diggz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcYDKGtouco

Jam

CaptainMitch they've released video to our song o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYQjfDxXlU

Jam of life blogger Brownie is pregnant. I just found out

ibkayee:
CaptainMitch they've released video to our song o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYQjfDxXlU

CaptainMitch:
Jam of life blogger Brownie is pregnant. I just found out

Your friend?

I haven’t watched her videos in a while, congrats to her

darealsola:
Ibk wassup...and all trap loverss

Is there anybody listening to these 2guys...gunna and lil baby....damn like damn these guys are goats...they are just born to sing...these guys are just too good...their collab album was just one of the best to co.e out this year.....especially that gunna...he was almost on all trap album this year...everyone wants to feature gunna..if you ain't bumping them then you should try them out...gunna is just a BEAST..he killed all his features and singles...damn I can't get enough of him and lil baby...
Now to metro boomin...damn that guy's production is out of this world....just hear not all heroes wear capes and you will understand what I'm saying..

What I noticed this year is that it is just too crazy...everyone is dropping album and eps..damn like these trappers are crazy....offset album still otw....21savage album is fye already....baby and gunna is there so you should definitely hear it...

Who has heard boogie's album...I heard its fire...who has heard it....was it good?
On the other hand I'm still waiting for travis x asap rocky collab....I pray they work together....i'ma cry if they don't give us any track...

Young thug album on the way....don't know if it's this year tho but I really want it...gunna Must def kill it..ps...who knows this young thug babe (karlae) she also just started trapping too and she's hard AF..

I’ve only heard a collab lil baby did with city girls. I’ll check out more of his music

Yeah very pleasant surprise, happy holidays, hope you are having fun?

ibkayee:

Your friend?

I haven’t watched her videos in a while, congrats to her

CaptainMitch:
Yeah very pleasant surprise, happy holidays, hope you are having fun?

Yeah I am thanks, hope you're having fun too

Not yet but I am hopeful the holiday will be lit.

ibkayee:

Yeah I am thanks, hope you're having fun too

CaptainMitch:
Not yet but I am hopeful the holiday will be lit.

Ayyyy

Peter Hollens and Tim Foust - The Sound of Silence (Acapella Cover)
Peter Hollens and Malukah - Vokul Fen Mah

Eurielle
Je t'adore
Luthien's Lament

This ain't grime sha. Closer to funky house tbh.

Still bangs sha

ibkayee:
CaptainMitch they've released video to our song o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYQjfDxXlU

This babe again

Nice gif

Thieves empty female student’s room while on vacation

http://www.bazenaija.com.ng/thieves-empty-female-students-room-while-on-vacation/

Uyo Meyo - Teni
Got goose bumps listening to this

[Lyrics] Peruzzi Try (feat Davido)

http://www.bazenaija.com.ng/lyrics-peruzzi-try-feat-davido/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymmkv5DjvfE

Popcaan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTAghWx_K7U


Reminds me of da queen....Patra!

A40:
Lmaooooo. Nas needs to thank Jay Z for that beef. His career was in ICU prior to that.

And yes Jay is better than Nas. Better rappers are not judged over beef tracks. That's why rappers half Jay's age are still demanding his verses

Let me correct this notion.Demands for Verses doesn't mean an artist is better.Any upcoming artist will kill to have a Drake verse on his song due to the flavour Drake brings with him and not generally because he's a better artist than let's say Kendrick Lamar.No true MC from the 90s will demand a verse from Drake over a Kendrick verse but today's generation of musicians will prefer a Drake verse over a K.Dot due to as I said what he brings to the table.

Now to the issue of Jay and Nasir.This all depends on the perspective one looks at it.Career wise Jay has been better (Hits,Grammys,Better albums etc) but from a Hiphop perspective,No jay Album comes close to Illmatic.It was the first album to be considered a classic in hiphop and has been standard gauge in which classic hiphop albums are being used to measure in hiphop till date.Only albums to be put into same conversation is Lauren Hills "Misconception of Lauren Hill" and Kendrick's "TPAB".Reasonable Doubt is a classic but no true hiphop head will measure it up will Illmatic.


Jay's flows and rythms are a bite of B.I.G and many have even questioned his originality.No hiphop artist comes close to lyricism and story telling than Nas in hiphop

Jay's Dead Presidents was a Nas song and in hiphop it's a taboo for an mc to Jack off another Mcs style not to even talking about how Nas obliterated him when they went toe to toe in their beef that even artists from Jay's camp confirmed that Nas won the beef which itself is a huge statement.That song till today is also arguably the biggest beef/rap song of all time


So in all in all,it all depends on your perspective.I may go in terms of artistry,you may go in terms of achievements.Its a tough nut to crack and we both may not be wrong

As much as I like Jigga, I think The post above me is spot on


Diana - Tekno.

If you are not listening to Uyo Meyo by Teni, you are not listening to anything. I have not heard a song that ate deep into my soul in ages like Uyo Meyo did. Add to your playlist and thank me now

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Adiwana:


Let me correct this notion.Demands for Verses doesn't mean an artist is better.Any upcoming artist will kill to have a Drake verse on his song due to the flavour Drake brings with him and not generally because he's a better artist than let's say Kendrick Lamar.No true MC from the 90s will demand a verse from Drake over a Kendrick verse but today's generation of musicians will prefer a Drake verse over a K.Dot due to as I said what he brings to the table.

Now to the issue of Jay and Nasir.This all depends on the perspective one looks at it.Career wise Jay has been better (Hits,Grammys,Better albums etc) but from a Hiphop perspective,No jay Album comes close to Illmatic.It was the first album to be considered a classic in hiphop and has been standard gauge in which classic hiphop albums are being used to measure in hiphop till date.Only albums to be put into same conversation is Lauren Hills "Misconception of Lauren Hill" and Kendrick's "TPAB".Reasonable Doubt is a classic but no true hiphop head will measure it up will Illmatic.


