gensteejay:

This sort of discussion about God does not usually lead to any tangible conclusion. Even though I'm more of a knowledge seeker and rational thinker than a believer, I would still hold on to my belief that this universe, including our world, was designed by a Maker, but not the gods of religions who themselves are parts of this Maker.

I have not seen any logical reason to believe otherwise.

You haven't answered these questions,I wish to get a reply
Define God ?
What are God's features
How did you ascertain them ?

Hermes019:

You haven't answered these questions,I wish to get a reply
Define God ?
What are God's features
How did you ascertain them ?

I would do that in my spare time. Answering your question may lead to another lengthy argument, which I won't be able to spare any time for at the moment. Will post my comment later.

budaatum:

Believe me, the book referenced is a much better masterpiece and is very much worth the read. And the fact that gensteejay mentioned Hermeticism commands respect, though I very much doubt he read Mead's detailed study on the topic, considering his understanding of it.

When Christ said "Know ye not that ye are gods?" I would claim this book is close to giving an answer that is closer than many if properly understood. Unfortunately, its more likely to just be believed, as opposed to wringing out the lessons in it and what it implies.

I know the Book. I read it a few years ago, when I contemplated studying hermetica. I still have it here.

I must confess, I found it too hermetic ( ) for me at the time. I will give it another try, perhaps I have evolved enough to make sense out of it.

gensteejay:

I would do that in my spare time. Answering your question may lead to another lengthy argument, which I won't be able to spare any time for at the moment. Will post my comment later.

Okay,I'll be waiting

Hermes019:

Okay,I'll be waiting

Actually,he can't answer your questions because he doesn't really have the answers.
You can't really answer any question using words like First Cause/Intelligent Designer/God/The All/Deity.
'Love,God,Good,Bad' are just words.
And 'WORDS' are 'declarifications'.

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HellVictorinho:

Actually,he can't answer your questions because he doesn't really have the answers.
You can't really answer any question using words like First Cause/Intelligent Designer/God/The All/Deity.
'Love,God,Good,Bad' are just words.
And 'WORDS' are 'declarifications'.

But you said all this is meaningless now. Why bother about meaningless things

gensteejay:

But you said all this is meaningless now. Why bother about meaningless things

I said you shouldn't have taken that statement literally!!!!!!
'"Everything"' in that statement actually referred to the 'Totality of Possibilities' which doesn't imply LOGIC.
There are possibilities that are 'declarifications' while some are in conflict with one another as regards their functional consequences.
But this doesn't really mean there is a finite number of possibilities.

HellVictorinho:

I said you shouldn't have taken that statement literally!!!!!!
'"Everything"' in that statement actually referred to the 'Totality of Possibilities' which doesn't imply LOGIC.
There are possibilities that are 'declarifications' while some are in conflict with one another as regards their functional consequences.
But this doesn't really mean there is a finite number of possibilities.

I still fail to see the significance, whether philosophically or logically, of all these things you say here. How does the totality of possibilities flies in the face of logic?

People find the sum total of everything: material things, variables, celestial objects, etc. The Greek letter, sigma (capital letter), is typically used in the sciences for this.

So, what are you actually saying here?

gensteejay:

I still fail to see the significance, whether philosophically or logically, of all these things you say here. How does the totality of possibilities flies in the face of logic?

People find the sum total of everything: material things, variables, celestial objects, etc. The Greek letter, sigma (capital letter), is typically used in the sciences for this.

So, what are you actually saying here?

Mathematics can't determine certain things.
I hope you know that.
And the 'Totality' here represents the actuality of their co-existence.

[quoe author=Martinez19 post=74329260] Nobody knows who or what created everything that exists. [/quote] But the bible gave a concrete prove on how God created everything on earth with the power of words

Nwaikuku2:
[quoe author=Martinez19 post=74329260] Nobody knows who or what created everything that exists. But the bible gave a concrete prove on how God created everything on earth with the power of words

Everything u say ?,very well,on what day did Yahweh create bacteria ?

Nwaikuku2:
But the bible gave a concrete prove on how God created everything on earth with the power of words

This is just nonsense

johnydon22:
This is just nonsense

It's comedy.

Seun:
I guess the main problem with the atheist position is its unpopularity.

We can fix that by engaging religious people in constructive conversations more often. Helping them to see that not only is there no good reason to believe that any God or gods exist, but that we can have better morals, success, happiness, health, family lives, etc in our societies without believing in any God or gods.

Regarding the bolded...I engaged in this debate on fb months ago so I think that will be impossible.. Wont it? Because I think some people are just evil so they need to be controlled unfortunately with fear..Fear of the unknown, Fear of the future, Fear does the job, Fear of eternity.

What an Atheist needs is hardcore evidence right? Some undeniable truth that will drop jaws:

https://www.nairaland.com/4998253/death-proof-higher-power-god