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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:55am On Jan 03, 2019
BascoVanVeli:
Will Arsenal fans ever fully appreciate Alex Iwobi?

Date published: Tuesday 1st January 2019 5:32


Even as Alex Iwobi represented the only discernible difference between Arsenal and Fulham on Tuesday, the critics would not be silenced. The end product of a winger with more assists than the excellent James Maddison this season was questioned; the development of a player with fewer than 150 first-team games was mocked.

A first half in which the Nigerian was by far the most dangerous, most effective and most impressive player was merely the exception that proved the rule. Iwobi’s assist for Granit Xhaka’s opener, his clever flick to help set up the Swiss again and his sumptuous near-post cross for Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang’s header: each was an example of his inconsistency rather than his intelligence.

Opinions have long been formed on Iwobi, the sort which can only be confirmed but never refuted. As easily as his excellent first half was forgotten, a more wasteful and frustrating second stuck in the memory of many fans. His hold-up play, awareness and skill played a crucial role in Alexandre Lacazette’s goal, but did you see that slightly overhit pass for Sead Kolasinac in the 76th minute? Not good enough; never will be.

He has certainly gone off the boil a bit in the second half but at times it seems like in the area of the Emirates where I sit Iwobi can do no right. I'm not really sure what some fans expect from him.
— James Benge (@jamesbenge) January 1, 2019

His partnership with Kolasinac down the left-hand side was the key to victory over a Fulham side who had Arsenal’s defence against the ropes at times. Iwobi, as the only capable dribbler behind the two strikers, was integral in stretching the Cottagers. Yet a handful of sloppy passes after half-time were used as sticks to beat him with. In truth, he simply dropped a little closer to the standard of his teammates.

For a player who thrives on self-belief, it must be increasingly exasperating. Before this season, much of Arsenal’s squad only ever knew the influence and coaching of one manager. Arsene Wenger is one of the sport’s greatest ever minds, but so many players were bound to benefit from a different perspective, a fresh outlook.

The problem was that the squad was never really given a universal clean slate. Many appreciated that certain players would improve under a different manager and a different system, but some were simply considered beyond help. At the age of just 22, Iwobi somehow fell into that bracket: he wasn’t good enough for Wenger’s Arsenal, so what would change under Unai Emery?

“I’m more positive and more confident with the ball,” Iwobi reflected upon his self-improvements in October. “The boss has basically told me that if something doesn’t work, just keep going and don’t dwell on it.

“He’s told me to stop being so critical and to just keep trying no matter what happens, no matter if things don’t go as I want them to.”

Emery might come across as a more authoritative, disciplinarian figure than his predecessor, the more expressive football aficionado. But a different voice has been crucial. The Spaniard might not put an arm around his players, but he encourages them in his own way. To remind them that perfection is not attainable has clearly made a difference.

But some sections of the Arsenal fanbase – as with any team – do not make the same allowances for mistakes. Iwobi was thankfully applauded for his contribution by the home fans when he was substituted with seven minutes remaining; so many others chose to focus on the negatives.

Perhaps that is because the positives were less obvious to the naked eye. He had the fewest touches (24) of any Arsenal player in the first half, yet created the most chances (3). Such quiet efficiency will never please everyone.

While Emery is one of the majority who can appreciate what Iwobi offers, that will not be a problem. His detractors will one day accept and embrace what he is and could be, rather than bemoan what he isn’t.

https://www.football365.com/news/will-arsenal-fans-ever-fully-appreciate-alex-iwobi#

Brilliant and fantastic post.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 2:58am On Jan 03, 2019
Curtisaxel7:


Are you seriously kidding me?.

So Modric of Real Madrid, Lovren of Liverpool, Perisic, Kovacic of Madrid, Mandzukic of Juventus, Rakitic of Barcelona and co are average players?.

Honestly, for this football blasphemy you just spouted, you deserve to be tied to a rock-filled giant football and cast into the middle of the River Niger.
modric ,mandzukic ,rakitic and maybe periodic are decent players. Others are just above average. Am not saying we were better than them o but they defeated us due to Rohr's tactics and formation.
On your last paragraph, I will just IGNORE... lol

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:23am On Jan 03, 2019
Danielnino00:
A true fan support his team and its players through thick and thin and not rubbish them all the time..


Word.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:27am On Jan 03, 2019
mostob:
modric ,mandzukic ,rakitic and maybe periodic are decent players. Others are just above average. Am not saying we were better than them o but they defeated us due to Rohr's tactics and formation.
On your last paragraph, I will just IGNORE... lol

We where better then Croatia , lol

Joke of the century

So many sentimental super eagles fans

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:31am On Jan 03, 2019
mostob:
average players make a good team. Croatia us an example.

