EVarn:
Stinginess and lack of proper maintenance culture will not allow us acquire Sukhois. At least thank God for the current CAS, things are better in terms of operational efficiency.

In any case, I think acquiring Saab Gripens will be much better than JF-17s. It may be a bit more expensive, but from what we know, it's has a very high range, low cost of maintenance and a higher payload. And of course, from my knowledge of Swedish internal politics, there will be little to no bottlenecks because those guys are very willing to assist us fight terrorism.

If we want to buy cheap single engine fighters, then at least we should buy good ones, not experimental products. The JF17 is good, but I think the Gripen is better. Half a dozen Yak-130 will also do a lot to improve ground attack capabilities if we want to go the twin engine route, certainly better than those turbo-props we bought for 2/3 of a billion dollars.

patches689:


Location is a question for senior officers. Why it wasn’t poorly defended is a question for junior officers.

It seems Nigeria is following the only really effective COIN strategy there is - take, hold, clear. except Boko decided to try to interrupt the “hold” stage

Read the reports @frumentus posted - they are very detailed

GabrielYulaw:


Great analysis.

EVarn:


In any case, I think acquiring Saab Gripens will be much better than JF-17s. It may be a bit more expensive, but from what we know, it's has a very high range, low cost of maintenance and a higher payload. And of course, from my knowledge of Swedish internal politics, there will be little to no bottlenecks because those guys are very willing to assist us fight terrorism.

Henry240:


If you're talking about the Gripen E/F, it's a better aircraft than the JF-17 Block II.

The Gripen C/D and the JF-17 thunder are the same type of aircraft, similar weight class and similar capabilities. The JF-17 has a better combat range than the C/D.

The C/D only has a slightly better payload than the JF-17 Block II.

The Gripen uses an American engine, so the Americans would veto any sale.

The Gripen C/D is not better than the JF-17 Block II.

You need to conduct better research.

Henry240:
Cameroun BIR

French soldiers/contractor embedded with BIR in operations against separatists.

Henry240:
Nigerian Air Force MI-35p

Odunayaw:
2 stub on the wings indicate Mi35m

patches689:


Location is a question for senior officers. Why it wasn’t poorly defended is a question for junior officer

Read the reports @frumentus posted - they are very detailed
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GeneralFarouq:
post the link, pls

GabrielYulaw:


Reports not seen. Send links please.

Henry240:


If you're talking about the Gripen E/F, it's a better aircraft than the JF-17 Block II.

The Gripen C/D and the JF-17 thunder are the same type of aircraft, similar weight class and similar capabilities. The JF-17 has a better combat range than the C/D.

The C/D only has a slightly better payload than the JF-17 Block II.

The Gripen uses an American engine, so the Americans would veto any sale.

The Gripen C/D is not better than the JF-17 Block II.

You need to conduct better research.

EVarn:

In general, the Gripen is a tested aircraft, and has superior avionics

Henry240:
For educational purposes, here's a side by side comparison between the JF-17 Block II and the Gripen.

The information is gotten from open-sources.

It makes you wonder why anyone can comfortably claim the Gripen C/D is superior to the JF-17 Block II.

Henry240:

Before i proceed, can you post the evidence that supports your claim that the Gripen gas superior avionics over the JF-17?

The Gripen C/D engine is a license produced F-18’s General Electric F404-GE-400.

kikuyu1:


Fyi,a 6 inch foam mattress on the floor can surprisingly MITIGATE shrapnel effect but ofc not completely.

EVarn:

Information about these platforms are open source. The

The Gripen engine is not exactly a "license produced" GE F404-GE-400, it is merely modelled after it. I think there is a difference.

EVarn:

Information about these platforms are open source. The Gripen's advanced data link alone is enough to put it above the JF17. With the Gripen, there is little need for AWACS, pilots can communicate with each other and ground forces, and even feedback data to CCC at real-time. This is a very big advantage for CAS operations.

EVarn:

Information about these platforms are
Other factors like higher payload, better maneuverability, and the fact that a team can fuel and arm the fighters in less than 10 minutes cannot be downplayed. Saying the JF-17 II is better than the Gripen C/D is not factual.

The Gripen engine is not exactly a "license produced" GE F404-GE-400, it is merely modelled after it. I think there is a difference.

EVarn:

Information about these platforms are open source. The e.

Henry240:

Can you show evidence that the JF-17 cannot be refuelled and rearmed in 10 minutes?

nemesis8u:



What to know jf17 required turnaround time ?
Given u r expectations u will have a heart attack
So I am withholding

Henry240:


Volvo-Flygmotor RM12—a derivative of the F/A-18’s General Electric F404-GE-400. It’s a myth that Sweden developed the Gripen entirely on its own, a lot of the technologies like the engine, were outsourced to keep costs down

Henry240:
Nothing great about his analysis.

Henry240:


What evidence do you have to support the Gripen gas a better data-link than the JF-17?

EVarn:
Uncle, you have been typing in fluent English since, so I assume you understand the language. When they say something is a "derivative" of something, what does it mean?. Does that mean that the RM12 and the F404-GE-400 are the same engines?. Heck, China does the same thing with their fighter jet engines all the time, the recent WS-15 is a derivative(almost a total knockoff) of the Russian R-79V-300, that doesn't make it the exact same thing.


If we want to use the argument that the Gripen wasn't entirely built by Sweden, we can say the same for the JF17 which is heavily dependent on Chinese engine and avionics. I don't see that as an issue as it doesn't affect the efficiency.

EVarn:
Come on boss, this is something that is on public domain. It has even been discussed exhaustively on this thread. The Gripen has one of the best data-link system in the world. Something we can't say for the JF17, most of the info we have about the JF17 is speculative and sometimes exaggerated.