raumdeuter:


Can we expand this thoughts and say Bundesliga where the bottom teams have a stadium capacity of 40k, is better than England?

From data we can see that despite the low income of La Liga teams, they have a superior scouting system and player development which makes them able to get superior talents while EPL overpay for mediocre talents


Atletico pays less than Tottenham in wage bill yet they regularly achieved more than every EPL team in Europe in the past 5 yrs. Juventus also have a lower wage bill than Arsenal yet they do better than all EPL teams. Same with Sevilla whose wage bill is way less than Everton, WestHam even some division2 sides

Wage bill of EPL teams just show they overpay for mediocre talents. Mesi reportedly makes 600K a week, just 100k more than Alexis Sanchez.

Look through the bottom half of LaLiga teams and you will see players who have been cast out of even the lowest EPL teams, some can't even make Championship sides eg Christian Stuani, Omeruo, Ivan Ramis, Kike, Allan Nyom, Borja Baston, Gael Kakuta, Jordi Amat, Flamini, Nabil El Zhar, Marc Muniesa. Seydou Doumbia

A lot of these are players who not only got relegated from EPL, most of them got to Championship and couldn't get starting shirt in Championship and had to scurry to LaLiga.

Most of Amat, Nyom, Muniesa, Stuani, Ramis, Kike, Baston were all bench riders who got relegated and still could not pick shirt in Championship or were unwanted by their clubs in Championship.

Doumbia, Flamini etc were glued hopelessly to the bench in EPL relegation candidates

Others who have had more than one failed loan to Championship teams like Omeruo are gladly earning living there.

This should tell you the standard of the bottom half of LaLiga, when failed Championship players are playing there.

airmark:


Olodo, you just use english words recklessly. Explain what 'regularly' was doing in that your stupid line? Olodo

That is why you are a retard a morron. An illiterate

This is UEFA ranking of Atletico of the past 5yrs cumulatively find any EPL club close to them

Ibime:
Look through the bottom half of LaLiga teams and you will see players who have been cast out of even the lowest EPL teams, some can't even make Championship sides eg Christian Stuani, Omeruo, Ivan Ramis, Kike, Allan Nyom, Borja Baston, Gael Kakuta, Jordi Amat, Flamini, Nabil El Zhar, Marc Muniesa. Seydou Doumbia

These are players who not only got relegated from EPL, most of them got to Championship and couldn't get starting shirt in Championship and had to scurry to LaLiga.

Most of Amat, Nyom, Muniesa, Stuani, Ramis, Kike, Baston were all bench riders who all got relegated and still could not pick shirt in Championship or were unwanted by their clubs in Championship.

Doumbia, Flamini etc were glued hopelessly to the bench in EPL relegation candidates

Others who have had more than one failed loan to Championship teams like Omeruo are gladly earning living there.

This should tell you the standard of the bottom half of LaLiga, when failed Championship players are playing there.

The top end of La Liga are better than top end of EPL as evidenced by CL performances
The mid table in la Liga are better than mid table in EPL as evidenced by Europa performances
I can wager that if there was a competition for bottom teams La Liga will still dominate

All these players you are counting makes no difference. Atletico Madrid made 2 CL finals with players like Felipe Luis who you will tell us couldnt make it in EPL
The same Nzonzi struggling at Stoke was the same one used by Sevilla to molest Liverpool and win Europa
Juventus is making CL finals with Cuadrado who didnt make it in Chelsea

It only shows that coaches in Spain and elsewhere are able to get the best out of players which EPL coaches cannot. While playing a little wage as opposed to EPL armed robber wages.

Who else will be paying a 30yr old Alexis 500K if not an EPL team, Just like Ozil is cleaning 350K for doing less than what Saul Niguez will do

raumdeuter:

I can wager that if there was a competition for bottom teams La Liga will still dominate

Not with failed Championship players running bottom half of LaLiga.

What you have in LaLiga is teams down to Sevilla and Espanyol level seriously financially bullying the bottom half for any available talents, leaving the bottom half with no-hopers as players. Anybody with talent that can't at least make Espanyol or Celta level will then move abroad, or be forced to accept £2k wages that may not even be paid on time. There is a big disparity from those Espanyol to the bottom half teams.

