LordReed:


I am not as dense as you to believe fairytales are real.

Do you listen to yourself? what is it abt this fairytale that keeps you on your toe? You jump from thread to thread bantering abt the nonexistent fairytale.

See, if you were my bros, you'd be admitted in a Psychiatric hospital. You seriously need help.

Fash20:

How did you come to that conclusion? Have you died before?

What do you want to believe sir Hell doesn't exist? Fine...suit yourself.
This line of arguement with reprobates only causes more strife. Die first,your doubts will be cleared.

sonmvayina:


Truth is that jesus is a roman invented idol... God NEVER said the messiah was coming to die for sins.. But to usher in peace.. God does not like human sacrifice and the solution to the problem of sin in the old testament is sincere repentance...

If you actually study the old testament you will find it there..
Read 2nd Chronicle 7:14

I think i have engaged you enough.

Let me tell you something...

Under the law,it is true God forgives sins when you genuinely ask for forgiveness but the sin nature still lives in you.
For all have sinned,and fallen short of the glory of God.

Jesus came to break that chain,that yoke,that bond through which the devil tied us down.

The prophet Isaiah,Jeremaiah,Ezekiel,Moses as powerful as they were,they also had that sin nature.

Jesus came and lifted that burden off our shoulders that's why every body who is fully repentant and born again has been given the gift of the holy spirit to sin no more.

Deckline:

What do you want to believe sir
Hell doesn't exist? Fine...suit yourself.

This line of arguement with reprobates only causes more strife.
Die first,your doubts will be cleared.

I don't know if hell exists or not...

That your last sentence is fallacious.

Anas09:

Do you listen to yourself? what is it abt this fairytale that keeps you on your toe? You jump from thread to thread bantering abt the nonexistent fairytale.

See, if you were my bros, you'd be admitted in a Psychiatric hospital. You seriously need help.

I will go after they admit you in a strait jacket.

Originakalokalo:


You guys use the word smart, intelligent, thinking, logic, etc.

God's salvation of man is unknown only to those whose eyes of Understading have been opened.

You guys think you know.

You know nothing.

And you know fairytale. Difference between me and you is I admit I know nothing but you think a fairytale is real.

This is a Simple way of thinking to those who do not see Jesus sacrifice on the cross as being ordained by God...

1. Yahweh did not just ask Israel to simply ask for forgiveness of their sins.... He required blood for atonement.

This atonement is done by a priest who takes the blood to the holy of holies.

2. If all the world are supposed to serve the same Yahweh, just "asking" for forgiveness will not cut it.

3. We all would have been going to Jerusalem every year for the priestly sacrifice..and also for sacrifice on daily basis as we sin....

God was particularly about who does the sacrifice, where it is done and in what way...

It is not something that can be done anywhere by anyone or anyhow.

4. The blood of animal is not sufficient for the remission of the sin of man..

Animal's blood for Man's sin.....
Man's blood for Man's sin...

If you do a deep study about the sacrifice process.. How the lamb is killed, etc, it points exactly at what Jesus did on the cross....

I will do a thread on that shortly.

5. The issue of protection in the land of Egypt.... God asked the children of Israel to put a blood of a blameless animal on the door post of their door...

Can't the angel of destruction identify the children of Israel?

No.
It is Yahweh's way...

You can see that you don't just *ask for forgiveness *

Therefore, a singular, central and effective means of atonement is needed for the universal church.

I hope sonmvayina is reading this?

Originakalokalo:


It is a serious heresy to call Jesus an angel...

Whoever said that should go and start reading the Bible from the book of Genesis again.

From GENESIS!
Well it's like at Genesis 1:26 God Almighty was talking to someone.
Joshua 5:14 calls an ANGEL "the CAPTAIN of the host of the Lord" or PRINCE of God's army.
And Proverbs 8:22-31 said someone was created,produced or possessed and started working with God from the beginning.
Psalms 110:1 "The LORD said to my Lord"
Daniel 12:1 "Michael is the one standing for God's people" and Isaiah 11:10 "The root of Jesse stands for God's people"
John 1:1 "The WORD was with God in the beginning" and "was God" KJV "godlike" DV "was a god" NWT
Well there is no other name given to heavenly creatures apart from ANGELS so if anything is WITH GOD it must be one of the angels, of course it could be the first Angel to be created but God Almighty is One and HE never a POSSESSION of any other BEING! HE is the one possessing everything!
It's appropriate to say any other heavenly being must be ANGELS including Jesus who said He came from heaven. John 8:23
God bless you!

