God created an angel with a free will and ability to choose his life course, God did not create him to be a puppet in God's hand

People made up these stories and, like all man-made stories, they have plot holes.

Well there are a lot of doubts about things in this world, but one thing I know is, live right, do good to your neighbors. Seun, do you agree??

People say God made man have free will, but if you think about it. Free will shouldn't hamper with Omniscience, either way having freewill or not is irrelevant.

God knew Adam and Eve would sin, he knew Satan would rebel. If he didn't know, he isn't Omniscient..It's that simple.

If he knew evil would arise because of this and didn't nothing to change it, then that states a flaw in the narrative of his Benevolence.


So at the end of the day we're left with accepting either God isn't truly Benevolent or God isn't truly Omniscient.

MJBOLT:

The word 'Omniscient' simply means the ability to know everything.if god is all knowing,why did he create lucifer knowing fully well that he will rebel against his master and try to take heaven for himself,which will result in lucifer getting cast unto the earth unleashing unimaginable pain and suffering.






Cc XxSabrinaxX,CAPSLOCKED,frosbel2,seun

@Bolded
No christian will ever give you a "straight-forward" answer to that question. Trust me, I've tried.
https://www.nairaland.com/4934371/hell-truly-exists-then-god

The nature of the biblical God contradicts itself. Putting all its exploits into consideration, it's difficult to attribute benevolence, omniscience and omnipotence to it.

Heathen777:
People say God made man have free will, but if you think about it. Free will shouldn't hamper with Omniscience, either way having freewill or not is irrelevant.

God knew Adam and Eve would sin, he knew Satan would rebel. If he didn't know, he isn't Omniscient..It's that simple.

If he knew evil would arise because of this and didn't nothing to change it, then that states a flaw in the narrative of his Benevolence.


So at the end of the day we're left with accepting either God isn't truly Benevolent or God isn't truly Omniscient.

if God knew that they will sin, that means that God created them to be bad, but God gave them the choice to choose between being good and being bad

XxSabrinaxX:

@Bolded
No christian will ever give you a "straight-forward" answer to that question. Trust me, I've tried.
https://www.nairaland.com/4934371/hell-truly-exists-then-god

Really? Pls could u come out plain and ask ur questions. Pls don't refer. Just ask and let ty bible answer u. So shoot

DavidEsq:

Really? Pls could u come out plain and ask ur questions. Pls don't refer. Just ask and let ty bible answer u. So shoot

Awesome. You can start by answering the OP's question.

XxSabrinaxX:

Awesome. You can start by answering the OP's question.

I think but wouldn't only wise to answer ur question(s), since ur is ur questions that appear to solidify ur opinions on OP's thread. Unless u are not asking a question but only making a conclusion without a mind that seeks to know. The book of Proverbs 2:4,5 encourages u to ask ur questions.

DavidEsq:

I think but wouldn't only wise to answer ur question(s), since ur is ur questions that appear to solidify ur opinions on OP's thread. Unless u are not asking a question but only making a conclusion without a mind that seeks to know. The book of Proverbs 2:4,5 encourages u to ask ur questions.

Dude, answer any question you want to answer.

XxSabrinaxX:

Dude, answer any question you want to answer.

OK, let's start with this issue of "omniscience" but u have to cross-check with the bible, in order to confirm the truth or otherwise of the scriptures. Are u good with that?

DavidEsq:

OK, let's start with this issue of "omniscience" but u have to cross-check with the bible, in order to confirm the truth or otherwise of the scriptures. Are u good with that?

I'm good

jasonguru:
God created an angel with a free will and ability to choose his life course, God did not create him to be a puppet in God's hand

Is it that God had "no choice" than to give freewill despite knowing the end of it?

jasonguru:
if God knew that they will sin, that means that God created them to be bad, but God gave them the choice to choose between being good and being bad

Freewill or not, it's irrelevant to an Omniscient being who knows the end from the beginning. If God knew his creation would sin and fall short, he could've made it such that they weren't capable of sinning.


Also, why would God need to test anybody if he already knows what their actions would be?

XxSabrinaxX:

I'm good

Now, omniscience is generally believed to mean that God knows everything that happens and that would happen. In fact, this belief appears to be strengthened by Isaiah 46:10 which says: "From the beginning I foretell the outcome,And from long ago the things that have not yet been done. I say, ‘My decision will stand,And I will do whatever I please".
When God made man be gave man a law as shown in Genesis 2:16-17: "Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Now, the scripture tells us that man disobeyed God's command. Did God foresee that, considering Isaiah 46:10? Let's answer that. U following?

