ssaengine:
People must rather focus on why their army constantly runs away and gets overrun, as opposed to posting fake news. Even after being corrected & told where, when and by whom these men were captured, you continue. Shame.

And yet holding ground. Leave the Nigerians to their upheaval, they can bash themselves as always but you know what always get the job done in the end which is the common goal. BHT holds no territory and is doing what only it can do against lightly defended FOBs it can't hold for any few hours. It's called harassing the enemy and friendly forces in turn reinforce to give them a beating which inflicts maximum casualties.

If BHT enter your country by now you'd be in Abuja begging for those same Nigerian soldiers. You think ISWAP are poachers or the MPLA. Wait till you see them then you know the difference in fighting for survival and fighting to die with a grin on your face.

Historical evidence abounds that Nigeria's military diplomacy denied Apartheid South Africa the sphere of influence it wanted in Angola. In all its foreign forays Apartheid lead Pretoria avoided direct confrontation with Lagos like a plaque. Every student of history knows that. Don't know what your pain is about a historical reality like you are invisible which you're not.

Covert1:


And yet holding ground. Leave the Nigerians to their upheaval, they can bash themselves as always but you know what always get the job done in the end which is the common goal. BHT holds no territory and is doing what only it can do against lightly defended FOBs it can't hold for any few hours. It's called harassing the enemy and friendly forces in turn reinforce to give them a beating which inflicts maximum casualties.

If BHT enter your country by now you'd be in Abuja begging for those same Nigerian soldiers. You think ISWAP are poachers or the MPLA. Wait till you see them then you know the difference in fighting for survival and fighting to die with a grin on your face.

Historical evidence abounds that Nigeria's military diplomacy denied Apartheid South Africa the sphere of influence it wanted in Angola. In all its foreign forays Apartheid lead Pretoria avoided direct confrontation with Lagos like a plaque. Every student of history knows that. Don't know what your pain is about a historical reality like you are invisible which you're not.

1. BOKO would not pose a threat to the SANDF in the stratgic sense - the reasons your military is failing have been outlined in extreme detail. Bad training, bad equipment, bad logistics

1a. The purpose of boko attcks is to prevent the NA launching the dry season offensive - by the looks of things they have succeeded

2. Pretoria during the Angolan war gave zero shits about Nigeria. You were a non entity.

Behave

patches689:


1. BOKO would not pose a threat to the SANDF in the stratgic sense - the reasons your military is failing have been outlined in extreme detail. Bad training, bad equipment, bad logistics

1a. The purpose of boko attcks is to prevent the NA launching the dry season offensive - by the looks of things they have succeeded

2. Pretoria during the Angolan war gave zero shits about Nigeria. You were a non entity.

Behave

Get off my handle!

Operation last hold is on full steam.

For every one Nigerian soldier you kill a hundred shows up. You mess up big time to kill a Nigerian soldier we will come back at you each time until the terms are agreed in our favour, period. That's the history and won't change. Wait to see the dry season offensive.

Pretoria always and still avoids Abuja as it's one and only strategic threat. It has nothing on Abuja. Zero

First grow up and sit to learn.

Henry240:
Bus war

War in Angola

The Nigerian army fighting in Angola during the border war, captured South-African soldiers.

Two of these men were flown to Lagos and Displayed to the media in Nigeria.

These Soldiers were captured by Angolan soldiers not Nigerian soldiers......

- Whilst much new equipment has been purchased, not all is fit for purpose and create additional problems with a huge variety of weapon systems, vehicles and other platforms, presenting a nightmare for maintenance and logistics crews,
- There is a dearth of basic individual and unit equipment such as webbing and other load bearing equipment, boots, weapon straps, first aid kits, helmets, waterproofs, field kitchens, water purifiers etc.
- Manpower however presents the largest structural problem. Units have remained in theatre for up to 3-4 years without rest, with casualties being barely replaced by attachments from other units or new recruits
- The Nigerian security forces are overstretched, overwhelmed and over deployed. They do not have a quantitative or qualitative edge over their adversaries, being unable to counter their key enemy strengths of mobility, versatility and flexibility.
- The Nigerian forces are almost purely reactive. They are unable to prevent the enemy from acting at will, prevent them from successfully conducting operations. The enemies Observation- Orientation- Decision-Action loop is much tighter and more efficient than the friendly forces

And there is more @Covert1

Covert1:


Get off my handle!

Operation last hold is on full steam.

