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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GabrielYulaw(m): 11:50am On Jan 05, 2019 |
EVarn: Great analysis. ![]() |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GabrielYulaw(m): 11:56am On Jan 05, 2019 |
patches689: Reports not seen. Send links please. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:11pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
GabrielYulaw:Nothing great about his analysis. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:11pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
EVarn: If you're talking about the Gripen E/F, it's a better aircraft than the JF-17 Block II. The Gripen C/D and the JF-17 thunder are the same type of aircraft, similar weight class and similar capabilities. The JF-17 has a better combat range than the C/D. The C/D only has a slightly better payload than the JF-17 Block II. The Gripen uses an American engine, so the Americans would veto any sale. The Gripen C/D is not better than the JF-17 Block II. You need to conduct better research. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 12:15pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
Henry240: I wonder why he said this (Who operates the Gripen C/D?) It’s a proven platform, it is cheaper to buy and cheaper to operate. Ps: the engines are Swedish (volvo) 5 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Arabique: 12:15pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
Henry240:the French government did not send in troop to support the fight against BH but will send in troops to support the fight against anglophone separatists... Nigeria is joking... And we think the rest of the world is also joking... All the conspiracy theories known in the book are becoming the reality in West Africa |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:19pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
Cameroon BIR DMR
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:21pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 12:35pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
Henry240:2 stub on the wings indicate Mi35m 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:43pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
Odunayaw:Yup, you're correct. I didn't notice it. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GeneralFarouq: 12:54pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
patches689:post the link, pls |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 1:25pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
GeneralFarouq: GabrielYulaw: https://peccaviconsulting./2018/09/17/battle-of-the-fobs-boko-haram-iswaps-2018-rainy-season-offensive-1/ https://peccaviconsulting./2018/09/27/battle-of-the-fobs-boko-haram-iswaps-2018-rainy-season-offensive-2/ https://peccaviconsulting./2018/11/30/game-changers-in-the-north-eastern-nigerian-security-situation/ |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by EVarn(m): 1:30pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
Henry240:Well, I may be mistaken, but from what we know, gripen engine is Swedish, not American, unless Lockheed has somehow bought Volvo without the world knowing. Part of the avionics have American input though. Another point is, I don't think the current US administration will veto the sales of gripens to Nigeria. Trump's policy direction isn't like Obama's. In general, the Gripen is a tested aircraft, and has superior avionics and far higher payload(6500kg compared to JF17's 3,800kg or so), a very short turn around maintenance time too. We don't even know if the JF17's we are ordering comes with AESA, we don't know the block we are ordering. So yes, I think the Gripen C/D is better than the JF-17 II. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:55pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
EVarn:Before i proceed, can you post the evidence that supports your claim that the Gripen gas superior avionics over the JF-17? The Gripen C/D engine is a license produced F-18’s General Electric F404-GE-400. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:07pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
For educational purposes, here's a side by side comparison between the JF-17 Block II and the Gripen. The information is gotten from open-sources. It makes you wonder why anyone can comfortably claim the Gripen C/D is superior to the JF-17 Block II. ![]() ![]()
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:09pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 2:39pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
Henry240:Lol This was debunked by JLN (the devil is in the details) - having inflated and misleading stats. Example: Henry’s infographic lists the jf-17s payload as 5 tonnes when it is actually 3tonnes https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/fc1xiaolongjf17thund/ It’s just another case of Henry120s obsession forcing him to dishonesty. 4 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by EVarn(m): 2:58pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
Henry240:Information about these platforms are open source. The Gripen's advanced data link alone is enough to put it above the JF17. With the Gripen, there is little need for AWACS, pilots can communicate with each other and ground forces, and even feedback data to CCC at real-time. This is a very big advantage for CAS operations. Other factors like higher payload, better maneuverability, and the fact that a team can fuel and arm the fighters in less than 10 minutes cannot be downplayed. Saying the JF-17 II is better than the Gripen C/D is not factual. The Gripen engine is not exactly a "license produced" GE F404-GE-400, it is merely modelled after it. I think there is a difference. 4 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:15pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by CaptainStephen(m): 5:25pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
kikuyu1:yeah I know ![]() 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:31pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
EVarn: Volvo-Flygmotor RM12—a derivative of the F/A-18’s General Electric F404-GE-400. It’s a myth that Sweden developed the Gripen entirely on its own, a lot of the technologies like the engine, were outsourced to keep costs down |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:32pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
EVarn: What evidence do you have to support the Gripen gas a better data-link than the JF-17? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:33pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
EVarn:Can you show evidence that the JF-17 cannot be refuelled and rearmed in 10 minutes? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:35pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
EVarn:I told you the JF-17 Block II and the Gripen C/D have similar capabilities. I did not tell you one is better than the other. If you insist i said otherwise, provide proof. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:55pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 5:57pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
Henry240: Can you show us it can? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:01pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
nemesis8u:I said they're similar aircrafts. With complimentary capabilities. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by EVarn(m): 6:11pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
Henry240:Uncle, you have been typing in fluent English since, so I assume you understand the language. When they say something is a "derivative" of something, what does it mean?. Does that mean that the RM12 and the F404-GE-400 are the same engines?. Heck, China does the same thing with their fighter jet engines all the time, the recent WS-15 is a derivative(almost a total knockoff) of the Russian R-79V-300, that doesn't make it the exact same thing. If we want to use the argument that the Gripen wasn't entirely built by Sweden, we can say the same for the JF17 which is heavily dependent on Chinese engine and avionics. I don't see that as an issue as it doesn't affect the efficiency. 4 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GabrielYulaw(m): 6:12pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
Henry240:Hahaha ![]() |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by EVarn(m): 6:21pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
Henry240:Come on boss, this is something that is on public domain. It has even been discussed exhaustively on this thread. The Gripen has one of the best data-link system in the world. Something we can't say for the JF17, most of the info we have about the JF17 is speculative and sometimes exaggerated. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:23pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
EVarn:It clearly says the engine is outsourced. The JF-17 is a Chinese fighter jet. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:24pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
EVarn:Yeah, where's the evidence? |
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