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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 5:50am On Jan 09, 2019
[quote author=rvp2018 post=74583486][/quote]

how about building good side walks,drainages and traffic light Systems first?
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Ibrahimanis: 6:00am On Jan 09, 2019
rvp2018:
kenya unlike Tz and Nigeria has never and will not have debt problem.We have never defaulted or ask for debt forgiviness.Our debt to gdp has always been around 30-60% of our gdp.Our sgr has attained 5yr projections in just 1yr.We are running 4 passenger trains daily.We are running about 14 cargo trains daily.This is in just one year.Chinese have agreed to finance the remaining part of SGR coz kenya is not a banana republic.
Tell me about Nigeria's debt problem grin
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 6:03am On Jan 09, 2019
rvp2018:
Kenya began 2018 with maiden cargo train and two passenger train on its greenfield SGR..we kept adding a train every month and as of now..we ran 30 cargo trains and 4 passenger trains daily.Ethiopia who began two years early are still on 2 or 1 train.Kenya by end of 2019 will transport 8m cargo thro sgr..25% of all cargo...and 5yrs earlier than projected.Lets not talk about Nigeria sgr...still under construction 10yrs later and whatever is operational can barely do a trip.Kenya SGR from MSA to NBO was constructed in record 3yrs..2yrs ahead of schedule...and is already 5yrs ahead of projection in the cargo its handling.Nigeria took 6yrs to construct Abuja kaduna...mere 200km..took another 2yrs to start operation and 2yrs later it has carried 900k passenger.Kenya SGR in one & half year had carried 2m passengers...6m tonnes of cargo in a year. KENYA CAN NEVER BE COMPARED TO NIGERIA OR WORSE THE LAZY NEIGHBOUR TANZANIA.Yes we dont have oil or gold or diamond but we make our tea & flowers count by using our brains & muscles...human capital is the greatest resource.Ethiopia already asked for 20yr extension to repay sgr..we are asking for more loans.
Spot the difference between Kenya SGR and Abuja-Kaduna SGR (and not the massive Lagos-Ibadan SGR still under construction).

Even with the fact that we only run passenger trains . We don’ t have freight to move from Kaduna to Abuja, yet the system still made over 400% revenue.
Now imagine how Lagos-Ibadan SGR would be as its been connected to the Port?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Ibrahimanis: 6:16am On Jan 09, 2019
rvp2018:
Kenya began 2018 with maiden cargo train and two passenger train on its greenfield SGR..we kept adding a train every month and as of now..we ran 30 cargo trains and 4 passenger trains daily.Ethiopia who began two years early are still on 2 or 1 train.Kenya by end of 2019 will transport 8m cargo thro sgr..25% of all cargo...and 5yrs earlier than projected.Lets not talk about Nigeria sgr...still under construction 10yrs later and whatever is operational can barely do a trip.Kenya SGR from MSA to NBO was constructed in record 3yrs..2yrs ahead of schedule...and is already 5yrs ahead of projection in the cargo its handling.Nigeria took 6yrs to construct Abuja kaduna...mere 200km..took another 2yrs to start operation and 2yrs later it has carried 900k passenger.Kenya SGR in one & half year had carried 2m passengers...6m tonnes of cargo in a year. KENYA CAN NEVER BE COMPARED TO NIGERIA OR WORSE THE LAZY NEIGHBOUR TANZANIA.Yes we dont have oil or gold or diamond but we make our tea & flowers count by using our brains & muscles...human capital is the greatest resource.Ethiopia already asked for 20yr extension to repay sgr..we are asking for more loans.
Although it was initiated 2006/2007, Construction started 2011-2014 so it took four years to construct Abuja kaduna line which is double track btw not single track like your overpriced line.

Kenya has oil, it also has gold, stop lying.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by tylann: 7:25am On Jan 09, 2019
rvp2018:
kenya unlike Tz and Nigeria has never and will not have debt problem.We have never defaulted or ask for debt forgiviness.Our debt to gdp has always been around 30-60% of our gdp.Our sgr has attained 5yr projections in just 1yr.We are running 4 passenger trains daily.We are running about 14 cargo trains daily.This is in just one year.Chinese have agreed to finance the remaining part of SGR coz kenya is not a banana republic.

That is what i was telling them kenya has never defaulted on debt payment
Unlike tz which has always had it is debt forgiven
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:26am On Jan 09, 2019
Revenue is not profit.Your Abuja-Kaduna line is hemorrhaging money trust me. The first year of operation of Kenya's SGR - was basically two passenger trains - and the test run for cargo - and we understandably made 100M dollar loss. Running a railway is not cheap.

For a rail line to break even - you need lots of cargo and passengers. Very few worldwide every make profit.

We'd had projected that the Kenyan line would break even within five years of operation. We are already near the 5yr projected cargo on 1st year of Cargo operation and therefore this year we might break even- and next year make profit. And the same year when the cost of transporting cargo was reduced by more than 200%!! - from 1,000 dollars container to 250 - from MSA to NBO. That discount rate is ending but new cargo rates are still about 100% of cost of transporting container before SGR.

