BraniacX:
I can only speak for myself, i posed you some questions earlier that i require your P.O.V answers on, while i wait for that, my argument has always been driving towards this, conservatism in the American context as an ideology has never been meant to benefit people generally, capitalism is a false pretext used to bolster the conservative argument when you've never been purely capitalist

Liberalism is a movement towards chaos. Where one can be male at 9am and decide he is female at 11am back to male at 3pm
I am sure you will be glad to have your daughter share a bathroom with one of such

That surely benefits people. WHat benefits people is to encourage them to push themselves to the limit, make innovations and keep the money you make from it. How many communist scientists fled to the US vs those who fled the other way

I play chess, Do you know how many grandmasters from the communist countries have fled and become Americans?

I see you try to mention Socialism a lot, How are the Venezuela, Cuban, Eastern European Russian economies faring under these ideologies

raumdeuter:


The US is a very different country from Scandinavia,

Scandinavia are almost homogenous in ethnicity, religion and their size is about the size of 2 American states

America is the center of world innovation and most of the advances and innovation happen in America this is fuelled by the American capitalist and entreprenuer mind.

The world depend on American inventions. While America is not the world most populous country it is still the country that wins the most Science Nobels in the world. Many of these people are actually those who fled Socialist economies to US and realize their academic potentials

Scandinavia if you must know didnt start out as socialist, they were very capitalist until the 60s when they shifted, now tell me since 1970 how many innovations have come from Scandinavia vs from the US

that is why its proven that US citizens of Nordic ancestry are doing better than their cousins who stayed back

Socialism has been known to encourage lazines ancuba is is practicable in a country that has more natural resources than population

The entire population of all Denmark Sweden Finland Iceland Norway is less than 30M, The US is about 10 times of that

that excuse doesn't fly my brother, innovation was never pioneered exclusively by the US capitalists, even in the US innovation is more government finance driven than private capitalist endeavors driven! Don't buy into false narratives so easily, outside the US, many countries have contributed immensely in research and innovation mostly government backed even some third world countries e.g cuba is cutting close to finding a cure for HIV
The innovations isn't the base of our discussions here, we are talking about development indices like healthcare, education, life expectancy e.t.c because if we shift to innovation those countries do not stand a chance when compared to the US because of the disparity in spending power so government money is what fuels your innovative edge so much so that a scientist in any of these countries is more likely to relocate to the US to carry out the research but these countries still do their best and punch above their weights when compared and thats also why a very large portion of researchers and scientists based in the US are foreigners from India to Iran to Europe to Australia to Africa not home grown as your education system as championed by conservative ideologies can hardly unearth the geniuses among the have nots

And please, please, can you show me the overall benefits of your more hard work as an american compared to Scandinavians whom you term lazier in any parameter say income per capita? Don't push narratives you haven't personally researched and vetted please

raumdeuter:


Read through this page and see the juveniles on here and tell us if that is representative of liberals if that is true then you see that they are sick in the head

That is why the war on drugs need to be taken seriously

One of your folks is threatening to splash parents pictures, Please tell what does that address? Is it a strange concept to liberals that people have parents and families?

Imagine someone saying BraniacX, I will splash your mother's pictures on here. Don't you think that is a sign of insanity?

I live in the US, there are many blacks who live in the US there have been some who have posted on this thread who do not see all these race baitings by liberals of how black people are killed daily.

You call it race baiting?
Seriously? well i pray you never fall victim, if you're really black (sorry, I now have doubts) what is your explanation for average black family per capita income being multiple up to ten times less than average white family per capita income?

raumdeuter:


Liberalism is a movement towards chaos. Where one can be male at 9am and decide he is female at 11am back to male at 3pm
I am sure you will be glad to have your daughter share a bathroom with one of such

That surely benefits people. WHat benefits people is to encourage them to push themselves to the limit, make innovations and keep the money you make from it. How many communist scientists fled to the US vs those who fled the other way

I play chess, Do you know how many grandmasters from the communist countries have fled and become Americans?

