brodalokie:


I am heating up the discussion like an adamant sword cutting the flesh of a god. My nick is Abey or Abiodun. I am a logo to the Yoruba tribe

Olu317:


Moses was a crown prince but with reason. And I am sorry, he reigned in his time and we are in different era. So if you say so that he is well versed than you and I. But mind you, I am slightly knowledgeable in English language, Français lingue ,ancient Hebrew and quite knowlwdgeable in Yoruba's. As you can see,I am not the one directing my footsteps but Élédaáà{ponder over this].

As far as I am concerned,it is not about Noah because he did not give birth to only one child, if we followed the historical account of the Bible. But the descendants that begun from Terah-Abram. Unfortunately,Abram left this his people to start another race who are Ivri people (Hebrew). And if one consider the Chaldeans, who were part of Shem descendants are black people. Godfrey Higgins, a reliable English antiquary says,‘Chaldeans were originally Negroes'.Professor Rudolph Windsor is in total agreement with this , which he stated in his very noteworthy book, ‘FROM  BABYLON TO TIMBUKTU'. He wrote, ‘ The Chaldeans and of that Region were jet black in their complexion'. Today, Basra people are dark skin people  indigenous in Iraq to proof this point.

Sir, I am not interested in the astrology you posit because they are greek invention! , Egyptian etc and not Yorubas. Have you ever seen or heard Yoruba claiming their God as having Ram's horn? No,even if Yoruba have myths.....Have you ever seen Yoruba doctrine worshiping ram as Egyptians did before Islam?No

Furthermore,no Yoruba king (priest and ruler) ever claim to be God but Igba ikeji Orisa. Do you know the meaning of this? On Aries again, I disagree with you because it is about being a ruler. The below screensscreenshot says it all.


Note:I am African today but my ancestors have a foothold in Middle East as they did in Egypt and doing it in West Africa.This is what happen in each area Yoruba arrived......Ponder...

Cheers

brodalokie:


Who no like better thing? Everybody just dey claim children of Abraham

The ram deity is the simbol of Aries in the Roman astrology. In Egypt he is Osiris. They worship many gods but the most respected and revered was Ra. The sphinx and pyramid are mythical representations of Ra. They were both actual human beings just like those of the Yoruba myths. Their pharaohs also claimed to represent God on earth, just as in the case of Bel or Cush, the original founder of Babel and the son of Ham claimed to hear from God while he interpret languages but in the process confused them. When you look at the photos of the pharaohs, it is exactly dressed up like the head of the sphinx. I have a thread about the sphinx if you care to check my page.
Egypt is also named among the middle east and their relationship with Israel is thicker than water. I am glad that you have always included Egypt when talking of the immigration route of the Yorubas. It is possible that they also brought in the cultural formation along with them.

brodalokie:


Moses was a crowned prince of Egypt and next in line to Pharaoh. He schooled there and then furthered his education in another place before he wrote the scrows or scripts, the first five books of the Holy Bible. He is more learned than you and me. Noah is the bone of contention and his children are the ones who has divided the lines and map of the present world. After the confusion or chaos of Babylon the various lingos could have had different names they called him and his descendants of which we yorubas are part of. From history it was Ham that migrated to the plains of Africa and established a colony there and his son Cush founded Babel which Nimrod expanded. In other tribes Cush is called Bel, Baal, Janus, Mercury, Hermes (meaning, Son of Ham). He was a high priest that claimed to hear from the gods or God. He interpreted the languages and in the process confused them. Janus is depicted as a man with claws with which he scattered the people. This is why the Bible said they could not finish building the tower to reach the heavens. In Greece, Hermes is next thing close to Zeus. Shem in the other hand remains in the middle east and carried on the tradition of his father Noah and the Jews are his direct descendants. From Noah to Shem to a Abraham to David to Jesus, they keeped the records even when they went to captive in Egypt, Babylon, Persia etc. Ham was cursed because he derailed. He saw Noah's unclothedness, he imposes himself as a deity and became a Zeus and it worked out as his children began to initiate trojan wars and expanded their territories into an empire, the same thing Cain did. But Shem who had the promise was living among them waiting on God for the promise, they died in the hope until God called Abram to wage war on Cannan.