Jay's flows and rythms are a bite of B.I.G and many have even questioned his originality.No hiphop artist comes close to lyricism and story telling than Nas in hiphop

Jay's Dead Presidents was a Nas song and in hiphop it's a taboo for an mc to Jack off another Mcs style not to even talking about how Nas obliterated him when they went toe to toe in their beef that even artists from Jay's camp confirmed that Nas won the beef which itself is a huge statement.That song till today is also arguably the biggest beef/rap song of all time


So in all in all,it all depends on your perspective.I may go in terms of artistry,you may go in terms of achievements.Its a tough nut to crack and we both may not be wrong

Spot on.I used to hear stories of how jay used to cry on interviews after Ether came out

Adiwana:


Let me correct this notion.Demands for Verses doesn't mean an artist is better.Any upcoming artist will kill to have a Drake verse on his song due to the flavour Drake brings with him and not generally because he's a better artist than let's say Kendrick Lamar.No true MC from the 90s will demand a verse from Drake over a Kendrick verse but today's generation of musicians will prefer a Drake verse over a K.Dot due to as I said what he brings to the table.

Demands for verses indicate respect from your peers. An important factor in any GOAT debate Are you trivializing that? Your Drake example does not apply to Jay Z as he's guest versed hardcore rappers, commercial rappers and rappers he's old enough to sire.

Adiwana:

Now to the issue of Jay and Nasir.This all depends on the perspective one looks at it.Career wise Jay has been better (Hits,Grammys,Better albums etc) but from a Hiphop perspective,No jay Album comes close to Illmatic.It was the first album to be considered a classic in hiphop and has been standard gauge in which classic hiphop albums are being used to measure in hiphop till date.Only albums to be put into same conversation is Lauren Hills "Misconception of Lauren Hill" and Kendrick's "TPAB".Reasonable Doubt is a classic but no true hiphop head will measure it up will Illmatic.

The Chronic was not a classic? Lol what is this blasphemy!
You people keep making the criminal mistake of judging a rapper off of one seminal work. It's why Nas's career was also in ICU till his Jay Z beef and it's also why he couldn't keep up the momentum after the beef died down. I judge rappers over their overall body of work. You can't sit there and tell me Lauryn Hill is the Greatest Female MC because of one album for example.
Even if you think Illmatic is the best thing since Gizdodo. I don't agree with that and unless there is a Hip-hop head association I don't know of that holds this opinion and is recognized by the UN then it's laughable to suggest Reasonable Doubt cannot be compared to Illmatic

Adiwana:

Jay's flows and rythms are a bite of B.I.G and many have even questioned his originality.No hiphop artist comes close to lyricism and story telling than Nas in hiphop

These are all bare lies peddled by Jay's haters. How do you wax 13 albums (4-5 classics) off another person's style? Does that even add up.

Adiwana:

Jay's Dead Presidents was a Nas song and in hiphop it's a taboo for an mc to Jack off another Mcs style not to even talking about how Nas obliterated him when they went toe to toe in their beef that even artists from Jay's camp confirmed that Nas won the beef which itself is a huge statement.That song till today is also arguably the biggest beef/rap song of all time

Haba! What is this myth you're propagating. He used a line to make a chorus! Rappers do this all the time. Using your logic we can also say Nas was jacking Kurtis Blow and Grandmaster Flash on his It was Written album.

This is the same Nas that suddenly switched to gang and mafioso rap when he saw that it was the in thing in rap. Calling himself Nas Escobar. Lmaooo

That's who you are presenting as a bastion of originality? Abeggi

I don't care who won their beef. Buster Douglas once knocked out Tyson. Nobody would put him ahead of Tyson. Again when judging rappers I consider their entire work!! Not one hit album or a good diss track! This is why people rate C.Ronaldo, Messi, Jordan, Tom Brady as the best ever in their fields. Consistency and longevity. Not telling me about Illmatic of 1994

Adiwana:

So in all in all,it all depends on your perspective.I may go in terms of artistry,you may go in terms of achievements.Its a tough nut to crack and we both may not be wrong

Fair enough

A40:

Demands for verses indicate respect from your peers. An important factor in any GOAT debate Are you trivializing that? Your Drake example does not apply to Jay Z as he's guest versed hardcore rappers, commercial rappers and rappers he's old enough to sire.

The Chronic was not a classic? Lol what is this blasphemy!
You people keep making the criminal mistake of judging a rapper off of one seminal work. It's why Nas's career was also in ICU till his Jay Z beef and it's also why he couldn't keep up the momentum after the beef died down. I judge rappers over their overall body of work. You can't sit there and tell me Lauryn Hill is the Greatest Female MC because of one album for example.
Even if you think Illmatic is the best thing since Gizdodo. I don't agree with that and unless there is a Hip-hop head association I don't know of that holds this opinion and is recognized by the UN then it's laughable to suggest Reasonable Doubt cannot be compared to Illmatic


These are all bare lies peddled by Jay's haters. How do you wax 13 albums (4-5 classics) off another person's style? Does that even add up.


Haba! What is this myth you're propagating. He used a line to make a chorus! Rappers do this all the time. Using your logic we can also say Nas was jacking Kurtis Blow and Grandmaster Flash on his It was Written album.

