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Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by OLUROCKS(m): 11:06am On Jan 06, 2019 |
do these people know that the devil himself believes Jesus is the son of GOD ...... and just so you know life in hell is also eternal just you living in it means eternal damnation .... believing in Christ means you have eternal life but you still have to be careful as to where you spend your eternity , in hell or heaven |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by OLUROCKS(m): 11:18am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: how are you so sure it's talking of temptation and not salvation as it wasn't stated in the verse..... you're already adding to the scripture , twisting it to your taste and kinda giving people an excuse for sin |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by ecstasy357(m): 11:22am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Romans 6:1-7 1. What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2. God forbid! How shall we, that r dead in sin, live any longer therein? 3. Don't u know that as we r baptized in Christ, we are also baptized into His death? 4. Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into His death: like as Christ was raised up from the death by the Glory of the Father, more so we should walk in the newness of life (life different from what we were used to). 5. For we have been planted together in the likeness of His death, we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection (a new man free of sin). 6. Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might b destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin (turn away from sin or saying no to sin). 7. For he that is dead is freed from sin. (We have the power to say NO to sin not continue in it) 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by OLUROCKS(m): 11:27am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: is paganism not a sin? if you're repenting from something then that thing is a sin , it's wrong that's why you want to repent yes Paul meant repent from sin, from the ways of the world |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by dane15: 11:36am On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Sorry Albaghdadi, how did the first man Adam lose his immortality biko? |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Mitchewww(m): 12:02pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: So which did you think Demas did? And what does it mean? |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Reference(m): 12:20pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
Had this discussion with some folks over the holidays and my take on this is simple in the light of my desire to always explain things with practical analogy. If Mr. James Audu begets a son John Audu, on what terms does Mr. John cease to become a son of Mr. James. Virtually none. You simply cannot undo it. You can disown, excommunicated or even deny inheritance but you cannot deny birth. The person remains your son till death or till the world ends The question then each Christian should ask is not what his relationship is with God but where the relationship is with God. And I think this is the whole basis of Creation. Adam did not lose his physical life when God said he would die but what he lost was that relationship and all.the benefits accruable. Then life becomes meaningless in the least and may become hellish in the other extreme. Many writers have attesed to this fact that the Heaven and Hell we often profess is nothing more than the permanent presence or absence of God in a set scenario. Such that heaven will be a place or state where he will be permanently in charge so rwturning us to the defacto Garden of Eden with all its benefits of eternal life in health, peace, abundance and Holiness while hell is simply a place where Satan rules supreme with all his attributes in full flow without the air-conditioning of God's grace permanently. (One certainly does not want to be there). So when you put the two together you may have to reconsider that the fact that you bear a Name born to King does not necessarily mean your experiences will be palatial or you may end up a Prince. You may still be left out of the will. I will take the teaching of eternal salvation with all possible caution and work out my salvation as the scriptures say with FEAR AND TREMBLING. Seeking to ensure that the relationship is never taken for granted. That is the humility expected of a father/son or master/servant relationship. The humility a true believer should have. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Reference(m): 12:27pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
dane15: He simply disobeyed.. Mark you Adam was created perfect by the same Word (Jesus) that came later as the Christ to carry out a total overhaul of man. So all men are either Adam the Creation/Redeemed or Adam the fallen. I don't think there is a third model of man. We have to be very careful of this eternal salvation thing. The whole life of a Christian can be summarised as a RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. The quality of which will speak at the end. I detect a desire to transfer total liability to God of our lives here on earth. This is mistaken. God is no longer in charge of the earth. Man had given the C of O away to Satan. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Nobody: 12:28pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Why would the bible warn Christians not to fall back into sin if there's no tendency for them losing their salvation? If for any reason, verses like this refer to those who never believed, I think the bible would have been more specific. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Harshirama(m): 12:31pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Well said bro, now watch the ignorant folks attack you |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Nobody: 12:35pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:does God expect us to be perfect? |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by shadeyinka(m): 12:54pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