I see you try to mention Socialism a lot, How are the Venezuela, Cuban, Eastern European Russian economies faring under these ideologies

asides from Venezuela and Cuba, the Russian-eastern European block which once constituted the soviet block are slowly recovering from the catastrophic collapse of the 90's and i am not emphasizing on socialism, i am emphasizing on models that are the most successful e.g mixed capitalism-socialism models

And on Venezuela and Cuba we can never honestly tell how successful they could have been without constant and persistent US sabotage and subversion now can we? Speaking of which, what say you about previously socialist and prosperous Libya post US intervention?

BraniacX:
that excuse doesn't fly my brother, innovation was never pioneered exclusively by the US capitalists, even in the US innovation is more government finance driven than private capitalist endeavors driven! Don't buy into false narratives so easily, outside the US, many countries have contributed immensely in research and innovation mostly government backed even some third world countries e.g cuba is cutting close to finding a cure for HIV
The innovations isn't the base of our discussions here, we are talking about development indices like healthcare, education, life expectancy e.t.c because if we shift to innovation those countries do not stand a chance when compared to the US because of the disparity in spending power so government money is what fuels your innovative edge so much so that a scientist in any of these countries is more likely to relocate to the US to carry out the research but these countries still do their best and punch above their weights when compared and thats also why a very large portion of researchers and scientists based in the US are foreigners from India to Iran to Europe to Australia to Africa not home grown as your education system as championed by conservative ideologies can hardly unearth the geniuses among the have nots

And please, please, can you show me the overall benefits of your more hard work as an american compared to Scandinavians whom you term lazier in any parameter say income per capita? Don't push narratives you haven't personally researched and vetted please

There are innovations driven by govt especially in the military and many by civilians, Look at your technology and Silicon valley, that shows the power of American innovation and capitalism

This education you are talking about, how many innovations has it brought from these Nordic countries? Its easy to have all those fancy things when you sit on a bunker of oil and only have 30M people.

That is why the country can afford to take 6months holiday in a year and have this long life expectancy. Others dont have it easy they have to pay for it

he son of Dangote will also ask why you have to worry yourself and work

BraniacX:

You call it race baiting?
Seriously? well i pray you never fall victim, if you're really black (sorry, I now have doubts) what is your explanation for average black family per capita income being multiple up to ten times less than average white family per capita income?

And where can you not fall victim of violence in the world?

How can you explain that Asian families actually have higher family per capita income than whites?

Or this racism doesn't affect Patel, Chang and Nguyen?

That is the problem when you see everything through the lens of racism

BraniacX:
you're right but reality is much worse than that, the problem with that there exists Africans and African Americans who can't for the life if me comprehend that their existence is under threat, some immunization programs here in Africa are cover ups for western sterilization endeavors as was exposed in east Africa some years back

Look at it this way, how come over 90% of African Americans voted against Trump ?. We must all be libtards according to the brainstem interloper. Look at what the Dotard said about Millionaires and Multi Millionaires Black NFL players kneeling in protest against the injustice being perpetrated on their people. Look at him Calling LeBron James who invested over $40 million of his money to start a school in Akron , Ohio or think of Trump calling Jayzee, Congresswoman Walters, Don Lemon and other Blacks of note "Dumb". The bastard is a vile racist and you get some Uncle Tom parabulating all over America doing some odd jobs licking his fat Orange a*s. If the Racist pig can despise Obama with all Obama's achievement in life calling him an African , the foool doesn't think the Orange pig will think of him as a subhuman mongrel invading his country. That's the kind of people we deal with on Nairaland supporting the vile racist. That's my main grouse against Trump and i know his chapter in America will end on a negative note.

Running to his friends as usual, Yankee blood ain't this cowardly... What a diaster.

raumdeuter:


There are innovations driven by govt especially in the military and many by civilians, Look at your technology and Silicon valley, that shows the power of American innovation and capitalism

This education you are talking about, how many innovations has it brought from these Nordic countries? Its easy to have all those fancy things when you sit on a bunker of oil and only have 30M people.