Watford even used to use Granada as feeder team. Can you imagine a whole LaLiga club being used as feeder team to bottom half EPL team. That means Watford nohopers who are taking several seats behind Watford 12 substitutes were starting in LaLiga.

Ibime:


Not with failed Championship players running bottom half of LaLiga.

Watford even used to use Granada as feeder team. Can you imagine a whole LaLiga club being used as feeder team to bottom half EPL team. That means Watford nohopers who are taking several seats behind Watford 12 substitutes were starting in LaLiga.

Are these not the so called failed players at Sevilla bitchslapping every EPL team in Europa?
Is it not Nzonzi, Jesus Navas, Stehan Mbia, Reyes, Alberto Moreno That Sevilla is using to molest EPL teams and win Europa?

It shows the quality of tactics and coaching they get in La Liga is superior in Spain which is why supposed players who cant make it in EPL are the ones ruling Europe from Sevlla molesting EPL teams in the process

No be Felipe Luis and Savic Atletico dey use make CL finals while the EPL teams who chased them out routinely fail

raumdeuter:


That is why you are a retard a morron. An illiterate

This is UEFA ranking of Atletico of the past 5yrs cumulatively find any EPL club close to them

If they ask you who did better in europe last season between Liverpool and Atm, you will direct them to cummulative ranking.

Yuropa league must be weighty now to dwarf Liverpool's ucl final appearance. Mumu

raumdeuter:


Are these not the so called failed players at Sevilla bitchslapping every EPL team in Europa?
Is it not Nzonzi, Jesus Navas, Stehan Mbia, Reyes, Alberto Moreno That Sevilla is using to molest EPL teams and win Europa?

None of the above are failed EPL players except maybe Mbia who got relegated but was a starting player. Nzonzi was sure EPL starting player, Navas and co were squad players for top 4 clubs.

Ibime:


None of the above are failed EPL players except maybe Mbia who got relegated but was a starting player. Nzonzi was sure EPL starting player, Navas and co were squad players for top 4 clubs.

Yet these EPL benchwarmers got to Sevilla, in a better tactical arrangement were winning Europa for fun

Just like Felipe Luis was making CL finals while not able to make it in EPL

airmark:


If they ask you who did better in europe last season between Liverpool and Atm, you will direct them to cummulative ranking.

Yuropa league must be weighty now to dwarf Liverpool's ucl final appearance. Mumu

In the past 5 seasons Atletico have made 2 CL finals, won 1 Europa cup made the CL quarters 2 other times

Show me any EPL team who can point to these same achievments in the past 5yrs

Una no dey sleep?

raumdeuter:

It shows the quality of tactics and coaching they get in La Liga is superior in Spain which is why supposed

Yes, there is waste in EPL but pointing to waste alone will not absolve them Girona, Eibar, Valladolid and the rest. EPL.team can waste £50m and still afford under-23 team of better quality than those bottom half LaLiga teams.

Are EPL teams not coached by some of the best coaching minds from Spain, Germany and Italy? How many English managers coach in EPL?

Ibime:


Yes, there is waste in EPL but pointing to waste alone will not absolve them Girona, Eibar, Valladolid and the rest. EPL.team can waste £50m and still afford under-23 team of better quality than those bottom half LaLiga teams.

Are EPL teams not coached by some of the best coaching minds from Spain, Germany and Italy? How many English managers coach in EPL?