This is the same Nas that suddenly switched to gang and mafioso rap when he saw that it was the in thing in rap. Calling himself Nas Escobar. Lmaooo

That's who you are presenting as a bastion of originality? Abeggi

I don't care who won their beef. Buster Douglas once knocked out Tyson. Nobody would put him ahead of Tyson. Again when judging rappers I consider their entire work!! Not one hit album or a good diss track! This is why people rate C.Ronaldo, Messi, Jordan, Tom Brady as the best ever in their fields. Consistency and longevity. Not telling me about Illmatic of 1994

Fair enough

1.Wrong.Demand for verses doesn't in any way indicate respect from your peers.Drake is a highly demanded artist because of the buzz he brings.Any song he touches goes gold and its mostly certainly going to get radio plays,streams etc unlike Kendrick Lamar who doesn't have that commercial appeal.Eminem can never "respect" Drake because of issues surrounding his ghost writing which to Eminem and true hiphop fans,that once ghost writing comes into play in the life of an Mc,he's respect is automatically over..

Nas even said in one of his songs that he rarely does collaboration.Him doing it now is just a statement of him moving out of that shell.Same thing J.cole is doing now

2. The Chronic was a classic but Illmatic was the first ever certified classic.Following your logic,Straight out of Compton,36 chambers are classics of nheir own and came out way before Illmatic. Illmatic has been the bench mark till date on whether any album is to be certified a classic or not.No Jay's album has ever done that.Comparing Reasonable Doubt to Illmatic??Comon bro,you may not like Nas but that doesn't mean you don't have to speak facts when you see one

Using your Logic,one would say Eminem is trash based on the number of Classics to number of trash albums he's released over the years.Pac and BIG had what,2 classics between them??

Hiphop doesn't judge based on body of work throughout your whole career.Wu Tang had one classic in 36 chambers,Run Dmc had "Run Dmc",Pac had All eyes on Me,Nas himself has Illmatic and a host of other MCs had only one classic or max of 2 and in hiphop,one body of work is deemed great to put you into the G.O.A.T conversation.Eminem is the best selling Mc ever,has been hugely successful but most people don't even have him in their top 5,me included because it's not by how successful but Impact you had to the genre.Hes had a huge impact,but none of his album comes close to giving that impact Illmatic had


As i said it all depends on what you are looking at while judging an Mc,but Lauryn had The fugees and out rapped both Pras and Wyclef jean.If you listen to The score album,she was the bedrock of the album from intro to the outro.Technically,she had only 2 successful albums but name me a female artist that has a better body work than Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill then I will not consider her the greatest female Mc.

Note that only TPAB,Illmatic,Miseducation of Lauryn Hill and Low End theory are the only hiphop albums in Harvards library and its no coincidence that Reasonable Doubt or no Jay Album is there.

3.Not lies.Nas said in ether "Even Eminem murdered you need your own shit" which Jay himself admitted that Eminem out rapped him on renegade.Even j cole rapped in Villuminati that he used to say "Bleep Jay z".A popular phrase that was coined by Nas himself.

4.If you have been following hiphop religiously,you can't overlook that.Its just like PAC rapping over a BIG chorus not as a diss song but as an actual single.He would be crowned hard and his respect ultimately going low

On the Nas Escobar thing,Nas has always associated himself as someone who grew up selling drugs and being influenced by top drop dealers such as Tony Montana and Escobar himself.Its not something new

Adiwana:


1.Wrong.Demand for verses doesn't in any way indicate respect from your peers.Drake is a highly demanded artist because of the buzz he brings.Any song he touches goes gold and its mostly certainly going to get radio plays,streams etc unlike Kendrick Lamar who doesn't have that commercial appeal.Eminem can never "respect" Drake because of issues surrounding his ghost writing which to Eminem and true hiphop fans,that once ghost writing comes into play in the life of an Mc,he's respect is automatically over..

Lool you're confusing radio hits for collaboration. This is an awful take! Back in the 90's it was a massive sign of respect to have another rapper come and guest rap on your track. Wu-Tang did it with Nas and there are numerous other examples I can bring. Jay also wanted to get a verse from Nas at a point. Stop using the Drake example! It's a terrible one and doesn't tally
at all.

Adiwana:

Nas even said in one of his songs that he rarely does collaboration.Him doing it now is just a statement of him moving out of that shell.Same thing J.cole is doing now

Any credible MC wanting you on their track is a sign of respect. Especially on tracks that aren't going to necessarily become chart topping singles.

Adiwana:

2. The Chronic was a classic but Illmatic was the first ever certified classic.Following your logic,Straight out of Compton,36 chambers are classics of nheir own and came out way before Illmatic. Illmatic has been the bench mark till date on whether any album is to be certified a classic or not.No Jay's album has ever done that.Comparing Reasonable Doubt to Illmatic??Comon bro,you may not like Nas but that doesn't mean you don't have to speak facts when you see one

Certified by who? The UN? There were loads of classic albums dropped before Illmatic abeg. Stop spreading this myth and urban legend. You're not talking to a rookie in this rap matter. Like I said art is subjective but saying Reasonable Doubt shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Illmatic is sensationalist fallacy.

Adiwana:

Using your Logic,one would say Eminem is trash based on the number of Classics to number of trash albums he's released over the years.Pac and BIG had what,2 classics between them??

Nobody said Eminem is trash. However when I see an artist make 4 good albums I'd take that artiste over one that makes 1 great album and 3 mediocre ones. You can't make a GOAT debate without volume. Lol BIG had just two albums. Bad example. Pac and Biggie will always get a pass based on what they did over such a short time

Adiwana:

Hiphop doesn't judge based on body of work throughout your whole career.Wu Tang had one classic in 36 chambers,Run Dmc had "Run Dmc",Pac had All eyes on Me,Nas himself has Illmatic and a host of other MCs had only one classic or max of 2 and in hiphop,one body of work is deemed great to put you into the G.O.A.T conversation.Eminem is the best selling Mc ever,has been hugely successful but most people don't even have him in their top 5,me included because it's not by how successful but Impact you had to the genre.Hes had a huge impact,but none of his album comes close to giving that impact Illmatic had

We are talking of individual rappers and you're talking of collectives. Na wa oh! How many albums does the average rap group drop?