Vickmanny22:If you used to be a good child of your parents and then due to peer pressure you became irresponsible, ungrateful, 419, rude and insolent. Will you cease to become a child of your parents? Same with God! But are you aware that even the righteous shall be judged according to their works? Heaven has jurisdictions: if it were not so, Christ would have told us. Even the unrighteous in hell will be judged according to their works. Finally, by their fruit you will know them: a person who enjoys sin and iniquity has most likely assumed he is born again |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by kindklemz(m): 12:56pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
SATANIC AGENT OUT TO DECIEVE PEOPLE AND LEAD THEM TO ETERNAL DAMNATION WITH THE GOSPEL OF ETERNAL SECURITY. OP, YOU ARE A DECEIVER AND AN AGENT OF SATAN. I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. EVEN MUSLIMS KNOW THAT THERE IS NOTHING LIKE ONCE SALVED, ALWAYS SAVED. I AM JUST COMING BACK, I EDUCATE YOU IN DUE TIME. BRETHREN, I IMPLORE YOU ALL TO PAY NO HEED TO THIS FELLOW WITH HIS DEMONIC MESSAGE. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by VictorRomanov: 12:58pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
This guy is trying to tell me that someone can receive the holy spirit and yet has not accepted Jesus as his lord and saviour?? All these lies and twists just to prove that once saved is always saved? May God help him. 3 Likes |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by olaorestephen(m): 1:03pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Let the scripture speak, not just using your own understanding to interpret it.. There are several passages which emphasis our call in righteousness and Holiness and whosoever continue in sin knew him not, Salvation can be lost through 1.Renouncing christ. 2.Continous sin which corrupts the mind.. Shalom. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 1:06pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
VICOiheaka:No, because we lost our perfect body when Adam and Eve sinned. But we will get it back during the resurrection. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 1:07pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
Harshirama:Thanks bro |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Damirexnuga: 1:07pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
Reference:i see sense...God bless brother |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 1:09pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
Jayhazard:There's no man out there without sin. Even Paul wasn't perfect, that's why he said .. Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by damocool(m): 1:20pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
I don't know why people are even arguing about this doctrine with the OP. This race is an individual race, anyone can choose to interpret the scriptures as he or she likes. And besides this doctrine of once saved forever saved is not new, it's been even preached even before this century by the likes of William M Branham, Billy Grahams et al. OP just making it as if he just sat down to reason all these false interpretation of the scripture looks funny. He's only basing his argument on the books he actually read from these people and quoting them, I have friends like that that are under these false doctrines, but we always keep all these aside to prevent strife. Everyone is doing according to Revelation 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.... I wonder why God wants us holy, and righteous if it were not possible to live without sin.. In fact, I prefer to believe the fact that if I do in variance with the word of God I may lose my salvation after I'm born again and being sanctified than to assume that I can not lose it and living a free careless life as a Christian, rising and falling almost every time.. I have nothing to lose if God later says that my son Oluwadamilola, you shouldn't have denied urself of these worldly enjoyment because of fear of losing ur salvation while on earth.. And OP save us all this daddy GO, you ain't different from them because you read these ur supposed right doctrine from those supposed men of God. Many pastors are preaching it, most especially these new generation pastors who pushed by frustration of lack of gainful employment,.making the dead and agony of christ like a thing so cheap like anybody can go through.. Well, only those who thinks this race is about bread and butter will fall for this cheap doctrine.. 2 Likes |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by DavidLion(m): 1:20pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
