https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4X_Ez7Ecaw

need some input on this pls

lawani:
Our people spoke akokoid language in the past before a large number of Egyptians came to join us and changed our language to what it is today, a descendants of kemitic egyptian

Did these set of immigrants passed through northern territory and settled in the middle belts before dispersing into the south west as it is known today?

ImperialYoruba:


Where did they learn to speak Yoruba, were they of Yoruba stock, or could Yoruba have been the default world order under which Egypt at the time was ruled?

What language did Issac speak?

Isaac would have spoken Sumerian first like his father Abraham

brodalokie:


Did these set of immigrants passed through northern territory and settled in the middle belts before dispersing into the south west as it is known today?

Yes they passed through northern Nigeria before getting to yoruba igala and itsekiri lands. Over 50 percent of yoruboid languages are kemitic egyptian

Olu317:


1. History of Yoruba calendar does not fit into the archeological discovery of fossil human found at Iwo Eleru. So how did 10,000+ calendar fit into Yoruba calendar if not questionable?

2. Even the fossil human isn't Yoruba ancestor that have been analysed in Germany.
can you explain why? V

3.The assumed Gbagyis-Nok People that some scholars claimed that some Yoruba ancestors migrated out of do not have any Calendar as old as 10,000+ years ago.
Can you explain the reason this does tally with Yoruba's?

4. The oldest boat found in Northern Nigeria is about 8,000+ years old, and did not match the calendar date with Yoruba's.
Can you explain why?

5. It is quite unbelievable with this assertion of yours claiming Hebrew are 5000+years old, because of their record. And it is Unfortunately, this assertion of yours , is untrue because the civilization of the forebears of the Hebrews developed their language around this era you mentioned as 5000+ years ago in a unique way and their ancestors had been in mesoptomia before 7000 years ago. Where did you get your information on archeology of this view?

6. Till datee the oldest temple in the world ever known is in Turkey ,which is over 11,000+years in the Middle East. Where is the claim of yoruba's calendar claiming the ancestors of all humanoid?

7 . As you can see, the claim on the Yoruba calendar is suspicious being the fact that the development of Yoruba is about 2500-3000+ years ago nd at the height around 1000AD-1100AD when Coptic Christianity entered Africa.

what the calendar means is that we are in year 10060th of the yoruba era after an ancient ife was destroyed

lawani:
Yes they passed through northern Nigeria before getting to yoruba igala and itsekiri lands. Over 50 percent of yoruboid languages are kemitic egyptian

That is to say that the Yorubas were serving in the south when they developed their first yoruboid language called akokoedo in igara land?

I have a sketched out analysis that shows how the yorubas were possibly displaced from the north by some eastern elements into the west while some others went down south.

Imperial Yoruba was talking of two sets of migration, the first do know how to prostate while the other set don't bend. I was asking if they instead kneel

lawani:
what the calendar means is that we are in year 10060th of the yoruba era after an ancient ife was destroyed

I do not doubt the destruction of ancient ILEIFE but where was the particular ILE IFE ? As far as I am concern,this calendar is incoherent with the information as regard human fossils found in western Yoruba's , Nigeria. Do you have any information on Yoruba human fossil over 10,000+ years old? Kindly share because others and I want to learn.

Olu317:


I do not doubt the destruction of ancient ILEIFE but where was the particular ILE IFE ? As far as I am concern,this calendar is incoherent with the information as regard human fossils found in western Yoruba's , Nigeria. Do you have any information on Yoruba human fossil over 10,000+ years old? Kindly share because others and I want to learn.

This must be the Iwo Eleru skull, found in a cave in 1965, in modern day Ekiti state.

Checkout these links:


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3174138/

https://thesebonesofmine./category/iwo-eleru-skull/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0024024

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8771015/Skull-suggests-Stone-Age-humans-interbred-with-more-primitive-relatives.html

http://sciencythoughts..com/2011/10/re-evaluation-of-iwo-eleru-skull.html

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/1151921.pdf

http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/43376/1/WRRO_43376.pdf

Hope they helped.

ciao

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Africaman:
This must be the Iwo Eleru skull, found in a cave in 1965, in modern day Ekiti state.