Pac had volume! Why do you think he is so revered and for so long niggas thought he was still alive? Cos he kept dropping solid work from the other side! It's why a lot of people rate him above Biggie despite Biggie being arguably the more naturally gifted rapper.

One body of work can never be enough to be ranked amongst the GOATs barring extraordinary circumstances like premature demise

Adiwana:

As i said it all depends on what you are looking at while judging an Mc,but Lauryn had The fugees and out rapped both Pras and Wyclef jean.If you listen to The score album,she was the bedrock of the album from intro to the outro.Technically,she had only 2 successful albums but name me a female artist that has a better body work than Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill then I will not consider her the greatest female Mc.

How hard can it be to outrap Pras and Wyclef? Lmaooo!!
I don't consider Lauryn Hill the best rapper of her generation sef. Foxy and Lil Kim held their own with men and you're mentioning Lauryn Hill. Foxy was bussing with Jay Z, Nas and AZ FFS

Miseducation of Lauryn Hill was not a pure rap album. What Lauryn Hill had to her advantage was her versatility. She's kinda like what Drake is now. As far as pure mic skills though either of Foxy or Lil Kim would have her head on a spike

Adiwana:

Note that only TPAB,Illmatic,Miseducation of Lauryn Hill and Low End theory are the only hiphop albums in Harvards library and its no coincidence that Reasonable Doubt or no Jay Album is there.

That one is not my business. This doesn't make you a better rapper

Adiwana:

3.Not lies.Nas said in ether "Even Eminem murdered you need your own shit" which Jay himself admitted that Eminem out rapped him on renegade.Even j cole rapped in Villuminati that he used to say "Bleep Jay z".A popular phrase that was coined by Nas himself.

This one you're saying is still irrelevant to the subject matter at hand. I don't recall anyone disputing Nas winning the beef. My own point is over the duration of their careers Jay Z has put out better work. People that rate Pac over Biggie don't rate him that way because of Hit em up alone. They consider other songs he put out over his career. This is so for every sphere of human endeavor

Adiwana:

4.If you have been following hiphop religiously,you can't overlook that.Its just like PAC rapping over a BIG chorus not as a diss song but as an actual single.He would be crowned hard and his respect ultimately going low

It's a sample! Everybody was sampling in the 90's! Even your Nas. Biggie's first track on Ready to Die was a Dr Dre sample. Lool abeg tell this one to people that don't know Rap history not me

Adiwana:

On the Nas Escobar thing,Nas has always associated himself as someone who grew up selling drugs and being influenced by top drop dealers such as Tony Montana and Escobar himself.Its not something new

Lmaooo Story for the gods. Everyone knew that Nas switched demeanor from poet to overnight drug dealer. Did a complete 180 just to jump on the mafioso rap bandwagon. He was not about that life ab initio. His old man was a jazz musician

I'm enjoying this back and forth A40 and Adiwana. Not about to get involved in it but i'd say No way does Em not make the Top 5 greatest of all time. Most people have Him Top 3 even. Put aside His Commercial success for a sec, He is one of the illest underground battler rappers of all time.

A40:
Lool you're confusing radio hits for collaboration. This is an awful take! Back in the 90's it was a massive sign of respect to have another rapper come and guest rap on your track. Wu-Tang did it with Nas and there are numerous other examples I can bring. Jay also wanted to get a verse from Nas at a point. Stop using the Drake example! It's a terrible one and doesn't tally
at all.


Any credible MC wanting you on their track is a sign of respect. Especially on tracks that aren't going to necessarily become chart topping singles.



Certified by who? The UN? There were loads of classic albums dropped before Illmatic abeg. Stop spreading this myth and urban legend. You're not talking to a rookie in this rap matter. Like I said art is subjective but saying Reasonable Doubt shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Illmatic is sensationalist fallacy.


Nobody said Eminem is trash. However when I see an artist make 4 good albums I'd take that artiste over one that makes 1 great album and 3 mediocre ones. You can't make a GOAT debate without volume. Lol BIG had just two albums. Bad example. Pac and Biggie will always get a pass based on what they did over such a short time


We are talking of individual rappers and you're talking of collectives. Na wa oh! How many albums does the average rap group drop?

Pac had volume! Why do you think he is so revered and for so long niggas thought he was still alive? Cos he kept dropping solid work from the other side! It's why a lot of people rate him above Biggie despite Biggie being arguably the more naturally gifted rapper.

One body of work can never be enough to be ranked amongst the GOATs barring extraordinary circumstances like premature demise


How hard can it be to outrap Pras and Wyclef? Lmaooo!!
I don't consider Lauryn Hill the best rapper of her generation sef. Foxy and Lil Kim held their own with men and you're mentioning Lauryn Hill. Foxy was bussing with Jay Z, Nas and AZ FFS

Miseducation of Lauryn Hill was not a pure rap album. What Lauryn Hill had to her advantage was her versatility. She's kinda like what Drake is now. As far as pure mic skills though either of Foxy or Lil Kim would have her head on a spike


That one is not my business. This doesn't make you a better rapper


This one you're saying is still irrelevant to the subject matter at hand. I don't recall anyone disputing Nas winning the beef. My own point is over the duration of their careers Jay Z has put out better work. People that rate Pac over Biggie don't rate him that way because of Hit em up alone. They consider other songs he put out over his career. This is so for every sphere of human endeavor