And kovacic rakitic mandzukic vrsaljko mandzukic brozovic lovren are average?

You must be one of those petty Epl fan boys

Anyway thanks for watching back of tv for years

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:33am On Jan 03, 2019
InSanety:
Bleacher's Report African Team of the Year

Ndidi is the only player I will argue that's not an average player ,but I am still even confused self ,not all this our bricklayers players

Nigerians are always sentimental and never sincere

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:34am On Jan 03, 2019
tbaba1234:


With all those players, Croatia did not overrun us at the world cup. In fact, if not for silly mistakes, that was a duĺl 0:0 game.

We are just underrating our players.

Stop giving excuses bro

All matches requires mistakes for the other opponent to win the game ,this is football

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:35am On Jan 03, 2019
Odunayaw:
Was Sweden, Russia & Japan not average? How many from these teams can bench the boys in SE grin

Yes Sweden Japan and Russia are average but not Croatia please

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:37am On Jan 03, 2019
Danielnino00:


Your continuous tagging of Nigerian players as average and below average simply means you don't support them.. How can u support the super eagles when it's players don't even look good to u?
Do u even really support the super eagles? You think I have forgotten your posts on the team prior to the world cup especially your criticism on Musa?
We have always had good players over the years... a lot of them just don't live up to their potentials.. doesn't mean that they are totally useless.. A few years ago,Iheanacho was easily rated among the best goalscorers in Europe.. today he is struggling, that's life for u...

A true fan support his team and its players through thick and thin and not rubbish them all the time..

Oga support or no support doesn't mean we should not speak the truth

Why can't we stop deceiving our self and always bring sentimental all in the name of supporting super eagles?

Super eagles players are average take in or leave it sir

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:39am On Jan 03, 2019
Danielnino00:


we have Ndidi,Kalu,Aina,Omeruo, Ekong and Chukwueze and Iwobi playing for top clubs in Europe top 5 leagues and they are starters.
They aren't world class,but by world standard,they aren't below average either...

Bros why you dey lie ?

So if them call top club you for each leagues you go call Leicester udinese leganes ?

Lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 4:45am On Jan 03, 2019
isan:
African team of the year
to all those saying we have above average players, I can only say Ndidi and to a large extent iwobi even both are debatable all our players are average, they have the potential tho but they always fail to reach the height. Even in Africa you can barely mention Naija players

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 4:52am On Jan 03, 2019
2019 will be a very busy year for our football, all our male national teams from U-17 to Super eagles will be playing the nations Cup, wishing them all the best. N.b there's no news about the U-23 nations cup/ Olympic qualifier, what's the gist about it? the Olympics is just next year o. Cc: tbaba1234, icon4s
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 5:08am On Jan 03, 2019
andrew444:


Bros why you dey lie ?

So if them call top club you for each leagues you go call Leicester udinese leganes ?

Lol


No.mind baba jare grin grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 5:13am On Jan 03, 2019
EEGA:
We didn't concede any goal from open play.Croatia's 2 goals came due to our inability to defend corner kicks.


Boss,mistakes lead to goals,and just to remind u


Croatians tamed our boiz to d extent dt,we didn't get to knw d color of d Jersey deir keeper wore grin grin at some point in first half,no shot on target in first half,our attack was non existing,only etebo played very well cool

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 5:17am On Jan 03, 2019
jihday:
to all those saying we have above average players, I can only say Ndidi and to a large extent iwobi even both are debatable all our players are average, they have the potential tho but they always fail to reach the height. Even in Africa you can barely mention Naija players


Dis is one of d point d likes of tbaba and co fails to c


If we can barely make first 11 in Africa set up,den aw do we justify d claim dt we av players above average or top class level..normally back den,we take up to 4 or 5 positions sef in d starting 11

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:16am On Jan 03, 2019
andrew444:


Stop giving excuses bro

All matches requires mistakes for the other opponent to win the game ,this is football

There are no excuses.

These so called world class players did not play us off the park. They simply capitalized on our own mistakes.

It was not brilliance from one of their players.

My point is that our underrated players matched them for the most part.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:38am On Jan 03, 2019
jihday:
2019 will be a very busy year for our football, all our male national teams from U-17 to Super eagles will be playing the nations Cup, wishing them all the best. N.b there's no news about the U-23 nations cup/ Olympic qualifier, what's the gist about it? the Olympics is just next year o. Cc: tbaba1234, icon4s

We don't even have an olympics coach. Salisu was supposed to be under 23 coach.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 7:37am On Jan 03, 2019
tbaba1234:


There are no excuses.

