JeromeBlack:



Tribalism is worse than racism? A statement spoken by a Nigerian?

This the problem that occurs when
1. People don't know their history
2. People have not experienced real racism.


You do realise that black folks were enslaved for over 300 years by racist Arabs and whites? Your very country is a result of racism. The very tibalism in Nigeria is a result of a racist person called Lord Lugard who assumed that all Nigerian tribes are the same and made a country that has over 250 divisions (tribes).

The holocaust was a result of racism. 6 million Jews killed.

Do you even ask why the hutu and tutsis didnt kill themselves for centuries until some racist white guys sold them weapons?


If I talk pako now, them go complain.......

All of you wey dey abroad always feel they are better then we here and you look down on us.

Oyinbo will look down on you over there, tell you to go to your country and look at you like you are a monkey, but you still stay put. Better to be a slave in foreign than be a king in Nigeria, but i can't stand racism so i cry, yin yin yin.

oyetpel:


Rwanda own na small na, Or she na Biafra own we go talk? Wey Ahmadu Bello said Hausas will rather employ foreigners than employ igbos, before Kaduna Nzeogbu catapulted him to heaven.

Biafra and the other cases of tribalism in Nigeria is a result of racism. Nigeria was never supposed to be a country. How can a country survive with so many tribes? The Europeans understood this but that person called Lord Lugard made Nigeria into one country because he assumed that all african negroes are the same.

To be clear, I don't support Biafra. We have no choice but to work together now.

As for Hausas and the Fulanis, the religion of islam and lack of education makes them very primitive. I am not saying that islam is bad but when one mixes religion with illiteracy, the combination is deadly.

This is why till today, tribalism is worse in the north.

oyetpel:


All of you wey dey abroad always feel they are better then we here and you look down on us.

Oyinbo will look down on you over there, tell you to go to your country and look at you like you are a monkey, but you still stay put. Better to be a slave in foreign than be a king in Nigeria, but i can't stand racism so i cry, yin yin yin.

Error!

I am a Nigerian living in Nigeria! I'm black like Guinness extra stout. I lived in Europe when I was younger!

No try am oo! I be Lagos boy.

oyetpel:


All of you wey dey abroad always feel they are better then we here and you look down on us.

No....no...no!

Why would I look down on my fellow Nigerians?

Wetin dey abroad sef?

How many Nigerians drive Range Rover abroad? In the UK or USA, the average Nigerian is not rich. Here is where you can make money.

None of the Nigerians that have houses in North London (one of the most expensive areas of real estate in the world) made their money in the UK. They are all ex-politicians and businessmen made in Nigeria.

You can never be rich in another man's country. I know professionals that have gone to london and usa that earn 100,000 dollars a year. With all that money, they cannot drive porsche and ferraris that common yahoo boys are driving here.

JeromeBlack:



Error!

I am a Nigerian living in Nigeria! I'm black like Guinness extra stout. I lived in Europe when I was younger!

No try am oo! I be Lagos boy.

hmm, why u con dey do ajebo b4?

You know my brother is in Australia, and if you know some of the packages he enjoyed while in school. The school gave money to buy a brand new laptop, he can pay his school fees in 3 installments if there is a reason he couldn't pay it once.

Sometimes when he bad mouths white people i caution him, because what they have done for him and good life he's enjoying his country can't give him. Their police don't harass like our own here.

The whites did blacks wrong with slavery but they are paying back after realising they were wrong.

JeromeBlack:



Tribalism is worse than racism? A statement spoken by a Nigerian?

This the problem that occurs when
1. People don't know their history
2. People have not experienced real racism.


You do realise that black folks were enslaved for over 300 years by racist Arabs and whites? Your very country is a result of racism. The very tibalism in Nigeria is a result of a racist person called Lord Lugard who assumed that all Nigerian tribes are the same and made a country that has over 250 divisions (tribes).

The holocaust was a result of racism. 6 million Jews killed.

Do you even ask why the hutu and tutsis didnt kill themselves for centuries until some racist white guys sold them weapons?


If I talk pako now, them go complain.......

Bruh, calm down and get the point. You are talking about the scale. Nobody is arguing about the scale with you. We are talking about the parties involved and that's what makes tribalism more mind boggling. In racism, it's between people of virtually different descendants and social status and whatnot but with tribalism.... do I even need to explain that one? You know those involved.
P.S: Are Jews a race though? It is said they descended from Abraham if I am not wrong but was Abraham and his fathers before him not Caucasian?
Also, remember the slave trade was also facilitated by some of our forefathers who were given mirrors, guns and even salt at that time which were rare items at the time in exchange of their own kin. Guess what TRIBALISM.

troubleseller:

Also, remember the slave trade was also facilitated by some of our forefathers who were given mirrors, guns and even salt at that time which were rare items at the time in exchange of their own kin. Guess what TRIBALISM.

