tbaba1234:


I disagree,

He should play AFCON. He is already at par with the wingers in the senior team and is beyond under 20 at the moment.

Typical Nigerian thinking bro

Now tell me how is he above u20 tournament ?

When a far more talented fabregas was playing 2 world youth championship after already breaking into Arsenal first team in the second one which is the World youth championship 2005

Should I also tell you that talented Sergio aguero played 2 world youth championship and already banging goals for ATM first team ?

Naija I hail the way una sabi overhype player pass him age

He should play Afcon, He should play Afcon

Onyekuru has been forgotten

Youth football should not be about winning. Winning is a bonus. IT IS about developing players. Picking a player to play in the U-20s should not simply be a case of finding anyone who is eligible. Youth football is only worshiped in Africa and maybe some of those countries that dont stand a chance in the big boys game.

I will happily swap 100 U-20 titles for 1 AFCON, and anything to enhance our chances of winning a proper big mans trophy should be done. If that means keeping Chukwueze out of the U-20s I will happily support the idea.

Mbappe will not play for France, will he? He is eligible though.

andrew444:


Typical Nigerian thinking bro

Now tell me how is he above u20 tournament ?

When a far more talented fabregas was playing 2 world youth championship after already breaking into Arsenal first team in the second one which is the World youth championship 2005

Should I also tell you that talented Sergio aguero played 2 world youth championship and already banging goals for ATM first team ?

Naija I hail the way una sabi overhype player pass him age

Aguero did not have the choice of two tournaments. Samu does.. if we were only participating in one tournament, then why not?

Besides, Rooney did not play for the under 20 team for instance. So there are examples both ways.

If we want our best 23 at AFCON, Samu will be a part of it.

Icon4s:


Apart from Chukwueze, I would also love to see Orji Okonkwo and Kingsley Michael in that U20 Team. Some of these youngsters need to be gradually eased into the national team. They need to go through the age grade developmental phase.

They need to be cutting it at thier parent clubs and showing quality or playing U20 will amount to nothing for both the SE and themselves.

You can't push your professional career on youth football. It's a stepping stone to announce your potential not much more.

Potential not nurtured developed and enhanced will sadly fade away and be forgotten.

When you look at most top countries some of thier players have had 2/3 seasons of first team football. That's progression.

BascoVanVeli:


I was talking about the world cup.

You mean "just play 1 or 2 games at the U20 WC and then haul him off to the AFCON"?

tbaba1234:


Aguero did not have the choice of two tournaments. Samu does.. if we were only participating in one tournament, then why not?

Besides, Rooney did not play for the under 20 team for instance. So there are examples both ways.

If we want our best 23 at AFCON, Samu will be a part of it.

Is samu the only player in eagles ?

You want the coach to take him so there will be no chance for onyekuru ba ? When Samu can play in the u20 World Cup while others can't .

Anyway the coach will decide

You think aguero will even make the Argentina team then even if he had the choice to go to another tournament ?

Icon4s:


That is where we always make the mistake: underrating the U20 competition. With this mindset we can never win the U20 World Cup

Samuel Chukwueze is not beyond the U20.

I don't need to mention the composition of players in the last English U20 team.

How many of the players in the last England under 20 had played a full premier league season. How many were starters in the premier league? How many were making waves in the premier legue?

Once Wayne Rooney exploded for Everton, he did not play youth football again.

If we had just the under 20 tournament, why not? But i feel like if we choose our best 23 for AFCON, Samu will have a great chance of making it.

tbaba1234:


How many of the players in the last England under 20 had played a full premier league season. How many were starters in the premier league? How many were making waves in the premier legue?

Once Wayne Rooney exploded for Everton, he did not play youth football again.

If we had just the under 20 tournament, why not? But i feel like if we choose our best 23 for AFCON, Samu will have a great chance of making it.

Don't compare Rooney case to chukwueze ,Rooney was world class immediately he landed at united so you don't expect england best striker to play youth football

andrew444:


Is samu the only player in eagles ?

You want the coach to take him so there will be no chance for onyekuru ba ? When Samu can play in the u20 World Cup while others can't .

Anyway the coach will decide

You think aguero will even make the Argentina team then even if he had the choice to go to another tournament ?

Chukwueze will make the best 23 if given a chance. How many natural left footed offensive players are in the team?