Aries is a god of war. Go and verify.

Olu317:


Moses was a crown prince but with reason. And I am sorry, he reigned in his time and we are in different era. So if you say so that he is well versed than you and I. But mind you, I am slightly knowledgeable in English language, Français lingue ,ancient Hebrew and quite knowlwdgeable in Yoruba's. As you can see,I am not the one directing my footsteps but Élédaáà{ponder over this].

As far as I am concerned,it is not about Noah because he did not give birth to only one child, if we followed the historical account of the Bible. But the descendants that begun from Terah-Abram. Unfortunately,Abram left this his people to start another race who are Ivri people (Hebrew). And if one consider the Chaldeans, who were part of Shem descendants are black people. Godfrey Higgins, a reliable English antiquary says,‘Chaldeans were originally Negroes'.Professor Rudolph Windsor is in total agreement with this , which he stated in his very noteworthy book, ‘FROM  BABYLON TO TIMBUKTU'. He wrote, ‘ The Chaldeans and of that Region were jet black in their complexion'. Today, Basra people are dark skin people  indigenous in Iraq to proof this point.

Sir, I am not interested in the astrology you posit because they are greek invention! , Egyptian etc and not Yorubas. Have you ever seen or heard Yoruba claiming their God as having Ram's horn? No,even if Yoruba have myths.....Have you ever seen Yoruba doctrine worshiping ram as Egyptians did before Islam?No

Furthermore,no Yoruba king (priest and ruler) ever claim to be God but Igba ikeji Orisa. Do you know the meaning of this? On Aries again, I disagree with you because it is about being a ruler. The below screensscreenshot says it all.


Note:I am African today but my ancestors have a foothold in Middle East as they did in Egypt and doing it in West Africa.This is what happen in each area Yoruba arrived......Ponder...

Cheers

bluke:


you seems to be right,
most of the biblical account were sumerian texts, events before abraham.

bluke:


whats the difference btw your analysis and yoruba belief ststem that obatala started creation, got drunk and someones completed it.

Olu317:
I don't think you are heating up the issue because you have not been following up for a long time..The basis of these juxtaposition is Yoruba as Hebrews or who are Yoruba's...And I posted some linguists interpretation of ancient Hebrew which is a CLASSIC LANGUAGE as having Cognates with Yoruba language....As shocking as some people saw ,so do I see these cognates.. So if you want to understand these,then kindly study what it means to have the following when foreigners arrives
in a Community newly:

Supplementary

Complementary

Replacive


Cheers.

brodalokie:


Either you're a goat or a ram. That's the difference

I am trying to get you to see that we on this side are beneficiaries of the common education of the greatest textbook or scripture call the Holy Bible. Noah is obatala who got drunk and Nimrod is the one who finished it right?

ImperialYoruba:


My brother, do you even have a clue why ram was chosen to symbolize Aries?

Brodalokie, do you know who RAM was and how it came to be a designate for the male sheep, and also crept into astrological symbols?


If you were following what Prince has been teaching by now you should get the pattern of root words in ancient Hebrew and their corresponding Yoruba words after vowels are added. There are other works as well, particularly Absolutesuccess is good at decoding ancient names and their meaning behind them. Metaphysics is good at showing esoteric or metaphysical dimensions behind these names. These guys have proven the connections between Yoruba and Cannan Hebrews. Forget about Arabs, those are new kids on the block and a beneficiary of Yoruba knowledge. Yoruba donated words and practices to Arab.

Can you hear me?

So, who is RAM?


If a man plants a seed into the soil it yields to him and produces a benefit after some time. This is in the material world.

Similarly if he plants a word into the heavens it will yield and after a while brings his word to bear result for him. This is in the spiritual world.