For every one Nigerian soldier you kill a hundred shows up. You mess up big time to kill a Nigerian soldier we will come back at you each time until the terms are agreed in our favour, period. That's the history and won't change. Wait to see the dry season offensive.

Pretoria always and still avoids Abuja as it's one and only strategic threat. It has nothing on Abuja. Zero

First grow up and sit to learn.

Op Last Hold - lol, you haven’t read the analysis posted in this thread. Dry season offensive isn’t going to happen.

Pretoria does not think about Abuja at all.

Covert1:


And yet holding ground. Leave the Nigerians to their upheaval, they can bash themselves as always but you know what always get the job done in the end which is the common goal. BHT holds no territory and is doing what only it can do against lightly defended FOBs it can't hold for any few hours. It's called harassing the enemy and friendly forces in turn reinforce to give them a beating which inflicts maximum casualties.

If BHT enter your country by now you'd be in Abuja begging for those same Nigerian soldiers. You think ISWAP are poachers or the MPLA. Wait till you see them then you know the difference in fighting for survival and fighting to die with a grin on your face.

Historical evidence abounds that Nigeria's military diplomacy denied Apartheid South Africa the sphere of influence it wanted in Angola. In all its foreign forays Apartheid lead Pretoria avoided direct confrontation with Lagos like a plaque. Every student of history knows that. Don't know what your pain is about a historical reality like you are invisible which you're not.

There's a reason why they do what they do in Nigeria and not in SA. So your "if" is meaningless. Their friends are trying their luck in Mozambique at the moment.

There is no historical reality to the post Henry made. Nigerian soldiers did not capture South Africans, Angolans did. End of story.

Wouldn’t it be so much nicer if we could sit around and talk about military equipment and solutions to our countries problems... instead of flinging poo?

I prefer playing armchair general to internet warrior

ssaengine:


There's a reason why they do what they do in Nigeria and not in SA. So your "if" is meaningless. Their friends are trying their luck in Mozambique at the moment.

There is no historical reality to the post Henry made. Nigerian soldiers did not capture South Africans, Angolans did. End of story.

Setbacks are part of military operations. A war is made up of many battles. Who wins the war carries the day. Now that's our forte, to win wars which we do quite well and it's not about to change anytime soon. BHTs incredible capacity to rebound is not a dent in the capability of the Nigerian Army to vanquish them.

Nigeria's direct and covert support for the MPLA led to them not only capturing SA POWs but to defeat them. That's the historical reality which is glaring enough.

The Nigerian Soldier Always Wins Even In Death.

Covert1:


Setbacks are part of military operations. A war is made up of many battles. Who wins the war carries the day. Now that's our forte, to win wars which we do quite well and it's not about to change anytime soon. BHTs incredible capacity to rebound is not a dent in the capability of the Nigerian Army to vanquish them.

Nigeria's direct and covert support for the MPLA led to them not only capturing SA POWs but to defeat them. That's the historical reality which is glaring enough.

BOKO has almost no capacity, and if you read the info posted here you would know their attacks would be defeated if you simply equipped your FObs with mortars and HmGs.

Your attitude is why you haven’t won this war and why good Nigerian soldiers are being slaughtered on the front.

As for Angola, your contribution was negligible in comparison to the Soviet/Cuban support. It’s like a player who spent the game on the bench claiming responsibility for a won match.

Interesting video of testing RPG's on algerian Fuchs 2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO7pEy-yiYk

Like the ch3 ch4 uav just before, New Yabhon United 40 MALE UAV's appears today for the first time on algerian TV .

No official contract was published . its said that they are built locally under license . called djazair 54ET for the armed one and djazair 55 for the other model . (djazair mean algeria in arabic)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dYfvrmtnsk

Algerian1:
Like the ch3 ch4 uav just before, New Yabhon United 40 MALE UAV's appears today for the first time on algerian TV .

No official contract was published . its said that they are built locally under license . called djazair 54ET for the armed one and djazair 55 for the other model . (djazair mean algeria in arabic)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dYfvrmtnsk

Nice!

Nigeria also ordered these, but it seems we're having DHL issues with our own delivery.

Nigerians should focus on today's reality, not dwell and relish the successes of the Country's past, that's not reality, reality is today, and the hell Nigeria has become, it's military included. That should be the focus, and how to make it better. Enough said, these forth and back thing is annoying

patches689:


1. BOKO would not pose a threat to the SANDF in the stratgic sense - the reasons your military is failing have been outlined in extreme detail. Bad training, bad equipment, bad logistics

1a. The purpose of boko attcks is to prevent the NA launching the dry season offensive - by the looks of things they have succeeded

2. Pretoria during the Angolan war gave zero shits about Nigeria. You were a non entity.

Behave

This is an hogwash, a totally unsubstantiated statement....

patches689:


I don’t know about the supply flights and support, but they certainly didn’t provide interdictions

If you claim not to know about the ubiquitous supply flights and support, then how can you, in all honesty, know about the interdiction?