AFCON is a priority in my opinion.

andrew444:


Don't compare Rooney case to chukwueze ,Rooney was world class immediately he landed at united so you don't expect england best striker to play youth football

Rooney started at Everton.

Once he exploded at Everton, youth football was over for him.

komekn:


They need to be cutting it at thier parent clubs and showing quality or playing U20 will amount to nothing for both the SE and themselves.

You can't push your professional career on youth football. It's a stepping stone to announce your potential not much more.

Potential not nurtured developed and enhanced will sadly fade away and be forgotten.

When you look at most top countries some of thier players have had 2/3 seasons of first team football. That's progression.

Who would u rather he mentioned than those three? Of all those supposed countries with players already established club wise, who has a player better than Chukwueze? Thirdly, can u name one player from England who has played up to 3 professional seasons in the top leagues and still eligible for the U20 tourney?

Finally, this season, Kingsley Michael has won more MOTM awards professionally than all the players eligible to rep England in the next U20 tourney. Can u beat that?

komekn:


They need to be cutting it at thier parent clubs and showing quality or playing U20 will amount to nothing for both the SE and themselves.

You can't push your professional career on youth football. It's a stepping stone to announce your potential not much more.

Potential not nurtured developed and enhanced will sadly fade away and be forgotten.

When you look at most top countries some of thier players have had 2/3 seasons of first team football. That's progression.

So what do we do? Exclude them from the U20 Team when they are among our brightest U20 players presently?(especially as they are of about the right age)

Nobody is saying they should not be cutting it at their parent clubs. I mentioned Samuel Chukwueze, Orji Okonkwo and Kingsley Michael. Not just any other kind of players. I do not call for every d!ck and Harry's inclusion into the national teams.

ChrisKels:


Who would u rather he mentioned than those three? Of all those supposed countries with players already established club wise, who has a player better than Chukwueze? Thirdly, can u name one player from England who has played up to 3 professional seasons in the top leagues and still eligible for the U20 tourney?

Finally, this season, Kingsley Michael has won more MOTM awards professionally than all the players eligible to rep England in the next U20 tourney. Can u beat that?

He was probably expecting me to name those English boys. So predictable. I do not count my chickens before my eggs are laid.
I can only speak about players that are available to play for us.

komekn:


They need to be cutting it at thier parent clubs and showing quality or playing U20 will amount to nothing for both the SE and themselves.

You can't push your professional career on youth football. It's a stepping stone to announce your potential not much more.

Potential not nurtured developed and enhanced will sadly fade away and be forgotten.

When you look at most top countries some of thier players have had 2/3 seasons of first team football. That's progression.

Can u answer this question below?

tbaba1234:


How many of the players in the last England under 20 had played a full premier league season. How many were starters in the premier league? How many were making waves in the premier League and other top leagues?

Even Pogba's all conquering 2013 U20 set were made up of prospects with less professional experiences. I could remember laughing my ass out whenever Sabaly(now plays for Senegal) was on the ball trynna do a Marcelo from his full back position.

When Cedric Bakambu, Gael Kakuta, Alex Lacazette and co beat us blue black in 2011, they were nothing professionally and that tourney went a long way to give shape to their professional careers.

Icon4s:


He was probably expecting me to name those English boys. So predictable. I do not count my chickens before my eggs are laid.
I can only speak about players that are available to play for us.

U cant be that stewpid nah.

tbaba1234:


How many of the players in the last England under 20 had played a full premier league season. How many were starters in the premier league? How many were making waves in the premier legue?

Once Wayne Rooney exploded for Everton, he did not play youth football again.

If we had just the under 20 tournament, why not? But i feel like if we choose our best 23 for AFCON, Samu will have a great chance of making it.

Has Samuel Chukwueze played a full league season? This was an English team that had: Dominic Solanke, Ademola Lookman, Sheyi Ojo, Ovie Edjaria, Joshua Onoma, Ainsley Maitland-Niles, Dominic Calvert-Lewin among others. If these players could not be said to be above U20 level at that time (2017). How can we say Chukwueze is above the U20 level?

ChrisKels:


U cant be that stewpid nah.

Maybe because he saw me arguing in favor of the English U20 Team.

I will always stand by the truth. Truth be told that English team was loaded with quality exposed youngsters.

