elated177:
You are wrong...very wrong in so many ways.

Originakalokalo:


Why do you think so?

Let's have your view.

Originakalokalo:

The solar system contains the Sun, the Moon and the stars.

Spiritually, Jesus is the Sun. The church is the moon ...the world is the Earth.

1. Jesus is the sun... The Bible calls him the sun of righteousness...Jesus said... I am the light of the world...

John 1 Vs 9 says he is the light of all men...

2. The Church is the moon.

The bible says "Let your light so shine before men... "

Jesus also said.... "you are the light of the world "

The church takes her light from Jesus. The moon takes its light from the Sun.

I am going somewhere... Pls follow me slowly...

Recall the dream that Joseph had? The Sun and the Moon bowed down to him.. The father, Jacob, interpreted the dream to be himself and the mother.

Husband and wife.... Jesus and the church.... The Sun and the Moon. ...

The moon cannot shine on its own, except it takes the light from the Sun and RADIATE IT TO THE WORLD.

Recall.... "Yea are the light of the world."

This is the mystery... Eclipse comes when the Earth comes in between the sun and the moon....

.and the world experiences darkness... Sometimes partial, sometimes full....

This World is now in darkness simply because, the world (Earth) has come inbetween the Sun(Jesus) and the moon (the Church )!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The church takes its light from her source which is Jesus.. and radiate it to the world.

instead of the moon to shine its light into the world, it casts darkness whenever the earth comes inbetween the Sun and the moon.

Indirectly, The Sun has been darkened and the Moon has not give her light...

This is a prophecy given by Jesus as to what will happen before he comes back ...

This is the greatest eclipse....

Follow me, I am not done yet.

elated177:



The Solar system is the gravitationally bound system of the sun and other objects that orbit it, either directly or indirectly.

Spiritually, Yahushua the Messiah is not the sun, he is the Son of YHVH of Hosts. He, Yahushua the Messiah, is the Word of our Father, YHVH El Shaddai. He was the embodiment of the Ten Commandments of the Father while on earth.

Yahushua the Messiah is not the sun. The sun was made through him. Yes, he is the light of the world, but not in the sense you have stated. He is the Word, the Ten Commandments, of YaHVeH of Hosts. Outside him, the Ten Commandments, are nothing but the deeds of darkness...sin. Yahushua the Messiah didn't refer to himself as the sun of the world when he said "I am the light of the world". Psl 119:105.

When the Messiah was in the world, the sun was still in the sky.

The "church" or "assembly" or "congregation" or "body" of Yahushua the Messiah is not the moon. The saints of Yahushua the Messiah do not constitute the moon. They are the light. It is the Word of YHVH of Hosts in them that makes them shine...bear fruit...do the Commandments of the Father. John 14:15-17,21,23; 15:4,5,7,8,10,12,17.

The Scripture says, " Let your light shine before others...Matt 5:16". The Messiah is admonishing the saints to manifest, display or show that that they are his servants by actually doing the will of the Father ... Obeying the Ten Commandments, by so doing upholding the honor of the Father.

Yes, a saint of YaHVeH of Hosts is the light of the world. This is because he/she shows the world how things are done in the righteous way.

The ability of the saints to shine is wholely dependent upon the Word of the Father in them. They are to radiate the Commandments of the Father in them.

The sun, moon and eleven stars bowed down to Joseph in his dream.

What about the stars...the eleven stars?

Yes, science has taught us that the moon reflects the light it gets from the sun. It does not produce its own light. The moon, according to science, has nothing in it to enable it produce its own light. But, the saints are light. The produce light...bear fruit. The saints have in them the ability, the Word of Yahveh of Hosts - which is the Light himself, that enables them to produce light. Of a truth, without Yahushua the Messiah - the Word of the Father, his Ten Commandments - the saints can do nothing. John 15:5. They cannot only bear fruit - shine - without the Word in them and obedience to the Word. Yahushua the Messiah - the Word of Yahveh of Hosts - is the Source of the light in the saints.

About eclipse, there is no mystery here spiritually. You described lunar eclipse - where the earth comes between the sun and moon. This only happens when the sun, earth and moon are exactly or very closely aligned. It can only happen on the night of a full moon.

Lunar eclipse occurs at night - only on a full moon, what kind of darkness does the world experience?

What about solar eclipse?

Yahushua the Messiah is not the sun. His "church", "assembly" or "body" is not the moon. NOTHING can come between the Messiah Yahushua and his "body", his saints or his "church". John 10:28-29; ROM 8:31-39. Again, spiritually the saints seat with the Father in the heavenly realms in the Messiah Yahushua. Eph 2:6. Yahushua the Messiah is greater than the sun. What do you make of Rev 22:5?

You wrongly used Matt 24:29 to support your message. Isaiah 13:10-11 and 34:4 and Matt 24:29 describe the end of the age. These are signs that will herald the appearance of the Son of Man, the Son of Yahveh of Hosts...Yahushua. Matt 24:30.

If those you refer to as the "church" are not shining because, according to you, they have been hindered by the world, then they were never the body ( church, assembly, saints) of Yahushua the Messiah in the first place.

Originakalokalo:
What is the evidence, therefore of darkness on Earth?

Answer : Sin, Sickness and death.

