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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by bluke(m): 4:27pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by brodalokie: 4:40pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
lawani: Did these set of immigrants passed through northern territory and settled in the middle belts before dispersing into the south west as it is known today? |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by lawani: 5:08pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
ImperialYoruba:Isaac would have spoken Sumerian first like his father Abraham |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by lawani: 5:12pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
brodalokie:Yes they passed through northern Nigeria before getting to yoruba igala and itsekiri lands. Over 50 percent of yoruboid languages are kemitic egyptian |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by lawani: 5:36pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
Olu317:what the calendar means is that we are in year 10060th of the yoruba era after an ancient ife was destroyed |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by brodalokie: 5:39pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
lawani: That is to say that the Yorubas were serving in the south when they developed their first yoruboid language called akokoedo in igara land? I have a sketched out analysis that shows how the yorubas were possibly displaced from the north by some eastern elements into the west while some others went down south. Imperial Yoruba was talking of two sets of migration, the first do know how to prostate while the other set don't bend. I was asking if they instead kneel ![]() |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 6:15pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
lawani: I do not doubt the destruction of ancient ILEIFE but where was the particular ILE IFE ? As far as I am concern,this calendar is incoherent with the information as regard human fossils found in western Yoruba's , Nigeria. Do you have any information on Yoruba human fossil over 10,000+ years old? Kindly share because others and I want to learn. |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Africaman: 1:16pm On Dec 21, 2018 |
Olu317:This must be the Iwo Eleru skull, found in a cave in 1965, in modern day Ekiti state. Checkout these links: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3174138/ https://thesebonesofmine./category/iwo-eleru-skull/ https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0024024 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8771015/Skull-suggests-Stone-Age-humans-interbred-with-more-primitive-relatives.html http://sciencythoughts..com/2011/10/re-evaluation-of-iwo-eleru-skull.html https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/1151921.pdf http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/43376/1/WRRO_43376.pdf Hope they helped. ciao 2 Likes |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by bluke(m): 1:57pm On Dec 21, 2018 |
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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 1:59pm On Dec 21, 2018 |
Africaman: Excellent links. Need I say,that series of analysis has been posited despite the fact that the Iwo Eleru fossil human has been studied. Unfortunately, this link; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3174138, says,’ The Iwo Eleru burial was excavated from the Iwo Eleru rock shelter, south-western Nigeria, in 1965 by Thurstan Shaw and his team . The skeleton, preserving a calvaria, mandible and some postcranial remains, was found at a depth between 82 and 100 cm from the surface in an undisturbed Later Stone Age (hereafter LSA) context. Radiocarbon analysis of charcoal from the immediate vicinity of the burial resulted in an age estimate of 11,200±200 BP (∼13 ka calibrated). The skull was reconstructed and studied by Brothwell, who linked it to recent West African populations, though he recognized that its lower vault and frontal profile were unusual, and that the mandible was robust. The specimen is complete along the entire midline from nasion to beyond opisthocranion. Although it slightly asymmetric it shows no major distortions and the relatively well preserved mandible constrains its basal breadth. A preliminary multivariate analysis of cranial measurements by Peter Andrews suggested that the Iwo Eleru specimen was distinct from recent African groups'. From the above analysis, there is no connection between Yoruba ancestors and this Iwo Eleru,which is the basis of my disagreement with those who claim Yoruba as the ancestors of human beings from ILE IFE Western Nigeria |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Africaman: 2:02pm On Dec 21, 2018 |
Olu317:Oh okay. I was just reading and following the arguments. I probably need to re-read the whole thread. Here's one more link from the bbc: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14947363 ciao 1 Like |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 5:09am On Dec 22, 2018 |
Africaman: "[The skull] has got a much more primitive appearance, even though it is only 13,000 years old," said Chris Stringer, from London's Natural History Museum, who was part of the team of researchers. "I do not think that these findings add anything new to our view," said Prof Clive Finlayson, director of the Gibraltar Museum, who was not connected to the study. The view of Prof Clive Finlayson clearly says it all about , the finding because the fossil human as primitively looking as it is doesn't have a match with other places with over + or - 200 thousands years of existence within Africa or Middle East.. Thanks anyway, |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by bluke(m): 7:40am On Dec 22, 2018 |
want2knowben: the chicken and sand analogy depicts yoruba creation story of biblical account of genesis. |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by lawani: 9:46am On Dec 22, 2018 |
Olu317:fossils don't keep well in West Africa because of the climate and there are many ife sites scattered across West Africa. The present ife is not the most ancient one. |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by bluke(m): 9:54am On Dec 22, 2018 |
lawani: According to yoruba myth, ife was the place oduduwa descended upon to create the earth. (genesis 1). it had been from day 1. |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by lawani: 10:01am On Dec 22, 2018 |
bluke:yes but not the ptesent ife |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by bluke(m): 11:12am On Dec 22, 2018 |
lawani:cradle of civilistion. myths are peculiar to culture and location. All cultures of world has its story. Ife oodaye ibi ti oju ti'n mowa (cradle of civilisation) Historical ife is another thing. |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 2:30pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
