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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by djon78(m): 9:36pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
5thElement: Falsehood Believe on the Lord Jesus and though shall be saved What is redemption You redeem something by paying a price Jesus got eternal redemption with his blood 1/Peter 1 said that we have been redeemed not with corruptible things as silver and gold but by the precious blood of Jesus All you wrote up there are falsehood, deception lies and of the devil. 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Abcruz(m): 9:37pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
OBAGADAFFI: guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,--1 Timothy 6:20 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 9:40pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Word and opposite Doubt - Faith When you doubt that God exists, what do you call that? Exactly. Lack of faith. That man's holiness is like worthless rags before the All-Holy God doesn't mean we should stop trying to be holy. You guys just keep contradicting Jesus Christ. What did He mean when he said " Be perfect/holy just as your heavenly Father is perfect/holy"? You think sinners will get to heaven? Lol. If everybody held this kind of belief you are spouting here, how do you think the world will look like even if we all are Christians? Imagine everybody in the world has accepted Jesus and believe in him, and all are assured of heaven no matter the crimes and sins we commit. Lol. This world will be like hell. If I am assured of heaven why shouldn't I be out there right now bleeping some hoe? Huh? 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by OBAGADAFFI: 9:42pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: John 8:11 (KJV) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Jesus commanded her not to continue in her sin. Repentance means turning around from the old part. Discipline is required to be a sound Christmas The Grace of God Is always available is you want to be discipline. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 9:44pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
djon78: Lol. James 2: 14-26 Faith without good works is dead. Faith Without Works Is Dead 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. END OF STORY. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 9:44pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: James 2: 14-26 Faith without good works is dead. Faith Without Works Is Dead 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. END OF DISCUSSION. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by jaxxy(m): 9:44pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
5thElement: So what will get u to heaven? Not sinning?? Then nobody will get to heaven trust me. U don’t understand. Ur best behavior is still like filty rags. If u depend on ur works or self perfection u will not make heaven. For sure. Ur continuous salvation is to help u and not God. It’s to keep ur mind believing what he has already done which makes ur perfect. Not u trying to be perfect by urself. 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by OBAGADAFFI: 9:46pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
Hier: The false doctrine was introduced by modern day Liberal Christians. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 9:47pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
jaxxy: James 2: 14-26 Faith without good works is dead. Faith Without Works Is Dead 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. READ YOUR BIBLE WELL. 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by djon78(m): 9:49pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
5thElement: Romans 8 vs 2 States that what the law could not do in that it was weakened by the flesh God sending his own son in like of flesh condemned sin in the flesh. That the righteous requirements of the law may be met in us who work not at the flesh but after the spirit. Israel could not keep God's law because of the sinful flesh God sent his son to condemn sin in the flesh. No man can by his own power live above sin Romans 3 vs 23 for all have sin and come short of Glory of God That is where a true believer will understand and appreciate Jesus coming Jesus did not come for himself John called him the Lamb of God |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by djon78(m): 9:51pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
5thElement: What you quoted has no correlation with what I wrote |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by jaxxy(m): 9:51pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Hmmmm. Yes I know we can have doubts. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 9:51pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
djon78: I don't believe in arguing for argument's sake. I believe I have closed this thread with the quotation from the letter of James. Unless you can show me it's a wrong quotation or that part of the Bible is wrong. 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 9:57pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
5thElement:The passage you quoted says a man's faith is justified by his works. You can't say you have faith if you don't show good works. But this doesn't mean having faith without works is wrong. If you have faith/believe and you show no works, you are still righteous before God because your believe in Jesus Christ will justify you where works is missing. Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 9:57pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
