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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:05am On Jan 03, 2019 |
Odunayaw: Main body and rotor can withstand hit to an extent But |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 11:09am On Jan 03, 2019 |
nemesis8u:Hmm, sad news too early |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ugo4u: 11:11am On Jan 03, 2019 |
nemesis8u:That's the worst nightmare of any helicopter Pilot (Loss of tail rotor), chances of coming out of such crash is extremely low. Infact I've not heard of a situation where a pilot regained control of a helicopter after the tail rotor fails/breaks off. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by EVarn(m): 11:17am On Jan 03, 2019 |
Stephandeswardt:Personally, I think a B.Sc. or HND(at worst OND) should be prerequisite for recruitment into the military. A large proportion of the Nigerian armed forces is made up of uneducated or under-educated people. Recruitment is skewed to favour some sections of the country, how then can we expect a professional body?. I agree with you, quality should be a priority. Only a person who has passed through the semi-regimented process that the Nigerian educational system provides(Primary, Secondary and Tertiary) will be able to easily retain military training and discipline. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Stephandeswardt: 11:31am On Jan 03, 2019 |
Odunayaw: I hope not manpads |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Stephandeswardt: 11:32am On Jan 03, 2019 |
ugo4u: Same demise of usa black hawks....in somalia |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 11:32am On Jan 03, 2019 |
EVarn:If our public schools (where most people pass through) were up to scratch I see no reason why any SSCE holder shouldn't be Able to grasp military training (and that's not saying our soldiers don't) That said, education is not the problem. In the SA Bush war they had a battalion made of predominantly bushmen (31 Bn) and I doubt there has risen any COIN effective unit as them on the continent I don't know if its the training approach or caliber of instructors but I know there's no where in Top armies that a grunt needs more than his high school certificate to get in the military 3 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 11:34am On Jan 03, 2019 |
Stephandeswardt:If these thugs had manpads the A-jets would have been falling all year long 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Stephandeswardt: 11:34am On Jan 03, 2019 |
ugo4u: Lie.....unless it is the co-axial choppees built by russia.....once the tail rotor is gone, you are spinning down to earth |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Stephandeswardt: 11:35am On Jan 03, 2019 |
Odunayaw: A-jet might not be effective like mi35m |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Xbee007(m): 11:47am On Jan 03, 2019 |
Stephandeswardt:Isn't that what he said? Read his post again, slowly. 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by EVarn(m): 11:53am On Jan 03, 2019 |
Odunayaw:You do have a point. But then again, you'd be surprised how many of our men don't even have that ordinary SSCE. My thinking is, education instills some sort of base values that serves as foundation for any sort of future training. It is easier for an educated person to grasp the concept of rules of engagement, hierarchy, and force discipline than a person who doesn't even have a SSCE certificate. The Bush warriors you mentioned were understandably fighting for a specific objective, they were homogenous and of course, had a pre-existing form of martial training and discipline. However I think I agree that it is the calibre of training. They just train soldiers on endurance and stamina. Archaic forms of training as if we are still in WW2. These guys hardly know how to fight in units or how to fight under duress. Weapons training is shoddy, someone posted a videos here recently where a soldier was firing at close range, and he had to fire four times before hitting his target,I mean, his mark was practically squatting in front of his barrel,yet he couldn't hit him. 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Stephandeswardt: 11:58am On Jan 03, 2019 |
Xbee007: You should read again....co-axials do not have taill rotor |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ugo4u: 11:59am On Jan 03, 2019 |
Stephandeswardt:What's Lie in my post maybe you can throw more light. But from an informed point of view no helicopter in the world even the ones built by Italy or US can survive a loss of the tail rotor. It all boils down to the working principle of the Main rotor and tail rotor, if you understand the POH you won't even argue abt it. So if the tail rotor is lost what other mechanism will be used to counter the torque of the main rotor? To the best of my memory NAF does not have any coaxial chopper in her inventory. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Stephandeswardt: 12:01pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
ugo4u: Counter rotating main rotor.....no need for tail rotor 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 12:03pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Despite the poor working condition, our gallant Nigerian Army soldiers did very well when BokoHaram fighters attempted taking over the town of Damasak a town bordering, Diffa Region of NigerRepublic. Our troops ambushed and killed scores of BokoHaram. #VictoryIsNear 3 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 12:09pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Stephandeswardt: ugo4u is correct , In my post autocorrect changed axial to coaxial helicopters with coaxial rotors don't have anti torque tail rotors . And such helicopters don't face anti torque failures. And Nigeria does not have coaxial rotor based helicopters. Funny thing I , u and ugo4u r saying the same thing 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SternProphet: 12:51pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
ugo4u:Intelligent post. Why did Boko Haram choose this period to attack far flung outposts I a serial manner? Answer: Haramattan haze weather. Same reason they were hoping the Air force would be too reluctant to launch sorties due to low visibility, they probably can shoot down planes with manual sighting AAAs. If this aircraft was shot down then a guided missile was probably used which is worrisome. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 1:08pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Xbee007(m): 1:14pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Just sighted a powerful heavy lifter (with 4 monstrous engines!) in the sky of Abuja. Probably belonging to USAF or RAF. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ugo4u: 1:16pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
