TheGoodJoe:


That last South African game left me feeling bitter. It was so disappointing and I felt bad spending time watching such atrocious display.

Mickael2:


For the record, the NFF brought in Aina and Idowu, IIRC the move to tie down Ebuehi started even before Rohr was invited but I am not sure about that one though.

Keshi invited Musa, he is still playing. Onazi, still active. I can list others but I would have to waste time browsing them right now. From all the players you listed three are U17 special talents so definitely they would have gotten there, some have not even done enough in the GWG to justify their invitation ahead of better players, then do you know how long it took to invite Onyekuru? And how many games has he played? This not a comparison at all as there is absolutely no way you can compare Keshi's achievements to that of Rohr, Keshi trumps any day of the week, the point is like theGoodJoe already said, the U17 has increased drastically our pool of players, Rohr isn't the special guy developing anybody

charlesemeka85:
because we didnt win them 10-0 but you forgot that the ref disallowed 2 clears goal that the team scored. in the same match how many goal scoring chances did south africa produce?

charlesemeka85:
bros which match are you talking about? pre rohr's era the match is not yet played? a match we won the first stanza 2 nil and the libyan's bounced bank and equalized before ighalo scored the late winner? the same libya that south africa couldn't win home and away but was raped in uyo by rohr and his boys? oga shift abeg.

i am not saying rohr is the best and have failed few times tactically but i commend him so far for the work he has put in since taking up the coaching responsibility of the team. did you ever believe we will qualify from a group that had algeria,cameroon and zambia without losing a single game enroute to the world cup? did you ever believed that after the south african defeat in uyo that the team will bounce back and qualify with a game remaining? common! rohr is not the best and have saw many flaws but lets give him credit for what he has been able to achieve with the team so far

charlesemeka85:
hahahahahahaha you mean the nff brought in aina and idowu and forced them on rohr?

TheGoodJoe:


That last South African game left me feeling bitter. It was so disappointing and I felt bad spending time watching such atrocious display.

Mickael2:


For the record, the NFF brought in Aina and Idowu, IIRC the move to tie down Ebuehi started even before Rohr was invited but I am not sure about that one though.

Keshi invited Musa, he is still playing. Onazi, still active. I can list others but I would have to waste time browsing them right now. From all the players you listed three are U17 special talents so definitely they would have gotten there, some have not even done enough in the GWG to justify their invitation ahead of better players, then do you know how long it took to invite Onyekuru? And how many games has he played? This not a comparison at all as there is absolutely no way you can compare Keshi's achievements to that of Rohr, Keshi trumps any day of the week, the point is like theGoodJoe already said, the U17 has increased drastically our pool of players, Rohr isn't the special guy developing anybody

Mickael2:


I have not watched that game again since that day, that's how bad it was for me

charlesemeka85:
i never for once told you rohr developed them. the duty of a senior national team coach is to assemble a good team with the players in his disposal. when ezekiel imoh was blazzing hot in belgium how long did it take keshi to give him a chance? instead he took from the same belgian league a player who had less fancied figures to that of imoh to the world cup. what was the form of sone aluko prior to 2013 afcon when he was with ranger of scotland? your keshi preferred uzoenyi to sone who was the best in the colors of glasgow rangers and one of the best in the league. haruna lukman was doing very well in ukraine in the colors of dynamo kiev but keshi preferred to take an injured gabriel reuben to the afcon. taiye taiwo was still balling in the same club with haruna and ideye and was miles better than echiejile and oshanwa why wasnt he atleast given a chance to fight for a shirt during the afcon preparation?

Mickael2:


How many matches has Aina played? He is generally not in Rohr's plan

Idowu is currently a bench warner, Rohr was using him because when the desirable is not available..... Now he is back to the bench. The point of the matter is that these guys had their switch of allegiance sponsored by the NFF. It is a different thing when a coach specifically asks for a particular player but in the case of Aina it was Pinnick that did it all, the records are there, that was the gebesisi of the Innit boys

charlesemeka85:
i never for once told you rohr developed them. the duty of a senior national team coach is to assemble a good team with the players in his disposal. when ezekiel imoh was blazzing hot in belgium how long did it take keshi to give him a chance? instead he took from the same belgian league a player who had less fancied figures to that of imoh to the world cup. what was the form of sone aluko prior to 2013 afcon when he was with ranger of scotland? your keshi preferred uzoenyi to sone who was the best in the colors of glasgow rangers and one of the best in the league. haruna lukman was doing very well in ukraine in the colors of dynamo kiev but keshi preferred to take an injured gabriel reuben to the afcon. taiye taiwo was still balling in the same club with haruna and ideye and was miles better than echiejile and oshanwa why wasnt he atleast given a chance to fight for a shirt during the afcon preparation?

