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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 10:25pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
jaxxy: Be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect. He didn't say, try and be perfect. I know that you know that you are wrong. The question isn't whether we attain the perfection. The question is why try at all if I am already assured of heaven. Do you understand. 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 10:28pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Now you are derailing your own thread. Sleep on the Epistle of St James: Faith without good works is DEAD. 2 Likes |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by aboystar: 10:30pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
djon78:You are saved by grace and not works. Jesus did the work that make salvation possible. After that you are saved, your name has been written in the book of life, you have gotten the promised eternal life, you are in the kingdom of God then you need to prove yourself in the kingdom by good works in order for a good conscience towards God and man. The truth is that in the kingdom that you are there are laws in that kingdom for now that kingdom is spiritual, if you break the laws you expose yourself to attack of the one and only enemy Satan. The gospel is Good and sweet, stop making it bitter. Thank you
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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by aboystar: 10:35pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
djon78:Are you sure? |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by djon78(m): 10:35pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
aboystar: How am I making it bitter |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by UncletC: 10:37pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
Brothers, if you have believed in the false doctrine that says you can lose your salvation, please now is the time to throw it away. Leave that false church which is selling that counterfeit gospel to you. Find a church which believes in eternal security, but. Eternal security without meeting the conditions? pure lie |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Davidvigbe: 10:40pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
All this forever saved people full my sch wella They will even tell u that God is not wicked to throw anyone into hell bcoz he's a loving father. They will ask u if a man can throw his child into fire bcoz he offended him ,and if a man cannot do that,how much more our heavenly loving father. My advice is to run away from these demons before they highjack ur stand with God |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by jaxxy(m): 10:43pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
5thElement: Why shudnt u try? Then what is the bases of ur faith? My submission U can’t be perfect like God by any works u think u have. Check the Bible even after Christ how many were perfect like him even his very own disciples hoped for perfection? Now u here and thinking u can be perfect by doing dis or that? |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Davidvigbe: 11:00pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
1 Timothy 4:1 ~ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devil |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Davidvigbe: 11:05pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
Exodus 32:32-33 ~ Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. Many falsely teach that once a persons name is in the book of life they can never be lost and that name can never be blotted out. Here it is clearly seen that certain people will have their names blotted out of the book of life and God shows exactly who it will be that will have their names blotted out. It is not just those who commit horrendous crimes, but it is all those who choose to turn from righteousness and sin against him that will have their names blotted out of the book of life and perish. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by UncletC: 11:07pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
[/color]alBHAGDADI, you had just a little understanding of the subject matter you are brewing............ SALVATION in the Bible is in three-fold....if you know only one fold, or only two, you will mislead people as you are doing here...... Now follow me....Salvational Stages, I will be clear and straight forward for want of space and time |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Davidvigbe: 11:09pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
[/b]Ezekiel 18:24 ~ But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.[b] If ever the question of eternal security was asked in the Bible it is here. It is clearly asked ‘what happens to a saved man when he chooses to go back into sin?’ The answer is that none of his past experiences of salvation will be remembered by God but in his sin he will die and be lost. Oh, let us not listen to the lies but always fear God, continue in righteousness, and be saved! |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Ayt27(m): 11:11pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
djon78: Please can I have your email i’d Like to talk with you |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by TruthinAction: 11:34pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Your teaching is manipulative. You quote portions of Scripture that appears to support your pre conceived opinions and ignore others that contradicts it. You pretend not to know that their are so many saved believers who commit sin as though they have never seen the gate of a church. You mean once you are born again, it doesn't matter what you do, you will go to heaven. You are an agent of darkness disguised as a minister of light. Don't tell me you are not aware of even Pastors who commit adultery and fornication. Do, they will still make heaven even if they don't repent. Please read your Bible well and stop deceiving people. End time false teachers. 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by pressplay411(m): 12:40am On Dec 31, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: The challenge is you still believe heaven is only a place you go after death. Heaven and hell start on earth. Seeing the kingdom of heaven is accessing and walking in the spiritual revelations of God. And yes, you can lose your salvation. No need to look far, just ask the atheists and apostates. But He's a merciful God. Any one who humbles himself and seeks repentance will be saved. Peace, Grace and Wisdom to you and us all. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Antichristus: 2:13am On Dec 31, 2018 |