Who told you this story? White men? Take a look at your brother/sister/family and then tell me if you will sell them for any amount of money.

Nonsense.

troubleseller:
Bruh, calm down and get the point. You are talking about the scale. Nobody is arguing about the scale with you. We are talking about the parties involved and that's what makes tribalism more mind boggling. In racism, it's between people of virtually different descendants and social status and whatnot but with tribalism.... do I even need to explain that one? You know those involved.
P.S: Are Jews a race though? It is said they descended from Abraham if I am not wrong but was Abraham and his fathers before him not Caucasian?

The bare truth is that tribalism is not that weird at all. It is a natural impulse. After all, why do we mock Ghanians?

Tribalism actually has a purpose. In olden times, it was survival of the fittest. The stronger tribe prevailed.

The Europeans understood this and this is why European countries hardly have more than 2 tribes.

Take the UK for example. The scottish hate the english. The English punished the scottish for years.

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The problem with African tribalism is twofold

1. Europeans formed their own countries. Compatible tribes were given a country together. African countries were formed by Europeans who didnt care for our tribes

2. Ignorance and illiteracy. Only ignorant fools still hold tribal grudges. in 2018, we should be looking at making money together. Compare this to Europe where they have high literacy.


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Lastly, Jews are from the middle east. As for Abraham, that guy is a fictional character from the bible.

JeromeBlack:


Who told you this story? White men? Take a look at your brother/sister/family and then tell me if you will sell them for any amount of money.

Nonsense.

Bruh, don't play the 'we are our brother's keeper' card. You are smarter than that. Brothers have been killing themselves since the beginning of time.

troubleseller:
Bruh, don't play the 'we are our brother's keeper' card. You are smarter than that. Brothers have been killing themselves since the beginning of time.

Why is it that people always forget to mention african slave hunters who worked for the white man? Do you know that slave hunting was a despised job in many tribes?

Did some tribes engage in slave trade wholeheartedly? Yes, but they were few.

Did you know that there were tribes who fought against slavery? They were killed by whites.

What is the word for "slave" in yoruba, igbo, hausa etc? I ask this because in my language, there is no word for "slave"- only "servant"

JeromeBlack:


Why is it that people always forget to mention african slave hunters who worked for the white man? Do you know that slave hunting was a despised job in many tribes?

Did some tribes engage in slave trade wholeheartedly? Yes, but they were few.

Did you know that there were tribes who fought against slavery? They were killed by whites.

I only gave that example to show how bad tribalism was. On one hand, u have men armed to the teeth come to cart u away. On the other hand, ur own ruler is giving u away to the same people u heard are taking pple away. Which wuld be mre surprisimg to u?

JeromeBlack:


Why is it that people always forget to mention african slave hunters who worked for the white man? Do you know that slave hunting was a despised job in many tribes?

Did some tribes engage in slave trade wholeheartedly? Yes, but they were few.

Did you know that there were tribes who fought against slavery? They were killed by whites.

What is the word for "slave" in yoruba, igbo, hausa etc? I ask this because in my language, there is no word for "slave"- only "servant"

Yoruba

Slave - Eru
Servant - Omo odo, omo ise

Damfostopper:
Iceman the Time Traveller.... 6/10

Did you watch the movie at the cinema?

JeromeBlack:

The bare truth is that tribalism is not that weird at all. It is a natural impulse. After all, why do we mock Ghanians?
Tribalism actually has a purpose. In olden times, it was survival of the fittest. The stronger tribe prevailed.

My God.

Are you surprised?

I am not.

The guy is allergic to common sense

troubleseller:
My God.