Hebrews 6:4-8 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. This passage is not talking about those who are not Christians yet but about those who have been enlightened, tasted the heavenly gift(salvation by grace through faith), and have partaken of the Holy Spirit. Am sure no sinner has ever partaken of the Holy Spirit. Yes indeed, salvation as we know it can be lost but it is not through our sins (1 John 9:7&9), it is when a spirit-filled and enlightened Christian so gives himself over to listening to the devil that eventually, he voluntarily rejects God consciously. This rarely happens since it only applies to matured Christians. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Rizmo(m): 1:21pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: You are not a Christian OP. You are only here to mislead the ones trying to work out their salvation with fear of God and trembling at his Mercy seat. You truly are one of those Christ spoke about in His sermon of the last days. I weep for the gullible that will believe in your satanic teaching. How can I believe in Christ and remain a sinner? God! I have never come across such an agent of satan. 3 Likes |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 1:23pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
Mitchewww:Demas Loved THIS world. This means he loved his life well enough to not want to leave THIS world yet. That is quite different from Loving THE world. The Bible says he that loves THE world, the love of the father is not in him. God use to love THE world, but he doesn't anymore. That's why John 3:16 says For God so LOVED THE WORLD. So if any man loves THE world, he is not of the world. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 1:32pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
dane15:He lost it by chosing death. His immortality wasn't a gift but how he was created and with a condition not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and of evil else he dies. He dies but his soul keeps on living. Same thing with us, we die but our soul keeps on living. Those who have the gift of eternal life live on forever in bliss while those who don't live on forever as eternally damned in hell. It is that hell fire Jesus came to save us from. After saving us, it is ridiculous to say we can lose that salvation when we are not the one who saved ourself. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 1:35pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
ecstasy357: The passage doesn't say not sinning is what gets you saved. The more sin, the more grace abounds. Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 1:38pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
OLUROCKS:Grace is not an excuse to sin. If you sin, God can punish you for that as a way of showing you love. But he will never cast you out. You people that believe in the false doctrine that salvation can be lost are usually the worst of sinners. You guys are not even saved. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Preciousgirl(f): 1:38pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
Why did Paul write that we should work our salvation with fear and trembling ? Check my signature |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 1:46pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
Rizmo: Everyone is a singer as long as you are able n the flesh. This teaching is not saying you can continue in sin. If you do, God will continue spanking you till you finally get it. It is simply saying that your ability or inability not to sin is not what gets you saved but the work of Jesus Christ. You not sinning is just so you can show love to God and not bring shame to Christianity. But believing that it is all about not sinning is the same as rejecting Jesus Christ. If you can make heaven by not sinning, then why did Christ die? You have made his death a waste by relying on your ability not to sin which will fail you. Look back and you will see that you have sinned this week already. Your righteousness is filthy rags before God. Is that what you want to present before God as your ticket into heaven or the blood of Jesus?. Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; 2 Likes |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by bloodofthelamb(m): 1:48pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Op, are for grace or for the law? I'm confuse! Today you will preach grace, while tomorrow you will preach sickness and poverty for those who refuse to pay tithe. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by Patrykk(m): 1:51pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: i guess this is also a wrong teaching... how can u say one cant lose his salvation even after been saved. Thats totally wrong. when the bible says 'no one starts ploughing and looks back that fit for the kingdom of God' |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 1:54pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
bloodofthelamb:I am for grace, but you guys fail to understand the word law. You all think it refers to the law of Moses alone. The law means the knowledge of sin. Now that you have the knowledge of sin, if you believe you can make heaven by keeping such law, then you have no grace of Jesus. If you pass all but fail in one aspect i.e tell a lie, you will still get punished in the same manner as those who failed all. You will always fail becaySe you are not Jesus who passed all. But if you are counting on Jesus to save you from your sins because you know you can't pass all the law, then he will save you. The law of Moses contains some pretty things that can't send you to hell if you disobey. So it's not the law we are talKing aBiut. |
Re: Judas And Demas: Examining Verses People Use To Say One Can Lose His Salvation by alBHAGDADI: 1:58pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
Patrykk:The verse doesn't say he starts ploughing. It says no one holds the plough and looks back. This is the same as hearing the word of God but rejecting it. He had the knowledge but rejected it. But the moment he starts to plough, it means he accepted it. Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. |
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