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Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 9:44am On Jan 06, 2019 |
fasho01: The below link is compelling enough to the meek and humble who are willing to obey the word of God. https://www.nairaland.com/4938431/it-not-law-moses-god |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by ecstasy357(m): 9:45am On Jan 06, 2019 |
You made a lot of sense. As a matter of fact, I think you r correct but the term "once saved is forever saved" is making so many of us live in sin. We've been asked to work out our salvation with fear n trembling. According to u, to make it desirable by others. Also I think that we ought not to get carried away by d things of this world that we will not b found wanting...hence d fear n trembling in working out. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Feranmi4christ(m): 9:49am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Bro, I don't have time for argument about your post, but this your comment pushed me... What a deep heresy is this! Don't ever tell me the Holy Spirit thought you this, why do you people love to twist the scripture by your canal knowledge to suit your taste? You people love to bring down the standard of God to suit your standard and by that confusing and misleading people. Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 9:51am On Jan 06, 2019 |
1StopRudeness: The last phrase in verse 2 below shows that they can only not be saved if they believed in vain i.e the preaching given to them didn't hold in their heart or was not successful. Go and look for the meaning of the phrase in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul was not talking about salvation when he said standing lest we fall. He was warning against thinking one is too perfect as a Christian, a thing that can lead to falling into temptation. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 9:53am On Jan 06, 2019 |
Feranmi4christ: I was expecting a robust response. You just left me hanging. You didn't even prove how I quoted that passage wrongly. Na wah for you o. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by BigBudi(m): 9:54am On Jan 06, 2019 |
On point OP! As simple as the TRUE GOSPEL is, to those who are PREDESTINED...it's also a HUGE stumbling BLOCK to the damned. The doctrine of one losing his/her Salvation is from the pit of HELL. If you believe you can loose your Salvation then you weren't saved in the first place! 2 Likes |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by femichill: 9:54am On Jan 06, 2019 |
I correct 10 vs 12 is clear on this. Let him that thinketh he standeth take heed, lest he fall. This shows someone can fall and might not rise again. The Bible is also clear that it is better not to be born than taste of the kingdom of God and depart thereof. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 9:57am On Jan 06, 2019 |
ecstasy357: If we sin, God will chasten us because he loves us. Do you want God to keep spanking you every time? No, that's why we stay away from sin, not because we think sin will prevent us from heaven. Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by diadem10: 9:57am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Heb 10:38 says the Just shall live by faith but if any man draws back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. Revised standard version says the righteous shall live by faith. What does it mean to be righteous? It's to be sanctified and this sanctification is done by your faith in Christ Jesus. Once you're sanctified, your body becomes numb to your previous sin. Your desire for worldly things becomes quenched without any work from you. However, if you later draw back by not taking cognizance of the things you indulge in/sinful friends you mingle with, you're already drawing back which you may not know at first until you're sucked back into your previous sin while your sanctified soul gets corrupted (the scripture says bad communication corrupt good manners and also, we should flee from every apperances of evil). With your heresis, you're depriving people from actualising this complete work of salvation. If you were sanctified, you wouldn't even create this thread to start with. 2 Likes |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Nobody: 10:03am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: What happened to the other part of my comment about Jesus and those he will say" I knew you not". Are u dodging that one?? |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by femichill: 10:03am On Jan 06, 2019 |
Can the op explain 1 Peter 4: 17-19 |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:03am On Jan 06, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: Stay tuned. ![]() |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 10:04am On Jan 06, 2019 |
femichill:The verse is not talking about falling out if salvation. Or where is salvation written there? It is simply telling us not to think we are perfect lest we fall into sin. Mocking rapists and thieves because you don't do such is very dangerous. You might end up falling by doing the same. Peter boasted never to deny Jesus. He fell by denying Jesus. Do you now understand? |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by diadem10: 10:05am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Lmao. The apostles also preached of repentance. In fact Paul said he keeps his body under so that he wouldn't be a cast away on the last day even after preaching the gospel to many. You can't sieve out and take whatever you like in the scripture. The word of God will never change. You can't say you're sanctified and have the Spirit of God in you yet still embroiled in your sins and filthiness. The scripture says by their fruit, we shall know them. You need to repent first before you can be saved. God would never sanctify filthy body unto himself. 1 Like |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 10:06am On Jan 06, 2019 |