JeromeBlack:

1. Shocking as it is that you called tribalism 'survival', I am going to folo ur reasoning and ask u. Is racism not also 'survival'? Y do u think Hitler wntd to exterminate Jews? Because of their skin colour? No. Because of their commercial prowess. Jews have always bin good merchants and Hitl didn't wnt them to bloom. Look at the world nw. We have the Wozniacks, Zuckerbergs nd even Spielberg. It was a flawed reasoning bt prophetic. Jst search for companies started by Jews. They are the world's best businessmen. Not siding Hitler, jst toeing ur line of reasoning.
2. If by Europeans u mean whites, u are wrong. There are European countries with a lot of ethnic groups. E.g Turkey. Just google ethnic groups of Europe and remember tribe and ethnic groups are the same thing.
3. LOOL. Europeans didn't form their own countries. Countries were made as soverignties hve always bin made, by war and cmptible tribes were not given a country. It's nt the fúckin Berlin Conference. Geographical closeness mde sure after wars, ethnic groups with similar traits stayed together.
4. Knw that the West was developed with the blood and sweat of our ancestors.
5. And middle easterners are caucasians except what I've bin taught abt races is nw obselete.

troubleseller:
My God.

alexistaiwo:
Are you surprised?


I am not.


The guy is allergic to common sense

I weep for Nigerian education. This is what happens when history and philosophy are not taught at an early age.

I was clearly explaining the origins and nature of tribalism before explaining why it is problematic in Nigerias case.


But it seems that I am explaining things to aje pakos who have inferiority complex......


A moment of silence to Nigeria's failed educational system............


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JeromeBlack:


I weep for Nigerian education. This is what happens when history and philosophy are not taught at an early age.

I was clearly explaining the origins and nature of tribalism before explaining why it is problematic in Nigerias case.

But it seems that I am explaining things to aje pakos who have inferiority complex......


A moment of silence to Nigeria's failed educational system............


www.nairaland.com/attachments/8490209_img20181117153358962_jpeg3788d0323ce843f078219482bbeeca4e

Which Nigeria education do you weep for?

Are you minding him?

Someone that called tribalism "survival of the fittest" .


Aje butter chokoness

AHCB:
Which Nigeria education do you weep for?

JeromeBlack:


I weep for Nigerian education. This is what happens when history and philosophy are not taught at an early age.
I was clearly explaining the origins and nature of tribalism before explaining why it is problematic in Nigerias case.
But it seems that I am explaining things to aje pakos who have inferiority complex......
A moment of silence to Nigeria's failed educational system.......

You insulted two people at once but I am not even mad at you. I am actually mad at your philosophy and history teachers who told you that was the origin of tribalism and who also taught you that the justification for tribalism was survival of the fittest. I am also mad at the biology teacher who taught you that an example of Darwin's survival of the fittest theory included tribalism. Don't blame it on the educational system blame it on those your teachers and shed all your tears for them, you hear....

troubleseller:
1. Shocking as it is that you called tribalism 'survival', I am going to folo ur reasoning and ask u. Is racism not also 'survival'? Y do u think Hitler wntd to exterminate Jews? Because of their skin colour? No. Because of their commercial prowess. Jews have always bin good merchants and Hitl didn't wnt them to bloom. Look at the world nw. We have the Wozniacks, Zuckerbergs nd even Spielberg. It was a flawed reasoning bt prophetic. Jst search for companies started by Jews. They are the world's best businessmen. Not siding Hitler, jst toeing ur line of reasoning.
2. If by Europeans u mean whites, u are wrong. There are European countries with a lot of ethnic groups. E.g Turkey. Just google ethnic groups of Europe and remember tribe and ethnic groups are the same thing.
3. LOOL. Europeans didn't form their own countries. Countries were made as soverignties hve always bin made, by war and cmptible tribes were not given a country. It's nt the fúckin Berlin Conference. Geographical closeness mde sure after wars, ethnic groups with similar traits stayed together.
4. Knw that the West was developed with the blood and sweat of our ancestors.
5. And middle easterners are caucasians except what I've bin taught abt races is nw obselete.

1. a) It is clear that you do not realise that I am not supporting tribalism. If you do not understand that I was talking about the origin
and the evolutionary advantage that tribalism offered in ancient times, then I suggest you do more reading on tribalism and socio-cultural evolution.

b) Hitler was a racist and not a tribalist. The aryan race. Brush up your history

c) Jews are not the best businessmen in the world. Isreal would have been the richest country but it is not. The top 3 richest people in America or the world arent Jewish.


2) A side-note, Turkey is not in the EU. But Generally, European countries were not ehtnically diverse at their founding. I do not know what you
are on about.


3) Yes, it was Asians, Americans and Africans that drew the borders of Europe and not Europeans.

4) I know that the West was developed with slave labour.

5) It depends on what you are trying to say. If you are speaking with modern meaning of caucasian to mean "white", then middle eastern people do not qualify as caucasian. But if you are using the dated anthropological term, then yes they belong to the caucasian race but under the "hamitic" subrace while white people belong to the sub race of "Nordic"

AHCB:
Which Nigeria education do you weep for?

