ronaldo since they had great bodies of work and probably lasted longer at the top than Ronaldo.

But no one considers them peers. Why? Because Ronaldos world cup exploits blows every other body of work out of the water

Same thing with Maradona vs Platini while Maradona is considered top 2 by many people, In many cases Platini struggles to make top 10

So if it was whole body of work then Platini should be just below Diego since he arguably had a better club career than Maradona

Also even if Rui Costas or Del Pierro entire body of work in Serie A was close to Zidane, Zizzous world cup blow Rui Costa away that is why Zidane might be top 7 of all time and I doubt Rui Costa will make top 50 of all time

You now see why the "whole body of work" argument" is nonsense.

League performance without CL or world cup performances to back it up is useless and you will be another Pauleta

How is Zlatans body of work in French league more significant than Pauleta

Nah Ronaldo and Armando's entire body far exceeds the likes of Henry and Platini. If my Aunty had balls, She'll be my uncle. If we only part one part of a player's career into consideration, then we might have to reconsider who we call All Timers. Thankfully it's not.

World Cup performance without a Solid catalogue of work to back it up makes you another Toto or Salenko.

But Zlatan's entire body is not just the French league though. Limiting it to just that would be doing Him a great disservice.

chic2pimp:


Nah Ronaldo and Armando's entire body far exceeds the likes of Henry and Platini. If my Aunty had balls, She'll be my uncle. If we only part one part of a player's career into consideration, then we might have to reconsider who we call All Timers. Thankfully it's not.

World Cup performance without a Solid catalogue of work to back it up makes you another Toto or Salenko.

But Zlatan's entire body is not just the French league though. Limiting it to just that would be doing Him a great disservice.

Rui Costa, DelPiero had stronger league performances than Zidane over many years

Or How was Zidanes league performances in his career compared to Rui Costa or DelPiero

Why is Zidane considered to be in a different league from them

This Zlatans body of work did not extend to the CL did not extend t the NT it only stopped at league level like Pauleta