It's a sample! Everybody was sampling in the 90's! Even your Nas. Biggie's first track on Ready to Die was a Dr Dre sample. Lool abeg tell this one to people that don't know Rap history not me

Lmaooo Story for the gods. Everyone knew that Nas switched demeanor from poet to overnight drug dealer. Did a complete 180 just to jump on the mafioso rap bandwagon. He was not about that life ab initio. His old man was a jazz musician

1.Am not confusing radio hits with collaboration.You are highly confusing Me throwing in Drake into the mix by linking it to radio hits so let me drop Drake out of the question

As I said,Nas rarely did collaborations.He even said it i think in one of his tracks in It was written.In fact the only people he well did collaborations with was AZ and Mobb Depp.i can thrown in Foxy Brown but those were the people who appeared on his projects and who he appeared on their projects.Technically speaking,East Coast Artists were the people who he collaborated with most.Even at that he barely worked with people aside guys in the affirmative action group.Thats just his personality as an artist.

Jay has a song with Eminem but Nas is yet to collaborate with Eminem.Nas at StIIllmatic couldve easily worked with Eminem and that wouldve been ground shattering in hiphop.2002 was ether and Eminem putting The Source magazine out of business,dissing everybody and dominating the hiphop scene.

If I was to go by the Mc wanting you on their records,then mf doom wouldve appeared on tons of records.And don't even go with the his an underground rapper narrative.Hes a well respected figure in hiphop but I can't even name a song he's done with any A list rapper.Some rappers just want to make music for their fan bases and do not care what happens outside.A perfect example is J Cole who's following Nas footsteps.Work with my inner circles,put out music for my fan Base and don't care what happens after

2.Its not Rocket science that most websites and critics rate Illmatic higher than Reasonable Doubt.I could easily post screenshot but that will be unnecessary.This is link by complex https://www.complex.com/music/2012/11/the-50-greatest-debut-albums-in-hip-hop-history/dr-dre-the-chronic?utm_source=google&utm_campaign=referral_google_amp&utm_medium=organic

Reasonable Doubt had Dead Presidents as second lead single and Nas declined the offer to appear on the track which is testimony to my earlier assertion that he hardly collabortated and also pointed out your own assertion that having an Mc on your track was an honor.He declined that honor .Illmatic has been inducted into Harvards Museum by 9th wonder something Reasonable Doubt is yet attain.Albums inducted are albums that have an impact and I have already mentioned the albums inducted


3.Eminem has been thrash for years now and has dropped mediocre albums over the span of 4 albums or so.What did MGK,Joe Budden use to diss him.Dropped one of the worst albums in Revival ever in Hiphop.He even admitted that Revival was thrash in his last album.Hes last album was the only good album he's dropped in more than a decade.I can as well call him thrash because of how he went from Killing Jay on his own track to having Ed sheeran sing for him to rack his numbers up

5.Pac lived his rap,had more influence and that why he is being revered higher than BIG not volume.You are missing the key point which is INFLUENCE.No other artist was influential more than Pac.Hes lyrics were average at best,he's beat selections were good but not great,Biggie had better flow and rythm but Pac was a complete artist in every form.Many people can't even name Michael Jacksons albums apart from thriller despite having a large volume of work.BAD was the only better album he had after thriller,every other just had one or two classic songs and that was it..I might as well call him thrash cause his classics didn't match his volume of work and he had only one album that really stands out from the pack.Dude wasn't just an artist that puts out anything,but influenced and inspired the music he produced.Thats why many consider him the greatest artist of all time.Same with Pac.Pac's work were solid but nobody rates him higher because of how voluminous and solid his works were.He just had that energy more than ever other artist

6.Am not going to talk about Lauryn because is not really the point of discussion but please don't mention her and Drake in the same sentence.Drake Versatile??lol

7.Hes always been a poet and artists ought to evolve in their rap.Jay went from rapping About growing up as a drug dealer,bragging about fvcking Nas Baby momma in his car to rapping about his wife Beyonce forgiving him for cheating in The Carters album.lmao.Early 2000s he won't have dared putting out a music apologising to a woman or he wouldve seen hundreds of diss and sublims coming his way from Nas himself to Mobb deep to the entire East Coast.But now he can do it and nobody will care because of evolution of rap.As I already said,artist evolve and as a poet it's part of the story telling irrespective of whether his pops was a jazz artist or not

chic2pimp:
I'm enjoying this back and forth A40 and Adiwana. Not about to get involved in it but i'd say No way does Em not make the Top 5 greatest of all time. Most people have Him Top 3 even. Put aside His Commercial success for a sec, He is one of the illest underground battler rappers of all time.

Eminem is a great rapper.Started with battle rap and rose to where he is now.Lyrics,Delivery,Flows and the ability to rhyme is second to none."Stan" is in the dictionary because of him.Murdered Jay z in his own track,He made Ja Rule to be irrelevant,Was the reason the greatest hiphop magazine The Source went out of business,brought in 50 Cent and is the most feared rapper in hiphop.Nobody dares to diss him.Drop a diss track and watch him make an example out of you

But he's not top 3 not even top 5 but definitely in top 10.There were better rapper than him in Rakim,Big L,Big Pun etc.