That is why the country can afford to take 6months holiday in a year and have this long life expectancy. Others dont have it easy they have to pay for it

he son of Dangote will also ask why you have to worry yourself and work

your country can afford it too and that is my point, if your conservatives stop angling for a large disparity between the rich and the poor you can have it too! It will only leave you much less money to research war and weapons of destruction so guess which has always ever been the priority of your conservative leaders and think thanks between equitable wealth distribution with its resultant societal benefits via improved development indices and military excellence?

Abbeybailey:
Look at it this way, how come over 90% of African Americans voted against Trump ?. We must all be libtards according to the brainstem interloper. Look at what the Dotard said about Millionaires and Multi Millionaires Black NFL players kneeling in protest against the injustice being perpetrated on their people. Look at him Calling LeBron James who invested over $40 million of his money to start a school in Akron , Ohio or think of Trump calling Jaycee, Congresswoman Walters, Don Lemon and other Blacks of note "Dumb". The bastard is a vile racist and you get some Uncle Tom parabulating all over America doing some odd jobs licking his fat Orange a*s. If the Racist pig can despise Obama with all Obama's achievement in life calling him an African , the foool doesn't think the Orange pig will think of him as a subhuman mongrel invading his country. That's the kind of people we deal with on Nairaland supporting the vile racist. That's my main grouse against Trump and i know his chapter in America will end in a negative note.

Donald balls won't lick themselves.

BraniacX:
asides from Venezuela and Cuba, the Russian-eastern European block which once constituted the soviet block are slowly recovering from the catastrophic collapse of the 90's and i am not emphasizing on socialism, i am emphasizing on models that are the most successful e.g mixed capitalism-socialism models

And on Venezuela and Cuba we can never honestly tell how successful they could have been without constant and persistent US sabotage and subversion now can we? Speaking of which, what say you about previously socialist and prosperous Libya post US intervention?

When people fail they find a way to blame someone. So its now sabotage, How come the eastern bloc couldnt sabotage the west?

Russia was the Anti capitalist superpower model, It failed and they have to start embracing Capitalism. the entire Eastern bloc was under its rule and failed

Okay lets take a country Germany. Same people same climate, Socialist East Germany vs Capitalist West Germany. Which one failed and which survived? Why is it that East Germans will rather die trying to cross to the west.

Same people same climate same opportunities. different ideologies one failed one succeded
Same with North vs South Korea

schwarzkopf:
Running to his friends as usual, Yankee blood ain't this cowardly... What a diaster.

Gutless coward indeed. Don't we have a history with these bum showing his idiocy at every turn. I am ready and loaded for him.

schwarzkopf:


Donald balls won't lick themselves.

I guess you are right. Ain't licking no one's balls especially a fat Orange pig with smelly fat behind. God forbid.

raumdeuter:


And where can you not fall victim of violence in the world?

How can you explain that Asian families actually have higher family per capita income than whites?

Or this racism doesn't affect Patel, Chang and Nguyen?

That is the problem when you see everything through the lens of racism

Asian families earn higher per capita income than whites? Really? Educate me on this because i haven't come across this before and the answer to my question which you know but are tactfully dodging is yes, racism plays a massive role in the disparity in per capita income between white and black families, not just individual racism but systemic government policed racism such ad district redlining

BraniacX:
your country can afford it too and that is my point, if your conservatives stop angling for a large disparity between the rich and the poor you can have it too! It will only leave you much less money to research war and weapons of destruction so guess which has always ever been the priority of your conservative leaders and think thanks between equitable wealth distribution with its resultant societal benefits via improved development indices and military excellence?

We are shielding cash all over the world like it's going out of fashion. I did some shit in our base in Hohenfels Germany mehn, we are doling out greens like it's useless, the military base there is bigger than some average size European cities. Guess what? We doling out millions of green backs to rent that place from the German government plus the logistic department is shitting out 400,000 in a month, salaries, armory maintenance and other cost ain't included at only one base in Germany. Put that cost to our bases all over Europe and the middle east and elsewhere.