DavidEsq:

Now, omniscience is generally believed to mean that God knows everything that happens and that would happen. In fact, this belief appears to be strengthened by Isaiah 46:10 which says: "From the beginning I foretell the outcome,And from long ago the things that have not yet been done. I say, ‘My decision will stand,And I will do whatever I please".
When God made man be gave man a law as shown in Genesis 2:16-17: "Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Now, the scripture tells us that man disobeyed God's command. Did God foresee that, considering Isaiah 46:10? Let's answer that. U following?

Yes, he did.

XxSabrinaxX:

Yes, he did.

Hi Sabrine.
I hope you're not avoiding me.

HellVictorinho:

Hi Sabrine.
I hope you're not avoiding me.

No. I'm a lot more busy nowadays

XxSabrinaxX:

Yes, he did.

So let's see wat the omniscient nature of God means.
we must first answer the question of freewill.
When God made man, he gave him the right to choose between right and wrong: Genesis 2:16,17. In fact, based on verse 17, man knew exactly the consequences of acting wrong. How far does this freewill stretch according to God's will? To answer that question, we have to first examine our everyday life.
When ur mother tells u not to make friends with boys, do u have the choice to obey or disobey? Let's get this first.

DavidEsq:

So let's see wat the omniscient nature of God means.
we must first answer the question of freewill.
When God made man, he gave him the right to choose between right and wrong: Genesis 2:16,17. In fact, based on verse 17, man knew exactly the consequences of acting wrong. How far does this freewill stretch according to God's will? To answer that question, we have to first examine our everyday life.
When ur mother tells u not to make friends with boys, do u have the choice to obey or disobey? Let's get this first.

I might be missing something, but can you explain the reasoning behind this analogy?

I would like to think that God is omniscient but recent happenings have put a pause on that for now.

Too many experiences in my PAST pathetic Pentecostal life that make me wonder and still wondering.

XxSabrinaxX:

I might be missing something, but can you explain the reasoning behind this analogy?

The reasoning is in the fact that u understand the question and can give an answer to it. If the question question clear, so is the answer. Isn't it?

DavidEsq:

The reasoning is in the fact that u understand the question and can give an answer to it. If the question question clear, so is the answer. Isn't it?

I'm obligated to obey my mother if its the morally right thing to do

XxSabrinaxX:

I'm obligated to obey my mother if its the morally right thing to do

When When were a child, did u understand what was morally right or wrong or u trusted ur mother to direct ur action. I believe that was why u (as well as many other kids) asked many questions.

DavidEsq:

When When were a child, did u understand what was morally right or wrong or u trusted ur mother to direct ur action. I believe that was why u (as well as many other kids) asked many questions.

I trusted her to direct my actions WHEN I was a toddler.

XxSabrinaxX:

I trusted her to direct my actions.

I appreciate ur honesty. So despite ur freewill, u trusted her to guide ur steps. So let's see how wat God does with our freewill. Since Isaiah 46:10 tells us that God can foretell the future, would that mean that God would peer into our future to see if we would be obedient or disobedient ppl? Without going into semantics, to say God CAN foretell the future, certainly means that God has to actually peer into our future because that would certainly be the way to know wat our actions would be. Does God d that? Let's see wat the bible says. Should we?

DavidEsq:

I appreciate ur honesty. So despite ur freewill, u trusted her to guide ur steps. So let's see how wat God does with our freewill. Since Isaiah 46:10 tells us that God can foretell the future, would that mean that God would peer into our future to see if we would be obedient or disobedient ppl? Without going into semantics, to say God CAN foretell the future, certainly means that God has to actually peer into our future because that would certainly be the way to know wat our actions would be. Does God d that? Let's see wat the bible says. Should we?

If God cannot see whether we will obey or disobey him after giving us instructions, then he is not omniscient.

XxSabrinaxX:

If God cannot see whether we will obey or disobey him after giving us instructions, then he is not omniscient.

Can we let the bible answer that question? I asked: can we, pls?

DavidEsq:

Can we let the bible answer that question? I asked: can we, pls?

I don't believe in the bible, so you'd be wasting your time to be honest.

XxSabrinaxX:

I don't believe in the bible, so you'd be wasting your time to be honest.

But u believe that God is incompetent or whatever, right?