The Nigerian education where-

1. People are not taught their history.

2. People believe that Abraham is a real person that existed (some Nigerians believe that they descended from father Abraham)

3. People do not understand racism

4. That focuses on cramming rather than reasoning

5 That only teaches philosophy as an graduate/undergraduate course in the university

6. That creates illiterate graduates.

troubleseller:
You insulted two people at once but I am not even mad at you. I am actually mad at your philosophy and history teachers who told you that was the origin of tribalism and who also taught you that the justification for tribalism was survival of the fittest. I am also mad at the biology teacher who taught you that an example of Darwin's survival of the fittest theory included tribalism. Don't blame it on the educational system blame it on those your teachers and shed all your tears for them, you hear....

It is frustrating dealing with people who mock what they do not understand.

I have two people who seem not to understand simple explanations. I was explaining why in the past people where tribalistic. I am not supporting or justifying tribalism.

JeromeBlack:

The Nigerian education where-

1. People are not taught their history.

2. People believe that Abraham is a real person that existed (some Nigerians believe that they descended from father Abraham)

3. People do not understand racism

4. That focuses on cramming rather than reasoning

5 That only teaches philosophy as an graduate/undergraduate course in the university

6. That creates illiterate graduates.

hope you know western education doesn't really produce geniuses?

This same Nigeria education you're bad mouthing has produce people who go abroad to school and excel beyond imagination.

You should know, it is not the education that is the problem, but the individual.

AHCB:
hope you know western education doesn't really produce geniuses?

This same Nigeria education you're bad mouthing has produce people who go abroad to school and excel beyond imagination.

You should know, it is not the education that is the problem, but the individual.

Really?

You do realise that the Nigerian educational system is an outdated version of western education?

The photocopy cannot be clearer than the original.

Yes, we have intelligent people but the educational system in Nigeria limits them. The Nigerians that go on to excel there are just a drop of water in the ocean.


This is not to say that nigeria cannot be better than the west. We can but our culture of fear and inferiority complex will not let us.

Just right here on this thread, we have people mocking what they do not understand. People afraid of change and not learning new things.

One full page for banter ..no movie reviews, no suggestions ....Oya all of you use the door...

Itzneowizy:
One full page for banter ..no movie reviews, no suggestions ....Oya all of you use the door...

Oga, the year has just started. No good films are out yet

JeromeBlack:

1a. I didn't say you were supporting tribalism. It is your statement that tribalism is an evolutionary trend that surprised me. Survival of the fittest was by going to war not people from the Oyo empire buying leather that their tribesmen made and not from the merchants from Sokoto. That was common sense. Tribalism is more than that.
b. LOL. Never said Hitler was tribalist. Was only using your logic to explain that racism was also survival of the fittest which is wrong because survival of the fittest should only come into play when resources are limited. When Hitler was killing Jews, were resources limited? And why are you mentioning the Aryan race? I don't understand.
c. Ok but some of the largest corporations in the world have been and are still controlled by them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_businesspeople?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C8440489451
2. That is political classification. By geograpgical classification, Turkey is Europe.
3. How
5. Forget all that grammar. Is Jew a race? That was the question.

Hmmm...



It's amusing that you guys don't even realise that tribalism is basically racism, but in a larger scale. Lolz. Tribalism is hatred against people of another tribe, race, religion, class, politics, and nationality.

KoiceReloaded:
Hmmm...



It's amusing that you guys don't even realise that tribalism is basically racism, but in a larger scale. Lolz.

Yes because race and tribe are the same construct.

You are so smart

troubleseller:
1a. I didn't say you were supporting tribalism. It is your statement that tribalism is an evolutionary trend that surprised me. Survival of the fittest was by going to war not people from the Oyo empire buying leather that their tribesmen made and not from the merchants from Sokoto. That was common sense. Tribalism is more than that.
b. LOL. Never said Hitler was tribalist. Was only using your logic to explain that racism was also survival of the fittest which is wrong because survival of the fittest should only come into play when resources are limited. When Hitler was killing Jews, were resources limited? And why are you mentioning the Aryan race? I don't understand.
c. Ok but some of the largest corporations in the world have been and are still controlled by them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_businesspeople?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C8440489451
2. That is political classification. By geograpgical classification, Turkey is Europe.
3. How
5. Forget all that grammar. Is Jew a race? That was the question.

Oga, i give up. Lets move on to movies.


Race is a touchy subject for me.