OceanmorganTrix:

It is not religion that relegated them, they relegated themselves.
An African woman's word to a man (friend/boyfriend/husband): I am your responsibility

earthsync:
if I begin to talk about misogyny wey I don witness for church ehn e.g I was more than shocked when a minister said women shouldn't go to the gym cause going to the gym she'd have to wear training gear which would expose all the curves of her body hence her indirectly sinning cause probably the gym instructor or anyone on the street might lust on her, like what the actual fuçk, you need to see me then I was cringing my brains out. said it was wrong to go to the gym!!! the guy also said having male friends as a married woman or talking with male guys as long as the husband disapproves of it cause he's jealous is wrong, hence it's a sin to keep male friends cuz of that. they always talk about what the women should and shouldn't do (these things are always weird,) while leaving the men aside

There is plenty to criticise in Islam's view of women. Last year, the Observer told the story of a man in Basra who stamped on, suffocated and then stabbed to death his 17-year-old daughter for becoming infatuated with a British soldier. The relationship apparently amounted to a few conversations, but her father learnt she had been seen in public talking to the soldier. When the Observer talked to Abdel-Qader Ali two weeks later, he said: "Death was the least she deserved. I don't regret it. I had the support of all my friends who are fathers, like me, and know what she did was unacceptable to any Muslim that honours his religion

This was clearly extreme, but the truth is that the God many people believe in - whether Muslim, Christian or Jewish - hates women. Take America's Southern Baptist Convention, which declares in its faith and mission statement: "A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband." That's fair enough, isn't it? After all, he's probably stronger than she is.

Or there's the Catholic church. The Pope put things more suavely in an address in 2008: "Faced with cultural and political trends that seek to eliminate, or at least cloud and confuse, the sexual differences inscribed in human nature, considering them a cultural construct, it is necessary to recall God's design that created the human being masculine and feminine, with a unity and at the same time an original difference." The insistence on difference is the necessary first step to insisting on inequality and subordination and it is a step that popes have been taking at regular intervals for decades.

In November 2006, Nicaragua enacted a ban on all abortion, with no exceptions, even to save the mother's life. The law was ratified by the National Assembly in September 2007. Both the original enactment and the vote in September 2007 were widely attributed to the influence of the Catholic church. In a report this month, the United Nations Committee against torture called Nicaragua's total ban on abortion a violation of human rights.

Then there is Judaism. In one neighbourhood in Jerusalem, religious seminaries flank streets with yellow signs that warn: "If you're a woman and you're not properly dressed - don't pass through our neighbourhood."

So why is it so often women who fill the pews? Is it a form of Stockholm syndrome? Religions do a good job of training people to be obedient and loyal to the authorities and women in particular are raised to be both devout and submissive. Religions are sticky: they are hard to abandon and that is doubly true for women, given that subordination and unshakable fidelity are their chief duties.

The fact that women are defined as different from men ("complementary" is the religious euphemism) and confined to narrower, more monotonous lives as a result, means that they have more need of the excitements and passions of religion. For women, religion often is the heart of a heartless world. All they have to give up in exchange is their right to shape their own lives; as long as they behave themselves, all will go swimmingly.

The intimate and inescapable connection that contemporary liberal believers like to see between God and love, theism and compassion, is largely a modern invention. It's far from universal now and it was vanishingly rare in the past. St Francis was an eccentric, not an exemplar. The painful truth is that still, to this day, most people who believe in a god believe in a god who is often vindictive, punitive and sometimes just plain cruel. The Ryan report on abuse of children in Irish industrial schools, released two weeks ago, provides a mountain of searing evidence for that. For decade after decade, generation upon generation, the religious congregations in charge of the institutions saw nothing wrong.

One survivor of Goldenbridge, the most notorious industrial school for girls, run by the Sisters of Mercy, told the commission: "The screaming of children will stay with me for the rest of my life about Goldenbridge. I still hear it, I still haven't recovered from that. Children crying and screaming, it was just endless, it never, never stopped for years in that place." Many of those children were there simply because their mothers were unmarried or divorced.

The God we have in the Big Three monotheisms is a God who originated in a period when male superiority was absolutely taken for granted. That time has passed, but the superior male God remains and that God holds women in contempt. That God is the one who puts "His" imprimatur on all those tyrannical laws. That God is a product of history, but taken to be eternal, which is a bad combination. That is the God who hates women.

So why do so many women put up with it? Partly because God gives with one hand what "He" takes away with the other - God consoles people for the very harshness that God creates. It's the sad, familiar, heartrending bargain in which the victim embraces the perpetrator, in some complicated, confusing, all-too-human mix of appeasement, need and stubborn loyalty. The fact that the embrace is all on one side is resolutely ignored.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/may/31/women-religion-equality

frosbel2:


I suspect you failed to comprehend the article , go and read again , this time remove your parochial glasses.

OceanmorganTrix:




Your sins are forgiving

frosbel2:




*forgiven*

frosbel2:
I suspect you failed to comprehend the article, go and read again , this time remove your parochial glasses.

