aadoiza:

Your definition of truth exemplifies atheistic parochialism. It is limited and contrived but, then again, it's merely an opinion and should engender little or no fuss.

You can demonstrate where truth does not comport to reality or tell me the last time you prayed for the sun to rise.

LordReed:


You can demonstrate where truth does not comport to reality or tell me the last time you prayed for the sun to rise.

I like that. I was actually expecting ingenuity in your definition, for I thought atheists were independent thinkers, but the definition actually smacks of mundaneness. I reckon it was laid down by consensus among atheists.

The definition would be right, if only it stops taking reality as a constant. There are realities you would find inconceivable.

luv/mijeje:


I feel like you are addressing me. If you are, address me directly. There is no need for backbiting. You know backbiting is a sin.

That's why I love Jesusjnr. He confronted me eyeball to eyeball though I didn't welcome his opinion but I appreciate it because it came from a place of love.

Yes....I was addressing you Luvmijeje.
I appreciate you for saying this because after I wrote it, I thought about it to myself that maybe I needed to address you.
I was actually gonna amend this to add your name. I wasn't able to do so earlier...but I was coming back.
I had read some thing that you had said (on another thread which I actually mixed up with this one) and I was trying to see where I could kindly interrupt your conversation...but I hesitated.
I wrote that to him, but you definitely took it the wrong way.
I know you don't know me, but one thing I don't do is try to "backbite". Yes..."backbiting" is a sin.
My apologies that you misinterpreted my actions.
My posts/threads are quite blunt...and I've had some controversies here on N.L...and don't hide at all. I face them.
I was truly coming from a sincere and loving place (because I remember you from 1 1/2 years ago here in this section and how you debated a lot)...but since you don't personally know me neither can you sense my intentions behind mere words, I'll let you think as you wish.
Your tone seems to have become really harsh and angry now and I was wondering where that has come from? "Confront you eyeball to eyeball?" Baby sis, see this tone...very harsh and combative like we're gonna get ready to box in a ring or on the street.
Anyhow, the one thing I have come to realize is this:
I cannot change what a person thinks about me.
I can only be "me".
I'm glad though, that you have found some folks who you find sincere and loving, because that is rare in life...and a blessing once you do.
I will neither fight nor debate you though cause that was never my intention.
I sincerely meant that I would keep you in my prayers...cause I remember the "warrior" that you used to be

aadoiza:

I like that. I was actually expecting ingenuity in your definition, for I thought atheists were independent thinkers, but the definition actually smacks of mundaneness. I reckon it was laid down by consensus among atheists.

The definition would be right, if only it stops taking reality as a constant. There are realities you would find inconceivable.

When you are ready to demonstrate it instead of making noise hit me up.

Mobilia:


Yes....I was addressing you Luvmijeje.
I appreciate you for saying this because after I wrote it, I thought about it to myself that maybe I needed to address you.
I was actually gonna amend this to add your name. I wasn't able to do so earlier...but I was coming back.
I had read some thing that you had said (on another thread which I actually mixed up with this one) and I was trying to see where I could kindly interrupt your conversation...but I hesitated.
I wrote that to him, but you definitely took it the wrong way.
I know you don't know me, but one thing I don't do is try to "backbite". Yes..."backbiting" is a sin.
My apologies that you misinterpreted my actions.
My posts/threads are quite blunt...and I've had some controversies here on N.L...and don't hide at all. I face them.
I was truly coming from a sincere and loving place (because I remember you from 1 1/2 years ago here in this section and how you debated a lot)...but since you don't personally know me neither can you sense my intentions behind mere words, I'll let you think as you wish.
Your tone seems to have become really harsh and angry now and I was wondering where that has come from? "Confront you eyeball to eyeball?" Baby sis, see this tone...very harsh and combative like we're gonna get ready to box in a ring or on the street.
Anyhow, the one thing I have come to realize is this:
I cannot change what a person thinks about me.
I can only be "me".
I'm glad though, that you have found some folks who you find sincere and loving, because that is rare in life...and a blessing once you do.
I will neither fight nor debate you though cause that was never my intention.
I sincerely meant that I would keep you in my prayers...cause I remember the "warrior" that you used to be

Please do accept my apologies for coming out strong against you.

I'm actually not a calm, quiet and submissive kind of person. Religious force me to be that. My family knows I'm fire. Those who ain't close too me thinks I'm quiet because I prefer to listen than talk.

But being online totally removes that facade. You can't be quiet and survive politics section and I'm a regular visitor there. You can't be quiet with those Atheist guys. Because I'm so use to being in that high wire environment, I'm always forgetting not everyone are or love one who is aggressive. Please do accept my apologies again.