Mickael2:


How many matches has Aina played? He is generally not in Rohr's plan

Idowu is currently a bench warner, Rohr was using him because when the desirable is not available..... Now he is back to the bench. The point of the matter is that these guys had their switch of allegiance sponsored by the NFF. It is a different thing when a coach specifically asks for a particular player but in the case of Aina it was Pinnick that did it all, the records are there, that was the gebesisi of the Innit boys

Humility017:

the English press made Tammy utterance worst and made Nigeria a laughing stock...
it's like a company willing to offer you a job on a platter of gold trying to cajole you from another company's brief...all you could say to the press was such Tammy statement...
how do you expect that company to feel... even when you're just a huge prospect not a finished product yet...

they should come start begging you again so as to get them embarrassed.

you guys seems not to know the precedents this will set for the super eagles....many of the current players will feel they've been belittled..
let's make use of those willing and longing to play for us... rather than go after lads who think they're doing a country of over 200m a favour by playing for us...

Nigeria may not be our dream nation still... Nigeria may not be the best, even the good...but still We love this country...they're many willing to lay down their lives for this country...many of us are here because of our love for Nigeria..and we believe in Nigeria future even though the future look blurred...

so let's use one those lad hungry to play for us...awoniyi and victor are there for grab...also many anglo-Nigerians in the UK will grab the opportunity to play for us if they're approached.

bobobooge:



I do not totally agreed with you.

Rohr's input in the growth and competition in our national team cannot be overstated.

In time past, coaches like Oliseh called up Ekong but did not play him on grounds that 'He is not black enough to play African teams'
Alex Iwobi was called up but not played.

Despite the successes of the U17 and academies Keshi of blessed memory found it hard to cap Iheanacho, Nwakali and the likes but preferred to stick to local and unfit players.

Siasia is not left out.

Rohr so far has shown best practices in selecting the squad and capping new players. He scouted and brought in Idowu when we had full back problems. He brought in Uzoho, Collins etc.

Look at the special attention he gave to Chukwuwze in the game he debuted against Uganda. He recognises talents and useful additions.

It is the Rohr factor that has brought the discipline, growth and competition to our team not the academies. These players have always been there yet the likes of Oliseh preferred Onobi in his midfield over Mikel.

Please do not under emphasize the impact of Rohr in the teams growth.

He never gives up on improving the team. He scouts, he talks to coaches to play is boys, he advises them on transfers. Look how much of our boys moved after the WC.

Rohr has been the massive impact, not the academies.

TheGoodJoe:


Aluko and Uzoenyi played different roles. Keshi still gave Aluko the nod. You are making seem as if he screened him out a his career.

Keshi was brave to bring Aaron Samuel from China when most pundits and figure heads kicked against Aluko.

Keshi gave Hope Akpan the nod and Hope Akpan delivered.

Keshi camped a just crowned U17 Iheanacho in the CHAN team and wanted to unleash him before Manchester City took him away from the camp.

TheGoodJoe:


Do you know that it was Keshi that revived Mikel's career as a creative player after it seemed he lost his creativity for years. Not some white man playing Mikel in a position and the coach copies.

Keshi brought Mikel, gave him the liberty and he blossomed as a Supernova outshining stars at the AFCON.

charlesemeka85:
how do you mean that aluko and uzoenyi plays different roles? aluko for our information is even more versatile then uzoenyi. both are naturally left footed and can play from the left and right flank depending on the tactics a coach deploys but aluko can also strive as a number 10 and 8
and can play as a striker as well.you dare not compare both. was aluko the same form that he was when keshi gave him a chance? how many matches did keshi play aluko? his last match was against south africa in uyo and when brought in sone equalized with 2 quick goals and may were questioned keshi's decison to leave him out of the team for a long time.

aaron samuel got his first chance in the team when he was still in norway before moving to china.get your facts right. keshi brought ihenacho to camp with criminal and selfish motives to force him to sign with his management team so he will be the one to ventor any move when offer were pouring in for him. the lad and his representatives refused and he was dropped.

Mickael2:


I did specifically mention that 2-3 win, do you argue that Libya did not create better chances than us? That is all I want to hear from you, yes or no.

We have qualified from tougher groups over the years. Maximum kudos to Rohr for doing that but when the real game started at the world cup, we ran back to our owners with our tails between our legs, we were severely exposed as below average.

About the AFCON group, we have never lost to SA before, and the other teams are Libya and Seychelles, no disrespect to them but they are ball boys, farmers parading as footballers. Our qualification was more down to SA's inefficiencies than our superior abilities. Do you know that we actually did not defeat SA? They won the first leg and the other was a draw. Just that they couldn't finish off Libya and Seychelles or we would be two points behind them

charlesemeka85:
how do you mean that aluko and uzoenyi plays different roles? aluko for our information is even more versatile then uzoenyi. both are naturally left footed and can play from the left and right flank depending on the tactics a coach deploys but aluko can also strive as a number 10 and 8
and can play as a striker as well.you dare not compare both. was aluko the same form that he was when keshi gave him a chance? how many matches did keshi play aluko? his last match was against south africa in uyo and when brought in sone equalized with 2 quick goals and may were questioned keshi's decison to leave him out of the team for a long time.

aaron samuel got his first chance in the team when he was still in norway before moving to china.get your facts right. keshi brought ihenacho to camp with criminal and selfish motives to force him to sign with his management team so he will be the one to ventor any move when offer were pouring in for him. the lad and his representatives refused and he was dropped.