lawani: If you say so although I disagree because fossil human found at Iwo Eleru wasn't exposed for its radio carbon date not to be verified. And I hope you know that the word ‘Oru' (heat place/land ) was not firstly used by Yoruba ancestors in West Africa but in Middle East, which is with saame meaning in middle East and its precise location was in modern day , Iraq before migration of these people took them to Ai(Àiyé) and otther places in Ancient Israel. If you have location or places in West Africa that has same cognate with this Yoruba word,kindly share.Though there are people who claim to bear such name in Nigeria but the meaning is different. Cheers Since you have mentioned shifting of location of ancient ILE IFE, then, kindly post ILE IFE that's older than ILE IFE of Nigeria in West Africa |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by lawani: 2:56pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Olu317:wadai in central African republic is ife oodaye and it is older, ife in igala is older too. We still have many ifes like amadzofe and mawufe in Ghana and etc of the gbe people 1 Like |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by bluke(m): 5:32pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
lawani: historically i'm thinking of nineveh before the flood. Nineveh was around ur/chaldea where Abraham came from and they were all summers, the first civilisation |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by ImperialYoruba: 7:34pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
bluke: No, the other way my brother. The Yoruba creation story is what the scribes took and recorded in scripture. |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by ImperialYoruba: 7:46pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
bluke: Have you ever heard the Yoruba term Samari? This is description of a youth grade in the conscriptive age. In other words, those who are within the age band eligible and to be enlisted into a defense force to undergo training. Tha Samari band in Yorubaland is between about 20 to 29. Where did this term originate? As Nineveh is cognate of Ile Ife, or Leve, I wouldn't be surprised at all is this usage is also cognate with Sumeria or sometimes called Samaria. My dear brother, Macof, will probably be in position to educate better on this. |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by googi: 10:50pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Olu17, I have no doubt that you are a well informed scholar. But trying to ram Jewish or Arabic basis by anyone as the descendants of Africans is horrifying. Solid scientific, especially genetic and archeological evidence point to middle of Africa. Unfortunately, you and others are reversing it in your claims despite the fact that most of you are highly informed or educated. I am yet to see an Arab or Jew that formulate as hard as some us do to link their language or base to Yoruba, Igbo or Hausa. What is wrong with us? Olu317: |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by ImperialYoruba: 2:58am On Dec 23, 2018 |
googi: Dont force me to tell you the truth. If i share with you where things are in regard to Yoruba and everyone else, mttcheeew, my brother, you will shyyte in your pant. Lets just keep this mouth shut. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by bluke(m): 7:05am On Dec 23, 2018 |
ImperialYoruba: post noahs flood re creation was similar to genesis 1 creation and appearance of oduduwa. the earth was filled water, reappeared on oramfe hill and noahs ark berthed on ararat. the earth continues from their..... pls check the video above, it might help us out with your input. thanks |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 3:50pm On Dec 23, 2018 |
lawani: IFE in Wadai ? I have would prefer you share such link because I haven't come across such except people who came through IFA's-AFA practises. I know Ouidah (Wydia ) in Bénin Republique and it is fÔn group territory and their language isn't intelligible to Yoruba language's speakers. And every other Ife was after ILE IFE in Nigeria. |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 4:26pm On Dec 23, 2018 |
googi: You see, the Jews are the ones that are the one looking for lost tribes of Israel. And it has been documented on books , journals written to such effect and these information litters the Internet even from the site of Hebrew people's history. So it is quite funny that you feel that something is ‘wrong with some of us' as you have stated it. The Falasas-Beta Jews don't speak the ancient Hebrew language but today they are in Israel land. Funny enough the ancient Hebrew language was discovered in 1905 ,so it is a relatively new knowledge to even the whole world because the spoken language in Israel was Roman-Latin-Greek influenced and not ancient Hebrews. Mind you, some historians had said Yorubas once lived with Between Egypt and Ancient Hebrew...This was a times even the Siniac Hebrew alphabet had not been discovered. The British explorers knew that the Yoruba were Hebrew, but they kept mute because, there was miss in the link of Yoruba history. And the missing part of the history is what the historians,archeologists,linguistics are looking for to seal this Yorubas connection. Clearly, the liars or the ignorant amongst Yoruba are the ones denouncing this claims. The Oranmiyan hieroglyph/pictograph is an Hebrew inscription, which is the reason I will make my instructor to interpret it unless it is not it is not an Hebrew written word. In fact, it is the simplest interpretation by the grace of God 1 Like |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by lawani: 4:33pm On Dec 23, 2018 |
[code][/code] Olu317:ancient hebrew would be kemitic egyptian which is the ancrstor of modern Yoruba but that does not make Yoruba hebrew |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by bluke(m): 5:00pm On Dec 23, 2018 |
Olu317: migration history as recorded by sultan bello wadai as claimed by awujale of ijebu 1 Like
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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 5:32pm On Dec 23, 2018 |
lawani: Well, what I have shared has been as a result of grace of God but know it that the ancient Hebrew lived in Egypt for over 400,000+ years according to biblical information and archeological evidence testified that ancient Hebrew lived in the land of kemet. And if ancient Hebrew group lived for such years in Egypt , wouldn't such people understand part of Egyptian language? If you understand this, you will realise that the Yorubas are not from Western Africa origm |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by lawani: 5:42pm On Dec 23, 2018 |
Olu317: hebrews lived in Egypt for four hundred years speaking kemitic egyptian. Celts in Britain got their language changed to English by Germanic migrants but they remain 70 percent Celtic by dna. Same is true of Yoruba. We are west african |
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 6:02pm On Dec 23, 2018 |
lawani: No sir, because West Africa isn't a tribe or an ethnic group. If it is by light skin,the Hebrews won't accept the falasas-Beta Israel ( black jews) as ancient Hebrew. You see,the most intriguing aspect, is that the history of Hebrews that left Soudan were over 300,000 in population. And these people left around 500 BC etc before other migration took place. 1 Like |
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