Checkout these links:


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3174138/

https://thesebonesofmine./category/iwo-eleru-skull/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0024024

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8771015/Skull-suggests-Stone-Age-humans-interbred-with-more-primitive-relatives.html

http://sciencythoughts..com/2011/10/re-evaluation-of-iwo-eleru-skull.html

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/1151921.pdf

http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/43376/1/WRRO_43376.pdf

Hope they helped.

ciao

Excellent links. Need I say,that series of analysis has been posited despite the fact that the Iwo Eleru fossil human has been studied. Unfortunately, this link;
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3174138, says,’ The Iwo Eleru burial was excavated from the Iwo Eleru rock shelter, south-western Nigeria, in 1965 by Thurstan Shaw and his team . The skeleton, preserving a calvaria, mandible and some postcranial remains, was found at a depth between 82 and 100 cm from the surface in an undisturbed Later Stone Age (hereafter LSA) context. Radiocarbon analysis of charcoal from the immediate vicinity of the burial resulted in an age estimate of 11,200±200 BP (∼13 ka calibrated).

The skull was reconstructed and studied by Brothwell, who linked it to recent West African populations, though he recognized that its lower vault and frontal profile were unusual, and that the mandible was robust. The specimen is complete along the entire midline from nasion to beyond opisthocranion. Although it slightly asymmetric it shows no major distortions and the relatively well preserved mandible constrains its basal breadth. A preliminary multivariate analysis of cranial measurements by Peter Andrews suggested that the Iwo Eleru specimen was distinct from recent African groups'.

From the above analysis, there is no connection between Yoruba ancestors and this Iwo Eleru,which is the basis of my disagreement with those who claim Yoruba as the ancestors of human beings from ILE IFE Western Nigeria

Olu317:


Excellent links. Need I say,that series of analysis has been posited despite the fact that the Iwo Eleru fossil human has been studied. Unfortunately, this link;
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3174138, says,’ The Iwo Eleru burial was excavated from the Iwo Eleru rock shelter, south-western Nigeria, in 1965 by Thurstan Shaw and his team . The skeleton, preserving a calvaria, mandible and some postcranial remains, was found at a depth between 82 and 100 cm from the surface in an undisturbed Later Stone Age (hereafter LSA) context. Radiocarbon analysis of charcoal from the immediate vicinity of the burial resulted in an age estimate of 11,200±200 BP (∼13 ka calibrated). The skull was reconstructed and studied by Brothwell, who linked it to recent West African populations, though he recognized that its lower vault and frontal profile were unusual, and that the mandible was robust. The specimen is complete along the entire midline from nasion to beyond opisthocranion. Although it slightly asymmetric it shows no major distortions and the relatively well preserved mandible constrains its basal breadth. A preliminary multivariate analysis of cranial measurements by Peter Andrews suggested that the Iwo Eleru specimen was distinct from recent African groups'.

From the above analysis, there is no connection between Yoruba ancestors and this Iwo Eleru,which is the basis of my disagreement with those who claims Yoruba as the ancestors of human beings from ILE IFE Western Nigeria

Oh okay. I was just reading and following the arguments. I probably need to re-read the whole thread.

Here's one more link from the bbc: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14947363

ciao

Africaman:
Oh okay. I was just reading and following the arguments. I probably need to re-read the whole thread.

Here's one more link from the bbc: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14947363

ciao

"[The skull] has got a much more primitive appearance, even though it is only 13,000 years old," said Chris Stringer, from London's Natural History Museum, who was part of the team of researchers.

"I do not think that these findings add anything new to our view," said Prof Clive Finlayson, director of the Gibraltar Museum, who was not connected to the study.

The view of Prof Clive Finlayson clearly says it all about , the finding because the fossil human as primitively looking as it is doesn't have a match with other places with over + or - 200 thousands years of existence within Africa or Middle East..


