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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Nobody: 10:19am On Dec 18, 2018
aaronson:
well, let me admit this but usually its few and mostly the female gender, these set of people has the ability to adapt if you care to get them to learn because they already know the basics which facilitates learning and quick understanding and what is that basic? Good communication skill.

Based and redpilled

Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by GrammarNazi1(m): 10:19am On Dec 18, 2018
Admin401:


Are this really the types of intelligence you could come up with?
...these...types...

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Nobody: 10:25am On Dec 18, 2018
GrammarNazi1:

...these...types...
tnx.

Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by AryEmber(f): 10:35am On Dec 18, 2018
TonyeBarcanista:

Were you taught tenses, grammar, comprehension, writing etc in your native language? NO.

Yes, I was. I agree with you though.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by ImaIma1(f): 10:43am On Dec 18, 2018
MissRaine69:

Being able to speak English is NOT a measure of intelligence. There are whole countries were English is not spoken at all and they have space programmes and very intelligent beings there. Thinking it is a measure of intelligence is a throw back to a colonial past that made us subservient to our own capabilities.


These countries you mention...is English their lingua Franca? They probably speak their own lingua Franca fluently.

If a person is unable to speak the official language of his/her country fluently, what was that person busy learning?

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Ballack1(m): 11:12am On Dec 18, 2018
Since English is our official language in this country,you should be able be express yourself in English to some extent. Keep learning until you are good at it, that's one of the attributes of been intelligent.

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by LuvSwollenPussy(m): 12:25pm On Dec 18, 2018
Admin401:


Are this really the types of intelligence you could come up with?
If you have more to add the body of knowledge, just tell us ...simple!
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by BluntBoy(m): 12:38pm On Dec 18, 2018
Shugavee:
reason for this thread!! English has nothing to do with intelligence. It’s a misguided misconception that needs to change.. English is not our mother tongue .

Which one is misguided misconception again?

Is there a guided misconception before cheesy

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Adiwana: 12:40pm On Dec 18, 2018
Mental Slavery is the worst form of Slavery. If you ever wanted to know why our ancestors were sold for a mirror,dont look too far.Just come on this thread and see evidence.Thats why practicing your tradition is considered an abomination but believing in the White man's Jesus's is true thing.smfh

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by hibiscus76(f): 7:06pm On Dec 18, 2018
Nwamaka1419:
do you value English more than your native language
For official purposes, YES

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Nobody: 8:21pm On Dec 18, 2018
StylesX:
You don't understand me dear, i am the one disagreeing with the notion, i told her English is a measure of intelligence but she is disagreeing, maybe she can't speak English too.
Speaking good English is not a measure of intelligence, I for instance, I'm not 100percent perfect in written English but when it comes to my field, I am a pro. So my dear, English is not a measure of intelligence.

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Biglittlelois(f): 8:55pm On Dec 18, 2018
I love this thread, thought-provoking comments soo far, i'm here to learn smiley


cc; onesentence

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by onyedan(m): 9:14pm On Dec 18, 2018
english is not a measure of intelligent bcus i have friend during my school days when it come to vocal xpression or should i say presentation is not good at speaking gramma like the one i see here on nairaland but this bros is highly intelligent when it come to writting test n exam insure is one of the best studrnt in term of IQ n best grade.

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Biglittlelois(f): 9:22pm On Dec 18, 2018
Adiwana:
Mental Slavery is the worst form of Slavery. If you ever wanted to know why our ancestors were sold for a mirror,dont look too far.Just come on this thread and see evidence.Thats why practicing your tradition is considered an abomination but believing in the White man's Jesus's is true thing.smfh


Since you think speaking English language is a form of mental slavery from the whites, kindly suggest to FG to let everyone speak and learn in their different native language, we'll then see how all of us can communicate with each other, dont bring religion here undecided

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Adiwana: 9:41pm On Dec 18, 2018
Biglittlelois:



Since you think speaking English language is a form of mental slavery from the whites, kindly suggest to FG to let everyone speak and learn in their different native language, we'll then see how all of us can communicate with each other, dont bring religion here undecided

And when is speaking english a measure of intelligenceThere are thousands of languages in the whole world and you think speaking one makes you smarter than the next person.China do not speak English and where are they??They do everything,even code in Chinese and they are on top of the world.


I brought religion cause we want to believe what the white man tells us and follow his ways thereby losing our identity.We believe his way is better and our ways are evil


To too many dumb fvcks that care to listen and educate themselves should make a little research before thinking cause they command the language more than others they are more intelligent.Do you know that some of the words that is being taught today are mispronunciations on the part of Queen herself.Where do you all think the term "Queens English" come from.Make a little research before elevating yourselves on the high level of ignorance

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by edicied: 9:46pm On Dec 18, 2018
English as a subject or English as a Language?
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Biglittlelois(f): 9:59pm On Dec 18, 2018
Adiwana:


And when is speaking english a measure of intelligenceThere are thousands of languages in the whole world and you think speaking one makes you smarter than the next person.China do not speak English and where are they??They do everything,even code in Chinese and they are on top of the world

To too many dumb bleeps that care to listen and educate themselves should make a little research before thinking cause they command the language more than others they are more intelligent.Do you know that some of the words that is being taught today are mispronunciations on the part of Queen herself.Make a little research before elevating yourselves on the high level of ignorance

I will overlook the insults and innuendos,

Now as you said, there are thousands of languges around the world, true, but i care less about them, the Chinese use an official language yes, but do you know they have different dialects? no you dont, but they agreed to use a particular one to make it official which worked for them till today.