LordReed:


When you are ready to demonstrate it instead of making noise hit me up.

You're stooping so low giving invectives. Another disappointment from a supposedly well-enlightened atheist.

Some things are indemonstrable and non-descript; and can not be qualified or quantified.(Axiom: a self-evident truth.)

You lot can enjoy your illusory mental freedom, for now, till realities come crashing and bring you down to earth. After all experience, they say, is the best teacher.

Have a nice weekend, reed.

aadoiza:

You're stooping so low giving invectives. Another disappointment from a supposedly well-enlightened atheist.

Some things are indemonstrable and non-descript; and can not be qualified or quantified.(Axiom: a self-evident truth.)

You lot can enjoy your illusory mental freedom, for now, till realities come crashing and bring you down to earth. After all experience, they say, is the best teacher.

Have a nice weekend, reed.

LoL! Don't give me that high road bull crap, you called us narrow minded and want to pull offense because I wrote you are making noise. Pulease!

Stop making noise and demonstrate any truth that does not comport to reality.

When you are ready to do so hit me up meanwhile enjoy the festive season.

aadoiza:

You're stooping so low giving invectives. Another disappointment from a supposedly well-enlightened atheist.

Some things are indemonstrable and non-descript; and can not be qualified or quantified.(Axiom: a self-evident truth.)

You lot can enjoy your illusory mental freedom, for now, till realities come crashing and bring you down to earth. After all experience, they say, is the best teacher.

Have a nice weekend, reed.

Lol, the use of grammar doesn't validate that you speak the truth. Reality is demonstrable always. That is why it is called REALITY.
However, if you have your own subjective perception of that which is real, mention it here let's see.

luvmijeje:


Please do accept my apologies for coming out strong against you.

I'm actually not a calm, quiet and submissive kind of person. Religious force me to be that. My family knows I'm fire. Those who ain't close too me thinks I'm quiet because I prefer to listen than talk.

But being online totally removes that facade. You can't be quiet and survive politics section and I'm a regular visitor there. You can't be quiet with those Atheist guys. Because I'm so use to being in that high wire environment, I'm always forgetting not everyone are or love one who is aggressive. Please do accept my apologies again.

I wholeheartedly accept and thanks for this.
It is appreciated.

LordReed:


Hand dey pain the god?

Read:

Deut 5:22.

Luke 16:27-31.

The Father in heaven - the Creator of the ends of the earth - wrote the Ten Commandments on two stone tablets with his own finger and gave them to Moses.

Do you obey the Ten Commandments? Do you even believe they are his commandments. You don't even believe hr exists.

It wouldn't have made any difference to you, if he had written everything with his own fingers and thrown them down in front of you.

You see, it is like a message he gave me recently about the control of a person's soul. I will post after this reply.

elated177:


Read:

Deut 5:22.

Luke 16:27-31.

The Father in heaven - the Creator of the ends of the earth - wrote the Ten Commandments on two stone tablets with his own finger and gave them to Moses.

Do you obey the Ten Commandments? Do you even believe they are his commandments. You don't even believe hr exists.

It wouldn't have made any difference to you, if he had written everything with his own fingers and thrown them down in front of you.

You see, it is like a message he gave me recently about the control of a person's soul. I will post after this reply.

Well ain't that just a lame excuse. If this god can do it what stopped it from doing it in this day and age?

Frosbel2, hope u remember me. I earlier told you your anti-catholicism would yield these fruits. You seem too keen that the catholic church was evil and u were happy to throwaway anything related to her.

I do hope you still believe in God.

Akin1212:


He the creator? What do you mean by this. Do you have any testable evidence that he the creator gave his words to men or you were told that was what happened? Do you even have any evidence that he is the creator at all or you were also told that?

This is how else I suppose he should have done. If he the creator according to your claims wants everyone to know about him, he should approach everyone and tell them individually the same thing.

But he the creator went to asia and told the men in Asia to go and tell everyone. Wtf, didn't he the creator know that he had scattered people into races and one race will not believe or understand the other?

I guess he the creator is a cofused creator tbh.

On Newton, he was a man and the way men pass information is to write it down or tell others. Perhaps the information written down about he the creator was also formed by man. And if Newton had not proposed the laws or write them down. Another person would have.

The other physicist still would have used the same method to transmit his knowledge to the next generation --- ink and paper.

Or are you saying that everything you know about physics, you heard it directly from the mouth of the physicists themselves?

The Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them, uses his creatures - the human beings - as vessels to disseminate his message.