SternProphet:hmmmm!!!! I don't want to think in that direction oo, because it is a very very very fearful thing most especially to the NAF and in extension the NA. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ocelot2006(m): 1:20pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
slimthugchimee2: Jesus!! I am truly a learner. Those are great ![]() ![]() |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 1:43pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
EVarn:I remember its a requirement to have a SSCE to get in the Army (but we know how bad "miracle centres" has tarnished the credibility) 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ugo4u: 1:57pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
EVarn:I watched an encounter between Nigerian troops and Bokoharam guys uploaded on YouTube, honestly speaking it was quite embarrassing how those guys where practically shooting aimlessly and shouting "e never die, e never die" !! in the video their coordination was zero, compactness zero. if you read the comments some foreign guys where making on that video ehh!!! shame will not allow you mention they're Nigerian soldiers. I'll try and post the link here later 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Litmus: 2:11pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
bidexiii: I believe in this more than the words of some recent posts. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Litmus: 2:15pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
I even wrote something similar (see below) but did not post it. Did not want it to seem in support of any government. I support Nigeria people, governments of whatever type come and go. Nigerians (Nigerians?) on social media bear some responsibility. Nigerian soldiers apparently have significant access to social media. The approach of Nigerians to politics, which is ugly and unpatriotic, informed the message sent to soldiers. These messages were overtly in favour of soldiers wellbeing but covertly against soldiers and indirectly anti Nigeria. The architects of these messages where and are individuals so morally bankrupts, they place political interest above the lives of millions of Nigerians, the Nation itself let alone the soldiers. The effect of the fake care that these Nigeria social media proponents professed for the soldiers and which was really intended to undermine the army in order to cause havoc in the nation just so that they could blame this eventuality on the government they are against, resulted in soldiers imbued with senses of entitlement anathema to the very nature of soldering. Soldiers became both mollycoddled and entitled, manifesting itself in soldiers subconsciously influenced by thoughts that they could never be wrong, no matter if they are soft, cowardly, unpatriotic, poor and so on because they could never be at fault since Nigeria the nation, under the governorship of whomever social media were against, would always be to blame, carry the can. 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by EricBloodAxe: 2:21pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
ugo4u: Lol. Old video and yeah the Nigerian army just lacked coordination as seen from their clustering together in the same place while shooting to their wasting bullets with no direct aiming. Really embarrassing ![]() Here's the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UthqsrhXc9s |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ugo4u: 2:31pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
EricBloodAxe:We really need to invest in training of our soldiers members of SBS, AFSF, 72MSF etc don't have two heads, it is just like Abba Kyari that is almost seen as a demi-cop, believe you me the police force have very intelligent officers that can do the same or even better than Kyari the difference is just that the police gives Kyari and his team the latest equipment/gadget to their job. We should invest in quality training, I still believe we have the resources to 'mass produce" quality personnel with the right equipment we just have to flip the books right from NDA and Depot because even if you give ill-trained soldiers AK-1000 it will still fall into the hands of BHT. A weapon is as good as its handler. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Litmus: 2:43pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
And yet, leadership within the army bares significant responsibility for failing to mitigate the negative effects of social media content on soldiers moral at their command. There ought be pep talks and snap meetings held for soldiers even at the warfront. Discouraging the reliance on Opia (Isoko word for magic) over training ought be part of such motivational talks. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by EVarn(m): 3:03pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Odunayaw:It is not just miracle centres alone sef, what about the "big men" in the military, who just "work" all of their acquaintances into the military, both qualified and unqualified. You see a lot of our hausa brothers who didn't even attend primary school, wielding rifles at army checkpoints. Of course, it cuts across tribes, but it's majorly from one section due to their population in the armed forces. Anyway, I think for Nigeria, and with the current failed state of our educational system, SSCE isn't even suitable for the military anymore. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 3:16pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
EVarn: ![]() All will make sense when we are truly tired |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by EVarn(m): 3:20pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
ugo4u:I think I have watched that video. They were clustered against a deep wedge along the roadside and some were trying to shoot across the road, while others were shooting in the opposite direction. I think the BH guys had them surrounded. One was even almost lying on his back while shooting, even the guy who was filming sef ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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