When Jesus was on earth he said that he is the light of the world. When he left, he said we are now the light of the world...

Did Jesus really leave? No. He didn't...

When he was departing from the world, he said... I Won't Leave you comfortless, I will send the Holy Spirit... I WILL COME TO YOU.

JESUS IS THE SPIRIT that lives in the church (the church here is individual Christian...Trinity is obtained here..)

So, Jesus has not left... He lives in the church.

But the light that should shine from the church has been blocked as a result of the world coming inbetween the church and Jesus....

Don't forget the greatest eclipse in page one of this thread.

Now, When Jesus was alive, he demonstrated purity, love, humility, meekness, gentleness, etc...

These are the fruit of the Holy Spirit... !!!!!!

When he was alive, he demonstrated power... Healing the sick, raising the dead.. The blind saw, the lame walked... etc.

This was his demonstrations as the light.

Now, let me ask you.... Is the church full of purity and power?

The answer is No.

There you are. The nature of light in the church is darkened.... No light.. No power and no purity...

This is why the world is in darkness!!!!!


Unless the church will remove the world between her and the Jesus the Sun,

The darkness continues..It will continue . More atrocities will be committed by the church... until the world sees nothing but darkness...total darkness... Total evil, atrocities, immorality, etc...

Then,...

The Sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light.... Until the Son of God appears in Power and great glory.

I am still not done.... Pls follow me slowly.

elated177:



You have contradicted yourself.

Like I mentioned earlier; if those you refer to as the "church" are no longer shining/bearing fruit, because, according to you they have been hindered or eclipsed by the world, then they were never the saints or church or body of the Messiah Yahushua to begin with. Again John 10:28-29; Romans 8:31-39; Matt 16:18-19.

Miracles - healings, deliverance etc - are just signs that will follow the saints of Yahushua the Messiah. The fruit the saints are to bear is obedience to the Commandments of the Father. They must shine in a sinful and perverted world.

There will be increase of wickedness...lawlessness, therefore the love of many will grow cold. As we draw closer to the second coming of the Master, Yahushua the Messiah, that is the end of the age, wickedness/lawlessness will increase. It will not be because any power has hindered or will hinder the saints of the Messiah from shining or bearing fruit.

The saints or body of Yahushua the Messiah, the begotten Son of YaHVeH of Hosts, will not commit any atrocity in any way, shape or form. Those who practise witchcraft and worship demons, carry both small and jumbo-sized bibles all over the place with their ulterior motives, preach and repeat the things - mostly garbage and humbug - they have been taught in their bible schools and theological cemeteries - oh I mean seminaries - and proclaim their so-called dreams, visions, revelations and claim to be servants and followers of Yahushua the Messiah, do not really constitute the "church", "body", "assembly", "called-ones" or saints of Yahushua the Messiah.
They are the church you refer to. They are not the Church or body of Yahushua the Messiah. They are wolves in sheep's clothing. They are the darkness masquerading as the light. They are the world. They are responsible for the wickedness on the society. They are the ones the kingdom of darkness uses to fight against the saints of Yahushua the Messiah. They are the ones atheist look at and malign the righteous way.

Our brothers Peter and Jude described them very well: 2 Peter 2:1-22; Jude 4-16.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu Yah!

Originakalokalo:



Jesus is not a "Sun" ...he is the word of God. Jesus is God... He is the son of God...

These are facts in the Bible...

The use of the solar system to explain what's going on with the church is just an

"analogy"......a type of.... Bearing semblance with...

What I stated is not a doctrine...

However, I need to correct a statement from your reply....
A true follower of Christ shines in the world because he knows or follows Jesus.

You don't get to "light the world " without knowing Jesus.


I get your points anyway.

Peace .

Originakalokalo:



Jesus is not a "Sun" ...he is the word of God. Jesus is God... He is the son of God...

These are facts in the Bible...

The use of the solar system to explain what's going on with the church is just an

"analogy"......a type of.... Bearing semblance with...

What I stated is not a doctrine...

However, I need to correct a statement from your reply....
A true follower of Christ shines in the world because he knows or follows Jesus.

You don't get to "light the world " without knowing Jesus.


I get your points anyway.

Peace .

Originakalokalo:
What is the evidence, therefore of darkness on Earth?

Answer : Sin, Sickness and death.

Broseley do u know Aw many Christians are on live machines
all these your church girls are some people girlfriend
do u know Aw many Christians die prematurely
even during one of the programmes of the redemption camp a bus full of pastors had accident and died
but I thought they were going see their God who does not let evil befall his own begotten

elated177:


Analogy? That is what it would seem at the shallow level. I thought so myself at first till I read it very well.


Don't make light of your error. Admit that you were totally in error. This message is capable of pushing a person into idolatry. It appears you don't grasp the magnitude of the error in your message.

elated177:



What statement? Please, highlight the statement.

Originakalokalo:


Peace.

Originakalokalo:


Peace.

elated177:


Young man, highlight the statement you claim you corrected. Haven't you noticed that the Scriptures strictly condemn falsehood?

elated177:


That's your trademark, as I have come to realize. You always try to dismiss pertinent issues with a wave of the hand.

Originakalokalo:


Peace.

Hermes019:
Peace






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