IMO, Takeover is a better diss track than Ether
Takeover has more witty and serious lines

3
I know you miss it Nas the (fame)
But along with celebrity comes about 70 shots to your frame
Nigga, you a (lame)
You's the gay model for Karl Kani, Esco ads
Went from Nasty Nas to Esco's trash
Had a spark when you started, but now you're just garbage
Fell from top 10 to not mentioned at all
To your bodyguard's "Oochie Wally"'s verse better than yours
Matter of fact, you had the worst flow on the whole fuckin' song
But I know: the sun don't shine, then son don't shine
That's why your (lame) career's come to an end
It's only so long fake thugs can pretend
Nigga, you ain't live it, you witnessed it from your folks' pad
You scribbled it in your notepad and created your life
I showed you your first TEC on tour with Large Professor
Then I heard your album about your TEC on the dresser
So yeah, I sampled your voice, you was usin' it wrong
You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song
And you ain't get a coin, nigga, you was gettin' bleeped then
I know who I paid, God – Serchlite publishin'
Use your (brain) – you said you've been in this 10
I've been in it five; smarten up, Nas!
Four albums in 10 years, nigga? I could divide
That's one every… let's say two, two of them shits was due
One was "nah," the other was Illmatic
That's a one-hot-album-every-10-year average
And that's so (lame)
Nigga, switch up your flow, your shit is garbage
What you tryin' to kick, knowledge?
You niggas gonna learn to respect the king
Don't be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen
Because you-know-who did you-know-what
With you-know-who, but let's keep that between me and you

4
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
‘Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
So stop with that childish shit, nigga, I'm grown
Please leave it alone, don't throw rocks at the throne
Do not bark up that tree, that tree will fall on you
I don't know why your advisers ain't forewarn you
Please, not Jay, he's not for play
I don't slack a minute, all that thug rappin' and gimmicks
I will end it, all that yappin' be finished
You are not deep, you made your bed, now sleep
Don't make me expose you to them folks that don't know you
Nigga, I know you well, all the stolen jew-els
Twinkletoes, you're breakin' my heart
You can't Bleep with me; go play somewhere, I'm busy
And all you other cats throwin' shots at Jigga
You only get half a bar – Bleep y'all niggas!

Adiwana:


1.Am not confusing radio hits with collaboration.You are highly confusing Me throwing in Drake into the mix by linking it to radio hits so let me drop Drake out of the question

You're the one that brought Drake into the argument. Suggesting commercial appeal is the reason artistes choose to go into collaboration. I've showed you multiple instances where that is not the case. At least dropping Drake tells me you have realised the error in your argument

Adiwana:

As I said,Nas rarely did collaborations.He even said it i think in one of his tracks in It was written.In fact the only people he well did collaborations with was AZ and Mobb Depp.i can thrown in Foxy Brown but those were the people who appeared on his projects and who he appeared on their projects.Technically speaking,East Coast Artists were the people who he collaborated with most.Even at that he barely worked with people aside guys in the affirmative action group.Thats just his personality as an artist.

This is not a knock on Jay Z that Nas chooses to be a lyrical hermit. My point remains that in the past, present and even future Jay Z has commanded more guest appearances. Even among critically good rappers now, most would prefer a Jay Z verse on their track than a Nas verse. Jay Z ticks all the boxes without compromising the quality of the rap

Adiwana:

Jay has a song with Eminem but Nas is yet to collaborate with Eminem.Nas at StIIllmatic couldve easily worked with Eminem and that wouldve been ground shattering in hiphop.2002 was ether and Eminem putting The Source magazine out of business,dissing everybody and dominating the hiphop scene.

Again this proves nothing aside Nas being a lyrical hermit. Jay Z on the other hand was able to leave his comfort zone as an MC and work with other rappers. It's why he could write a song like Still Dre and you would not believe ab initio because it sounds like what a West coast MC would conjure. I don't see why a rapper should get credit for refusing to work with his contemporaries especially when the person he is being compared with is doing it and doing it exceptionally

Adiwana:

If I was to go by the Mc wanting you on their records,then mf doom wouldve appeared on tons of records.And don't even go with the his an underground rapper narrative.Hes a well respected figure in hiphop but I can't even name a song he's done with any A list rapper.Some rappers just want to make music for their fan bases and do not care what happens outside.A perfect example is J Cole who's following Nas footsteps.Work with my inner circles,put out music for my fan Base and don't care what happens after

You are still dancing Zanku around the point. If you opt not to work with your contemporaries and you're in a dead heat with someone at your lyrical level that does and is still doing at a high level 2 decades later, then you can't tell me the latter rapper does not have an advantage

Adiwana:

2.Its not Rocket science that most websites and critics rate Illmatic higher than Reasonable Doubt.I could easily post screenshot but that will be unnecessary.This is link by complex https://www.complex.com/music/2012/11/the-50-greatest-debut-albums-in-hip-hop-history/dr-dre-the-chronic?utm_source=google&utm_campaign=referral_google_amp&utm_medium=organic

Lists would forever be subjective. Rolling Stones has Illmatic at 18th and Reasonable Doubt at 9th. We all have our defacto favorite albums but claiming Reasonable Doubt is not comparable to Illmatic is dangerously laughable

Adiwana:

Reasonable Doubt had Dead Presidents as second lead single and Nas declined the offer to appear on the track which is testimony to my earlier assertion that he hardly collabortated and also pointed out your own assertion that having an Mc on your track was an honor.He declined that honor .Illmatic has been inducted into Harvards Museum by 9th wonder something Reasonable Doubt is yet attain.Albums inducted are albums that have an impact and I have already mentioned the albums inducted

Which goes back to my argument. If Nas consistently refuses to honor guest invites and then another rapper does and shines at it you can't hold it against that rapper. And in the year of our Lord 2018 I'm pretty sure most rappers would prefer a Jay verse to a Nas verse which speaks to his relevance

As for the Harvard induction that is immaterial. 9th Wonder is one individual who borderline probably selected his favorite albums

https://country.iheart.com/content/2017-02-22-jay-z-becomes-first-rapper-inducted-into-the-songwriters-hall-of-fame/

This is Jay Z being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame. First rapper to ever achieve this feat. So bone that impact talk.