The greatest evil perpetuated by the Europeans And Arabs is religionising Africa to the point where people take ancient Mesopotamian folklore literally. Recently, a colleague downloaded an inaugural professorial lecture delivered in a Nigerian university in a scientific field. It was heavily interspersed with biblical narratives in a fashion that defies any sound theological and philosophical reasoning. You guys are doomed; as irrevocably dooomed as your country is. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by viaco(m): 2:30am On Dec 31, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Lol! I learnt that even the devil knows how to quote Bible to use it to confuse people using different means, we can see in Jesus' temptation. I disagree with basically most of what you've said up to this point, but what you said particularly in this comment caught my attention and I had to comment! Revelations 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. This is very clear and plain contradiction to what you said. As you can see there, all those sins, including the "unbelieving" that is those who don't believe in the Gospel of Christ and the others listed there will have their part in hell fire. You can still be rescued from this deadly fallacy you hold dear to and continue to spread. Please read Romans 6 very carefully, it is very possible to live a life above sin. How you may ask? Romans 6:1-2 1. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2. God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? It says in the second verse that we are dead to sin, how? Romans 6:3 3. Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Basically, when you believed on Jesus Christ and accepted Him as your Lord and personal saviour, you didn't just do that, you were also baptized into His death, this means you died and were buried with Him. Your sinful life was buried in His death. Romans 6:4 4. Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. This is saying that since our sinful life was buried with Him and we all know that Jesus was raised from the dead, this means we rise with Him as well, but this time we're leaving our sinful life behind and walking with a new life, a clean life, free and devoid of sin...old things have passed away, behold all things have become new. (2 Corinthians 5:17) Romans 6:5-7 5. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6. Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Since our old man or old life was crucified with Him, we shouldn't serve sin anymore, because basically that version of you is dead and you're now a new sin-free person that should continue to live that way. Romans 6:8-14 8. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9. Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What does this mean? it means now that you died already when you received Christ and Christ died to sin once and now lives to God, we too we should believe ourselves dead to sin and alive to God through Jesus. This means that we should believe that we can live above sin because we are basically dead to it and now we are living in Christ, so Christ has empowered us to live above sin. v.12 also says don't let sin reign in your mortal body and v.13 says we shouldn't yield any parts of our bodies for sinful purposes because, v.14 Sin doesn't have control over you anymore, you are now under God's grace. Take note! It doesn't say "you can now sin because you are now under God's grace" Please let this misconception stop. God bless you. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by viaco(m): 3:10am On Dec 31, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Romans 8:1 1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. There is no condemnation if you don't walk after the flesh, which is equivalent to not sinning. This in essence means that there is condemnation if you walk after the flesh, that is, if you sin, and you can't tell me you can be condemned and have eternal life at the same time. That is not possible. Thank you. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by viaco(m): 3:39am On Dec 31, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: The same 1 John 5 you quoted, if you go down: 1 John 5:18 18. We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. (KJV) To enlighten you, here's a different version: 1 John 5:18 18. We know that those who have been made God's children do not continue to sin. The Son of God keeps them safe. The Evil One cannot hurt them. (ERV) You can see clearly it says when you're now God's child you shouldn't continue in sin. 2 Corinthians 5:21 21. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus Christ was pure of sin up to His death. On the cross, basically He took on all the sin of the world and carried it to the grave with Him to bury it. Jesus couldn't ascend to Heaven until he had buried that sin and then he arose all new to live in God, same way it's through Christ that we become righteous because we go through the process when we accept Him, we die and resurrect new. Finally: Romans 6:15-18 15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17. But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. (KJV) For better understanding: Romans 6:15-18 15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17. But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. (TEV/GNB) I hope this is clear. Even now that you're under grace, if you decide to sin, that means you're giving up yourself as a servant to sin which eventually leads to death (opposite of eternal life...obviously), but if you're obedient and don't sin any longer, you're now a servant to righteousness or doing right things or living right. Sin is toxic, no part of the Bible makes sin okay, abstain from sin and God bless you. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by viaco(m): 3:51am On Dec 31, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Errmmm.... Romans 6:13 13. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. I believe your member is your flesh. And also... 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Your body is not yours, God gave you that body for a purpose and when you received Jesus, His Spirit now dwells in your body as a temple, so glorify God in your body AND in your spirit. Not in your spirit alone. Please take note. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by viaco(m): 3:58am On Dec 31, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Please don't just cut sections from the Bible and give it your own interpretation, you skipped the previous verse: Romans 3:9-12 9. What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. v.9 was trying to prove something, it said "we have proved that both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin" he now proceeded to bring proof of that statement in v.10, as it is written, there is non righteous, no, not one. Sure, before Christ, no one was righteous, but now, we are righteous by our faith or belief in Christ. Thank you. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by viaco(m): 4:17am On Dec 31, 2018 |