BigBudi:May God bless you brother. I weep at the number of those who hold that false doctrine. It shows the amount of those going to hell are many. I weep the more when they reject the true gospel. I blame the false prophets called Daddy GOs who have sold them a false gospel. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by generalpeter: 10:08am On Jan 06, 2019 |
Mk17:God bless you. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 10:14am On Jan 06, 2019 |
diadem10:Had it been tough keep in reading, you would have seen that Paul wasn't talking about losing salvation. The next verse says those that draw back are not drawing back to perdition because they are of those who believe their souls are saved already. Hebrews 19:38-39 38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. 1 Like |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by fasho01(m): 10:17am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Alright. Shalom |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Nobody: 10:17am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:before you quote read ask for spiritual wisdom he accepted the gospel of salvation and in the end went back to the world havent you seen people filled with the holyghost who at the end rejected christ and started living in sin |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 10:18am On Jan 06, 2019 |
diadem10: Repent doesn't mean repent of your sins. Stop inserting sins wherever you see the word repent. Remember God also repented. Does that mean he sinned? Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. When Paul preached repentance to those pagans, he simply told them to repent from paganism and into the worship of the true God. He never spoke of sin. 1 Like |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 10:19am On Jan 06, 2019 |
VICOiheaka:Mention one of them. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Nobody: 10:20am On Jan 06, 2019 |
Feranmi4christ:pls explain your observation |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by diadem10: 10:24am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:We're not of them who draw back unto perdition. 2 things derived from that verse. 1. Some people drew back. 2. The state of perdition, which is the state of eternal damnation and this happens after falling out with the holy Spirit. It all solidifies the notion one's salvation can be lost. I repeat work of salvation doesn't encomprises repentance. Zachaeus repented first before he was saved. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 10:27am On Jan 06, 2019 |
femichill: The righteous are saved but not from judgement because their works will be judged. Thats why it says scarcely saved, because regards their soul, it is saved. We are moved from condemnation to life. The unrighteous are the ones who will be condemned regardless of the kind of judgement they face. 1 Peter 4:17-18 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? John 3:8 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Nobody: 10:28am On Jan 06, 2019 |
[quote author=alBHAGDADI post=74495880] Exactly. You have everlasting life the moment you believe in Jesus. If you can lose that everlasting life, then it means it was never everlasting. That means you have called God a liar because you do not believe that the gift...... Pls does it mean that if one believes that he is perfect |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 10:30am On Jan 06, 2019 |
VICOiheaka:No man is perfect. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Nobody: 10:38am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Weep for your soul ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by mejai(m): 10:54am On Jan 06, 2019 |
YAWNS!!!! Posts and comments are too long. Even Jesus on his sermon on d mount, his talk wasn't dis long. Moreover, He shared bread, fish and fanta. Here, no break, no refreshment on top my data kwa. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by sacx: 10:57am On Jan 06, 2019 |
As much as the point you are trying to make is correct, I see it as an avenue to bash the Pentecostals and elevate your Baptist faith. Well, I'm Pentecostal as you would know it, and I also believe in eternal security. The church of Christ is one and there is not Pentecostal, Baptist or Catholic with God. Let's say no to denominationalism. 1 Like |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by ecstasy357(m): 11:02am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Wow! Based on ya teaching, r u saying that as long as we believe in Jesus, we can continue to sin? |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 11:04am On Jan 06, 2019 |
ecstasy357:Yes, that's if you want God to keep spanking you for disobedience. Hebrews 12:6-7 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by immantoks: 11:06am On Jan 06, 2019 |
Ruddyman:oga where is your scriptural back up |
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