Fash20:

I don't know if hell exists or not...
That your last sentence is fallacious.

Oh...okay.

sonmvayina:


Truth is that jesus is a roman invented idol... God NEVER said the messiah was coming to die for sins.. But to usher in peace.. God does not like human sacrifice and the solution to the problem of sin in the old testament is sincere repentance...

If you actually study the old testament you will find it there..
Read 2nd Chronicle 7:14

This is a Simple way of thinking to those who do not see Jesus sacrifice on the cross as being ordained by God...

1. Yahweh did not just ask Israel to simply ask for forgiveness of their sins.... He required blood for atonement.

This atonement is done by a priest who takes the blood to the holy of holies.

2. If all the world are supposed to serve the same Yahweh, just "asking" for forgiveness will not cut it.

3. We all would have been going to Jerusalem every year for the priestly sacrifice..and also for sacrifice on daily basis as we sin....

God was particularly about who does the sacrifice, where it is done and in what way...

It is not something that can be done anywhere by anyone or anyhow.

4. The blood of animal is not sufficient for the remission of the sin of man..

Animal's blood for Man's sin.....
Man's blood for Man's sin...

If you do a deep study about the sacrifice process.. How the lamb is killed, etc, it points exactly at what Jesus did on the cross....

I will do a thread on that shortly.

5. The issue of protection in the land of Egypt.... God asked the children of Israel to put a blood of a blameless animal on the door post of their door...

Can't the angel of destruction identify the children of Israel?

No.
It is Yahweh's way...

You can see that you don't just *ask for forgiveness *

Therefore, a singular, central and effective means of atonement is needed for the universal church.

I hope sonmvayina is reading this?

Originakalokalo:


This is a Simple way of thinking to those who do not see Jesus sacrifice on the cross as being ordained by God...

1. Yahweh did not just ask Israel to simply ask for forgiveness of their sins.... He required blood for atonement.

This atonement is done by a priest who takes the blood to the holy of holies.

2. If all the world are supposed to serve the same Yahweh, just "asking" for forgiveness will not cut it.

3. We all would have been going to Jerusalem every year for the priestly sacrifice..and also for sacrifice on daily basis as we sin....

God was particularly about who does the sacrifice, where it is done and in what way...

It is not something that can be done anywhere by anyone or anyhow.

4. The blood of animal is not sufficient for the remission of the sin of man..

Animal's blood for Man's sin.....
Man's blood for Man's sin...

If you do a deep study about the sacrifice process.. How the lamb is killed, etc, it points exactly at what Jesus did on the cross....

I will do a thread on that shortly.

5. The issue of protection in the land of Egypt.... God asked the children of Israel to put a blood of a blameless animal on the door post of their door...

Can't the angel of destruction identify the children of Israel?

No.
It is Yahweh's way...

You can see that you don't just *ask for forgiveness *

Therefore, a singular, central and effective means of atonement is needed for the universal church.

I hope sonmvayina is reading this?

Your god requires human blood to be spilled for appeasement and somehow you think your god is superior to others? LoL

TATIME:

From GENESIS!
Well it's like at Genesis 1:26 God Almighty was talking to someone.
Joshua 5:14 calls an ANGEL "the CAPTAIN of the host of the Lord" or PRINCE of God's army.
And Proverbs 8:22-31 said someone was created,produced or possessed and started working with God from the beginning.
Psalms 110:1 "The LORD said to my Lord"
Daniel 12:1 "Michael is the one standing for God's people" and Isaiah 11:10 "The root of Jesse stands for God's people"
John 1:1 "The WORD was with God in the beginning" and "was God" KJV "godlike" DV "was a god" NWT
Well there is no other name given to heavenly creatures apart from ANGELS so if anything is WITH GOD it must be one of the angels, of course it could be the first Angel to be created but God Almighty is One and HE never a POSSESSION of any other BEING! HE is the one possessing everything!
It's appropriate to say any other heavenly being must be ANGELS including Jesus who said He came from heaven. John 8:23
God bless you!

Jesus is not an angel....

" And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
(John 17: 5)

No angel can say this.

The world was made by the word of God...

The word of God dwells among us according to John..

The word became flesh......

He is not an angel....

The captain of the of the Lord is Angel Michael...