TheGoodJoe:


Can Uzoenyi play as a creative midfielder. Aluko was always key for the ss/am role. Not as a winger. Uzoenyi's primary role was on the wings. Same cannot be said of Aluko.

Aluko lost his place to Michael Babatunde who was one of the revelations of the World Cup beyond the expectations of most fans and pundits. Another jackpot of Keshi that shows his insight was deep.

charlesemeka85:
lol bros nawa ooooooo. and the same mikel played that role and was a big flop in 2014 world cup.for your information mikel was deployed as a deep lying play maker and not a number 10 in 2013 afcon. keshi fielded nosa igiebor as the team'snumber 10 in the group stage but he under performed before keshi called up mba to take up the role

charlesemeka85:
bros sone is a winger and only started playing in the ss and attacking midfield position in the later stage of his career when coaches discovered he is creative and has an eye for goal

TheGoodJoe:


Aluko lost his place to Michael Babatunde, not Uzoenyi. Uzoenyi came in after the injury to Echiejile. Keep in mind Uzoenyi can also play as a left back. He did not replace Aluko in any way.

Finito.

Mickael2:

Did someone actually say that!!

bobobooge:


Here are the stats.

https://www.livescore18.com/football-match/Southafrica-vs-Nigeria/summary-1393574

Libya 2 vs 3 Nigeria

How were we exactly ran down like you claim? Because you seem to be giving Libya the moral victory.

Kindly note that if we play SA and Libya 2 more times, they still will not win us.

We have beaten reigning African champs Cameron. We have deflated Algeria. We almost bamboozled Argentina. We shit on Iceland.

Our recent team is all-round better than the team that capitulated to Croatia. We now have exciting additions like Kalu, Chwukwueze. Even Iwobi is refurbished and has his game raised higher than at the world cup.

All these exploits under Rohr.

So back to the initial question,

From an unbiased lens, how exactly did Libya shit on us based on these stats.


@ charlesemeka85
You are very much on point bro. I could never have argued better.

They want to belittle Rohr's impact on the team as if even Westerroff would have beaten Croatia and Argentina with the inexperienced team Rohr handled




https://www.livescore18.com/football-match/Southafrica-vs-Nigeria/summary-1393574

Icon4s:


I agree but TheGoodJoe also has a point.

I think u are both right. In the sense that there is a Rohr factor and also Successes in our youth teams. Not just the U17 but also the U20s. As at least 70% of that team played the U17, U20 and U23 between 2003 and 2016.

TheGoodJoe:


Can Uzoenyi play as a creative midfielder. Aluko was always key for the ss/am role. Not as a winger. Uzoenyi's primary role was on the wings. Same cannot be said of Aluko.

Aluko lost his place to Michael Babatunde who was one of the revelations of the World Cup beyond the expectations of most fans and pundits. Another jackpot of Keshi that shows his insight was deep.

charlesemeka85:
i never for once told you rohr developed them. the duty of a senior national team coach is to assemble a good team with the players in his disposal. when ezekiel imoh was blazzing hot in belgium how long did it take keshi to give him a chance? instead he took from the same belgian league a player who had less fancied figures to that of imoh to the world cup. what was the form of sone aluko prior to 2013 afcon when he was with ranger of scotland? your keshi preferred uzoenyi to sone who was the best in the colors of glasgow rangers and one of the best in the league. haruna lukman was doing very well in ukraine in the colors of dynamo kiev but keshi preferred to take an injured gabriel reuben to the afcon. taiye taiwo was still balling in the same club with haruna and ideye and was miles better than echiejile and oshanwa why wasnt he atleast given a chance to fight for a shirt during the afcon preparation?

ChrisKels:


I never expected this from you, dont let ur fantasies make u join the deluded band wagon. A Tammy that didn't fancy a world cup chance with Nigeria, will now suddenly stoop so low for one inconsequential Afcon, now that he seems to have rediscovered his form and ripe for the 3lions?

Dream on. The earlier u lot wake up from this slumber...

bobobooge:


I am glad you have commented from an unbiased angle. I love that.

That Rohr factor is what they have denied or tried to water down.

According to thegoodjoe,

"Rohr is getting more praise than he deserves"

That sounds like a travesty.

Because we all know our story before Rohr came in.

They have even gone ahead and criticized his style of game.

They said Libya and SA shit on us

These to me are arguments I cannot leave to fly without countering.

Rohr so far has one of the best records qualifying us for the WC and AFCON.

Today we can boast of beating top African teams by margins of 3-0 or 4-0. Just a while back many of us would not dream of this.

I am one of the ardent supporters of Rohr's conservative approaches I.e vs SA.

We have seen adventurous coaches I.e Siasia throw away qualifications (2012) because they do not know how to be conservative when necessary.

Rohr's conservative approach has built us into a massive defensive machine. One of our problems in recent past. Rohr's team even work on defending set pieces.

I dare way we are on the right track with Rohr and the team he is building will be a tough but to crack come 2022.


Glory 2022! WC on an African soil, Nigeria!

maidaboi:
yes I did
any problem?