DavidEsq:

But u believe that God is incompetent or whatever, right?

XxSabrinaxX:

Incompetent. Yes

DavidEsq:

Which means u believe in God's existence. Now if God exists, he would certainly want us to know he does exist and he would want us to know what we shld do and not do. Abi?

Heathen777:


Freewill or not, it's irrelevant to an Omniscient being who knows the end from the beginning. If God knew his creation would sin and fall short, he could've made it such that they weren't capable of sinning.


Also, why would God need to test anybody if he already knows what their actions would be?

tintingz:
Is it that God had "no choice" than to give freewill despite knowing the end of it?

XxSabrinaxX:

@Bolded: Just because I called God Incompetent doesn't mean I believe in his existence. I call Spider-Man responsible, has that now validated his existence?

If God truly exists, and he is omnibenevolent and omnipotent, then yes, he would want us to know what to do.

DavidEsq:

So let's see how God shows us wat to do and weda he exists?
Firstly, God has 3 outstanding qualities: love, wisdom and justice. If we have come to know these qualities, then it would be easy to tell is really God extends his omniscient powers to our freewill.
Since we now understand that God has to peer (or actively look into) our future actions, in order to tell if we would do wrong or right, let's see a book a history that tells us much about God. Isaiah 48:17 says: "This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel:“I, Jehovah, am your God,The One teaching you to benefit yourself,The One guiding you in the way you should walk".
This scripture tell us who God is to mankind. That he alone has the ability to decide for us what is right or wrong. Would that mean that he is dictatorial? No. Why no? Verse 18 of Isaiah 48 says thus: "If only you would pay attention to my commandments!Then your peace would become just like a river And your righteousness like the waves of the sea".
Take note of "if". Which means we are free to decide weda or not to accept his guidance.
Would he punish us severely for not accepting his guidance? If he would, how would he do it?
Firstly, he doesn't choose to peer into weda we wld choose good or bad. That is why he says "if". What proof supports this?
If he would peer into the future of our actions are we still agents of freewill? No this is because we would no longer be free to exercise our will or choices. He would be invading into our privacy if he decides to peer into weda we would obey him or not.
Again, wat would he stand to gain if he peers into weda we would act right or wrong?
Let's see an event that showed that he doesn't peer into our choices to do right or wrong. Would u mind?

HellVictorinho:

Hmmm...God sucks.

DavidEsq:

So let's see how God shows us wat to do and weda he exists?
Firstly, God has 3 outstanding qualities: love, wisdom and justice. If we have come to know these qualities, then it would be easy to tell is really God extends his omniscient powers to our freewill.
Since we now understand that God has to peer (or actively look into) our future actions, in order to tell if we would do wrong or right, let's see a book a history that tells us much about God. Isaiah 48:17 says: "This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel:“I, Jehovah, am your God,The One teaching you to benefit yourself,The One guiding you in the way you should walk".
This scripture tell us who God is to mankind. That he alone has the ability to decide for us what is right or wrong. Would that mean that he is dictatorial? No. Why no? Verse 18 of Isaiah 48 says thus: "If only you would pay attention to my commandments!Then your peace would become just like a river And your righteousness like the waves of the sea".
Take note of "if". Which means we are free to decide weda or not to accept his guidance.
Would he punish us severely for not accepting his guidance? If he would, how would he do it?
Firstly, he doesn't choose to peer into weda we wld choose good or bad. That is why he says "if". What proof supports this?
If he would peer into the future of our actions are we still agents of freewill? No this is because we would no longer be free to exercise our will or choices. He would be invading into our privacy if he decides to peer into weda we would obey him or not.
Again, wat would he stand to gain if he peers into weda we would act right or wrong?
Let's see an event that showed that he doesn't peer into our choices to do right or wrong. Would u mind?

DavidEsq:

What has God sucked again na

HellVictorinho:

He can only exist as the greatest mutherfucking bitch-ass crack-head.

jasonguru:
God created an angel with a free will and ability to choose his life course, God did not create him to be a puppet in God's hand

abrahambest:
Well there are a lot of doubts about things in this world, but one thing I know is, live right, do good to your neighbors. Seun, do you agree??

DavidEsq:

So let's see wat the omniscient nature of God means.
we must first answer the question of freewill.
When God made man, he gave him the right to choose between right and wrong: Genesis 2:16,17. In fact, based on verse 17, man knew exactly the consequences of acting wrong. How far does this freewill stretch according to God's will? To answer that question, we have to first examine our everyday life.
When ur mother tells u not to make friends with boys, do u have the choice to obey or disobey? Let's get this first.

jasonguru:
God created an angel with a free will and ability to choose his life course, God did not create him to be a puppet in God's hand

abrahambest:
Well there are a lot of doubts about things in this world, but one thing I know is, live right, do good to your neighbors. Seun, do you agree??

Seun:

I definitely believe in living right and doing good to my neighbours. Most people believe in this, but the details of what exactly it means to live right and to do good are where we might disagree.