Persia had a prince.... A demon

Israel had a prince that looks out for their affairs... That's angel Michael....

Angel Michael is not Jesus...

Man is baptized in the name of the father and the son and the Holy Spirit...

The father is God... The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God... There is no way the son will be an angel.

The son is a part of God...

LordReed:


Your god requires human blood to be spilled for appeasement and somehow you think your god is superior to others? LoL

That reply addressed the issue of *just asking for forgiveness * without the blood.

Any God that created both the heavens and the Earth is the almighty and he alone is God.

Any other god that comes after the earth has been created can be a god.... definitely not superior...where were the gods before the world was formed?

God almighty is the only God

Baal could not respond at the challenge with Elijah.

That does not mean that Baal was not real... A nation will be so stupid to adopt a god who does nothing.

But whenever God is involved, they cannot stand.

Amadioha, sango, oya, etc are gods...

They keep silent whenever the almighty is involved.

Egypt had their gods....

But the almighty God disgraced them all with all those strategic miracles.

God almighty sets the rules that work in the physical.

He sets the rule for the spiritual beings too.


A true child of God has the power of the most high in him.... Even though he looks ordinary.

Originakalokalo:


That reply addressed the issue of *just asking for forgiveness * without the blood.

Any God that created both the heavens and the Earth is the almighty and he alone is God.

Any other god that comes after the earth has been created can be a god.... definitely not superior.

God almighty is the only God

Baal could not respond at the challenge with Elijah.

That does not mean that Baal was not real... A nation will be so stupid to adopt a god who does nothing.

But whenever God is involved, then cannot stand.

Amadioha, sango, oya, etc are gods...

They keep silent whenever the almighty is involved.

Egypt had their gods....

But the almighty God disgraced them all with all those strategic miracles.

God almighty sets the rules that work in the physical.

He sets the rule for the spiritual beings too.


A true child of God has the power of the most high in him.... Even though he looks ordinary.

Such extraordinarily dumb things you believe.

LordReed:


Such extraordinarily dumb things you believe.

Yeah.

Live your life the way you want....besides there is no God...

You are free.

The only thing is this.... your disbelief about God does not make his existence false...

you simply do not believe....it has nothing to do with his existence.

So, your supposed freedom to do whatever you want may still land you in trouble...

Originakalokalo:


Yeah.

Live your life the way you want....besides there is no God...

You are free.

The only thing is this.... your disbelief about God does not make his existence false...

you simply do not believe....it has nothing to do with his existence.

So, your supposed freedom to do whatever you want may still land you in trouble...

If a god exists why is the evidence so lacking? Why is faith necessary when you don't need it for anything essential to life?

LordReed:


If a god exists why is the evidence so lacking? Why is faith necessary when you don't need it for anything essential to life?

Air is not seen. Yet it is essential.

We only see its works.

God is not seen. I only see his works.

The more I go closer to him, the more I see his works

He said.... Draw closer to me and I will reveal myself to you.

Originakalokalo:


Air is not seen. Yet it is essential.

We only see its works.

God is not seen. I only see his works.

The more I go closer to him, the more I see his works

He said.... Draw closer to me and I will reveal myself to you.

So you have faith air exists?

LordReed:


I will go after they admit you in a strait jacket.

I have been walking on a straight since i met Jesus. You on the other hand cannot make up your mind whether or not Jesus exists, or He is indifferent abt the plight of humans or He is wicked or weak.


Make up your mind and walk a straight line or you get your strong behind admitted at YabaLeft.

Anas09:

I have been walking on a straight since i met Jesus. You on the other hand cannot make up your mind whether or not Jesus exists, or He is indifferent abt the plight of humans or He is wicked or weak.


Make up your mind and walk a straight line or you get your strong behind admitted at YabaLeft.

Lemme call Harry Potter fans for you so that you can have good company.

Originakalokalo:


Jesus is not an angel....

" And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
(John 17: 5)

No angel can say this.

The world was made by the word of God...

The word of God dwells among us according to John..

The word became flesh......

He is not an angel....

The captain of the of the Lord is Angel Michael...

Persia had a prince.... A demon

Israel had a prince that looks out for their affairs... That's angel Michael....

Angel Michael is not Jesus...

Man is baptized in the name of the father and the son and the Holy Spirit...

The father is God... The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God... There is no way the son will be an angel.

The son is a part of God...