That which we plant in material we call IRE.

That which we plant in spirit we call ASHE.

The duality of IRE and ASHE gives us survival. Each one is in custody of a deity...or a divine agent of God. Both agents are R-M-L in their root identity.

The material deity is irumo-ile.....IRUMOLE. The spiritual deity is orumo-ila....ORUMILA.

In both you can see the root word R-M-L.

These two were agents of creation in the morning dew, out of which emanated luminence we call Imole.

The dew came down and soaked into the soil, their togetherness yielded Adimula.

So the manifests of creation that bear the essence of Irumole will have xxxmole as a postfix. Example is the Imole, there are many more.


The manifests of creation that bear the essence of Orumila will have xxxmila as post fix. Example Adimula.


Adimula is a yield from coming together of two divine causes. He cannot exist in isolation of either. The two are his nature and a polarity that gives him a cause and effect awareness.

Adimula in turn was made to produce a polar opposite of himself. The grounds on which this breakthrough occurred is what we call Ile Ife. Adimula and the polar flesh created were indigenes of Ile Ife


Those who later learnt this knowledge changed the two personas to ADAM for Adimula and LEVE for Ile Ife. Leve was further reduced to EVE when it got into Greek's hands.

Levant, Levi...are all attributes denoting the feminine flesh produced out of the man originating when dew (Ashe) of Orumila soaked the fertile soil (Ire) of Irumole.

The two polarities of Adimula and Ife also came together and RE-produced their images going forward.


So now, how did RAM get into all these? Confusion!

It was result of confusion. This is topic for another day. But i want to leave you with an assignment.

Adimula started a practice inspired in him through the consciousness of Orumila. This practice is what we call IFA.

During consultation IFA will ask for burnt offerings or blood sacrifice. Go and read about Luwa (Noah) and his mission with the mythical flood. He was commanded to take two of every kind. This is the point at which he became Oluwo, cognomen for his name Luwa. This was turning point. The two of every kind is the divination in Ifa.

Every prophet goes through a breaking point told via a myth. The flood was Luwa's transition into prophethood.


Im not done yet...be patient!

In that same commandment he was also instructed to keep seven of certain animals. Why?
Those were animals accepted as clean species for burnt offerings.

Now, those same animals are the exact ones used for burnt offerings by Babalawos (Baba Oluwo, the disciples of Oluwo Luwa - Noah).


If you want more revelation you should ackowledge that Yoruba is the most Superior race on earth.



I will show you much much much much much much later how Yoruba taught Arab what they knew. The scriptures of Old Testament, Proverbs in New Testament....these are all records about Yorubas genealogy and customs.


Yoruba, the most Superior race on earth.

bluke:


you lack decorum and cant present your case without the NURTW language.
im telling you the story was twisted.
check my post.
your noahs account was from summer in iraq axis where yorubas came from.
from adam to abraham were events 4000 yrs old before your delusional act.
u better wake up or you remain in your cesspit.

brodalokie:


The mula in adimula is the teeth that mawiwawi or moles human flesh. Can't take a joke? Fine then, below is your straight answer.

If history was twisted then, you would be telling me that the Sumerians or Iraqis migrated from the Yorubas.

bluke:


read the study in diffusion i posted.
yorubas were from iraq (yathrib)

ImperialYoruba:


Alaye mi, Iba o. Aa jo yin o. Aa to yin ba sir.

There is nothing new under the sun, but there are plenty things hidden from mankind. Somethings must not be shared because they can endager mind and corrupt thoughts. So in their wisdom our ancestors tuck knowledge into words and encrypt them with a different code to hide its true nature. They know it will be found. In fact they want it to be found, but by those deserving. ObalufonIII and macof can never get me to talk about this, ill just yab dem, but because na you I go talk.

There is nothing in indigenous land or its language called ABURO. It does not belong in the lexicon of the Niger-Congo family of languages. Same thing with AKOBI. They are both foreign terms to narrate an ancient custom brought with the Yorubas from their ancient foreign homeland.