DavidEsq:

So let's see how God shows us wat to do and weda he exists?
Firstly, God has 3 outstanding qualities: love, wisdom and justice. If we have come to know these qualities, then it would be easy to tell is really God extends his omniscient powers to our freewill.
Since we now understand that God has to peer (or actively look into) our future actions, in order to tell if we would do wrong or right, let's see a book a history that tells us much about God. Isaiah 48:17 says: "This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel:“I, Jehovah, am your God,The One teaching you to benefit yourself,The One guiding you in the way you should walk".
This scripture tell us who God is to mankind. That he alone has the ability to decide for us what is right or wrong. Would that mean that he is dictatorial? No. Why no? Verse 18 of Isaiah 48 says thus: "If only you would pay attention to my commandments!Then your peace would become just like a river And your righteousness like the waves of the sea".
Take note of "if". Which means we are free to decide weda or not to accept his guidance.
Would he punish us severely for not accepting his guidance? If he would, how would he do it?
Firstly, he doesn't choose to peer into weda we wld choose good or bad. That is why he says "if". What proof supports this?
If he would peer into the future of our actions are we still agents of freewill? No this is because we would no longer be free to exercise our will or choices. He would be invading into our privacy if he decides to peer into weda we would obey him or not.
Again, wat would he stand to gain if he peers into weda we would act right or wrong?
Let's see an event that showed that he doesn't peer into our choices to do right or wrong. Would u mind?

DavidEsq:

I appreciate ur honesty. So despite ur freewill, u trusted her to guide ur steps. So let's see how wat God does with our freewill. Since Isaiah 46:10 tells us that God can foretell the future, would that mean that God would peer into our future to see if we would be obedient or disobedient ppl? Without going into semantics, to say God CAN foretell the future, certainly means that God has to actually peer into our future because that would certainly be the way to know wat our actions would be. Does God d that? Let's see wat the bible says. Should we?

DavidEsq:

So let's see how God shows us wat to do and weda he exists?
Firstly, God has 3 outstanding qualities: love, wisdom and justice. If we have come to know these qualities, then it would be easy to tell is really God extends his omniscient powers to our freewill.
Since we now understand that God has to peer (or actively look into) our future actions, in order to tell if we would do wrong or right, let's see a book a history that tells us much about God. Isaiah 48:17 says: "This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel:“I, Jehovah, am your God,The One teaching you to benefit yourself,The One guiding you in the way you should walk".
This scripture tell us who God is to mankind. That he alone has the ability to decide for us what is right or wrong. Would that mean that he is dictatorial? No. Why no? Verse 18 of Isaiah 48 says thus: "If only you would pay attention to my commandments!Then your peace would become just like a river And your righteousness like the waves of the sea".
Take note of "if". Which means we are free to decide weda or not to accept his guidance.
Would he punish us severely for not accepting his guidance? If he would, how would he do it?
Firstly, he doesn't choose to peer into weda we wld choose good or bad. That is why he says "if". What proof supports this?
If he would peer into the future of our actions are we still agents of freewill? No this is because we would no longer be free to exercise our will or choices. He would be invading into our privacy if he decides to peer into weda we would obey him or not.
Again, wat would he stand to gain if he peers into weda we would act right or wrong?
Let's see an event that showed that he doesn't peer into our choices to do right or wrong. Would u mind?

do you mean the bible has its flaws?i thought the word of god was perfect and you have not answered the question

luvmijeje:
You have asked a valid question but your question is meant your fellow Atheist and generally men who are not steeped in religion.

This thread makes me to remember an incident that happened when I came newly to this section. Seun opened a thread questioning how the four gospel books was different. Because I was strong when it comes to the Bible, I refused to see his points. I was furious because I know he can easily sway those who are not strong in God. I'll repeat logic works for those who are not steeped in religion.

Looking back, one of the reason that I refused to see the point raised was simply because I've experienced God. And there are people in the Bible who have experience a little of what I have experienced. So it was easier to close my eyes to the flaws.

All I will say is God's bigger than the Bible or any book of man. Who God is to us is a product of our life journey.

Whether you are an Atheist or not, we'll at one point in our life question our belief. And we'll at one point finally come to the conclusion that there things bigger than us and it is unexplainable.

MJBOLT:

do you mean the bible has its flaws?i thought the word of god was perfect and you have not answered the question

luvmijeje:


The Bible has many flaws but it also has its own strength.

MrPresident1:
Any subjectivity in loving your neighbour as yourself?

Seun:
You should most definitely not love your neighbour as yourself. Jesus was wrong. Here is a better idea:
Love yourself most.
Followed by your children and your spouse.
Then other family members and close friends.
Then all other people you know.
Then all other people who are alive.
And finally, love all animals that are not pests.

DavidEsq:

Which means u believe in God's existence. Now if God exists, he would certainly want us to know he does exist and he would want us to know what we shld do and not do. Abi?

MJBOLT:

The word 'Omniscient' simply means the ability to know everything.if god is all knowing,why did he create lucifer knowing fully well that he will rebel against his master and try to take heaven for himself,which will result in lucifer getting cast unto the earth unleashing unimaginable pain and suffering.






Cc XxSabrinaxX,CAPSLOCKED,frosbel2,seun

Seun:
You should most definitely not love your neighbour as yourself. Jesus was wrong. Here is a better idea:
Love yourself most.
Followed by your children and your spouse.
Then other family members and close friends.
Then all other people you know.
Then all other people who are alive.
And finally, animals that are not pests.