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Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 9:33am On Jan 13, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:It still comes back to the main question of why God would allow multiple religions if there is only one true religion though. Certain christian denominations believe that those who do not follow the word of the gospel and the bible are destined for hell and missionary work is the only thing that can save their souls from eternal damnation. There are still large populations that don't have access to television or internet or even literature, so do you believe your God has more or less predeterminedly condemned these otherwise innocent people (they had no choice in that they have no access to the Judeo-Christian teachings) to an eternity of suffering and torment. I guess that's a healthy worldview. Ihedinobi3:All of these you've mentioned contradicts the idea of a God who has the tri-omni qualities. God being merciful and all powerful can easily cancel out every form of suffering, so why doesn't he just do so? I fail to see how God, who is actually the person responsible for the condition of human lives here, couldn't just rectify all these problems from the world's beginning. Ihedinobi3:To your first response, there are some teachings, statements and events in the bible that contradict what is manifest in the world about us. Historians have debunked a lot of events from the bible, the creation story (unless you understand it as a metaphor), has also been debunked, etc etc. To your second response, you've not given any credible, empirical evidence as to why other religions are false. Ihedinobi3:What happens to the righteous ones who never happen to come accross the means to hear the gospel before they die? Do they rot in hell too? If so, how does this justify a loving god? Ihedinobi3:Fair enough. I may not have framed the questions well so let me ask this way: If God created Adam and Eve, how couldn't he have known that they will eat from it? Ihedinobi3:The bolded is my point of contention. Would you mind explaining to me how people are free to sin in a universe created by a tri omni being? As regards to salvation, does this mean that if a sheltered muslim was more moral than a christian, doesn't this make salvation a faulty yardstick for entering heaven? Ihedinobi3:Given that God already has a plan, and has predestined your end from your beginning and fashioned every aspect of your life, what's the ultimate difference between when you pray and when you don't pray, when the outcome will be the same anyways? Ihedinobi3:To the first bolded: What's the point of claiming to have faith in a god when you doubt the extent of his powers? To the second bolded: What's so hard about understanding the concept of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being? Aren't all these written in the bible? Ihedinobi3:Given that God created the universe, Isn't he responsible for bringing these three forms of evil into existence? I don't expect these evils would exist if God hadn't created the universe. Besides the bible text I showed you clearly stated that God himself created evil. How did you begin to know, hence dissect all the forms of evil he was talking of i.e how do you know what evil he was talking of? Ihedinobi3:And exactly how is that an insult? You know very well that this thread is all about christians defending their faith. I never intended any insult when typing my post and I find it insulting that you'd suggest that given you don't know what's in my head. That's my problem with you, you just read meanings into useless sh!t. If I had known you'd continue this brash method of argument you love to employ, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned you. Like I said, i'm not forcing you to answer my questions, if you're going to continue finding fault with my posts by unnecessarily reading meaning into it, then please leave. I have to say you do know how to get on one's nerves. Ihedinobi3:The problem with your "evidence" is that evolution and the big bang do a better job of explaining how the universe came into being than creationism. Not that I completely believe in the Big Bang and evolution. I still insist there could be other possibilities; but the Big Bang is just more logical than Creationism. Hence, I don't think one can just say "look at the sun!" and conclude that it is empirical evidence for Yahweh(notice i didn't say god?) 2 Likes |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 9:40am On Jan 13, 2019 |
hahn: the proof of God's existence stares right back at you when you stand in front of a mirror. 1 Like |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 9:44am On Jan 13, 2019 |
luvmijeje:Hello? Are we fighting? First of all, I made it very clear that I take deism as a more logical standpoint than theism, and I applauded you for it. So saying that I dont see things from your view is just senseless if you ask me. If you feel offended by me simply stating why I find atheism the most logical, then do accept my apology. I've fought with lots of people in these religious forums and I don't want that to continue. I ended my post by saying this is MY opinion, so basically you're attacking me for having an opinion, which makes no sense. 4 Likes |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by hahn(m): 9:46am On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement: No sir. That is proof of my reflection 10 Likes
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Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by TheArranger(m): 9:55am On Jan 13, 2019 |
MrPresident1:But you haven't answered them yet, so until you do, you are just as stupid as the questions. 5 Likes |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by luvmijeje(f): 9:57am On Jan 13, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX: HI! We are not fighting. I just don't appreciate you patronizing me after re-writing the story of my life. 1 Like |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 9:58am On Jan 13, 2019 |
luvmijeje:I'm sorry then |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Vic2Ree(m): 10:04am On Jan 13, 2019 |
luvmijeje: Didn't you already say you grew up christian? How did she re-write your life story lol? 2 Likes |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Vic2Ree(m): 10:06am On Jan 13, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:Bruh how is "Creation" a straight forward answer? smh 3 Likes |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 10:07am On Jan 13, 2019 |
hahn: #sighs and what do you see in your reflection? a stone? a plant? lemme guess, a human being. a self-aware human being whose physical composition is proof of intelligent design that can't be explained away as a freak accident of nature anymore than it's possible for a whirlwind to rip through a metal scrapyard and assemble a gleaming Ferrari. Even top scientists aren't atheistic. It's not possible to observe nature, observe the human composition and even observe celestial bodies in space and still maintain that it all occurred accidentally. at the root of most atheistic idea is ignorance and naïveté. I really blame the instant-miracle hallelujah-screaming, bible thumping "Christians for this increasing atheistic attitude towards spirituality and the Divine. Modern day Christianity is a disservice to the growth of human spirituality and knowledge. 2 Likes |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Flattino(m): 10:08am On Jan 13, 2019 |