Adiwana:

3.Eminem has been thrash for years now and has dropped mediocre albums over the span of 4 albums or so.What did MGK,Joe Budden use to diss him.Dropped one of the worst albums in Revival ever in Hiphop.He even admitted that Revival was thrash in his last album.Hes last album was the only good album he's dropped in more than a decade.I can as well call him thrash because of how he went from Killing Jay on his own track to having Ed sheeran sing for him to rack his numbers up

This is my point. You can't say you're greater than someone when the person has a better body of work than you do. Kamikaze was a rubbish album as well btw

My stance has always been consistent. Over the span of their rap careers whether Eminem or Nas there is no rapper out there that has a better overall body of work than Jay Z. Simple and short

Adiwana:

5.Pac lived his rap,had more influence and that why he is being revered higher than BIG not volume.You are missing the key point which is INFLUENCE.No other artist was influential more than Pac.Hes lyrics were average at best,he's beat selections were good but not great,Biggie had better flow and rythm but Pac was a complete artist in every form.Many people can't even name Michael Jacksons albums apart from thriller despite having a large volume of work.BAD was the only better album he had after thriller,every other just had one or two classic songs and that was it..I might as well call him thrash cause his classics didn't match his volume of work and he had only one album that really stands out from the pack.Dude wasn't just an artist that puts out anything,but influenced and inspired the music he produced.Thats why many consider him the greatest artist of all time.Same with Pac.Pac's work were solid but nobody rates him higher because of how voluminous and solid his works were.He just had that energy more than ever other artist

How did Pac generate the influence if not volume? Do you know how many hits he had? How can you not see that part of 2Pac's aura was his work after he died?

I don't even understand your argument. How does it apply to Nas? Did he churn out hits like MJ?

I'm telling you that Jay Z ticks every box! Whether album oh whether it's hits oh. Nobody has as many #1 efforts. There is nothing on this list Nas has more than Jay Z so your Michael Jackson example is a bit confusing. I don't see why you are comparing Rap to Pop. Especially when creating classics is not exactly a Pop edict. There's a reason it's called Pop

Adiwana:

6.Am not going to talk about Lauryn because is not really the point of discussion but please don't mention her and Drake in the same sentence.Drake Versatile??lol

Drake is not my cup of tea but questioning his versatility is laughable. He's a talented cat

Adiwana:

7.Hes always been a poet and artists ought to evolve in their rap.Jay went from rapping About growing up as a drug dealer,bragging about fvcking Nas Baby momma in his car to rapping about his wife Beyonce forgiving him for cheating in The Carters album.lmao.Early 2000s he won't have dared putting out a music apologising to a woman or he wouldve seen hundreds of diss and sublims coming his way from Nas himself to Mobb deep to the entire East Coast.But now he can do it and nobody will care because of evolution of rap.As I already said,artist evolve and as a poet it's part of the story telling irrespective of whether his pops was a jazz artist or not

My point is Nas switched to that genre of rap because that was the fashionable style at the time. This goes against your originality claim. Like nigga you never sold aspirin how are you Escobar?

I don't quite get the correlation between Jay rapping based on real life events to someone switching his whole rap persona based on the fact that that rap style was what was hot at the time. Stop comparing two completely contrasting events

One evolved organically and with authenticity the other (Nas) didn't.

Diiike:
Please can someone recommend a good site to download albums and songs with cover art

Deezloader app

A40:

You're the one that brought Drake into the argument. Suggesting commercial appeal is the reason artistes choose to go into collaboration. I've showed you multiple instances where that is not the case. At least dropping Drake tells me you have realised the error in your argument


This is not a knock on Jay Z that Nas chooses to be a lyrical hermit. My point remains that in the past, present and even future Jay Z has commanded more guest appearances. Even among critically good rappers now, most would prefer a Jay Z verse on their track than a Nas verse. Jay Z ticks all the boxes without compromising the quality of the rap


Again this proves nothing aside Nas being a lyrical hermit. Jay Z on the other hand was able to leave his comfort zone as an MC and work with other rappers. It's why he could write a song like Still Dre and you would not believe ab initio because it sounds like what a West coast MC would conjure. I don't see why a rapper should get credit for refusing to work with his contemporaries especially when the person he is being compared with is doing it and doing it exceptionally



You are still dancing Zanku around the point. If you opt not to work with your contemporaries and you're in a dead heat with someone at your lyrical level that does and is still doing at a high level 2 decades later, then you can't tell me the latter rapper does not have an advantage


Lists would forever be subjective. Rolling Stones has Illmatic at 18th and Reasonable Doubt at 9th. We all have our defacto favorite albums but claiming Reasonable Doubt is not comparable to Illmatic is dangerously laughable


Which goes back to my argument. If Nas consistently refuses to honor guest invites and then another rapper does and shines at it you can't hold it against that rapper. And in the year of our Lord 2018 I'm pretty sure most rappers would prefer a Jay verse to a Nas verse which speaks to his relevance

As for the Harvard induction that is immaterial. 9th Wonder is one individual who borderline probably selected his favorite albums

https://country.iheart.com/content/2017-02-22-jay-z-becomes-first-rapper-inducted-into-the-songwriters-hall-of-fame/

This is Jay Z being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame. First rapper to ever achieve this feat. So bone that impact talk.



This is my point. You can't say you're greater than someone when the person has a better body of work than you do. Kamikaze was a rubbish album as well btw

My stance has always been consistent. Over the span of their rap careers whether Eminem or Nas there is no rapper out there that has a better overall body of work than Jay Z. Simple and short



How did Pac generate the influence if not volume? Do you know how many hits he had? How can you not see that part of 2Pac's aura was his work after he died?