Take for example, he can send help through one of his servants to another of his servant who is in need of that particular help. He does not have to do so literarily ... that is throw the help down from heaven.

Salvation is from the Jews. That is the Father's wish. No one can question him in that regard. From the Jews the message spread to all parts of the world.

Why do you think our ancestors worshipped all sorts of things, including mountain ---though some people still do? It is because it is not in man to lead himself spiritually. The soul of man yearns for its maker. Even the evil spirits know this. This yearning can be satisfied correctly and wrongly. When the spirit which Creator has placed in man satisfies that yearning by instructing the soul, the soul loves, accepts and obeys the word of its Maker. Remember, the spirit in man is quickened by the Spirit of the Creator. The Spirit of the Father in heaven depends on the Word of the Father for action.

So, our ancestors worshiped created things such as wood, stone, sun, moon, etc, because they were "disconnected" from the their Maker spiritually ---they were spiritually dead. However, they knew there was someone or something outside themselves --- a higher power or being - that required worship or glory for the life they had and the crops they planted and harvested. But they didn't know what to offer or how to reach that being. Satan and the demons were too pleased to oblige them and misled them into idolatry and satanism. Their souls were controlled by evil spirits. Let me leave it at this point for now. Check Act 17:22-31.

Read:

Deut 5:22.

Luke 16:27-31.

The Father in heaven - the Creator of the ends of the earth - wrote the Ten Commandments on two stone tablets with his own finger and gave them to Moses.

Do you obey the Ten Commandments? Do you even believe they are his commandments. You don't even believe he exists.

It wouldn't have made any difference to you, if he had written everything with his own fingers and thrown them down in front of you.

You see, it is like a message he gave me recently about the control of a person's soul. I will post it after this reply.

LordReed:


Well ain't that just a lame excuse. If this god can do it want stopped it from doing it in this day and age?

It wouldn't make any difference to you, I suspect.

elated177:


It wouldn't make any difference to you, I suspect.

It would. I mean if I could see videos and pictures and maybe a twitter account, I would definitely know a god exists.

There Is A Spirit In Man...the Breath Of The Almighty. by elated177: 5:02pm On Dec 17
Job 32:7-8 I thought, "Age should speak; advanced in years should teach wisdom." But it is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding.

Prov 4:23 Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.

Every individual has a spirit that relates with the Father in heaven. It is this spirit that can relate with and appreciate the Word of the Father in heaven.

When this spirit is active in a person, it connects with Spirit of the Father. It is through this connection that the soul of the individual can be led in the things of the Creator of heaven and earth.

Everything - from his word or inspiration - the Father in heaven wants an individual to know must be channelled through his own Spirit to the spirit if such person. The individual can now make use of the soul to apply the knowledge in this physical world.

Whatever the body does, good or evil, sexual immorality or purity, flows from the soul. A soul ruled by the Spirit of the Father in heaven through the individual's spirit will do the things of the Father.

A soul ruled by wicked spirits will engage in wickedness. You now know why the world is full of wickedness.

The soul of a man directs his body. Whatever a person uses the body to do is directly determined by the soul. The spirit is supposed to instruct the soul.

When the spirit of an individual controls the soul of such an individual, the individual walks in the way of the Father in heaven. The human spirit communicates with its Maker, the Father of the spirits of all flesh, our Father in heaven. Numbers 16:22 & 27:16; Hebrews 12:9.

Also read:

John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshippers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshippers the Father seeks.

1Cor 6:17 But whoever is united with the Master is one with him in the spirit.

An individual can only commune with the Father in the spirit.

It, therefore, means that without the spirit, an individual is dead to the things of the Father in heaven. Such a person is "soulish" - if can I use the word. Any individual in this state is open to possession and mind control. In this category of spiritually dead people are:

People whose souls have been taken over by evil spirits -whether you call them marine(water) spirits, terrestrial spirits, atmospheric spirits or whatever. They are the mad or mentally sick people.

People who have consciously and willingly yielded their souls to the evil spirits for the purpose of spiritual power (witchcraft). These are the ones who carry out Satan's evil activities in the world. These ones know full well what they are doing. They're are the ones the kingdom of darkness uses to attack the righteous walk of the saints. They are under the curse of the Creator of heaven and earth.

The servants of the Father in heaven have been given power to overcome Satan, the demons and their human agents, however they may present themselves.

Let the reader be free to contribute or criticise this post. We are all learning.

LordReed:


It would. I mean if I could see videos and pictures and maybe a twitter account, I would definitely know a god exists.

The pictures, the videos and may be the twitter account are in his Scriptures.

Not only in his Scriptures, the plants of the field and animals of the field, the birds of the air, the sun, the moon, the stars, me, you, etc are all evidence of his existence.