These so called world class players did not play us off the park. They simply capitalized on our own mistakes.

It was not brilliance from one of their players.

My point is that our underrated players matched them for the most part.


That's part of the game of football bro
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by wayodude(m): 8:27am On Jan 03, 2019
tbaba1234:


There are no excuses.

These so called world class players did not play us off the park. They simply capitalized on our own mistakes.

It was not brilliance from one of their players.

My point is that our underrated players matched them for the most part.


Matching them for parts of the game is to be expected after all our players are professional players. The bottom line is that we didn't create anything going forward and they did BECAUSE they were better than us in all aspects of the game. These is no other way of dressing this up.

Krmaric molested Shehu for as long as he was around.

The pony tail defender Vida was like 3 men, our players got confused at the sight of him.

Modric and Rakitic were mostly unopposed in midfield.

The respectable scoreline and the fact their goals came via set pieces is what is tarnishing our memory of how that game actually unfolded.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by femianski: 8:28am On Jan 03, 2019
the rashford that iheanacho fanboys were comparing iheanacho with about two seasons ago is scoring goals and making assists for fun

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 8:38am On Jan 03, 2019
wayodude:


Matching them for parts of the game is to be expected after all our players are professional players. The bottom line is that we didn't create anything going forward and they did BECAUSE they were better than us in all aspects of the game. These is no other way of dressing this up.

Krmaric molested Shehu for as long as he was around.

The pony tail defender Vida was like 3 men, our players got confused at the sight of him.

Modric and Rakitic were mostly unopposed in midfield.

The respectable scoreline and the fact their goals came via set pieces is what is tarnishing our memory of how that game actually unfolded.

How many chances were created by Croatia?

Croatia had only 2 shots on target, same with Nigeria. One was the penalty.

So in 90 minutes, Croatia had 1 shot on target in open play.

I did not see that dominance. We lacked creativity and a decent striker but they did not dominate anything.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by bazooka1: 8:42am On Jan 03, 2019
wayodude:


Matching them for parts of the game is to be expected after all our players are professional players. The bottom line is that we didn't create anything going forward and they did BECAUSE they were better than us in all aspects of the game. These is no other way of dressing this up.

Krmaric molested Shehu for as long as he was around.

The pony tail defender Vida was like 3 men, our players got confused at the sight of him.

Modric and Rakitic were mostly unopposed in midfield.

The respectable scoreline and the fact their goals came via set pieces is what is tarnishing our memory of how that game actually unfolded.

Your narrative was very apt. The Croatia game went the same way our pre world cup friendlies went.
The Super Eagles were so bad on the day that they couldn't force Croatia to shift gears to beat them.
The Croatians played the game as if they deliberately were conserving energy for more demanding games ahead in the tournament.
That game was a bad advertisement for Nigerian football. We didn't make na impression at all. The Croatians barely broke a sweat.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 8:46am On Jan 03, 2019
bazooka1:


Your narrative was very apt. The Croatia game went the same way our pre world cup friendlies went.
The Super Eagles were so bad on the day that they couldn't even force Croatia to shift gears to beat them.
The Croatians played the game as if they deliberately were conserving energy for more demanding games ahead in the tournament.
That game was a bad advertisement for Nigerian football. We didn't make na impression at all.

Croatia played 90 minutes with 1 shot on target and they were conserving energy

We were simply undone by mistakes. That was a boring 0:0 game if i ever saw one.

Nigeria neutralized Croatia in that game fairly easily. It was a poor game from both teams.

We just lacked invention going forward.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 8:55am On Jan 03, 2019
This is a screenshot of the stats in the Croatian game. Uzoho only had one save to make in 90 minutes

Nigeria had more shots overall and same number on target.

Possession and corners were fairly even.

It is easy to think that we were so terrible because we lost but it was a nothing game with few chances.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 8:58am On Jan 03, 2019
tbaba1234:


Croatia played 90 minutes with 1 shot on target and they were conserving energy

We were simply undone by mistakes. That was a boring 0:0 game if i ever saw one.

Nigeria neutralized Croatia in that game fairly easily. It was a poor game from both teams.

We just lacked invention going forward.


Bros not to argue anything at all as I won't be available to reply but you need to go and watch that game again. If you say we matched the Croatians then....well then I guess I now see why you are an Arsenal fan

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by bazooka1: 9:31am On Jan 03, 2019
tbaba1234:


Croatia played 90 minutes with 1 shot on target and they were conserving energy

We were simply undone by mistakes. That was a boring 0:0 game if i ever saw one.