Icon4s:


Has Samuel Chukwueze played a full league season? This was an English team that had: Dominic Solanke, Ademola Lookman, Sheyi Ojo, Ovie Edjaria, Joshua Onoma, Ainsley Maitland-Niles, Dominic Calvert-Lewin among others. If these players could not be said to be above U20 level at that time (2017). How can we say Chukwueze is above the U20 level?

By that time, none of those players had done anything of note in the premier league.

Chukwueze has already done more than all those players put together in the last few months. By the time AFCON comes, he would have had almost a full season of top flight football.

He is already a regular, none of those players that won the world cup were regulars in the premier league.

ChrisKels:


Can u answer this question below?



Even Pogba's all conquering 2013 U20 set were made up of prospects with less professional experiences. I could remember laughing my ass out whenever Sabaly(now plays for Senegal) was on the ball trynna do a Marcelo from his full back position.

When Cedric Bakambu, Gael Kakuta, Alex Lacazette and co beat us blue black in 2011, they were nothing professionally and that tourney went a long way to give shape to their professional careers.

The U20 has always been a spring board for young professionals. But if you have a young professional who is a starter already in his club it doesn't mean he should be excluded from the U20 level. As long as he falls within the age bracket he is still within the U20 level. Why didn't Argentina stop Messi and Aguero from playing in the U20 WCs back then?

Icon4s:


Maybe because he saw me arguing in favor of the English U20 Team.

I will always stand by the truth. Truth be told that English team was loaded with quality exposed youngsters.

Yea they had that exposure but none had done anything meaningful professionally prior that world cup. Pro the world cup sef, most have gone into oblivion. Their exposures no pass wetin Chuks, Orji, Kingsley already have

tbaba1234:


By that time, none of those players had done anything of note in the premier league.

Chukwueze has already done more than all those players put together in the last few months. By the time AFCON comes, he would have had almost a full season of top flight football.

He is already a regular, none of those players that won the world cup were regulars in the premier league.

Can Villarreal that is battling relegation be compared with any of the Top 8 English teams? Can Chukwueze make starting 11 in Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Man United, Liverpool, Mancity or even Everton? These were the clubs majority of those boys were in then. And they were already getting a couple of minutes in the EPL and in some cases full 90minutes in Cup games.

ChrisKels:


Yea they had that exposure but none had done anything meaningful professionally prior that world cup. Pro the world cup sef, most have gone into oblivion. Their exposures no pass wetin Chuks, Orji, Kingsley already have

So why would we classify Chuks as being above the U20 Level?

Icon4s:


The U20 has always been a spring board for young professionals. But if you have a young professional who is a starter already in his club it doesn't mean he should be excluded from the U20 level. As long as he falls within the age bracket he is still within the U20 level. Why didn't Argentina stop Messi and Aguero from playing in the U20 WCs back then?

See ehn Sir Pee, I understand the angle u coming from, buh do we have a better winger to handle that right wing for the super eagles at the AFCON? Yes Chukwueze aint above the U20 tourney, age wise, buh he is ripe for the super eagles already. The question now is, where is his services needed the most, and what stage would most benefit both the nation and the boy's career?

When ghana won it, a certain Andre Ayew was playing for both the senior national team of Ghana and the satellites. I wish Chuks could combine the two just like Ayew did sha

Icon4s:


Can Villarreal that is battling relegation be compared with any of the Top 8 English teams? Can Chukwueze make starting 11 in Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Man United, Liverpool, Mancity or even Everton? These were the clubs majority of those boys were in then. And they were already getting a couple minutes in the EPL and in some cases full 90minutes in Cup games.

Villarreal is not a perennial relegation team. They were top 8 last season. That is why they are in the Europa league. They are having an unusually bad season.

Chukwueze is making his mark even against the big teams, Real Madrid and Barca. He is doing remarkably against top level competition.

Apart from Liverpool and Mancity, He will have a shout to make the first 11 of the others.

Icon4s:


Can Villarreal that is battling relegation be compared with any of the Top 8 English teams? Can Chukwueze make starting 11 in Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Man United, Liverpool, Mancity or even Everton? These were the clubs majority of those boys were in then. And they were already getting a couple of minutes in the EPL and in some cases full 90minutes in Cup games.

Big lie bro, big lie

Most of those players wouldn't start for this struggling Villarreal team and Chukwueze of today would be in and around the first team corridors of those clubs u mentioned.