OBAGADAFFI: Actually by Martin Luther. It's called the Sola Scriptura, Sola Fidei clause by the so-called "reformers" who believed that Christianity stood on two legs, belief in the Scriptures only as the sole word of God and Faith alone as the means of salvation. People generally don't read. Both legs have been knocked out hundreds of years ago. Anybody who is interested can get a book titled, Rome Sweet Home. It's an interesting book. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Abcruz(m): 9:59pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Hear the word of the Sovereign LORD O simple one: ...You are the enemy of righteousness. You are full of all kinds of evil tricks, and you always keep trying to turn the Lord's truths into lies! -- Acts 13:10 For by a word you make a man out to be an offender, and lay a snare for him who reproves in the gate, and with an empty plea turn aside him who is in the right.--Isaiah 29:21 You say, "We are wise because we have the teachings and laws of the LORD." But I say that your teachers have turned my words into lies!--Jeremiah 8:8 Accept Jesus with your whole heart and soul, and Incline your ears to the reproves of life for your own good and for the good of the children after you.!!!" |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by djon78(m): 9:59pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
5thElement: I am not arguing with you You ate spreading falsehood and I am extracting the true word of God to expose your love es Jesus told the Jews you are like your father the devil. Who abode not in the Truth and the father of all liars The devil and false prophets peddle lies Counter what I put there or keep shut |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 10:01pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Try harder bro. You are only clutching at straws now. When Martin Luther, the originator of the heretical ideas you are spouting here read that quotation from St. James, he called it "the epistle of straw". Google is your friend. Google Martin Luther and the epistle of straw and read what it says. Can't help you if you can't comprehend simple passage. Faith without good works is dead. It can't be put simpler than that. 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 10:02pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
5thElement: Go ahead and sleep with prostitutes. When you lose all your money and get STD, just blame yourself alone. Sin will make you suffer here on earth. Rejection of Jesus Christ is what damns you eternally. Believe in Jesus saves you from the damnation your sins would have plunged you into eternally. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by jaxxy(m): 10:04pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
5thElement: I have read all these scriptures severally I just can’t quote them off hand or reference them quickly. I know this quite well and it brings me back to my question. Was Abraham himself a perfect man without sin? This aswer is No. Why because no man can fulfill the law. If u want to judge urself by the law u will ultimately fail and that is why Christ came. Ur work of salvation is continuous bt not what makes u perfect. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 10:04pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
Abcruz:The verses are actually speaking to you. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 10:05pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
djon78: The true word of God according to Mr. djon. Lol. Here's an easy advice for you, if you have a short fuse, best not to engage in Christian apologetics. You'll only blow a gasket. I understand that you think you are right. Which is OK. There certainly is bliss in ignorance...for the meanwhile. I'm done here. 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by captaingee: 10:05pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
ANY "SCRIPTURE", PREACHING, TEXT OR WORDS THAT MAKES YOU LIVE COMFORTABLY IN SIN IS FROM THE PIT OF HELL 2 Likes |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by kodded(m): 10:07pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
djon78:gbam |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 10:08pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
jaxxy: So, when Jesus Christ commanded us to "be perfect" just as our heavenly Father is perfect, are you saying he was just mouthing off words he didn't mean? 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by djon78(m): 10:10pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
5thElement: You are a liar and spreading Falsehood Counter what I said You think the Bible is a philosophical book The Bible is the living word of God The Bible Carey's life of God Power to live above sin |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 10:10pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
djon78: You probably should stop listening to dubious pastors bro and read your bible more. Epistle of St James: Faith without works is dead. Simple as A, B, and C. 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by jaxxy(m): 10:11pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: My people persish for lack of wisdom. Sin can bring its own troubles if Ure stupid bt people sin and will repent. Even if u don’t think u sin if u don’t repent u are proud which is another sin in itself. Repentance is a work and sign of Faith. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 10:14pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: What if I always use a condom, would that be alright? Very ridiculous. 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 10:15pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
djon78: Are you saying that your pastors are sinless? |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by jaxxy(m): 10:15pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
5thElement: He was saying we shud be perfect sure asin work at it. Was any of his disciples perfect? How many of them did he condemn for not being perfect? Can u be perfect in one day? 3years? 30years? Tell me. Even in ur so-called perfection without Christ work ur are a bloody sinner b4 God. Ur works is nothing |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 10:17pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
5thElement:Even the manufacturers of condoms say it Not always effectiveness protection. |
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