Before i continue let me give you a brain teaser.

The narrators said Isaac (Aisaku) and Rebekah had fraternal twin sons Esau and Jacob. Esau was older and Jacob was younger but through some cunning Jacob cheated Esau and took the blessings reserved for the first born.

In essence what they are saying is customarily in that land first born sons are entitled to a spiritual rite, sort of a pass of the baton through the generations. The ritual involve placing of hand to anoint the son and invoke a praise for him. Beyond this spiritual practice a material practice also exist where after death the posessions and estate of the father is shared out and the first son has a first priority and largest share of that inheritance.

So Jacob cheated Esau out of both. It was possible with the treachery of the mother in favor of Jacob against Esau and the father, because in essence the father was also cheated in the act.

Ok. Now, check this out Alaye mi, they said Esau was red.

So what color was Jacob? In fact what color were their parents?

Thats the first tease.


Amongst light skin people red does not stand out as a distinct aberration. The white skin will call a red person tanned or dark...but never red!

It is only amongst dark skin that red stand out in contrast and will become a attribute or feature for identity.

Alaye mi, am i lying?


So Aisaku and his wife Rebecah were dark skinned, so was Jacob.


Jacob had a different name at birth. Jacob was a later acquisition post his successful deception. That birth name is lost.

At the cross-blessing where father placed hand on his head, AB-URo, the younger transposed to become firstborn or AKOBI and with that he acquired a new title and name....JAKOBI.

In fact later in life he acquired a new name and title and changed from Jacobi to ISRAEL (Asaraelu).

Another variation of spelling is Yakob. Jacob becomes Yakobi.


The transposition became a new custom and tradition to pass blessings to twins amongst the generations.

Hence in twin birth the Aburo becomes Akobi. Even though we clearly identify the chronology of birth as a time marker for Kehinde (the late arrival) we still stick with our ancient custom of giving Kehinde his entitlement and bring Taye behind him as Aburo.

Here is the next brain teaser. Are you game?


Our ancestors encrypted this knowledge tactically.

The first letter Y in YAKOBI is a distraction. Take it out and leave him as AKOBI, period.

Now move that Y and glue to ABURO to make ABUROY.

Now spell it backward to get YORUBA.

The dark skinned Aisiku, Rebekah, ati awon Ibeji...Esau and Akobi were YORUBAS.

This is not their tradition that got screwed up...no, the tradition and custom of their fore fathers was given a new meaning with twin births.

Check this out Alaye mi....

Akobi gained new gnomen and became Asaraelu (Israel). This is the father and ancestor of what we now know as Children of Israel.

Children of Israel came out of a Yoruba ancestry.

Alaye mi, make I digress small, I cant let this pass for nothing.

To all yanninrin jews reading this, Yoruba is your father. You must bow down and worship Yoruba. Yeye people.


Ok...that feels good!


So like i was saying before Ibo people distracted my attention, Israel repeated this act with his grandchildren from Joseph.

Manaseh (Alase) is older but (Asaraelu) cross-blessed the younger Ephraim (Efaremi) with entitlement reserved for first born. Their father, Joseph (Osiefa), was present and in shock reacted and asked if their grandfather was confused to have done that. In other words, Joseph knew what the custom and tradition of the race is and this new one introduced by his father diverted from the ways of the ancestors. That new ways became ordained and a practice followed down. Even the Canaan custom that predated Jacob also yielded to the new custom and is why in Yoruba custom till today the cross-blessing is found only in twin births. Ordinary siblings retain their chronology order and entitlements in place. No change, as was the custom traced back to the father of Yorubas, Noah (Luwa).

brodalokie:


That was only a recent perversion of original revelation by a great sage of the Uz-ibogo family. Did you notice the rib in yathrib? It means byproduct.
If Yorubas are from Iraq then everybody is from Iraq. Igbo people also claim affinity to Abraham. We don't even have to argue Hausa's tie.