You are still building Lagos-Ibandan - distance of 120Km - for years grin grin grin grin grin. Meanwhile we completed 500kms in 3yrs...and just about done with 150Kms that involved digging 5Km of tunnel through the rift valley - the second longest tunnel in Africa.

"The SGR Ngong tunnel became the longest railway tunnel in East Africa and second in Africa.

It stretches for 7.41km which is second to the Hex River Tunnels in South Africa which stands at 13.6km."


Nigeria CAN NEVER compete with Kenyan on anything outside population and faked GDP.

Our SGR has improved Mombas port operational efficiency and even Durban should be worried now.


68816419:

Spot the difference between Kenya SGR and Abuja-Kaduna SGR (and not the massive Lagos-Ibadan SGR still under construction).

Even with the fact that we only run passenger trains . We don’ t have freight to move from Kaduna to Abuja, yet the system still made over 400% revenue.
Now imagine how Lagos-Ibadan SGR would be as its been connected to the Port?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:27am On Jan 09, 2019
You took 4 years to construct 200Km railway. You were constructing 50Km of track per year. One minute you claim kenya economy is puny consisting of tea & flowers - the next you claim we have oil, gold and name it. Yes we have probably all minerals but in very minute quantities they are as good as non-existent. We have not sold single oil barrel.
Ibrahimanis:

Although it was initiated 2006/2007, Construction started 2011-2014 so it took four years to construct Abuja kaduna line which is double track btw not single track like your overpriced line.

Kenya has oil, it also has gold, stop lying.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:37am On Jan 09, 2019
NIgera has had similar debt crisis like TZ - and have had most of their debts forgiven - for simply being so hopeless unable to ever pay.The worst kenya have ever done is to ask for debt rescheduling.
tylann:

That is what i was telling them kenya has never defaulted on debt payment
Unlike tz which has always had it is debt forgiven

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by tylann: 7:41am On Jan 09, 2019
Ibrahimanis:

Although it was initiated 2006/2007, Construction started 2011-2014 so it took four years to construct Abuja kaduna line which is double track btw not single track like your overpriced line.

Kenya has oil, it also has gold, stop lying.

Tell us more about our oil and gold and how much kenya earns by selling them
Our line is not overpriced stop talking lies boy
Our line is single and can do double stacking
So why construct double track while you can construct single which can do double stacking

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Iamleefact: 7:54am On Jan 09, 2019
Ibrahimanis:

Even though Kenyans might not want to believe, I've heard/read many times that Kenya is just filling a "void" until Ethiopia comes of age. Ethiopia is the real regional power in East Africa. It just have to get it's sh*t right.
Why are you not considerate of kazikazi's health grin grin
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Iamleefact: 8:00am On Jan 09, 2019
68816419:

Dangote refinery will be the world largest
Which world grin grin
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Ibrahimanis: 8:08am On Jan 09, 2019
rvp20182:
You took 4 years to construct 200Km railway. You were constructing 50Km of track per year. One minute you claim kenya economy is puny consisting of tea & flowers - the next you claim we have oil, gold and name it. Yes we have probably all minerals but in very minute quantities they are as good as non-existent. We have not sold single oil barrel.
Double track. Don't forget that. 186km of double track.

Show me where I said you only have tea and flowers!

I don't care about quantities, you have you have.
So stop claiming you don't have natural resources.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 8:09am On Jan 09, 2019
This is what economists at Citi analyst say

Egypt and Kenya are the top frontier markets in the continent

https://www.cnbcafrica.com/news/east-africa/2019/01/08/kenya-top-frontier-market/amp/
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by kikuyu1(m): 8:12am On Jan 09, 2019
rvp20182:
56 trillion is 160B dollars.Kenya Mpesa alone is trending towards 80b dollars

As much as Naijjans hate per capita its compulsory for comparisons! Kenyans and other literate people can see what it means when your pop 4x ours handles only half our total mobile money.

160 bn $ for 180 mn people works out to 890 $ per capita per year

80bn$ for 48 mn is 1670 $ per capita per year. As usual almost twice in everything meaningful!
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:14am On Jan 09, 2019
tylann:

And marrying 12 year old girls

she was 9 or 10 year not 12 years old

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Ibrahimanis: 8:18am On Jan 09, 2019
rvp20182:
NIgera has had similar debt crisis like TZ - and have had most of their debts forgiven - for simply being so hopeless unable to ever pay.The worst kenya have ever done is to ask for debt rescheduling.
Past tense, we are talking about present.

Nigeria's debt was not totally forgiven. In fact nigeria over paid so Paris club has to refund Nigeria again!
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by tylann: 8:22am On Jan 09, 2019
sufferNsmiling:


she was 9 or 10 year not 12 years old


grin bubu is pedophilia grin
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:23am On Jan 09, 2019
Kazikazi:
Ethiopian economy grows faster than Kenyan

Ethiopian GDP is larger than Kenyan

Kenya is more indebted than Ethiopia

Ethiopian economy is growing faster than that of Kenya but Kenya still has a higher GDP than Ethiopia as of January 2019.