Abbeybailey:
Gutless coward indeed. Don't we have a history with these bum showing his idiocy at every turn. I am ready and loaded for him.

Lols they work with the authorities on this board to get anyone against them off.

BraniacX:
Asian families earn higher per capita income than whites? Really? Educate me on this because i haven't come across this before and the answer to my question which you know but are tactfully dodging is yes, racism plays a massive role in the disparity in per capita income between white and black families, not just individual racism but systemic government policed racism such ad district redlining

The illiterate don't read books like their fauxs news gumping god.

BraniacX:
your country can afford it too and that is my point, if your conservatives stop angling for a large disparity between the rich and the poor you can have it too! It will only leave you much less money to research war and weapons of destruction so guess which has always ever been the priority of your conservative leaders and think thanks between equitable wealth distribution with its resultant societal benefits via improved development indices and military excellence?

America didnt become the best country by taking from the rich and giving to the poor, That was what got Russia, Poland East Germany into problems

Rather America told you that work hard, innovate, make money and keep it. That is why Americans are encouraged to think innovate and become the best

Wars are necesary because Conservatives dont live in Utopia, there are people wiling to hurt you and you dont have to have wronged them before they try to hurt you, especially when you are succesful, and the strongest

Liberal are the ones with a delusional view of the world, A liberal will think maybe if we go around the world on an apology tour, beg them, open our country to them, send them our money maybe they will give us peace

BraniacX:
your country can afford it too and that is my point, if your conservatives stop angling for a large disparity between the rich and the poor you can have it too! It will only leave you much less money to research war and weapons of destruction so guess which has always ever been the priority of your conservative leaders and think thanks between equitable wealth distribution with its resultant societal benefits via improved development indices and military excellence?

Look at the last tax cuts for Multi billion $ corporations and Billionaires and millionaires are permanent while the tax cuts for the Middle class is temporary. What do that tell you about Republicon Trickle down economics that almost bankrupted the US in 2008 and its happening now. It's already add 11/2 Trillion Dollars to the debt in less than 2 years of him at the helm. I have lost about 10% in my 401k in the last two weeks. In Lasgidi now and i have to call my Funds manager to sell some of my stocks and to buy Municipal Bonds and I Bonds with some. I lost 80% of my 401k retirement funds during the last year of the last Republican president George Bush. That's how good the Republicons are with economy, destroying it and Trump is doing the same thing with his stupid tariffs with China not knowing the burden will fall on American consumers who will pay more.

raumdeuter:


When people fail they find a way to blame someone. So its now sabotage, How come the eastern bloc couldnt sabotage the west?

Russia was the Anti capitalist superpower model, It failed and they have to start embracing Capitalism. the entire Eastern bloc was under its rule and failed

Okay lets take a country Germany. Same people same climate, Socialist East Germany vs Capitalist West Germany. Which one failed and which survived? Why is it that East Germans will rather die trying to cross to the west.

Same people same climate same opportunities. different ideologies one failed one succeded
Same with North vs South Korea

yes Russia was a military, scientific and political power, just not an economic superpower like the US and the Russian Politburo in its later stages was not as ideologically socialist as in its earlier stages hence the corruption which the US was able to exploit to their collapse, a capitalist or mixed economy is better equipped to absorb the negative effects of corruption than a purely socialist economy, same applies to all the other dichotomies you mentioned

BraniacX:
Asian families earn higher per capita income than whites? Really? Educate me on this because i haven't come across this before and the answer to my question which you know but are tactfully dodging is yes, racism plays a massive role in the disparity in per capita income between white and black families, not just individual racism but systemic government policed racism such ad district redlining

Why is this racism not affecting Asian American family income

Why is this racism not affecting the Patels, Nguyens, and Changs

BraniacX:
yes Russia was a military, scientific and political power, just not an economic superpower like the US and the Russian Politburo in its later stages was not as ideologically socialist as in its earlier stages hence the corruption which the US was able to exploit to their collapse, a capitalist or mixed economy is better equipped to absorb the negative effects of corruption than a purely socialist economy, same applies to all the other dichotomies you mentioned