The Prince of Persia is a Demon!
Well you've tried my friend but for brighter understanding of the scriptures, by the time Daniel was writing that book, Persia was ruling the whole earth just like America is doing today. So the Prince of Persia is not just an ordinary demon but Satan himself who was also one of the top generals in heaven before his fall.
Satan began ruling humans immediately they were driven out of Eden and he is responsible for all those atrocities committed in the name of rulership! 1Samuel 8:11-18
That's why Samuel objected when Israelites demanded for a VISIBLE human ruler. 1Samuel 8:7
The Almighty God supposed to be the overall ruler of the earth, so anyone ruling in HIS stead is considered a Prince.
Satan Ruling the earth is not doing so for God's glory(Luke 4:5-7)that's why Jesus called him the ruler of the world but having NO hold on JESUS! John 14:30,1John 5:19
Jesus is the Prince of God's organization "those who are still remaining loyal to the Almighty God" (Isaiah 9:6) that's why Michael (Jesus) is the only Angel that can conquer Satan always. Jude 9 compared to Daniel 10:13, Luke 4:13
Michael is the archangel (The only angel that was created directly by God) so of all the commanders(Princes) in heaven He is number one! READ Joshua 5:14
God bless you!

Anas09:


Did you not understand that he was referring to the different denominational functions in the Church? Jesus is the head that holds the Church together, but different denominations are his body organs. Which studies and research have you been doing frosbel?

Precisely the point, different denominations of the same so called BODY OF CHRIST that are in direct contradiction to one another with each condemning the other to hell fire. You disagree on the most basic of doctrines, constantly fighting against each other; some of your denominations reject the trinity, others accept it ; some of your members of the BODY OF CHRIST (lol) worship on the sabbath and call those that don't children of the devil; some pray in tongues and others think it is demonic;yet others believe salvation is by faith alone while some believe it by faith with works.

This is not UNITY, this is confusion of BABEL proportions and you know that God is not an author of confusion right ?

Keep deceiving yourself with this nonsense

And you were a Christian for 30yrs. Yeah right. Keep telling yourself that.

Not 30 years but 20 years - point of correction

Anas09:

Frosbel, i asked you certain question, mesmerize me by providing answers to them.

Don't tell me you were a lair for 30yrs. How could you possibly sustain such lies?

Come on frosbel, let's hear your Christian experience. Like i said, i have largely ignored you here, you open your little mouth and throw stupid around hoping you are too heavy for someone to lift.

Now let's get to know abt your 30yrs Christian journey. How did it begin?
Add these to the previous questions. How did you know Jesus was the Lord when you first encountered him 30yrs ago. What was the encounter?
And, how did you know he was not what you believed he was.

Religious folk always say that people who leave their mythical faith were not really part of it to begin with . This is funny. What do you think a person was doing for 20 years in a religion ? Counting marbles ?

Keep deluding yourself.

@originakalokalo
For more information about the Prince of Persia.
Consider all the world powers in the Past.
*Egypt
*Assyria (Southern Iran)
*Babylon (Iraq)
*Medes and Persians (Orientals with northern Iran)
*Greece
*Rome
*England
*America
All these ruled with worthless constitutions permitting promiscuity to the extreme! They promote and eulogies SEXUAL immortality as another god.
Satan was and still is in control of all these worldly authorities, he as a general in heaven was able to pull one third of the angels in heaven to join in his rebellion against the Almighty! Revelations 12:4
Jesus is Michael the general who remained loyal always so God gave Him another name that's above all other names when He returned to heaven after His earthly assignment! But He is still SUBJECTED to the Almighty God who raised Him that high. 1Corinthians 15:27,28
So all the angels in heaven are God's sons (Genesis 6:1,2,Job 1:6) not only Jesus, but Jesus(Michael) is the first and He worked alongside His father in the creation of all other things including other angels! Proverbs 8:22-31 Colossians 1:15,16
Now this may be surprising, how one creature can participate in creating another.
But consider Adam, he also was God's first human son! (Luke 3:38) Had it been that Adam didn't eat of the forbidden fruit, he will have been alive till today, and all humans will know him as our Procreator(through whom all of us came to exist)
That's exactly how Michael (Jesus) was in heaven before coming to the earth! He himself said of all that God created through Him,humans are the creatures that interests Jesus most(Proverbs 8:30,31) perhaps that's why He volunteered himself as that worthy sacrifice to save (the creatures He love most from death) Daniel 12:1! God bless you