Kenya $90 billion
Ethiopia $86 billion

And even the gap between economic growth rates of Kenya and Ethiopia is getting narrowly adjusted year in year out.

Ethiopia is the second most indebted African nation to China after Angola.
More than 60% of Kenya's debt is domestic but.

Now when it comes to education levels,civilization,entertainment,sports,technology,tourism etc Ethiopia isn't close to Kenya.

Kenya and Ethiopia might be peering each other in economy and infrastructure I guess.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:24am On Jan 09, 2019
tylann:

None

In terms of infrastructure and economy I think we're ousting each other.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Ibrahimanis: 8:28am On Jan 09, 2019
kikuyu1:


As much as Naijjans hate per capita its compulsory for comparisons! Kenyans and other literate people can see what it means when your pop 4x ours handles only half our total mobile money.

160 bn $ for 180 mn people works out to 890 $ per capita per year

80bn$ for 48 mn is 1670 $ per capita per year. As usual almost twice in everything meaningful!
Per capita, right. OK let's do debt per capita, sounds like fun.

Nigeria's debt 74bn = 370

Kenya's debt 50bn = 1000.

Wow, you guys better start working your ass off! Each of you owe 1000 dollars!
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:28am On Jan 09, 2019
Kazikazi:
That speed is slow.

We are doing Geo technical studies. That is the early stages of construction.

Please be arguing of something which is 100% ready on the ground,not paper projects.
You're taking just a year to erect an SGR pillar and you have the guts to talk poo about others.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:29am On Jan 09, 2019
tylann:


Too low but none of your trains can match that

They even don't have one.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Ibrahimanis: 8:33am On Jan 09, 2019
Yobeezy:



More than 60% of Kenya's debt is domestic.

Really? Mind sharing your source?
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:38am On Jan 09, 2019
gallivant:
Nairobi









I passed this place AVIC 6 towers on Monday afternoon,indeed there's a lot of construction going on there,men are surely busy at work.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 8:40am On Jan 09, 2019
Yobeezy:


Please be arguing of something which is 100% ready on the ground,not paper projects.
You're taking just a year to erect an SGR pillar and you have the guts to talk poo about others.
Is this a pillar??

You imported 5000 Chinese workers to build a diesel powered SGR of less than 500 km? Where are Kenyans artisans? You lack technical know how!

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Ibrahimanis: 8:50am On Jan 09, 2019
tylann:

Tell us more about our oil and gold and how much kenya earns by selling them
Our line is not overpriced stop talking lies boy
Our line is single and can do double stacking
So why construct double track while you can construct single which can do double stacking
Which planet are you from? Double stacking and double track are not related at all. You can build double track lines and still double stack (like some parts of India). They are not mutually exclusive at all.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:52am On Jan 09, 2019
Ibrahimanis:

Per capita, right. OK let's do debt per capita, sounds like fun.

Nigeria's debt 74bn = 370

Kenya's debt 50bn = 1000.

Wow, you guys better start working your ass off! Each of you owe 1000 dollars!
Add nigeria state debt...our counties have near zero debts maybe pending bills.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:54am On Jan 09, 2019
Ibrahimanis:

Really? Mind sharing your source?
yes most of kenya debt is treasury bonds

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:57am On Jan 09, 2019
Kazikazi:
Is this a pillar??

You imported 5000 Chinese workers to build a diesel powered SGR of less than 500 km? Where are Kenyans artisans? You lack technical know how!

You don't even know how a pillar looks like grin grin
An old man who claims to know everything grin grin

Meanwhile the SGR project was a deal sub contracted to both Chinese and local expatriates where locals accounted for 40% back in 2014.
It was expected to create jobs to 5,000 Chinese and 30,000 black Kenyans and so it was and they're now 80% done with Nairobi Naivasha SGR route.Black Kenyans and Chinese are working in the sgr track fields,but have you ever been to Kenya yourself?
You always like arguing what you don't know grin

Meanwhile this is the pillar I was talking about grin
Your lazy country takes one year to construct a single pillar grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Ibrahimanis: 8:58am On Jan 09, 2019
rvp2018:
Add nigeria state debt...our counties have near zero debts maybe pending bills.
That's all of Nigeria's debt, both state and federal. Try again.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by tylann: 8:59am On Jan 09, 2019
Kazikazi:
Is this a pillar??

You imported 5000 Chinese workers to build a diesel powered SGR of less than 500 km? Where are Kenyans artisans? You lack technical know how!

Who told you Kenya's sgr is less than 500km ?
Kenyan sgr can be electrified and NEMA has been tasked to conduct an eia for electrification of our sgr
Your sgr is non existent

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Ibrahimanis: 9:00am On Jan 09, 2019
rvp2018:
yes most of kenya debt is treasury bonds
My question is simple and straight to the point. Source that 60percent of Kenya's debt is local?

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