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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:17pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
OkCornel: I meant it has nothing to do with ENTIRE salary or wages, Just 10% of it. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MrPresident1: 9:21pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Anas09: If you establish a very strong foundation, there is nothing you cannot build on it as the superstructure; you can be modest and decide to build a bungalow, or you build a duplex, or you can build a skyscrapper, as long as the foundation is built right. Once you establish the important part of faith hope and love, other aspects will take care of themselves. The people cannot be stingy when they know the importance and benefits of giving in love. 2 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:22pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Michellekabod1:Any doctrine that doesn't go in line with the word of God is not a doctrine of God. Example is the anti-tithe or anti-firstfruit doctrine. All those who hold the doctrine can't show where God said he has stop being interested in it. But I can show you where God started receiving it before the law of Moses. This shows that the doctrine is the word of God. And as long as he hasn't said he is no longer interested in it, then no man has the right to say such for him. The doctrine holds. Or do you want to speak when God hasn't spoken? lamentations 3:37 Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not? |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 9:24pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Even those in support of tithing cannot show us where God demanded for money as tithes and firstfruits... |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 9:24pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:What is INCREASE tho? Here is how The Message Bible puts it; Honor God with everything you own; give him the first and the best. Your barns will burst, your wine vats will brim over. Good News says; Honor the Lord by making him an offering from the best of all that your land produces. First Fruit is not Tithe. The operative word here is 'First', not 'Increase'. We Pay Tithe. It is a debt. This is a partnership where we share our profits base on agreed percentage of a venture. But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day. Deuteronomy:8:18 The Lord gives you power to make wealth, in return you give Him 10%. This is Tithe. But, we give First Fruit, it's an offering. We recognise that what we have comes from God and offer to Him in honour of Him . Honor the Lord by making him an offering from the best of all that your land produces. Every harvest, the first portion goes to the Lord before you can eat or sell from it. But, in the case of salary earners, how shd First Fruit be given? |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:33pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Anas09: Please stay away from all those Bible translations. They are actually Satan's handwork in that they pervert God's word. Same thing with NIV and NLT. The only translation I recommend is the KING JAMES VERSION which is older than all these modern and Satan inspired Bibles. Research more on the. and you will see that they call Jesus Satan. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:34pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
OkCornel: I just showed you, but you chose to be blind to it. Remain blind then. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Nobody: 9:38pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Damn...am speechless 2 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 10:31pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
MrPresident1:You sound mundane. Stinginess? You make it seem like it's a gratitude thingy. No. The Kingdom of God, the Church is built on Giving. Her foundation is giving. Jesus created the Universe to give and receive. Except you want to steal, cheat, bribe, kill to make money,but if it's godly, then it must have its foundation in Giving. All the three earthly kingdoms gives and takes from each other. The Mineral kingdom, vegetable and Animal Kingdoms give and take from each other. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 10:59pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Pls leave the Bible translations out. Let's deal with the content. Every one who can read will see that they say the same thing. I am Evangelical, and i read every Bible translation. Believe me, if you read kjb only, you'd missed out on certain contents. 2 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 11:20pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
OkCornel:Oh, this guy. You don come again. You mean since our society is no longer agrarian, the ordinances of Jehovah have become obsolete? Have you ever read 'Whatever your hands finds to to do...?'. Let me ask you. In the Old Testament, how were the People who didn't leave in Jerusalem paying their Tithes and First Fruits? Were they carrying their crops from wherever they were to the Temple in Jerusalem? No sir. They sold and took the money to the Priest. Read Leviticus 27 all. It's a long read, but try to read it. there's what the Bible called redemption before Christ died. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 11:24pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
MrPresident1:I hope you know that salvation is giving? For God so loved the world that He gave... You can't preach Jesus without giving. Satan is attacking giving because he knows that that is where our freedom is. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 11:36pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