luvmijeje:Na this girl be this |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by LordReed(m): 10:12am On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement: How many percent of scientists believe in a personal god or in intelligent design? 4 Likes |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by luvmijeje(f): 10:14am On Jan 13, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX: You are now making me look like a bully. It's okay o jare. |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by luvmijeje(f): 10:15am On Jan 13, 2019 |
Vic2Ree: She didn't accuse me of being a Christian |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 10:16am On Jan 13, 2019 |
luvmijeje:Wait... How? I've already apologized. What do you want me to do now? ![]() |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by hahn(m): 10:19am On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement: Lol. You seem to miss the point You claim I am proof of your god ie the Christian god. The Muslims claim I am proof of Allah The Greeks would have claimed I am proof of Zeus The ancient Egyptians would have claimed I am proof of Ra. At the end of the day that is all it is CLAIMS. Arrogant claims birthed from ignorant assumptions. For some reason you must believe your god is the creator forgetting there are thousands of religions who make the same claim. The only thing you all have in common is your lack of evidence for your claims. You all make silly infantile excuses for your imaginary gods but cannot produce a picture or physical evidence for your so called gods. And THAT is the source of atheism because only the truly wise will accept their ignorance and only real grown ups don't have imaginary friends |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Vic2Ree(m): 10:21am On Jan 13, 2019 |
luvmijeje:I know. But were you brought up in a christian household? If so, she said nothing wrong. Anyone born into any religion like christianity is being indoctrinated into christianity from childhood and that's fact. I'm just clarifying things sha, you women should not pull me in ![]() |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 10:23am On Jan 13, 2019 |
LordReed: you will have to do that statistics yourself. There are Christian scientists, astronomers, IT specialists, Mathematicians, Philosophers, Surgeons, in every aspect of the scientific world. and they believe in God. if you believe the words of some atheistic scientists, it is because that is what you wanna believe. Don't disparage others who decide to listen to the words of scientists who believe in God. Most people don't know that the Church (Catholic) had monks who were astronomers and even had some itty-bitty pieces of rocks named after them for their contribution to astronomy. Heck, the Vatican even has an observatory. So yes, inasmuch as it sounds unbelievable to you, there are scientists who believe in and worship God. |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by luvmijeje(f): 10:23am On Jan 13, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX: By apologizing, you make me feel like my own is too much. I'm not expecting you to apologize. |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by luvmijeje(f): 10:26am On Jan 13, 2019 |
Vic2Ree: I too know syndrome. Why won't I pull you in? |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by LordReed(m): 10:26am On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement: I asked a question and you get side tracked with answering what wasn't asked. The question is simple, what percentage of scientists believe in a personal god or in intelligent design? |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Martinez19(m): 10:28am On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement:One thing my grandpa was fond of saying is "any answer the human mind is bent on seeing is what it shall sees." ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Vic2Ree(m): 10:31am On Jan 13, 2019 |
luvmijeje:Madam, I was just calling you out on faulty reasoning. I don't know why you are emotional like this ![]() 5 Likes |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 10:31am On Jan 13, 2019 |
hahn: now you are deliberately misquoting me. go back and read my response again. where did I say Christian god or moslem god or Buddhist gods or whatever? that's a cheap shot from you. if you gonna quote me please do so correctly. I maintain my statement. your existence and your self-awareness are proof enough of the existence of a rational intelligent Creator. whether that Creator looks like the image created by "Christians" or Moslems or Jews, that belongs in a different realm of discussion. 1 Like |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 10:33am On Jan 13, 2019 |
LordReed: I have answered the question you asked Oga. maybe you need to read it again. besides I never claimed to know the percentage of scientists who believe in God versus those that don't and that's why I have taken the pain to explain to you that there scientists who are also Christians. understand? |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 10:34am On Jan 13, 2019 |
Martinez19: your grandpa sounds like a very intelligent sombori. ![]() |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 10:42am On Jan 13, 2019 |
luvmijeje:So what should I do now? I'm confused |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by LordReed(m): 10:43am On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement: You were trying to frame it like scientists automatically become believers with this statement: Even top scientists aren't atheistic. Which is why I asked you the question, let us know how many top scientists are believers in a personal god or in intelligent design. Now you claim to not know how many top scientists are believers so why did you make that claim? |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by hahn(m): 10:44am On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement: Oh you mentioned Christians so I assumed you were one. My bad You seem to forget humans are not the only "creations". We also have diseases, poverty, pain, loss, hurt, catastrophes, hunger, rape etc. And you seem to ignore the fact that humans are NOT perfect. We are prone to diseases and can die from a cold. We age and our body degenerates and decays after a certain period. Even if there is a creator how can you say that something that created all these is " intelligent" and "rational"? More like psychopathic and an divine asshole. That is why I will rather lean to the stance that the earth was created by something instead of someone because that at least explains all the flaws in creation. And all we ask for is proof of this creator. The same way you CLAIM we are proof of a creator is the same way scientists have PROVEN we evolved. Go figure |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 10:49am On Jan 13, 2019 |
LordReed: lol. your use of the English language is defective sir. no offence. I said, even top scientists aren't atheistic. does that mean ALL scientists? MOST scientists? I went ahead to prove this by mentioning that there are Christian surgeons, christian astronomers, christian physicists etc but you said I was talking off point. My point which you seem to miss is not how many or what percentage. I never mentioned that, you did. and unless you wanna deny that there are indeed scientists who are Christians and Moslems then this conversation is moot, don't you think? |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 10:53am On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement:LOL @ this response. Oga, have u heard of reflection before? ![]() |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 10:56am On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement:Religion is a crime against humanity. 1 Like |
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