Thanks anyway,

want2knowben:


Thank you for the citation. 'Ancient Ife: A reassessment' will make good read one of these days. I do not believe that the Yoruba or all peoples emanated from present-day Ife via the 'chicken and sand' route , especially since I am a Bible believer. I keep reading, I keep digging, I keep learning, I keep testing, including that which I already believe.

the chicken and sand analogy depicts yoruba creation story of biblical account of genesis.

Olu317:


I do not doubt the destruction of ancient ILEIFE but where was the particular ILE IFE ? As far as I am concern,this calendar is incoherent with the information as regard human fossils found in western Yoruba's , Nigeria. Do you have any information on Yoruba human fossil over 10,000+ years old? Kindly share because others and I want to learn.

fossils don't keep well in West Africa because of the climate and there are many ife sites scattered across West Africa. The present ife is not the most ancient one.

lawani:
fossils don't keep well in West Africa because of the climate and there are many ife sites scattered across West Africa. The present ife is not the most ancient one.

According to yoruba myth, ife was the place oduduwa descended upon to create the earth. (genesis 1).
it had been from day 1.

bluke:


According to yoruba myth, ife was the place oduduwa descended upon to create the earth. (genesis 1).
it had been from day 1.

yes but not the ptesent ife

lawani:
yes but not the ptesent ife

cradle of civilistion.

myths are peculiar to culture and location. All cultures of world has its story.
Ife oodaye ibi ti oju ti'n mowa (cradle of civilisation)


Historical ife is another thing.

lawani:
fossils don't keep well in West Africa because of the climate and there are many ife sites scattered across West Africa. The present ife is not the most ancient one.

If you say so although I disagree because fossil human found at Iwo Eleru wasn't exposed for its radio carbon date not to be verified. And I hope you know that the word ‘Oru' (heat place/land ) was not firstly used by Yoruba ancestors in West Africa but in Middle East, which is with saame meaning in middle East and its precise location was in modern day , Iraq before migration of these people took them to Ai(Àiyé) and otther places in Ancient Israel. If you have location or places in West Africa that has same cognate with this Yoruba word,kindly share.Though there are people who claim to bear such name in Nigeria but the meaning is different.


Cheers

Since you have mentioned shifting of location of ancient ILE IFE, then, kindly post ILE IFE that's older than ILE IFE of Nigeria in West Africa

Olu317:

If you say so although I disagree because fossil human found at Iwo Eleru wasn't exposed for its radio carbon date not to be verified. And I hope you know that the word ‘Oru' (heat place/land ) was not firstly used by Yoruba ancestors in West Africa but in Middle East, which is with saame meaning in middle East and its precise location was in modern day , Iraq before migration of these people took them to Ai(Àiyé) and otther places in Ancient Israel. If you have location or places in West Africa that has same cognate with this Yoruba word,kindly share.Though there are people who claim to bear such name in Nigeria but the meaning is different.


Cheers

Since you have mentioned shifting of location of ancient ILE IFE, then, kindly post ILE IFE that's older than ILE IFE of Nigeria in West Africa

wadai in central African republic is ife oodaye and it is older, ife in igala is older too. We still have many ifes like amadzofe and mawufe in Ghana and etc of the gbe people

lawani:
wadai in central African republic is ife oodaye and it is older, ife in igala is older too. We still have many ifes like amadzofe and mawufe in Ghana and etc of the gbe people

historically i'm thinking of nineveh before the flood.
Nineveh was around ur/chaldea where Abraham came from and they were all summers, the first civilisation

bluke:


the chicken and sand analogy depicts yoruba creation story of biblical account of genesis.

No, the other way my brother.

The Yoruba creation story is what the scribes took and recorded in scripture.

bluke:


historically i'm thinking of nineveh before the flood.
Nineveh was around ur/chaldea where Abraham came from and they were all summers, the first civilisation

Have you ever heard the Yoruba term Samari?

This is description of a youth grade in the conscriptive age.

In other words, those who are within the age band eligible and to be enlisted into a defense force to undergo training.

Tha Samari band in Yorubaland is between about 20 to 29.

Where did this term originate?

As Nineveh is cognate of Ile Ife, or Leve, I wouldn't be surprised at all is this usage is also cognate with Sumeria or sometimes called Samaria.