OkCornel:So you are a Christian who do not believe in what YHWH did with the Jews? Where are your roots? Oh wait. Are you a seed of Abraham? Why, are you a Jew? Are you a follower of Jesus of Nazareth? Why, are you a Jew? We do not live in an Agrarian society when everything was crops anymore, that doesn't mean God has changed or His ordinances have become obsolete. If you don't do it, then don't do it, but to condemn it is wrong. My harvest from my farm is my wages or income if i were living in the Medieval era, but, i now live in the Modern era when everything is monetary and my wage or income is salary, shouldn't i keep up with obligations because the society has changed? |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MrPresident1: 11:39pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Anas09: The foundation of God's giving was faith, hope and love, this is the foundation on which he gave Christ to us for a sacrifice. Faith, hope, and love was the foundation on which the superstructure of the death of Christ is built which provides shelter to all who come into it. 1 Like |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 11:39pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Anas09: Per the bolded, I hope you know you just lied. Money was very much in use back then! Deuterenomy 14 v 22-29 22 Thou shalt [f]give the tithe of all the increase of thy seed, that cometh forth of the field year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God (in the place which he shall choose to cause his Name to dwell there) the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstborn of thy kine, and of thy sheep, that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always. 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it, because the place is far from thee, where the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name, [g]when the Lord thy God shall bless thee, 25 Then shalt thou make it in money, and [h]take the money in thine hand, and go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose. 26 And thou shalt bestow the money for whatsoever thine heart desireth: whether it be ox, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatsoever thine heart desireth: [i]and shalt eat it there before the Lord thy God, and rejoice, both thou, and thine household. 27 And the Levite that is within thy gates, shalt thou not forsake: for he hath neither part nor inheritance with thee. 28 At the end of three years thou shalt [j]bring forth all the tithes of thine increase of the same year, and lay it up within thy gates. 29 Then the Levite shall come, because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, and shall eat, and be filled, that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest. Deuteronomy 14 v 24-26 clearly shows that tithe is NOT MONEY!!! 5 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 11:40pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Say what?? Rapture is a false doctrine? Lolzzzz. You mean the Bible didn't teach Rapture, but men? |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 11:42pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Anas09: Even in the era of Solomon where gold and silver was plentiful, it never changed the object of what was tithed? In Matthew 23 v 23; Jesus never made any reference to monetary tithes. This was after the era of Solomon. How then did tithe change from agricultural produce to money? Or are you implying God did not know what He was doing when He gave out the guidelines on tithing? 3 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 11:52pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
OkCornel:Wonderful!!! This guy. We have had 4 Eras. The Golden or Classic Era ===Abraham till Jesus. The Medieval === Agrarian=== from Jesus to the fall of Rome to the World Wars. The Renaissance Era=== Post World Wars. Modern Era === Technology. Now. Through all these Ages, things have changed, but has God? Shd his ordinances? |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 11:55pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
OkCornel:Wow. You were mean in the time of Moses some people were bankers and businessmen who earn salaries instead farm produce? |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 11:58pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Anas09: In Abraham's time, he purchased Sarah's grave using money In Joseph's time, his brothers used money to purchase food from Egypt In Moses and Aaron's time, the Israelites had enough gold to create a golden calf In Solomon's time, Money (gold and silver) was very much available. In Jesus' time, tithe was never money as per Matthew 23 v 23. Moreso, Judas betrayed him for money When God gave out His guidelines on tithe, He never requested for money. Where and how did tithe change from agro produce and livestock to money? Where did God change it? 7 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 11:59pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
MrPresident1:Yes. And First Fruit and Tithe comes from the same body of teaching which is Faith Love and Hope. We are saying the same thing. You don't do one and leave the other It begins with Love, then faith in what is done, then the hope on God. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 11:59pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Anas09: Tell me what the Israelites used in creating the "golden" calf 1 Like |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 12:01am On Jan 04, 2019 |
OkCornel:How does that connect? |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MrPresident1: 12:03am On Jan 04, 2019 |
Anas09: You are right, it begins with Love, then faith in what is done, then the hope on GOD 1 Like |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 12:04am On Jan 04, 2019 |
OkCornel:Well, i don't farm now, i work and pay my tithe and first fruits. No be by force nah. No give. Na my money nah. How dis tin dey pain una like this? Na my money |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 12:05am On Jan 04, 2019 |
OkCornel:In other words, the ordinances of God have become obsolete? |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 12:07am On Jan 04, 2019 |
Anas09: The Israelites had gold and silver in their custody at that point in time. Now move on to Deuteronomy 14 v 24-26. Money was very much in use then. If God never requested for money as tithe back then, who is requesting for money as tithe now? 3 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 12:07am On Jan 04, 2019 |
MrPresident1:You are right. Good night sir. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 12:09am On Jan 04, 2019 |
OkCornel:Just say it. God's ordinances are obsolete. Say it and rest. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 12:10am On Jan 04, 2019 |
Anas09: As regards tithing...yes. 1) It never applied to the gentiles resident outside Israel. Unless you have examples in the Bible to show us where God required gentiles to tithe 2) It never applied to Christians. Unless you have examples to show us where the Christians tithed 3) It never involved money, unless you can show us where God required money as part of titheable items. No adding to God's word to make your point 4 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by OkCornel(m): 12:12am On Jan 04, 2019 |
Anas09: Tithing and firstfruits and the other ceremonial laws of Moses are obsolete. 2 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 8:16am On Jan 04, 2019 |
Anas09: Read the below link to see what I meant. https://www.nairaland.com/4852159/rapture-not-happen-until-christians |
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