In Nigeria, we have different languages, and some languages e.g. Yoruba, have different dialects, so please, school me if there is, but there is no language of ours that have words for codes and everything as you said, if you want us to start that, you can suggest it to FG to work on it, then they can decide on which language to use officially if other tribes will agree smiley


I am open to other valid points, but to me, English may not necessarily be an 100% measure for intelligence, but it takes a higher percentage of 80%.

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Adiwana: 10:51pm On Dec 18, 2018
Biglittlelois:


I will overlook the insults and innuendos,

Now as you said, there are thousands of languges around the world, true, but i care less about them, the Chinese use an official language yes, but do you know they have different dialects? no you dont, but they agreed to use a particular one to make it official which worked for them till today.

In Nigeria, we have different languages, and some languages e.g. Yoruba, have different dialects, so please, school me if there is, but there is no language of ours that have words for codes and everything as you said, if you want us to start that, you can suggest it to FG to work on it, then they can decide on which language to use officially if other tribes will agree smiley


I am open to other valid points, but to me, English may not necessarily be an 100% measure for intelligence, but it takes a higher percentage of 80%.


Maybe you got me all wrong.So many factors such as diversity determine why a single language is chosen as a national language.Never was I against that.But to say that someone who doesn't speak fluently or speak at all that national language is less intelligent than you is blatant ignorance


Leme break it down this way

My roomate in Uni had a GP of 4.85 in Mechanical Engr before he left to study abroad.Dude barely spoke his mother tongue.Infact I taught him what he knew so far in the language.But does the fact that he barely knew what "come" was in his native tongue take away what he did with Mechanical calculations?
Did it take away the fact that he was "intelligent" in others aspects of his studies??You answer that

Another example.Take a case scenario.
i am very good at mathematics,you are very good in English language.Can you take away my intelligence on the very fact that because I barely scratch through the surface of English,am not intelligent on the basis of Mathematics??If you think then because you speak and understand English as a language better than I do,then my question now is what is your definition of "intelligence"


I personally like spanish language.Can say a few things in it.but you cannot say because I barely speak it,am less intelligent than the average Spanish speaker.


French is an official language in Cameroon.Going by your logic,fluent speaking Cameroonians are 80% less intelligent than their Nigerian counterparts.


And again,I painted a picture of the Chinese. World power but they do everything in their language.How then are they 80% less intelligent than the average Brit or American

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by mrblessed(m): 10:59pm On Dec 18, 2018
LuvSwollenPussy:
Intelligence dey different types. Book intelligence is different from common sense, common sense is different from being sensitive...all controlled by the brain though. Even d book intelligence is subdivided. A linguistic student can be good in speaking queen's English but olodo in maths or chemistry.

However if you find a lady who's a legend in her field, its most likely she'll have the kind of intelligence that makes a complementary wife bcus intelligence is not only hereditary, it's also borne of deep thoughts which many women lack.

Like most times in sch, while you see the guys sitting with their assignments by themselves, the ladies are always hopping from one guy to the other..."pls come help me do my assignment"..that's what you'll hear usually. You hardly find a do-it-yourself girl who does her stuffs and even help others...dem no dey.
You can't speak Queen's English if you don't live in South-east England. So, Queen's English is a distinct type of English spoken in a limited geographical portion of England, not the entire country.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Biglittlelois(f): 11:07pm On Dec 18, 2018
Adiwana:



Maybe you got me all wrong.So many factors such as diversity determine why a single language is chosen as a national language.Never was I against that.But to say that someone who doesn't speak fluently or speak at all that national language is less intelligent than you is blatant ignorance


Leme break it down this way

My roomate in Uni had a GP of 4.85 in Mechanical Engr before he left to study abroad.Dude barely spoke his mother tongue.Infact I taught him what he knew so far in the language.But does the fact that he barely knew what "come" was in his native tongue take away what he did with Mechanical calculations?
Did it take away the fact that he was "intelligent" in others aspects of his studies??You answer that

Another example.Take a case scenario.
i am very good at mathematics,you are very good in English language.Can you take away my intelligence on the very fact that because I barely scratch through the surface of English,am not intelligent on the basis of Mathematics??If you think then because you speak and understand English as a language better than I do,then my question now is what is your definition of "intelligence"


I personally like spanish language.Can say a few things in it.but you cannot say because I barely speak it,am less intelligent than the average Spanish speaker.


French is an official language in Cameroon.Going by your logic,fluent speaking Cameroonians are 80% less intelligent than their Nigerian counterparts.


And again,I painted a picture of the Chinese. World power but they do everything in their language.How then are they 80% less intelligent than the average Brit or American

My points are based on the officiall language of a Country, i'm not equating or comparing intelligence of two or more countries, your previous comments talked about mental slavery of whites and all, my points being that, English, the official language in Nigeria, has greater percentage when measuring intelligence, not our different languages or how fluent one is.