My dear brother, Macof, will probably be in position to educate better on this.

Olu17,

I have no doubt that you are a well informed scholar.

But trying to ram Jewish or Arabic basis by anyone as the descendants of Africans is horrifying.

Solid scientific, especially genetic and archeological evidence point to middle of Africa. Unfortunately, you and others are reversing it in your claims despite the fact that most of you are highly informed or educated.

I am yet to see an Arab or Jew that formulate as hard as some us do to link their language or base to Yoruba, Igbo or Hausa.

What is wrong with us?

Olu317:

If you say so although I disagree because fossil human found at Iwo Eleru wasn't exposed for its radio carbon date not to be verified. And I hope you know that the word ‘Oru' (heat place/land ) was not firstly used by Yoruba ancestors in West Africa but in Middle East, which is with saame meaning in middle East and its precise location was in modern day , Iraq before migration of these people took them to Ai(Àiyé) and otther places in Ancient Israel. If you have location or places in West Africa that has same cognate with this Yoruba word,kindly share.Though there are people who claim to bear such name in Nigeria but the meaning is different.


Cheers

Since you have mentioned shifting of location of ancient ILE IFE, then, kindly post ILE IFE that's older than ILE IFE of Nigeria in West Africa

googi:
Olu17,

I have no doubt that you are a well informed scholar.

But trying to ram Jewish or Arabic basis by anyone as the descendants of Africans is horrifying.

Solid scientific, especially genetic and archeological evidence point to middle of Africa. Unfortunately, you and others are reversing it in your claims despite the fact that most of you are highly informed or educated.

I am yet to see an Arab or Jew that formulate as hard as some us do to link their language or base to Yoruba, Igbo or Hausa.

What is wrong with us?

Dont force me to tell you the truth. If i share with you where things are in regard to Yoruba and everyone else, mttcheeew, my brother, you will shyyte in your pant.

Lets just keep this mouth shut.

ImperialYoruba:


Have you ever heard the Yoruba term Samari?

This is description of a youth grade in the conscriptive age.

In other words, those who are within the age band eligible and to be enlisted into a defense force to undergo training.

Tha Samari band in Yorubaland is between about 20 to 29.

Where did this term originate?

As Nineveh is cognate of Ile Ife, or Leve, I wouldn't be surprised at all is this usage is also cognate with Sumeria or sometimes called Samaria.


My dear brother, Macof, will probably be in position to educate better on this.

post noahs flood re creation was similar to genesis 1 creation and appearance of oduduwa.
the earth was filled water, reappeared on oramfe hill and noahs ark berthed on ararat. the earth continues from their.....

pls check the video above, it might help us out with your input.
thanks

lawani:
wadai in central African republic is ife oodaye and it is older, ife in igala is older too. We still have many ifes like amadzofe and mawufe in Ghana and etc of the gbe people

IFE in Wadai ? I have would prefer you share such link because I haven't come across such except people who came through IFA's-AFA practises. I know Ouidah (Wydia ) in Bénin Republique and it is fÔn group territory and their language isn't intelligible to Yoruba language's speakers. And every other Ife was after ILE IFE in Nigeria.

googi:
Olu17,

I have no doubt that you are a well informed scholar.

But trying to ram Jewish or Arabic basis by anyone as the descendants of Africans is horrifying.

Solid scientific, especially genetic and archeological evidence point to middle of Africa. Unfortunately, you and others are reversing it in your claims despite the fact that most of you are highly informed or educated.

I am yet to see an Arab or Jew that formulate as hard as some us do to link their language or base to Yoruba, Igbo or Hausa.

What is wrong with us?

You see, the Jews are the ones that are the one looking for lost tribes of Israel. And it has been documented on books , journals written to such effect and these information litters the Internet even from the site of Hebrew people's history. So it is quite funny that you feel that something is ‘wrong with some of us' as you have stated it.

The Falasas-Beta Jews don't speak the ancient Hebrew language but today they are in Israel land. Funny enough the ancient Hebrew language was discovered in 1905 ,so it is a relatively new knowledge to even the whole world because the spoken language in Israel was Roman-Latin-Greek influenced and not ancient Hebrews. Mind you, some historians had said Yorubas once lived with Between Egypt and Ancient Hebrew...This was a times even the Siniac Hebrew alphabet had not been discovered.