TATIME:
The Prince of Persia is a Demon!
Well you've tried my friend but for brighter understanding of the scriptures, by the time Daniel was writing that book, Persia was ruling the whole earth just like America is doing today. So the Prince of Persia is not just an ordinary demon but Satan himself who was also one of the top generals in heaven before his fall.
Satan began ruling humans immediately they were driven out of Eden and he is responsible for all those atrocities committed in the name of rulership! 1Samuel 8:11-18
That's why Samuel objected when Israelites demanded for a VISIBLE human ruler. 1Samuel 8:7
The Almighty God supposed to be the overall ruler of the earth, so anyone ruling in HIS stead is considered a Prince.
Satan Ruling the earth is not doing so for God's glory(Luke 4:5-7)that's why Jesus called him the ruler of the world but having NO hold on JESUS! John 14:30,1John 5:19
Jesus is the Prince of God's organization "those who are still remaining loyal to the Almighty God" (Isaiah 9:6) that's why Michael (Jesus) is the only Angel that can conquer Satan always. Jude 9 compared to Daniel 10:13, Luke 4:13
Michael is the archangel (The only angel that was created directly by God) so of all the commanders(Princes) in heaven He is number one! READ Joshua 5:14
God bless you!

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The prince of Persia is a high ranking demon.... It is not the devil...

Michael does not fight the devil.... He simply says.... The Lord rebuke you....

So, the demon that Michael fought with was a demon...

Michael is not the only archangel. Gabriel is an arch angel and the devil was an arch angel.

I can see that you are quoting outside the Bible...

The Bible did not tell us that archangels were created specially by God....
We are told that God created the angels generally. ..

Jesus is not an angel....

Gabriel said... "The power of the most high shall overshadow you and the Holy Spirit shall come upon you....

Jesus said...

Just as the father has life... So does the son gives life.

I and my Father are one.... No angel can say that.

Before Abraham I am. No angel can say that...

I am the alpha and omega the first and the last... No angel can say that..

Unto us a child is born... He shall be called everlasting father.. No angel can take this titles... Mighty God... An angel cannot take this titles...

Stop reading those books.....

They contain fallacies.

LordReed:


So you have faith air exists?

Air could be a spirit or anything.. .we don't see it... We are told it is called air..... .and we take it that it is called air

I don't see it.

I only see the effect.

LordReed:


And you know fairytale. Difference between me and you is I admit I know nothing but you think a fairytale is real.

If you ADMITTED OF KNOWING NOTHING then how do you know something is a fairytale?

You shouldn't have known that....


Can you see your height of intelligence now?

frosbel2:


Religious folk always say that people who leave their mythical faith were not really part of it to begin with . This is funny. What do you think a person was doing for 20 years in a religion ? Counting marbles ?

Keep deluding yourself.

Frosbel, are you evading my questions?

frosbel2:


Precisely the point, different denominations of the same so called BODY OF CHRIST that are in direct contradiction to one another with each condemning the other to hell fire. You disagree on the most basic of doctrines, constantly fighting against each other; some of your denominations reject the trinity, others accept it ; some of your members of the BODY OF CHRIST (lol) worship on the sabbath and call those that don't children of the devil; some pray in tongues and others think it is demonic;yet others believe salvation is by faith alone while some believe it by faith with works.

This is not UNITY, this is confusion of BABEL proportions and you know that God is not an author of confusion right ?

Keep deceiving yourself with this nonsense



Not 30 years but 20 years - point of correction

So, now its disunity. So if Siblings fight and are disunited, it makes them no more Children of the same parents? You are slow frosbel.

So the hand must do what the legs does, and the teeth must do what the eyes do before you'd regard them as organs of the same body?

LordReed:


Lemme call Harry Potter fans for you so that you can have good company.

This is why i'd send you to YabaLeft confidently. Why aren't running around haggling Harry Potter's as you do Jesus'?

Demons are so jealous of Jesus.

Originakalokalo:


Air could be a spirit or anything.. .we don't see it... We are told it is called air..... .and we take it that it is called air

I don't see it.

I only see the effect.

The question was do you have faith air exists?

Emusan:


If you ADMITTED OF KNOWING NOTHING then how do you know something is a fairytale?

You shouldn't have known that....


Can you see your height of intelligence now?

Don't be daft, its a figure of speech you dolt.