If you like have 5teams of stars including U23team, only 11 maximum 14 will play a game, If Sevilla first 11 can decimate Liverpool or Bilbao can flog Man Utd home and away then whats the point of having 7teams earning better. It only shows one can utilize resources better and the other wastes it

English managers are probably the worst in Europe so means nothing if you have a team of Messi and Ronaldo if their coach is Redknapp or Allardyce

The waste in EPL is why Sevilla can be beating them for fun. Even clubs like Bilbao can make Europa final bitchslapping Man Utd on the way to the final despite the whole Bilbao being on the salary of Rooney alone

Sevillas record transfer was 20M for Muriel when they sent Man Utd out of CL last season while only a few of the entire Man utd 11 were signed for 20M or less

raumdeuter:

If you like have 5teams of stars including U23team, only 11 maximum 14 will play a game, If Sevilla first 11 can decimate Liverpool or Bilbao can flog Man Utd home and away then whats the point of having 7teams earning better. It only shows one can utilize resources better and the other wastes it

English managers are probably the worst in Europe so means nothing if you have a team of Messi and Ronaldo if their coach if Redknapp or Allardyce

The waste in EPL is why Sevilla can be beating them for fun. Even clubs like Bilbao can make Europa final bitchslapping Man Utd on the way to the final despite the whole Bilbao being on the salary of Rooney alone

Sevillas record transfer was 20M for Muriel when they sent Man Utd out of CL last season while only a few of the entire Man utd 11 were signed for 20M or less

You keep.mentioning Sevilla, Sevilla, Sevilla.

Sevilla who you always trump as evidence of LaLiga "mid-level" dominance are in the top 4 or top 6 teams in Spain.

They are supposed to be mates with Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd. Instead, they will get dumped out of UCL, go to Europa league and start making noise like they are mid-level team proving LaLigas strength in depth, not knowing they are a top LaLiga team supposed to be compared to present day Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd etc.

Look how Chelsea and Utd cakewalked Europa League when they went there recently, yet you won't let us hear word about Sevilla.

After Real, Barca and Atleti in modern day Spain, is it not Sevilla that come next? Instead of going to play with their mates, they will be making noise in Junior league like some Nigeria Under-17 team full of grown men.

raumdeuter:


In the past 5 seasons Atletico have made 2 CL finals, won 1 Europa cup made the CL quarters 2 other times

Show me any EPL team who can point to these same achievments in the past 5yrs

Show me any laliga team apart from Barcelona and Real madrid, that had won ucl since inception?

Ibime:


You keep.mentioning Sevilla, Sevilla, Sevilla.

Sevilla who you always tump as evidence of LaLiga "mid-level" dominance are in the top 4 or top 6 teams in Spain.

They are supposed to be mates with Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd. Instead, they will get dumped out of UCL, go to Europa league and start making noise like they are mid-level team proving LaLigas strength in depth, not knowing they are a top LaLiga team supposed to be compared to present day Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd etc.

Look how Chelsea and Utd cakewalked Europa League when they went there recently, yet you won't let us hear word about Sevilla.

After Real, Barca and Atleti in modern day Spain, is it not Sevilla that come next? Instead of going to play with their mates, they will be making noise in Junior league like some Nigeria Under-17 team full of grown men.

PlainJAY:

Using coefficient ?

Maybe EPL teams no longer care about coefficient like our German brothers



Which match would you rather watch Southampton Vs westham or Girona Vs leganes?

Girona vs Leganes.... The technical level of Spanish football is generally superior to English football

Ibime:


You keep.mentioning Sevilla, Sevilla, Sevilla.

Sevilla who you always tump as evidence of LaLiga "mid-level" dominance are in the top 4 or top 6 teams in Spain.

They are supposed to be mates with Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd. Instead, they will get dumped out of UCL, go to Europa league and start making noise like they are mid-level team proving LaLigas strength in depth, not knowing they are a top LaLiga team supposed to be compared to present day Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd etc.

Look how Chelsea and Utd cakewalked Europa League when they went there recently, yet you won't let us hear word about Sevilla.

After Real, Barca and Atleti in modern day Spain, is it not Sevilla that come next? Instead of going to play with their mates, they will be making noise in Junior league like some Nigeria Under-17 team full of grown men.

Actually if you look at Sevillas league position average in the past 5yrs you will see Sevilla are ranging from 4th to 7th. The same type of league position of Arsenal Spurs Everton Southampton Burnley

Yet they have been more successful than them.