The British explorers knew that the Yoruba were Hebrew, but they kept mute because, there was miss in the link of Yoruba history. And the missing part of the history is what the historians,archeologists,linguistics are looking for to seal this Yorubas connection. Clearly, the liars or the ignorant amongst Yoruba are the ones denouncing this claims. The Oranmiyan hieroglyph/pictograph is an Hebrew inscription, which is the reason I will make my instructor to interpret it unless it is not it is not an Hebrew written word. In fact, it is the simplest interpretation by the grace of God

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Olu317:


You see, the Jews are the ones that are the one looking for lost tribes of Israel. And it has been documented on books , journals written to such effect and these information litters the Internet even from the site of Hebrew people's history. So it is quite funny that you feel that something is ‘wrong with some of us' as you have stated it.

The Falasas-Beta Jews don't speak the ancient Hebrew language but today they are in Israel land. Funny enough the ancient Hebrew language was discovered in 1905 ,so it is a relatively new knowledge to even the whole world because the spoken language in Israel was Roman-Latin-Greek influenced and not ancient Hebrews. Mind you, some historians had said Yorubas once lived with Between Egypt and Ancient Hebrew...This was a times even the Siniac Hebrew alphabet had not been discovered.

The British explorers knew that the Yoruba were Hebrew, but they kept mute because, there was miss in the link of Yoruba history. And the missing part of the history is what the historians,archeologists,linguistics are looking for to seal this Yorubas connection. Clearly, the liars or the ignorant amongst Yoruba are the ones denouncing this claims. The Oranmiyan hieroglyphs is an Hebrew inscription, which is the reason I will make my instructor interpret. In fact, it is the simplest interpretation by the grace of God

ancient hebrew would be kemitic egyptian which is the ancrstor of modern Yoruba but that does not make Yoruba hebrew

Olu317:


IFE in Wadai ? I have would prefer you share such link because I haven't come across such except people who came through IFA's-AFA practises. I know Ouidah (Wydia ) in Bénin Republique and it is fÔn group territory and their language isn't intelligible to Yoruba language's speakers. And every other Ife was after ILE IFE in Nigeria.

migration history as recorded by sultan bello


wadai as claimed by awujale of ijebu

lawani:
[code][/code]ancient hebrew would be kemitic egyptian which is the ancrstor of modern Yoruba but that does not make Yoruba hebrew

Well, what I have shared has been as a result of grace of God but know it that the ancient Hebrew lived in Egypt for over 400,000+ years according to biblical information and archeological evidence testified that ancient Hebrew lived in the land of kemet. And if ancient Hebrew group lived for such years in Egypt , wouldn't such people understand part of Egyptian language? If you understand this, you will realise that the Yorubas are not from Western Africa origm

Olu317:


Well, what I have shared has been as a result of grace of God but know it that the ancient Hebrew lived in Egypt for over 400,000+ years according to biblical information and archeological evidence testified that ancient Hebrew lived in the land of kemet. And if ancient Hebrew group lived for such years in Egypt , wouldn't such people understand part of Egyptian language? If you understand this, you will realise that the Yorubas are not from Western Africa origm

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hebrews lived in Egypt for four hundred years speaking kemitic egyptian. Celts in Britain got their language changed to English by Germanic migrants but they remain 70 percent Celtic by dna. Same is true of Yoruba. We are west african

lawani:

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hebrews lived in Egypt for four hundred years speaking kemitic egyptian. Celts in Britain got their language changed to English by Germanic migrants but they remain 70 percent Celtic by dna. Same is true of Yoruba. We are west african

No sir, because West Africa isn't a tribe or an ethnic group. If it is by light skin,the Hebrews won't accept the falasas-Beta Israel ( black jews) as ancient Hebrew. You see,the most intriguing aspect, is that the history of Hebrews that left Soudan were over 300,000 in population. And these people left around 500 BC etc before other migration took place.