He has revealed himself in his word.

When you believe and walk in his way, you will feel his Spirit in your spirit.

elated177:


The pictures, the videos and may be the twitter account are in his Scriptures.

Not only in his Scriptures, the plants of the field and animals of the field, the birds of the air, the sun, the moon, the stars, me, you, etc are all evidence of his existence.

He has revealed himself in his word.

When you believe and walk in his way, you will feel his Spirit in your spirit.

Nope the bible was written by human authors with many unsubstantiated tales within it.

elated177:


The other physicist still would have used the same method to transmit his knowledge to the next generation --- ink and paper.

Or are you saying that everything you know about physics, you heard it directly from the mouth of the physicists themselves?

The Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them, uses his creatures - the human beings - as vessels to disseminate his message.

Take for example, he can send help through one of his servants to another of his servant who is in need of that particular help. He does not have to do so literarily ... that is throw the help down from heaven.

Salvation is from the Jews. That is the Father's wish. No one can question him in that regard. From the Jews the message spread to all parts of the world.

Why do you think our ancestors worshipped all sorts of things, including mountain ---though some people still do? It is because it is not in man to lead himself spiritually. The soul of man yearns for its maker. Even the evil spirits know this. This yearning can be satisfied correctly and wrongly. When the spirit which Creator has placed in man satisfies that yearning by instructing the soul, the soul loves, accepts and obeys the word of its Maker. Remember, the spirit in man is quickened by the Spirit of the Creator. The Spirit of the Father in heaven depends on the Word of the Father the action.

So, our ancestors worshiped created things such as wood, stone, sun, moon, etc, because they were "disconnected" from the their Maker spiritually ---they were spiritually dead. However, they knew there was someone or something outside themselves --- a higher power or being - that required worship or glory for the life they had and the crops the planted and harvested. But they didn't know what to offer or how to reach that being. Satan and the demons were too pleased to oblige them and misled them into idolatry and satanism. Their souls were controlled by evil spirits. Let me leave it at this point for now. Check Act 17:22-31.

Read:

Deut 5:22.

Luke 16:27-31.

The Father in heaven - the Creator of the ends of the earth - wrote the Ten Commandments on two stone tablets with his own finger and gave them to Moses.

Do you obey the Ten Commandments? Do you even believe they are his commandments. You don't even believe he exists.

It wouldn't have made any difference to you, if he had written everything with his own fingers and thrown them down in front of you.

You see, it is like a message he gave me recently about the control of a person's soul. I will post it after this reply.

This is complete trash.

Why are you even comparing Newton and physicists to your creator or whatever you call it?

Why will God send anyone at all? He didn't know people would doubt others?

Stop quoting that book of lies you call the bible here please. Use real logic.

Everything I learnt in physics was demonstrated in the laboratory not from books.

Akin1212:


This is complete trash.

Why are you even comparing Newton and physicists to your creator or whatever you call it?

Why will God send anyone at all? He didn't know people would doubt others?
quote author=Akin1212 post=74106935]
Stop quoting that book of lies you call the bible here please. Use real logic.

You see the trick?
Most times the logic they talk about eludes them.

Someone who asks you to leave your Bible out of a discussion is trying to take away your faith...

Its all tricks from the hottest part of a burning hell...

This guy is not the enemy here...

The unseen enemy works through him....

That's the devil.

Akin1212:

Everything I learnt in physics was demonstrated in the laboratory not from books.

LordReed:


Nope the bible was written by human authors with many unsubstantiated tales within it.

Of course the Scriptures were penned down by human. They penned down what they saw and heard...inspired, if you like.

Or


Are you saying that the Scriptures are not true...that they were fabricated?

Akin1212:


Lol, the use of grammar doesn't validate that you speak the truth. Reality is demonstrable always. That is why it is called REALITY.
However, if you have your own subjective perception of that which is real, mention it here let's see.

You're right.
But take for example: how do I prove to a Christian prophet Muhammad SAW wasn't a charlatan, using the holy Quran? If you understood my question you'd see what I'm driving at.

elated177:


Of course the Scriptures were penned down by human. They penned down what they saw and heard...inspired, if you like.

Or


Are you saying that the Scriptures are true...that they were fabricated?

Fabricated is not the right word, more like a reimagining of extant myths. Like if a person retold the Lord of the Rings story but set in the world of Game of Thrones.

Akin1212:


This is complete trash.

Why are you even comparing Newton and physicists to your creator or whatever you call it?

Why will God send anyone at all? He didn't know people would doubt others?

Stop quoting that book of lies you call the bible here please. Use real logic.