Nigeria neutralized Croatia in that game fairly easily. It was a poor game from both teams.

We just lacked invention going forward.

Well, the game didn't end 0-0. We were a goal down in the first half, showed no fight in the second half to get back in the game. Went 2-0 down, still showed no fighting spirit or will to get a goal back, no real chances created.

My brother, don't get caught up in the illusion that we kept Croatia at bay because we made errors.
When you are a goal down, you fight to bounce back in the game. You don't play to cancel out the opposition at 2 goals down. That is small team mentality.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by wayodude(m): 9:43am On Jan 03, 2019
tbaba1234:


How many chances were created by Croatia?

Croatia had only 2 shots on target, same with Nigeria. One was the penalty.

So in 90 minutes, Croatia had 1 shot on target in open play.

I did not see that dominance. We lacked creativity and a decent striker but they did not dominate anything.


https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/match/300331523/#match-summary

Without going to the length of watching the entire match again, the highlights on fifa.com only include one attacking move by Nigeria and the shot at the end of it wasn't worthy of any description.

I will clarify what i meant. I wont say they totally dominated Nigeria but what i will say is that they were NEVER in danger in that game, we were on numerous occasions. In the end they did what they had to do to get the win and I think had they needed to step up their game they would have been able to do so. Yea?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Princezibk: 10:03am On Jan 03, 2019
It’s alright
elyte89:



grin grin grin,we don pass dis stage bro,we no longer attack personality again,we attack d message not d messenger cool
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 10:14am On Jan 03, 2019
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 10:40am On Jan 03, 2019
Oasis007:
grin grin grin

Oasis what do you think?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:02am On Jan 03, 2019
Dannyxy:
profiling a player as being world class, excellent, very good, good or average is contextual... I agree with you.. It's also based on personal opinion..

Now I am of the opinion that there are very few world class players , as there are also quite a few excellent players..

But now there are very good players , which I believe the Nigerian players being termed average fall under, and this opinion is formed based on their talent, and the teams they play for..

So now oga MI. Without emotive bias and an attitude of negativity, on which contextual ground would you say that Wilfred ndidi, Alex iwobi, kelechi iheanacho, Samuel chukweze, Isaac success, Samuel kalu etal are not very good players?

Statistics are in football indicative and not necessarily Exhaustive in determining ability and delivery.

Let me explain. lf you are in a team with limited attacking options and simply don't have the quality players to trouble your opponent.

You may more often than not decide to park the bus.

As a consequence your players defensive and otherwise will probably have more blocks and tackles. As the season goes on your players may have the highest number of blocks and tackles in the league.

Last season Reading had a CB who had the highest number of tackles in the league. They almost got relegated to league one. Does ot make thier CB the best in the league❓ NOT AT ALL.

Statistics in this regard should be taken in context of over all play and impact. For instance Zaha doesn't score a lot of goals and assists but drives his whole team forward such is his influence. Attributes not always quantifiable in a statistics count.

Nonetheless, some things can not be ignored, for instance, Strikers and forward players should score goals. No argument.

But back to the questions:

Wilfred Ndidi may statistically be better than Ngolo in terms of tackles but his passing range and over all influence on games is limited, nonetheless l still class him above average.

Alex Iwobi has been inconsistent in past season however, he has been more consistent this season. However, his inability to add goals to his delivery is very worrying. He is this season just marginally above average.

KC not much to say, there is no hiding place a player that is one Leicester most expensive attacking players at £25 million. He has been abysmal his goal tally totally disgraceful. Some will still make all kinds of excuses for him.

Chukwueze shows a lot of promise but he has not played up too 20 professional games in La Liga. It's too early to give him a classification. Even his goal tally is not exceptional yet. He shows great potential.

Isaac Success, if you go way back l talked about why Watford bought him and the structure that engineered his transfer. For a big strong striker, he puffs and he huffs but delivers nothing very wasteful in front of goal. He is very far from clinical, how, many goals in three seasons . IMO he is well below average, many will make excuses for him.

Kalu I really have not watched him enough to comment that would be unfair.

There is an assumption that if you are not doing too well in the Epl if you drop down to the Championship or lower you will become prolific. That's simply not true and that's why l rate a prolific outstanding Lion of a striker in a English lower league than a mouse in the EPL doing nothing.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by EEGA: 11:36am On Jan 03, 2019
Mickael2:



Bros not to argue anything at all as I won't be available to reply but you need to go and watch that game again. If you say we matched the Croatians then....well then I guess I now see why you are an Arsenal fan
We matched the Croatians in the middle.

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