Chelsea and United are CL level teams like Barca Madrid. Nothing special just the same way Atletico cakewalked the Europa when they went there in 2013 and 2018

Sevilla is the mates of Spurs Everton. Last year Sevilla made the CL quarters dispatching Man Utd on the way when has any of Spurs or Everton made the CL quarters

Teams like Bilbao make Europa finals, Celta Vigo made Europa Semi, Vllareal made Europa semi. All in recent years where are the Europa equivalent of EPL like Everton like Burnley, Southampton West ham?

Failed as usual

Teams on the budget of Huddersfield outperforming all the Everton Southampton WestHam Burnley and co.

Burnley couldnt even make it through Europa playoffs this year

Sevilla was strugglign midtable last year and dumped out Man Utd in 2nd in EPL

airmark:


Show me any laliga team apart from Barcelona and Real madrid, that had won ucl since inception?

But Madrid's tally alone is equal to d combined UCLs the entire EPL has won

randomperson:


But Madrid's tally alone is equal to d combined UCLs the entire EPL has won

Are you raumdeuter in disguise?

airmark:

Are you raumdeuter in disguise?

. Person go ask you question na, you go disappear like fart...

randomperson:

Person go ask you question na, you go disappear like fart...

Not his fault, Low IQ things

randomperson:

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Person go ask you question na, you go disappear like fart...

More reason i'm suspecting the man behind this moniker. Raumdeuter also has memory issues.

I posted this to you earlier, you're forgetful.

airmark:


So why did you jump foolishly to counter my post below?


I need to start avoiding your posts like a plague.

airmark:


More reason i'm suspecting the man behind this moniker. Raumdeuter also has memory issues.

I posted this to you earlier, you're forgetful.

Abegii, park well...

If you want to copout, do it with dignity, not stylishly

raumdeuter:

Now whats your theory?

Your question below made it seem like sou Vs wham was a match with lower attendance.

raumdeuter:

WHy will anyone want to watch Southampton vs West Ham?

Those screenshots were to prove you wrong by telling you which match had higher attendance...Although I made a mistake by not checking Stadium capacity.

randomperson:


Girona vs Leganes.... The technical level of Spanish football is generally superior to English football

Technicality over goals??

Well, It's your personal preference but I know you're being biased.

Quick maths.

Southampton's Stadium capacity = 32,505
Southampton vs West Ham attendance = 31,654
Empty seats = 851

Girona's Stadium capacity = 13,500
Girona v leganes attendance = 9,715
Empty seats = 3,785

Cc raumdeuter

PlainJAY:
Quick maths.

Southampton's Stadium capacity = 32,505
Southampton vs West Ham attendance = 31,654
Empty seats = 851

Girona's Stadium capacity = 13,500
Girona v leganes attendance = 9,715
Empty seats = 3,785

Cc raumdeuter

Two plus two is four, minus one that's three

raumdeuter:


Are these not the so called failed players at Sevilla bitchslapping every EPL team in Europa?
Is it not Nzonzi, Jesus Navas, Stehan Mbia, Reyes, Alberto Moreno That Sevilla is using to molest EPL teams and win Europa?

It shows the quality of tactics and coaching they get in La Liga is superior in Spain which is why supposed players who cant make it in EPL are the ones ruling Europe from Sevlla molesting EPL teams in the process

No be Felipe Luis and Savic Atletico dey use make CL finals while the EPL teams who chased them out routinely fail

Moreno plays for both Liverpool and Sevilla?

raumdeuter:


You say Salah is playing as a striker now, where is Hazard playing ?

this is your way. Tomorrow now you will start telling your students that sarri played hazard as a striker in his days as chelsea coach. The mumu students that know nothing will start echoing it around without confirming.

patrickmuf:
I swear you dey craze...lol

PlainJAY:

Technicality over goals??
Well, It's your personal preference but I know you're being biased.

They don't score goals in LA liga, abi?

PlainJAY:
Quick maths.

Southampton's Stadium capacity = 32,505
Southampton vs West Ham attendance = 31,654
Empty seats = 851

Girona's Stadium capacity = 13,500
Girona v leganes attendance = 9,715
Empty seats = 3,785

Cc raumdeuter

Is it empty seats we are talking about now?

So your strategy is since you obviously can't disprove the fact LA liga has more quality, we would start talking about empty seats