Moreover, the Moses' Serpent will always swallow those of his Egyptian counterparts.

bluke:


go check oonis visit to ghana.
the yorubas and the ghana group migrated together, rested in ife before journeying to present day ghana where they finally settled.
it was a courtesy visit, to check if they got home in peace.
if you know, you know.

brodalokie:


He is so kind. How many days was he there for?

bluke:


you are not far from ife,
go ask him.

brodalokie:


But there is a moses and he schooled in Egypt then there was a Shem, Ham and Japhet. They may be called different names. What if I told you that the Nimrod you know is the same person as Zoroaster or probably Lepacus?

bluke:


this hebrewism started from abraham, if he came from ur of chaldean and crossed into canaan. then the canaanites were before him.
hebrew= cross over.
As some people claimed, he was the son of the priest, (Abore in yoruba) but corrupted into hebrew

brodalokie:


Who no like better thing? Everybody just dey claim children of Abraham

The ram deity is the simbol of Aries in the Roman astrology. In Egypt he is Osiris. They worship many gods but the most respected and revered was Ra. The sphinx and pyramid are mythical representations of Ra. They were both actual human beings just like those of the Yoruba myths. Their pharaohs also claimed to represent God on earth, just as in the case of Bel or Cush, the original founder of Babel and the son of Ham claimed to hear from God while he interpret languages but in the process confused them. When you look at the photos of the pharaohs, it is exactly dressed up like the head of the sphinx. I have a thread about the sphinx if you care to check my page.
Egypt is also named among the middle east and their relationship with Israel is thicker than water. I am glad that you have always included Egypt when talking of the immigration route of the Yorubas. It is possible that they also brought in the cultural formation along with them.

bluke:



if you mentioned nimrod before all these civilisations, then yorubas superior.
Nimrod was there grt grand father. The father of oduduwa.

Olu317:
How do you proof this?

Olu317:


Historians and Egyptologists claims that even the word Ivri-eber-Hebrew was what Abram called himself when he lived and he was born in Ur and was son of a man who lived in Ur. In effect,they were strangers but had special divinity power to connect with a unique God that was faceless, unlike other groups..This singled him out.

And yes, the Canaan/Kanaan were not Hebrews from initially from history because they had occupied that land before Abraham descendants appeared but that land had been promised to Abram by El who sent the descendants of Abram to land of kmt for 400+ years( according to biblical narrative) the exodus through Sinai.Although,through intermarriage some Canaanite became part of ancient Hebrew,which made them become assimilated. Even at this, some historians claimed that the Canaanite aren't really different from Hebrew


Abram was a son of priest and a priest himself but his own knowledge became unique through discovery of supreme power.

On the abore postulation,as meaning abraham is a bit not incoherent because I am yet to find such meaning in the western linguistics analysis or semblance with their interpretation. Mind you, I am not saying, the western researchers ‘must' have cognate but abo ore(Ore-deity worshiper) is not the same as ab—aba (father) in the same way Jesus said on the Cross, as ‘abba'(father)....



Cheers

Olu317:


No sir, you are wrong because the Egyptians WORSHIPPED RAM and Yoruba used it as sacrifice. So liking to be called Hebrew isnt a big deal but who the YORUBAS ARE.There are people in the bible that God mentioned separately even with the love he has for everyone born of YHWH- IWA(Yoruba's ). Do you even know western researchers do not know the meaning of YHWH ,which simply mean HOLINESS-WITHOUT BLEMISH-RIGTHEOUSNESS (IWA) IN YORUBA.

Even if nearly all Yoruba historians or linguists have no clue about it right now but in their hearts they ponder over it if it is true or not. In fact, Yoruba do have two version of their history; the first settlers and the immigrants settlers and the immigrants settled down and multiplied more than the settlers before them. Perhaps you ought ponder why the closest Yoruba neighbors do not prostrate in their tradition or have multiple twins as Yoruba do.