The Nigerian Air Force often ran into regular South African columns who disguised as mercenaries, when they attempted to deliver cargo. There were interdictions during "Operation Savannah" till the SADF were routed.

Covert1:
The Nigerian Soldier Always Wins Even In Death.

God bless Nigerian Soldiers

Henry240:

Until that photo, i didn't know the Nigerian army operated in Angola.

I was only aware of the Air Force.

I can't remember the source, but i think Nigerian MIG-17s were deployed in Angola.



"The Nigerian Air Force have a long and proud history of operational deployment outside Nigeria dating back to the 1970s when Nigerian MiG 17 pilots and engineers were deployed to Angola by the regime of General Murtala Muhammed following the detailing/eventual transfer of a squadron of MiG 17s and the gift of US$20 million to the fledgling MPLA government of Dr Agostinho Neto, in January 1976. This followed swiftly on the heels of the delivery of MiG 21MF jets to the NAF in December 1975.

Thereafter, NAF C130 Hercules pilots during the 1970s and 1980s flew supply missions in support of liberation movements in Southern Africa, delivering materiel to Tanzania, Zambia and Mozambique for onward distribution to African nationalist guerrillas in Namibia, South Africa and Rhodesia.".


https://www.google.com/amp/s/beegeagle./2012/09/10/blog-exclusive-nigerian-air-force-aircraft-observed-in-frenzied-activity-deployment-for-combat-operations-in-mali-imminent/amp

Whether the Nigerian Army was involved remains public conjecture because the Nigerian government publicly announced material support only when it became known that thousands of regular SADF forces had been officially drafted in. These regular SADF forces were disguised as mercenaries, stripped of all official insignia.

It is worthy of note that these drafted SADF forces inflicted heavy damage, seizing large territories, which necessitated the "Operation Savannah" which NAF got involved in.

Henry240:

Nice!

Nigeria also ordered these, but it seems we're having DHL issues with our own delivery.

*In Asa's beautiful voice.
We've been waiting, waiting, waiting
For the Yahbon flash
That never come 2x
Lol.

Covert1:


Setbacks are part of military operations. A war is made up of many battles. Who wins the war carries the day. Now that's our forte, to win wars which we do quite well and it's not about to change anytime soon. BHTs incredible capacity to rebound is not a dent in the capability of the Nigerian Army to vanquish them.

Nigeria's direct and covert support for the MPLA led to them not only capturing SA POWs but to defeat them. That's the historical reality which is glaring enough.

We might as well then just give the credit to Saudi Arabia for supplying the oil, which was refined to jet fuel, that filled the tanks of Nigerian aircraft . Stand back Cuba, stand back Russia....Nigeria's got this. Lol.
Have a good day sir. Cheers.

What's all this again!

You guys should enjoy your Nig vs SA fight here, it will never happen in real life except maybe by proxy. But one thing I can assure everyone here is the resilience of the Nigerian spirit and it's army. Battling another countries army is going to be a different ball game different from this BH thing.

ignant:


If you claim not to know about the ubiquitous supply flights and support, then how can you, in all honesty, know about the interdiction?

The Nigerian Air Force often ran into regular South African columns who disguised as mercenaries, when they attempted to deliver cargo. There were interdictions during "Operation Savannah" till the SADF were routed.

I know the interdictions did not happen as there is no mention of the SADF suffering air attacks during savannah

Equally I have never read anything about Nigeria playing any operational role in Angola - and I have read a lot about the war

I am not saying that it never happened, but rather that any support was minor - minor enough not to get mentioned in the majority of historical accounts of the war

patches689:


I know the interdictions did not happen as there is no mention of the SADF suffering air attacks during savannah

Equally I have never read anything about Nigeria playing any operational role in Angola - and I have read a lot about the war

I am not saying that it never happened, but rather that any support was minor - minor enough not to get mentioned in the majority of historical accounts of the war

Do you have some sort of inner conflict? I mean no disrespect but are you even aware that the three statements you made reached different conclusions?

So, what exactly are you trying to say- that the interdictions never happened? Or that YOU never read anything about it? Or it might have happened but it was minor?

ignant:


Do you have some sort of inner conflict? I mean no disrespect but are you even aware that the three statements you made reached different conclusions?