I don't even understand your argument. How does it apply to Nas? Did he churn out hits like MJ?

I'm telling you that Jay Z ticks every box! Whether album oh whether it's hits oh. Nobody has as many #1 efforts. There is nothing on this list Nas has more than Jay Z so your Michael Jackson example is a bit confusing. I don't see why you are comparing Rap to Pop. Especially when creating classics is not exactly a Pop edict. There's a reason it's called Pop


Drake is not my cup of tea but questioning his versatility is laughable. He's a talented cat



My point is Nas switched to that genre of rap because that was the fashionable style at the time. This goes against your originality claim. Like nigga you never sold aspirin how are you Escobar?

I don't quite get the correlation between Jay rapping based on real life events to someone switching his whole rap persona based on the fact that that rap style was what was hot at the time. Stop comparing two completely contrasting events

One evolved organically and with authenticity the other (Nas) didn't.

I decided to drop the issue of Drake not because of any error on my part but because you thought me mentioning him was all about radio hits which wasn't what I initially said about him.Let me re explain

NO Mc from the 90s that is putting out a Rap album will chose a Drake Verse over a Kendrick verse.This is because Kendrick is an overall better rapper than Drake.NO rapper from this generation will chose a Kendrick verse over a Drake verse because Drake will bring in the buzz required for the song to go big.I never said rappers go for artists because of commercial success.This as I gave you are two different instances of what a collaboration is all about And not because of some respect



For Drake,He's good but just that.Am a big fan of his music but he doesnt just cut it out for me beyond those songs because at the end of the day,he will only be a legend known for charting billboards,selling records etc but Nothing more.Once he was exposed for being Ghost written by Queintein Miller and he didn't respond to that Pusha T diss, he lost every respect on the hiphop platform.Btw,The word Talent is been carelessly thrown out this days.He can't rap without having someone write his lines for him.Anyways,I could care less about him.


And I don't know how many times I will say this.Nas has never been the collaborative kind of artist.He himself has said it.He seldom does guest appearances and the ones he did was with mainly his close associates who I have already mentioned.That has never been his strong suit.He even denied Jay himself a guest apperance just to show you he doesn't see it as anything.Thats why I had to bring in an artist like MF Doom who can rap his ass off but just does his own thing with people he feels comfortable with and his fan Base doesn't mind because they are not expecting him to make a radio friendly song and "blow tomorrow".Judging how good or bad a rapper is by his number of collabs is too off for someone that claims he knows hiphop.J Cole Forest Hill Drive has 0 features and I love that album to bits and Kendrick is to me the only rapper above him in this generation.I can't use because he doesn't want anybody on his projects and say Kendrick is better than him.Neither will i say because he goes platinum with no features,he's better than Kendrick.Doesnt make any atom of sense.If Nas wanted to rap with his fellow Mcs or collab with any artist,best believe his feature list wouldve pilled up.From the OutKasts to the Snoops will have him on their albums


The first thing I said when I quoted you was that Hit wise,Better Albums,Overrall success he has been better.i have never denied that but in terms of the art of rapping,Nas has been better.Has the better classic of the two,has the better diss track,has influenced Jay's proteges more than jay himself and has Jay begging for a collaboration from him.Never forget this and that was why Jay was scrambling after Ether dropped.If Jay was a better rapper despite all his success prior to that,Jay should've won that beef.Ether is a household name in hiphop and Nas turned his own song into a household name with Renegade

Hiphop is not pop where there is "ABBA the greatest Hits" where the volume of work done determines how impactful an artist is.Nobody sits down and wants to listen to 2Pac's greatest hits.Biggie had what,half of Pac's discography and many will still place him over Pac.One album,one song is enough to grant you a seat among the gods of hiphop.Not how many artists you work with.Going platinum,winning grammys,being number one on the charts and having hits has never been a criteria in which how good an Mc is has being measured.They are just added bonuses.What makes you a good Mc is flows,rhythms,Lyrics,use of metaphors,poetry etc which Nas has always been better.Jay was a better rapper,he went toe to toe with Nas and he lost fair and square.


On the issue of MJ.Many consider him the greatest artist of all time because of mainly thriller and not because he's other albums were fantastic.As I said he had just one or two classic songs on each of his other subsequent albums and the rest of the album were just like everything you would hear from any pop artist.But nobody judges him off how may classic albums he had after thriller.Hes been judged on the basis of thriller. Same thing with Nas.Nobody judges him based on how many great albums or songs he had after Illmatic but Illmatic is the hallmark.

On the issue of Nas Escobar thing.He never switched his persona. It's like hearing Kendrick in 10yrs time and he's doing gangstar rap and you think wasnt he one of the brightest students in his classes?.Hows he talking about that gangster lifestyle when he never lived it.If you want to know about people talking about lifestyles they never lived,go listen to Dre.Dre raps about Weed,Has it on his two album covers but he doesn't smoke it.Ross talks about the gangstar lifestyle but he was a C.O.

Lastly Jay 20 years ago will never rap about begging a woman be it his wife or anything.Maybe his mother but any other person is a no no.Hes always portrayed himself as guy who has money and power,that can pull any woman he wants and will never settle to begging a woman when he can have the next woman etc.So him dedicating a whole album to Beyonce is not something one looks at and say Jay wouldve done this.But with age and evolution,things change.He will gradually stop rapping about money,wealth etc and start rapping about family.Thats maturity on his part.And you thinking because Nas had a jazz musician as a father prevents him from being a drug dealer is really laughable.He grew up in New york and has always been about whatever he raps.Hes a poet and why should he lie??To convince who??He didn't lie when he had the opportunity to wear that tough look and sell records,it's now he will suddenly switched up his style.Guy,you sef think am