Tell why
capitalist West Germany prospered economically and Socialist East Germany failed
Capitalist South Korea prospered economically and Socialist North Korea failed

Same people same race

Abbeybailey:
Look at the last tax cuts for Multi billion $ corporations and Billionaires and millionaires are permanent while the tax cuts for the Middle class is temporary. What do that tell you about Republicon Trickle down economics that almost bankrupted the US in 2008 and its happening now. It's already add 11/2 Trillion Dollars to the debt in less than 2 years of him at the helm. I have lost about 10% in my 401k in the last two weeks. In Lasgidi now and i have to call my Funds manager to sell some of my stocks and to buy Municipal Bonds and I Bonds with some. I lost 80% of my 401k retirement funds during the last year of the last Republican president George Bush. That's how good the Republicons are with economy, destroying it and Trump is doing the same thing with his stupid tariffs with China not knowing the burden will fall on American consumers who will pay more.

Reagonomics unfortunately never work in the long term, conservatives stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that in their pursuit of short term profits

Liberal: My ideology A is right
Conservative: My ideology B is right

Liberal: I insist my ideology A is right
Conservative: I insist my ideology B is right

Liberal 1: If you don't agree with me I will post your parents picture
Liberal 2: Since you don't agree with me you are a poor $40k a yr making asslicker

BraniacX is this how liberalism works?

This is a very important question needing an answer

schwarzkopf:


Lols they work with the authorities on this board to get anyone against them off.

I told you the Mods are their pals. They will call us all kind of names and they get away with it but once you pay them back the fvcking gutless bums will run to their friendly Mods. The hell with them all. This Uptown boy is a warrior. Ain't no Jesus Christ, you slap me , I will slap you twice harder . That's the way you can survive where i grew up if not they will take your lunch money away from you. Ain't no punk.

Abbeybailey:
It never works during Reagan and it never works during Bush Jnr. I am even afraid to open up my Ariel Investment Funds and see what's happening me and to so many Americans because that's our retirement funds. Republicans will damage the economy like Bush Snr did after Reagan and Clinton came in and fix it the same way Obama fixed the damage of Bush Jnr and Trump is on his way to damage it too.

Tanked Oklahoma and Kansas too, Conservatism is a brain disease and max 10 years and it will be an ideals loathed like the Jim Crow in this country and all it adherence will be loathed like the Slave masters.

raumdeuter:


America didnt become the best country by taking from the rich and giving to the poor, That was what got Russia, Poland East Germany into problems

Rather America told you that work hard, innovate, make money and keep it. That is why Americans are encouraged to think innovate and become the best

Wars are necesary because Conservatives dont live in Utopia, there are people wiling to hurt you and you dont have to have wronged them before they try to hurt you, especially when you are succesful, and the strongest

Liberal are the ones with a delusional view of the world, A liberal will think maybe if we go around the world on an apology tour, beg them, open our country to them, send them our money maybe they will give us peace

Putting history in context, America did take from the rich to give to the poor just the poor of European descent, from stealing native american lands and doling multiple hectares to poor European farmers, to hundreds of years of unpaid slave labour, to the post great depression government urban housing schemes for exclusively white people to redlining colored districts with resultant paucity in loans and depreciation of property worth, to blatant theft of black intellectual properties via the white run patent office I can go on and on so do you get the broad picture? I even forgot to mention outright destruction of areas of black prosperity like black wall street in Tulsa where not a dime in insurance claim was paid with government backing

Abbeybailey:
I told you the Mods are their pals. They will call us all kind of names and they get away with it but once you pay them back the fvcking gutless bums will run to their friendly Mods. The hell with them all. This Uptown boy is a warrior. Ain't no Jesus Christ, you slap me , I will slap you twice harder . That's the way you can survive where i grew up if not they will take your lunch money away from you. Ain't no punk.

Lols to hell with all of em.

raumdeuter:


Why is this racism not affecting Asian American family income

Why is this racism not affecting the Patels, Nguyens, and Changs

This i have to query but i will accept provisionally, what would your explanation for that be, black laziness?