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by mrblessed(m): 11:25pm On Dec 18, 2018
There are different indexes of measuring intelligence, and the ability to effortlessly master grammar rules and conventions, is a conclusive proof of being intelligent.

English is just a language like any other, however, what scholars use to measure superior or inferior IQ language-wise is the degree of mastery of the language. It does not mean that those who are slow, or incapable of mastering these rules are dumb. On the contrary, it demonstrates that those who display deep levels of understanding have high quotient of language proficiency. This is an undisputed display of intelligence as it relates to language.

Nigerians, especially those with tertiary education, have no justifiable reason to join the "mediocre herd" who impeach why people should be encourage (and, sometimes, chastised when they goofed) to speak and write flawlessly English. This is true for all British colonised states, that had adopted English as their lingua franca. And for the fact that English is the language of international politics and diplomacy. It is the first medium of communication in commerce and business, in communication, aviation, sports, etc.

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by enambobo(m): 11:40pm On Dec 18, 2018
sykeng:
English can never be a yardstick for intelligence, what of those in the village that never attended any formal education, the way you handle things around you, one can tell if you are intelligent or not, even if you are a farmer or a fisher man you can always tell, there are some excellent speakers that still come to me ( average) for help on highly intellectual matters, if English is a measure of intelligence, then most slay queens would be glad.

100% correct!

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Nobody: 2:30am On Dec 19, 2018
Biglittlelois:
I love this thread, thought-provoking comments soo far, i'm here to learn smiley


cc; onesentence
nice...le me go through every page
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Originalsly: 3:10am On Dec 19, 2018
StylesX:


i told her English is a measure of intelligence but she is disagreeing, maybe she can't speak English too.

Hmmmm...... the Germans have low intelligence..... the Chinese too.... let's forget about South Americans.... add the French and don't leave out the Italians... non English speaking Africans..... all have low intelligence. If they need to raise their IQ... they need to learn English.

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Kingsley10000: 6:51am On Dec 19, 2018
English language can't be a measure of intelligence, first of all you need a proper definition of what intelligence entails...

Bootylicious is a new word in English but my prof in English don't know the meaning, does it mean that he's not intelligent?
I always get irritated when I see some
of our athletes on international
television struggling to speak English
and failing spectacularly at it. If I was
asked, they should express themselves
in the language they are most
comfortable in. It is up to the
interviewer to look for translation

Hong kong is colonized by the Britain,English is their lingua franca but their fluency in the language is abysmal.

if English is a measure of intelligence why is wales,Scotland, England,new Zealand etc not more developed than China, Japan, Russia, Germany, France etc?

China for instance is more economically viable than all European countries
Cities like hong Kong, Beijing, Shanghai ,Guangzhou ,hangzou,Shenzhen wuhan ,sheyaung,chongquing, dongguan Tianjin ,hebei ,chengdu etc are far more developed than London and any city in England How come??

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by highpriestess: 6:59am On Dec 19, 2018
Lalasticlala we have an intelligent topic here please, do the needful.

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Kingsley10000: 7:15am On Dec 19, 2018
highpriestess:
Lalasticlala we have an intelligent topic here please, do the needful.
him and mynd44 won't see this one,if it's slay queen posts now
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by kazyhm(m): 7:32am On Dec 19, 2018
Adiwana:
Mental Slavery is the worst form of Slavery. If you ever wanted to know why our ancestors were sold for a mirror,dont look too far.Just come on this thread and see evidence.Thats why practicing your tradition is considered an abomination but believing in the White man's Jesus's is true thing.smfh


That's a different topic. This is actually an interesting debate, if all your life you've been exposed/taught everything you know with a particularly language, an intelligent person should be proficient in speaking and writing in such language.

The bottom line is any Nigerian graduate that can't speak English language correctly will likely fail in expressing his/herself in the local language he/she belong to.

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by konkonbilo(m): 7:37am On Dec 19, 2018
"the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills". These the definition of intelligence from google.

Medical Definition of intelligence. 1a : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations. b : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests).

I wonder why people then measure fleuncy in English as a form of intelligence..
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by kazyhm(m): 7:46am On Dec 19, 2018
konkonbilo:
"the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills". These the definition of intelligence from google.

Medical Definition of intelligence. 1a : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations. b : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests).

I wonder why people then measure fleuncy in English as a form of intelligence..


Can you read these definitions again ?

I'm wondering if these definitions are correct and some that have learnt a language for almost half of his/her life can't communicate with it


Do you know language is a vocation ?
Some are paid just to interpret from one language to another.

One of my boss earns extra cash by teaching French

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Rawmalik: 9:10am On Dec 19, 2018
MissRaine69:

Being able to speak English is NOT a measure of intelligence. There are whole countries were English is not spoken at all and they have space programmes and very intelligent beings there. Thinking it is a measure of intelligence is a throw back to a colonial past that made us subservient to our own capabilities.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Nobody: 10:14am On Dec 19, 2018
That is why we are where we were wear where we're.

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