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Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by godwinstringed1(m): 12:55pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX: Funny? |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 12:55pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
godwinstringed1:Will you Un-follow me please? ![]() |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by godwinstringed1(m): 12:56pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 12:57pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
Martinez19: Lol. Albert Einstein was Catholic. Even if h wasn't the fact that he didn't believe in organized religion doesn't automatically make him an atheist. ![]() |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 12:57pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
godwinstringed1:Joblessness ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 12:59pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
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Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by godwinstringed1(m): 1:00pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX: Your mission is going to fail. I decree |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by TheArranger(m): 1:02pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX:Ignore the guy. He's an obvious troll |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by godwinstringed1(m): 1:03pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
TheArranger: I am not joking! You're also part. Your aims will be short-lived |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Ihedinobi3: 1:05pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX:I don't see how it comes down to that at all. Can you demonstrate that? Notwithstanding, I'll answer you. God gave all human beings a free will. So they are free to choose what to believe about Him. If they deny the Truth about Him, they are able to make up their own "truths" about Him. That is how religions and philosophies are made. These religions and philosophies in turn provide other people with alternatives to God's Truth. If they are unwilling to yield to His Truth, they can choose any of these others to follow if they would rather not create their own fictions. That is how God tests the hearts of men. I think that you are familiar with the story of Jonah, the guy that was swallowed by a fish and regurgitated later? Atheists tend to like that story since it is more proof to them of how unbelievable the Bible is but just humor me and let me make my point with it. Nineveh was a Gentile city. They did not have the Temple, the Law or the Prophets. So, they would be considered to be just as remote from God today as those who lack TVs, Internet and literature today. Yet God commissioned a Hebrew prophet to take the Gospel to them. That prophet was unwilling to go - and this is actually the whole point of that story in the Bible (no, the fish was not the point) - because he knew that if he proclaimed the Gospel to these people and they repented, God would forgive them just like He was always forgiving the Hebrews too. But God really pressed the matter. That was where the fish came in. He wouldn't let Jonah escape going. He stirred up a storm to prevent him from escaping the mission. He got a fish to trap him and hold him to ransom until he came round. And he did...as God knew that he would. His heart was really hard against Gentiles though so it still took another lesson for God to get through to him but that was after he had given the Gospel to Nineveh. He proclaimed the Gospel in Nineveh, like I said, and the whole city repented. And God spared them the destruction He had planned for them. This was how far God went to save a Gentile city in an age without safe travel, TV, Internet or easily portable literature of any kind. How much more today? All it takes for anyone today - as always - to find Salvation or gain access to spiritual growth is to want it. The desire is enough for God to move Heaven and Earth to get the Gospel to them. He has always done that. Jonah and Nineveh are only one example in the Bible. There are others. So, neither today nor in all of past human history has there ever been a person or group of people who wanted to be saved and wasn't. XxSabrinaxX:Your objections here don't quite demonstrate how what I said contradicts the idea of God's omniscience, omnipotence, and omnibenevolence. So, perhaps you should explain the contradiction better. Meantime, I will answer your objections. God doesn't cancel suffering because His Eternal Plan for creation involves free will. That free will produced moral evil in the case of a third of the angels and 100% of mankind except for Jesus Christ. That moral evil directly causes suffering and also attracts divine judgment which also produces suffering for those associated in any way with the moral evil in question. The only way to change this, as far as I can see, is for God to remove free will from His moral creatures. But that would mean altering His Plan and why should He if in the end that Plan will result in a perfect creation where there is nothing evil or painful or troublesome in any way at all although there will still be moral creatures in it except that they no longer need to make a choice about God since they already have and that choice has been sealed for all eternity? How do you find God responsible for the condition of human lives? If it is because He created all things knowing how they would turn out, why does that take away from the responsibility of moral creatures to make the right decision and submit to God rather than rebel against Him? XxSabrinaxX:What are these teachings, statements and events you mean and what do they contradict? Name some of these historians and what they debunked. Who debunked the creation story and how was it debunked? You asked a question and I answered it. I was under no obligation to prove anything. Nor did I have any inclination to. Why do you want proof though? Do you consider any religion at all true? XxSabrinaxX:Seeing as I already answered this question elsewhere, I am not sure why you ask it again? Do you mean something other than "absolutely perfect" by "righteous" here? XxSabrinaxX:Still not sure what you are asking about here. I know of no teaching in the Bible that holds that God did not know what Adam and Eve would do when He created them. XxSabrinaxX:Per your first question, I already explained in our earlier conversation. I am loath to repeat it here. Per your second, I'm not sure what you refer to. I don't see how anything I said translates to what you said here. I told you that if any human being lives a perfect existence not violating God's Will in any way, then they don't need to be saved at all and are automatically qualified to be with God eternally. But if they don't, then their only hope is the Lord Jesus Christ. Otherwise, they can only look forward to eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire. XxSabrinaxX:The difference is that we won't have much of a relationship if I don't pray. XxSabrinaxX:Doubt? Who said anything about doubt? Why do you think that anyone has any problem with understanding such a concept? XxSabrinaxX:No He isn't. Moral creatures are. Evil was never necessary to creation. Free will does not necessitate evil at all. Nor was evil part of God's Creation. It is by definition the negative response of a moral creature's free will to God's Authority and as such is not God's Work at all. I know because the Bible also says that there is nothing evil in God. And in that verse, peace, rather than 'good', is placed opposite to evil. That is already an indication to the fact that 'evil' here is not moral. A number of other translations read 'calamity' or 'disaster' instead. XxSabrinaxX:In our last conversation, you remember that I refused to defend an argument because I never made it to you. I told you then that I am averse to being made responsible to prove anything I don't claim. If you ask me to answer questions, I am happy to. If you demand evidence for a claim I have not made to you, I may or may not offer it. That depends on how generous I want to be. The problem is that you act exactly like many antichristians I know while insisting that you are not one. Your threads are all attacks (not that you are not welcome to them, you certainly are) and for that reason I generally don't participate. But you specifically called my attention here just to attack me in stealth? That is not something anyone does in good faith. I do find you delightful to discuss with sometimes and I wish that were always the case. I wish that I could believe that you are really just trying to understand the Christian Faith or why anyone could hold such a "ridiculous" worldview. But I don't. I see too much evidence of an effort to destroy a Faith if you can. I told you that I have an interest in the health of weaker believers than myself so it is currently impossible to give you benefit of the doubt anymore. XxSabrinaxX:You are welcome to your preferences. But I don't really care what you believe. However, since you have made these claims, perhaps you can show how evolution and the Big Bang explain creation better. 