Reel out the names of those players and place them side by side with Chuks, then tell me something. Ojo, Solanke, Ejaria, Tomori et al, were not as good as Chuks is today, before they embarked on that world cup journey

ChrisKels:



See ehn Sir Pee, I understand the angle u coming from, buh do we have a better winger to handle that right wing for the super eagles at the AFCON? Yes Chukwueze aint above the U20 tourney, age wise, buh he is ripe for the super eagles already. The question now is, where is his services needed the most, and what stage would most benefit both the nation and the boy's career?

When ghana won it, a certain Andre Ayew was playing for both the senior national team of Ghana and the satellites. I wish Chuks could combine the two just like Ayew did sha

First Bolded, Samuel Kalu, Iwobi and Musa can all play from the right. Chukwueze has not done anything worthy of note in the SE for us to say we will miss him at the AFCON. Wetin him don play? Which highlight of his game in the GWG do you have? That was how we were shouting "Onyekuru, Onyekuru" upan dan here last year. In the games he played for the SE how far?

I am not saying Chukwueze is not ripe for the SE besides, he is not the first player that played for both the SE and Flying Eagles simultaneously. The issue we have on ground is whether he should play at the AFCON or U20 WC as both tourneys are too close to each other for him to feature in both.

If you ask me where we need Chukwueze more is at the U20WC. If you ask me which will benefit him more I will also say it is the U20 WC. That is where stars are made.

tbaba1234:


Villarreal is not a perennial relegation team. They were top 8 last season. That is why they are in the Europa league. They are having an unusually bad season.

Chukwueze is making his mark even against the big teams, Real Madrid and Barca. He is doing remarkably against top level competition.

Apart from Liverpool and Mancity, He will have a shout to make the first 11 of the others.

For a young Chukwueze to be able to break into the starting 11 straight ahead, well that tells you about the available options they have in the team. Largely why they are battling relegation. At this stage of his career, Chukwueze wouldn't have been able to break into the staring 11 of any of the current top 8 teams in England or top 8 in 2017, with the kind of ease with which he did it with Villarreal.

Icon4s:

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If you ask me where we need Chukwueze more is at the U20WC. If you ask me which will benefit him more I will also say it is the U20 WC. That is where stars are made.

Chukwueze just needs to keep performing in La liga and he will be a star. Already, he has been linked with Athletico Mardrid and Real. He just needs to keep giving solid performances till the end of the season.

He does not need the under 20 tournament.

Icon4s:


First Bolded, Samuel Kalu, Iwobi and Musa can all play from the right. Chukwueze has not done anything worthy of note in the SE for us to say we will miss him at the AFCON. Wetin him don play? Which highlight of his game in the GWG do you have? That was how we were shouting "Onyekuru, Onyekuru" upan dan here last year. In the games he played for the SE how far?

All the wingers u mentioned have nothing on Chuks on the right wing. Only Kalu can try to give him a run for his money there, buh we all know Kalu does better playing from the left wing. Musa has never been useful as a winger let alone the right wing. Keshi had to bench his ass in 2013 bkus he cudnt do no jack playing from the right wing.

charlesemeka85:
Oga forget u and that echiejile experience. Experience that left him club less now. Na arrangi carry elderson and onazi go 2018 world cup hoooooha

These are aspects of our football that can not discounted unfortunately.

Otherwise how could a dead clueless Echiejile displace the Championship best RB arguably at the time.

Nigeria we hail thee

ChrisKels:


Big lie bro, big lie

Most of those players wouldn't start for this struggling Villarreal team and Chukwueze of today would be in and around the first team corridors of those clubs u mentioned.



Reel out the names of those players and place them side by side with Chuks, then tell me something. Ojo, Solanke, Ejaria, Tomori et al, were not as good as Chuks is today, before they embarked on that world cup journey

Ademola Lookman and Solanke with their 2017 forms would make that Villareal team. Samuel Chukwueze in his current form would not have made the starting 11 of Everton or Chelsea of 2017. Laye-laye. Maitland-Niles was already getting a couple league games for Arsenal and was playing in most Cup games. Same with Sheyi Ojo at Liverpool. Edjaria featured more in Cup games for Liverpool. Chukwueze couldn't have broken into the starting 11 of Arsenal and Liverpool of 2017.

Bottom Line is Chukwueze cannot be said to be above the U20 game level.