Also yes, faith without works is dead. This means that your faith is not faith unless there are works to back it up. Believe in Jesus and you will be saved. Yes, but that believe needs to be shown in how you live from that time on ward. It's just like saying you love someone with your mouth and then you do things that hurt them. Anyone else that sees you will say you don't love that person, why? Because of your works. I rest my case. 1 Timothy 6:20 20. Timothy, keep safe what has been entrusted to your care. Avoid the profane talk and foolish arguments of what some people wrongly call "Knowledge." (TEV/GNB) I have not come to argue but to spread light. Peace be unto you all. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 4:48am On Dec 31, 2018 |
viaco:Walking after the flesh mean you don't have the spirit of God. Please understand the difference. As long as you have the spirit of God but you are still on the flesh, you will son because the flesh is weak, but you won't continue in it. It is those who lack God's spirit that wallow in sin. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 4:53am On Dec 31, 2018 |
viaco:You have misconstrued my stance all along. Nowhere did I say one can now continue in sin just because he is saved. What I'm saying is that as long as you are on earth, you will always sin. We are o my striving to be like Jesus who never sinned. If we could love without sin, then we dont need Jesus dying on the cross, well just save ourselves. All the verses you are quoting are only admomishing to stay away from sin. None says it is a requirement for eternal life. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 5:00am On Dec 31, 2018 |
5thElement:You keep hammering on James and without works faith is dead. If I show you a dead dog, what will you say I showed you? A dog, right? But it is dead, which still doesn't stop it from being a dog, just that it can't do what most other live dogs do. And there's no way you can call the dead dog a stone. Same thing applies to faith without works is dead. The faith is dead but it still sexists as faith, just that if has no works which makes it different from those with works. But it is still faith. That's why the below verse says faith without works is still seen as righteousness. Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 5:03am On Dec 31, 2018 |
UncletC:What conditions? And please back your words with verses not misquoted or taken out of context, or keep quiet. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by djon78(m): 6:11am On Dec 31, 2018 |
I have followed and contributed on this thread A lot of scriptures have been quoted Jesus called Christians the light of the world. Salt of the earth. But look around Nigeria. Is there any evidence of such. Are lifestyles and conducts evidence of such? As we enter the new year 2019 let us genuinely walk with God. Those that have made mistakes there is room at the cross for you. God is always calling with his arms wide open. He has never given up on any of us. Those going through challenges, and difficulties, my prayer is that God will see you through and you will come out victorious on the other side Remain Blessed 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by mneedss(m): 7:53am On Dec 31, 2018 |
From the write-up, the writer positioned himself as someone who understands better, in reality, needs to understand what he does not understand. From the opening paragraph, "There is currently a false gospel out there which says once you accept Jesus and you go back to sin, you will lose your salvation..." but in reality, the writer is the one spreading a false gospel. On the issue of raised that "once you accept Jesus and you go back to sin, you will lose your salvation" I will take you up alongside Judas example raised that he was never saved. Read Acts 1:17:..." and had (Judas) obtained part of this ministry". How did he obtain it? By Salvation of course. Mark 3:13-14 13 And he goeth up into a mountain, and calleth unto him whom he would: and they came unto him (Please note "and they came unto him). 14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, Read Acts 1:25 "...from which Judas by transgression fell" HE fell by transgression. Do you talk about somebody who is already on the ground that he fell? Of course no. You refer to someone previously standing that he fell. This overrules your concept of intact salvation despite going into sin. 2 Peter 2:20-22 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. On the issue of Belief, He misinterpreted the concept of "Belief" and being born again. You can not separate repentance from being born again. Romans 10:9"9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved" 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Compare scriptures with scriptures, you cannot claim to believe without confession with your mouth. Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out ..." Jesus himself emphasized in Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Any acclaimed belief that does not bring conversion through repentance is fake. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by rhektor(m): 8:13am On Dec 31, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: You are writing what suits your narrative, Peter told them to repent of their rejection of Jesus to accept Jesus let me go with your logic It means repentance and accepting Jesus are the same thing or you're just being cunning with word |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by rhektor(m): 8:19am On Dec 31, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: If Judas did not betray Jesus he wouldn't have hang himself, if Denmas did not looser his salvation Paul would not have to tell us how he(Denmas) backslided, the seven churches that were spoken about by Jesus in the book revelation gives an insight into this discussion, when the Lord said "I will spew you out of my mouth" would Jesus not know about once saved for ever saved? Do you mean Jesus too did not have the understanding of how salvation works? My guy stop chasing shadows |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Abcruz(m): 8:25am On Dec 31, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: O son of deceit! I put it to you that these very words will judge you if you do not change your ways, to stop making crook the straight path of the Sovereign LORD!!! |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 8:30am On Dec 31, 2018 |
rhektor: You people lack the spirit of God that's why you don't understand the word of God which are spiritually discerned. Paul never said Demas lost his salvation or left the faith. He only said Demas abandoned him (Paul) 2 Timothy 4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia. Jesus warning to those churches were earthly punishment, not eternal. You don't understand that either. |
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