MuttleyLaff:
You are always quick to be on the defensive.
Isnt what OceanmorganTrix said true?
That the typical African woman's word to a man (friend/boyfriend/husband) is: I am your responsibility?
You've got blinkers on, it's time you remove it

Dont mind him OceanmorganTrix, look at him playing the role of English teacher

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IF IT'S NOT ABOUT ROMANCE AND UNIMPORTANT THINGS ONLY APPEALING TO THEIR FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS, MOST WOMEN WON'T BOTHER ABOUT IT. THERE'S A HIGH CHANCE THEY WON'T BOTHER WITH THIS IMPORTANT INFORMATION YOU PUT UP.

ON THIS FORUM AND OFF IT I'VE SPENT QUALITY TIME TRYING TO ERADICATE RELIGION IN ALL THE LITTLE WAYS I CAN, AND FREE PARTICULARLY WOMEN FROM THE SHACKLES OF THIS SYSTEM THAT ADDS NOTHING TO THEIR LIVES APART FROM RIDICULE, TORTURE, AGONY, INJUSTICE AND OTHER INDESCRIBABLE UNPLEASANT EXPERIENCES...
ONE THING I'VE LEARNT SO FAR IS THAT MOST WOMEN DON'T CARE AND WILL HARDLY GIVE SECOND THOUGHTS A CHANCE.

I'M TEMPTED TO SAY THEY DESERVE ALL THEY'VE BEEN GETTING, PARTICULARLY ALL THE BAD UNFAIR TREATMENTS.
BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE VERY UNFORTUNATE ONES BORN IN THE MIDDLE EAST, WITH ALMOST NO OPTIONS OF HAVING BETTER AND DIFFERENT LIVES, I WISH THE OPPRESSION THEY FACE COMES TO AN END.

Alepa:
I have no pity for women

frosbel2:


of course you won't - you are still a primitive man

Alepa:

Wail to death . O ye woman

frosbel2:


To a certain extent you are right. Unfortunately many people are gullible and they need our help coupled with patience to be free from their religious delusions. In many cases, , a lot of our women are in a Stockholm Syndrome situation and others are afraid to break from the status quo due to cultural reasons.

Dantedasz:
Religion generally is SEXIST and discriminatory towards women. The fact and brutal truth is women have refused to read the Bible. They mostly rely on what their pastors tell them. The pastors on their part cherry pick what to tell them and the women believe.
Women need to educate themselves and read what the Bible says. In my opinion NO woman can read the Bible and remain a Christian unless she is a dummy. The Bible is the most SEXIST book ever written and completely AGAINST women.

Dantedasz:
Religion generally is SEXIST and discriminatory towards women. The fact and brutal truth is women have refused to read the Bible. They mostly rely on what their pastors tell them. The pastors on their part cherry pick what to tell them and the women believe.
Women need to educate themselves and read what the Bible says. In my opinion NO woman can read the Bible and remain a Christian unless she is a dummy. The Bible is the most SEXIST book ever written and completely AGAINST women.
It is all there in the religious book of the Christians and no woman stands a chance of being free if she adheres to the contents.
If I am challenged I can provide enough passages that completely relegate women to second class beings.

Dantedasz:
Some passages from the Christian Bible-

1.Judges chapter 11.
2.Revelation Chapter 14.v3-4.
3.Leviticus chapter 31.v19-31.
4.Exodus chapter 21.v28-29.
5.Leviticus chapter 19.v20
6.Leviticus chapter 12.v2-5.
7.Genesis chapter 19.v8
8.GENESIS chapter 3.v16.

frosbel2:


Funny how all these verses made absolute sense to me in the days of my religious indoctrination. Brainwashing is a terrible thing.

janettee:
Let me also add that religious women are really gullible especially their Nigerian counterparts. I mean, have you tried to have conversations with them?. They are irredeemable.

People who believe their pastors/priests more than anybody/anything in this world.

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JUST HERE WONDERING HOW YOU MANAGED TO SEE WHAT MILLIONS HAVE FAILED TO SEE

janettee:
Let me also add that religious women are really gullible especially their Nigerian counterparts. I mean, have you tried to have conversations with them?. They are irredeemable.

People who believe their pastors/priests more than anybody/anything in this world.

frosbel2:
oh look - here comes the RELIGIOUS MALE CHAUVINIST

CAPSLOCKED:


I THINK IN MANY CASES OUR YOUNG WOMEN ARE RELIGIOUS JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE RAISED IN RELIGIOUS HOMES, AND HAVE HARDLY THOUGHT ABOUT THE RELIGION THEY PRACTICE.
SAME BUNCH THAT DON'T READ THE BIBLE NOR OBEY ANY LAWS OF GOD, AND "SIN" WITHOUT CONTROL ARE SAME ONES THAT DESPISE ME FOR NOT ENGAGING IN THEIR CARICATURE AND MOCKERY OF THE HUMAN INTELLIGENCE.

FOR MOST YOUNG WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY THERE'S NOTHING LIKE CULTURAL REASONS HOLDING THEM BACK.
THEY'RE TIED DOWN BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO "THINK" OR FIND REASONS TO RELATE WITH ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T SOOTH THEIR PETTY AND EMOTIONAL NATURE.

I QUOTE THAT ANYONE WHO REASONS RELIGION CRITICALLY WITHOUT BIAS AND EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT IS CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING IT FOR WHAT IT TRULY IS --- ABSOLUTE NONSENSE.



THAT'S THE WORD --- DUMMY!

peterphd:



This won't work bro. Women feel generally and not think. There are exceptions but were talking about the rule here. Women will always flock to religion.