So, what exactly are you trying to say- that the interdictions never happened? Or that YOU never read anything about it? Or it might have happened but it was minor?

Interdictions didn’t happen because there are no mentions of SADF troops suffering air attacks. Direct combat is something that wall definitely be mentioned in the accounts. To be honest I don’t remember reading anything about any air attacks on either side during savannah

As for flying in supplies, I can say that maybe it happened because Nigeria flying in a C-130 full of guns is something that could have happened but be so minor that it gets omitted or doesn’t get mentioned.

patches689:


Interdictions didn’t happen because there are no mentions of SADF troops suffering air attacks. Direct combat is something that wall definitely be mentioned in the accounts. To be honest I don’t remember reading anything about any air attacks on either side during savannah

As for flying in supplies, I can say that maybe it happened because Nigeria flying in a C-130 full of guns is something that could have happened but be so minor that it gets omitted or doesn’t get mentioned.

Ok. I read of NAF coming under attack in Luanda during "Savannah". That account stated that in some instances NAF shot through. This is where I could consider Henry's claim that maybe Nigerian MIGs were involved, aside the C-130s. There was no claim of lost NAF platform on either side.

I looked up the Bush War on wikipedia, so I hereby reproduce them:
Annotations
1. ^ Nigeria established bilateral relations with PLAN in 1976, and thereafter plied that movement with millions of dollars in direct financial contributions and logistical support. [16] During the 1980s, PLAN arms were airlifted directly to the insurgents by the Nigerian Air Force. [16]

References
16. ^ a b Abegunrin, Olayiwola (1997). Nigerian Foreign Policy Under Military Rule, 1966-1999 . Westport, Connecticut: Praeger Publishers. pp. 81, 93. ISBN 978-0275978815 .

ignant:


Ok. I read of NAF coming under attack in Luanda during "Savannah". That account stated that in some instances NAF shot through. This is where I could consider Henry's claim that maybe Nigerian MIGs were involved, aside the C-130s. There was no claim of lost NAF platform on either side.

I looked up the Bush War on wikipedia, so I hereby reproduce them:
Annotations
1. ^ Nigeria established bilateral relations with PLAN in 1976, and thereafter plied that movement with millions of dollars in direct financial contributions and logistical support. [16] During the 1980s, PLAN arms were airlifted directly to the insurgents by the Nigerian Air Force. [16]

References
16. ^ a b Abegunrin, Olayiwola (1997). Nigerian Foreign Policy Under Military Rule, 1966-1999 . Westport, Connecticut: Praeger Publishers. pp. 81, 93. ISBN 978-0275978815 .

Like I said, I am perpared to concede Nigeria provided logistical support and gave supplies.

But direct combat, no way.

Nigerian Air Force Regiment

Covert1:


Indeed you are right. We all wanted anything but Jonathan because of the open stealing but that man put food on the table and relative security. Today no food, no security and in fact soon no nation.

I for one sincerely regret my support for Buhari and sincerely apologize to the Nigerian people. I sincerely thought we would have our first Mandela. No but a tyrant and religious bigot who history will never forgive.

He put zero food on the table and there was ZERO security. There were kidnappings everyday. His own relatives and ministers relatives were kidnapped many times. Why are memories so short? We had Boko Haram running rampage in the North and Niger Delta militants doing their own. On top of all that you had almost 20 state governors keeping militias and cult groups.
What fxxking food on table and blinking security
This guy, Badeh is the first instance of Nigerian elite paying for their sins and there will be more.

patches689:


I know the interdictions did not happen as there is no mention of the SADF suffering air attacks during savannah

Equally I have never read anything about Nigeria playing any operational role in Angola - and I have read a lot about the war

I am not saying that it never happened, but rather that any support was minor - minor enough not to get mentioned in the majority of historical accounts of the war

Black ops mate. Africa's biggest black ops till date... How could it be that your Government never heard the pidgin English that was being used over the radio by some Nigerian soldiers?

BUHARI IS AN UNMITIGATED DISASTER!!

No basis for comparison. At all

SternProphet:


He put zero food on the table and there was ZERO security. There were kidnappings everyday. His own relatives and ministers relatives were kidnapped many times. Why are memories so short? We had Boko Haram running rampage in the North and Niger Delta militants doing their own. On top of all that you had almost 20 state governors keeping militias and cult groups.
What fxxking food on table and blinking security
This guy, Badeh is the first instance of Nigerian elite paying for their sins and there will be more.