Everything I learnt in physics was demonstrated in the laboratory not from books.

Trash?

What is trash? What part, exactly, of what I wrote is trash?

Just say that you found it difficult to understand the message you have read above.

It appears you have forgotten how, why and when Newton and physics factored into this discussion? If so, I suggest you go back and check.

Why wouldn't he? It has been made clear that humans are vessels. Free will.

Book of lies? Smh...

There you go again! Who taught you the practicals? The physicists like Newton, Faraday, themselves? In person? Were the "founders" of those laws and principles you tried to prove in the laboratory there with you physically? What about the practical manual? Did Isaac Newton or Michael Faraday or even Albert Einstein dictate to you the steps you took while conducting the practicals? I guess it was in ink and paper...printed?

Logic? Philosophy and logic? Smh! Do you actually think or believe philosophy or logic can explain everything?
Yes or no?

frosbel2:


Hey Buddy, I was a Christians for over 20 years and it was the biggest waste of my valuable time

Obviously I gained a few positive insights about God , but they were very few and far between

Can one be said to be a christian without the Spirit of God(the Seed of God) in him? How do we become a Christian?

He that truly believe and is baptized(Holy Ghost baptism) shall be save. Such a fellow has been sealed from above. Believing is the process through which we receive our salvation.

Originakalokalo:


You see the trick?
Most times the logic they talk about eludes them.

Someone who asks you to leave your Bible out of a discussion is trying to take away your faith...

Its all tricks from the hottest part of a burning hell...

This guy is not the enemy here...

The unseen enemy works through him....

That's the devil.

If I don't ask you to put away your blindness how would you see?

Don't you have a single iota of common sense?

You want see with your eyes blind? How?

Can you explain?

If your belief is strong it shouldn't shake when you face reality.

elated177:


Trash?

What is trash? What part, exactly, of what I wrote is trash?

Just say that you found it difficult to understand the message you have read above.

I should jus say what you assume? Lol that's hilarious.

elated177:


It appears you have forgotten how, why and when Newton and physics factored into this discussion? If so, I suggest you go a back and check.

Why wouldn't he? It has been made clear that humans are vessels. Free will.

On the contrary, you seem to have forgotten that you're trying to compare a spiritual being that has never been seen to Isaac Newton a man who lived on this earth.

It has been made clear by who, by what experiment that humans are vessels? Give me papers or peer reviews that validate this. And the experiment must be practicable. We should be able to redemonstrate it here in Nigeria.

Book of lies? Smh...

elated177:


There you go again! Who taught you the practicals? The physicists like Newton, Faraday, themselves? In person? Were the "founders" of those laws and principles you tried to prove in the laboratory there with you physically? What about the practical manual? Did Isaac Newton or Michael Faraday or even Albert Einstein dictate to you the steps you too while conducting the practicals? I guess it was in ink and paper...printed?

Do you actually think you're using logic by comparing the founders or discoverer of physical laws with a claimed supernatural being? This is an apology. Can't you see that the examples are out of place. The logic you should be using should involve other claimed gods like Nimrod, Horus, Zeus etc not Isaac Newton.

Isaac Newton demonstrated with empirical evidence his laws and people have demonstrated it over and over again. I demonstrated it too in the lab. These are not claims these are facts. The claim that a supernatural being created the world is a claim. You cannot demonstrate it. Just think a little deeper please.

elated177:


Logic? Philosophy and logic? Smh! Do you actually think or believe philosophy or logic can explain everything?
Yes or no?

Yes, perfectly yes. Except when it comes to delusions like the one you have.

aadoiza:

You're right.
But take for example: how do I prove to a Christian prophet Muhammad SAW wasn't a charlatan, using the holy Quran? If you understood my question you'd see what I'm driving at.

So you're saying truth is what individuals accept it to be?

That's not true.

I just realized how funny it is that christians have no proof for their god that exists OUTSIDE the bible.

Originakalokalo:


You see the trick?
Most times the logic they talk about eludes them.

Someone who asks you to leave your Bible out of a discussion is trying to take away your faith...

Its all tricks from the hottest part of a burning hell...

This guy is not the enemy here...

The unseen enemy works through him....

That's the devil.

You're a stark illiterate. I thought you said bye, why are you still quoting me?

Akin1212:


You're a stark illiterate. I thought you said bye, why are you still quoting me?

*smiles

Nobody is leaving his Bible for your "logic"

It won't work.

*smiles

Originakalokalo:



*smiles

Nobody is leaving his Bible for your "logic"

It won't work.

*smiles

Then hold on to it and remain blind. Goodbye