Note:
If I decide to post my researched Yoruba cognates with ancient Afro-Asia/Semitic through the Hebrew classical language,you will wonder, Sir.



Cheers.

bluke:


historically how or why were they expelled from egypt (exodus)
you may be able to help the lokie guy that got locked up.

the hebrews were black, the jews were black.

brodalokie:


The Jews are not black, it is only a conspiracy theory. The are mostly Olive color or Yellow like the Chinese. That is not to say that there was no black people living among them in the minority. Do you know that the middle eastern people are mostly Caucasians? Or do you think it was only recently they started developing pointed noses and bottled necks? Why do you think black is the first colour related to human being?
Exodus means journey so you can't be calling me a goat over that even though I am a goat
Even though Ham was black, who knew whether his wife was white? There is no 100% guarantee that the Egyptians were all black and their mixing with the jews could have further influenced a color change if so.

brodalokie:


The mula in adimula is the teeth that mawiwawi or moles human flesh. Can't take a joke? Fine then, below is your straight answer.

If history was twisted then, you would be telling me that the Sumerians or Iraqis migrated from the Yorubas.

bluke:


its called age of reasoning, dont know when you'll get their.
goodluck, not jonathan.

Olu317:
No, the Sumerians did not part to from but Yoruba ancestors migrated to that part of the land from the following information. Perhaps,it reflect on

The Sumerians called themselves ‘Saggig', which is interpreted as ‘black headed ones' because they shaved their heads The Sumerians had in their  cuneiform writing ,that they were modest and humble which is reflected in their dress, consisting mainly of a simple tunic. They were clean shaven, and also were thought to shave their heads bare.

In Yoruba land: This For a inumerable years this songs in ancient ILEIFE Says,

Omo Olu IFE Ooni bante Jogina,
L 'o mu IFE Ooni wu mi,Ori fifa kodoro 
L' o mu IFE su mi

(Worthy children of Lord Ooni(owner) of IFE, worthy Jogina apron wearers
This endear IFE Ooni to me,total head shaving,however,that repels me

Omo Oju r'abe sa, omo bante Jogina 
L' o mu IFE wu mi,Ori fifa kodoro 
L' o mu Ibé su mi

( children who flee at the sight of razor, Worthy Jogina Apron wearers,
This endears me to IFE  Ooni, worthy total head shaving children,however, that repels me)

As you can see, ancient Yoruba ancestors wore Bante; apron wearers,and Banté was not worn in west Africa until arrival of Yoruba ancestors from the land of Egypt-Morroco-Sudan- Nigeria..

Olu317:
No, the Sumerians did not part to from but Yoruba ancestors migrated to that part of the land from the following information. Perhaps,it reflect on

The Sumerians called themselves ‘Saggig', which is interpreted as ‘black headed ones' because they shaved their heads The Sumerians had in their  cuneiform writing ,that they were modest and humble which is reflected in their dress, consisting mainly of a simple tunic. They were clean shaven, and also were thought to shave their heads bare.

In Yoruba land: This For a inumerable years this songs in ancient ILEIFE Says,

Omo Olu IFE Ooni bante Jogina,
L 'o mu IFE Ooni wu mi,Ori fifa kodoro 
L' o mu IFE su mi

(Worthy children of Lord Ooni(owner) of IFE, worthy Jogina apron wearers
This endear IFE Ooni to me,total head shaving,however,that repels me

Omo Oju r'abe sa, omo bante Jogina 
L' o mu IFE wu mi,Ori fifa kodoro 
L' o mu Ibé su mi

( children who flee at the sight of razor, Worthy Jogina Apron wearers,
This endears me to IFE  Ooni, worthy total head shaving children,however, that repels me)

As you can see, ancient Yoruba ancestors wore Bante; apron wearers,and Banté was not worn in west Africa until arrival of Yoruba ancestors from the land of Egypt-Morroco-Sudan- Nigeria..