1 Like |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 1:16pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX, Thank you for mentioning me here... I, so far, see about (2) people here (one of which you are conversing with strongly), that are answering the questions pretty well. I suggest reading their comments. I will see if there's anything I can add to them later. |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by godwinstringed1(m): 1:21pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
![]() Mobilia: Hmm! I'll need to correct some instances in Nairaland religion section these days! The devil is a liar |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 1:26pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
godwinstringed1: I'm a little confused here. I wasn't referring to you being either of the "two". I have mentioned them before in another thread because they have written some biblically sound posts/threads. I am trying to be discreet as to not mention names..or place them on a pedestal...because they are still flawed human beings and no one knows it all perfectly. I, am not familiar with your posts/threads in the religion section. But if I see some, I will check them out. |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by godwinstringed1(m): 1:29pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
Mobilia: Smiles! The kingdom suffereth violence indeed! |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 1:30pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
godwinstringed1:Nema. ![]() |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by godwinstringed1(m): 1:33pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Martinez19(m): 1:38pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement:Lol. He was never catholic. This is ignorance of the first kind. SHOCKER: Einstein was an atheist. ![]() |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 1:50pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
Martinez19: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/dec/04/physicist-albert-einstein-god-letter-reflecting-on-religion-up-for-auction-christies
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Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by LordReed(m): 2:05pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
Martinez19: Einstein was not an atheist, he was sort of an agnostic deist. |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 2:09pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:She doesn't have to be a "Big Banger" to accept or understand that there was an explosion billions of years ago. Explosions like that were bound to happen before other events could take place. How the explosion occurred shouldn't be difficult to ascertain either. We know what the chemical properties of anything that exists are capable of. What caused the explosion is the same as what causes you to talk, that is,your need to react to what you are experiencing. Whatever the cosmic system-that grew up to become what we call the Universe today-must have experienced in terms of manner or condition of state(internally and externally),which must have been a factor affecting its activity just as in the case of every thing that exists, was also the cause of whatever degree of change of state of the cosmic system, which has been described as the Big Bang because of its magnitude. 'The Bang Bang',considering its most important and explanatory details, doesn't require cult-like adherence. You don't have to be a believer or preacher of 'The Big Bang'. You just have to understand the basics. 'The Big Bang' can't and doesn't have to explain what you call "Everything". 2 Likes |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 2:16pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
LordReed:Yes,Einstein once said that God doesn't play with dice. But we keep making it look like he knew everything. He wasn't above stupid judgments which could happen to anyone at anytime depending on the "what/where/when/how/which/why's". |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 2:27pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement:I love your response. nice one 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by sonmvayina(m): 2:39pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
[url][/url] luvmijeje:oh sorry, you are definitely not a reader.. It is like saying super man killed zod so he must be a good guy |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Martinez19(m): 2:53pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
LordReed:He was an atheist notorious for using the word "god", god to Einstein was the universe and Einstein adored and venerated what he taught were the beautiful dynamics, synchronisation and structure of the universe. He saw the worship of this god as studying and discovering it's secrets. In the 1927 solvey conference where quantum mechanics, a fast rising field then, was being discussed, there was a debate between two groups of scientists : one (in which Neils Bohr was part of) which supported the results of quantum mechanics that the universe does yield probabilistic outcomes and the other (in which Einstein was among) which said that the entire universe give deterministic and predictable outcomes. It was during that debate the Einstein said "god does not play dice." Though Einstein's team lost. |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by LordReed(m): 2:57pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
Martinez19: Thats why I wrote sort of agnostic deist. He outrightly refused to call himself an atheist. "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for support of such views,"he said |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 3:05pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
Martinez19:Einstein was kind of a deist. But he had his own ideas of god/God. Einstein wasn't always correct. So even if he thought the Universe was everything, I will always disagree with most philosophers and thinkers including him on such matters. |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 3:06pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
Martinez19:Einstein was kind of a deist. But he had his own ideas of god/God. Einstein wasn't always correct. So even if he thought the Universe was everything, I will always disagree with most philosophers and thinkers including him on such matters. |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Martinez19(m): 3:09pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement:Lol. The writer is just playing mental gymnastics ![]() I know many religious folks like to use the argument from authority eg. "this intelligent scientist believed in god therefore god must exist and that god is my god" ![]() ![]() |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 3:13pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
Martinez19: Even if I concede that to you about Einstein, how about the other scientists too. There must be at least 15 on that list I posted but it was only Einstein you saw right? |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 3:16pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Nobody: 3:18pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
godwinstringed1:We don't give a damn about you actually. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Martinez19(m): 3:18pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
5thElement:So if 99% of scientists believed in the great juju at the bottom of the sea, you will believe as well? Enjoy your safety in numbers ![]() 1 Like |
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