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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:57pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


If Siasia this, if Siasia that..

Siasia that couldn't qualify us for ordinary Afcon

If he's so good at coaching why doesn't he currently have a job?

Even if you are talented as a coach, it is difficult for African coaches to secure good jobs. Remember Oliseh's travails in Europe?

I will always praise Siasia for his bravery and understanding of the game. I have no shred of doubt with time he can build a Super Eagles that will play with bravery and confidence.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:01pm On Jan 27, 2019
Icon4s:


It was very obvious Siasia was not matured enough for the senior team job.

We gave him some Time and tried him again in 2015. He seemed to have gotten better but still not yet ready.

There was no way we would have continued with an obviously inexperienced coach like Siasia after his performance during the 2012 AFCON qualfiers. Their was no need to be patient with a coach like that.

That is the problem.

A lot of people jump in with their negative way of understanding the game, forgetting that in the long run, the Super Eagles have claimed down the ladder of great football.

I remember when we were tagged one of the teams in World football that plays good football.

Siasia was building us in the right path but people were so eager for small gains and preferred him to have adopted a negative approach to just secure qualification.

With a long term goal in place and room for growth of the team, he would coach with bravery, set us up offensively and with time, we would regain our status as one of the footballing powerhouses of the game.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:04pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


Even if you are talented as a coach, it is difficult for African coaches to secure good jobs. Remember Oliseh's travails in Europe?

I will always praise Siasia for his bravery and understanding of the game. I have no shred of doubt with time he can build a Super Eagles that will play with bravery and confidence.

Why doesn't he pick an NPFL side and prove his worth?

Eeh, He is waiting for a SE job, even if Rohr is sacked Emmanuel Amunike, Emenalo, Finidi George are next in line, let him continue to wait
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:05pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


That is the problem.

A lot of people jump in with their negative way of understanding the game, forgetting that in the long run, the Super Eagles have claimed down the ladder of great football.

I remember when we were tagged one of the teams in World football that plays good football.

Siasia was building us in the right path but people were so eager for small gains and preferred him to have adopted a negative approach to just secure qualification.

With a long term goal in place and room for growth of the team, he would coach with bravery, set us up offensively and with time, we would regain our status as one of the footballing powerhouses of the game.

You call an AFCON qualification small gain?

How do you even expect to build a team when u cannot qualify for tournaments?

TheGoodJoe what are you saying sef?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:06pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


Why doesn't he pick an NPFL side or an NNL style and prove his worth

Eeh, He is waiting for a SE job, even if Rohr is sacked Emmanuel Amunike, Emenalo, Finidi George are next in line, let him continue to wait

Exactly, Siasia is not even on the lips of anyone now if the NFF should part ways with Rohr.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:07pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


That is the problem.

A lot of people jump in with their negative way of understanding the game, forgetting that in the long run, the Super Eagles have claimed down the ladder of great football.

I remember when we were tagged one of the teams in World football that plays good football.

Siasia was building us in the right path but people were so eager for small gains and preferred him to have adopted a negative approach to just secure qualification.

With a long term goal in place and room for growth of the team, he would coach with bravery, set us up offensively and with time, we would regain our status as one of the footballing powerhouses of the game.

Football is all about results, not theories otherwise Slavisa Jokanovic (former Fulham coach) would still have his job

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:09pm On Jan 27, 2019
Icon4s:


You call an AFCON qualification small gain?

How do you even expect to build a team when u cannot qualify for tournaments?

We build by continuously improving our play with conscious steps. The AFCON is but 7 games if the team gets to the finals. If not 3-6 games. I doubt that is enough to build a formidable side.

It takes the use of every opportunity of the international breaks to keep building. Training and playing in braver fashions. Setting up in systems that will favor the most offensive players in the team. Playing local and foreign friendly games when the opportunity comes. That is when big gains are made. When you look back and see that you are far better than the past.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:10pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


Football is all about results, not theories otherwise Slavisa Jokanovic (former Fulham coach) would still have his job

If football is all about results, Roy Hodgson would have won the Champions League back to back. Heck, Tony Pullis would have gotten the award as the World best coach.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 4:11pm On Jan 27, 2019
bobobooge:


I keep repeating.
World class! World class!! World class!!!
Glory 2022!

We can't be aiming to reach at least the semifinals in WC 2022 and still be limiting our pool of players.

If Tammy decides to play for us we should accept him. If the German boys Rohr wooed change their minds we should accept them.

Look how far we have come. There was a time our team was filled with the likes of Mba, Oboabona, Gambo, Babatunde, Reuben Gabriel, Oshaniwa etc.

Now we can boast of fairly above average players since Rohr came in. That's a steady progress we shouldn't stall.

Let's stop encouraging mediocrity in the name of pride.
We are not Germany. So we need to swallow our pride and get the best in anticipation for a solid team.

This year's AFCON is going to be a cracker. All the best players in Europe will be available unlike in the past when it was hosted in Jan/Feb while European leagues were busy and the likes of Egypt were able to win it back to back because top teams did not play with their full strength teams.

This years AFCON will be full of quality play and technicality from top teams. You get to watch Salah, Mane, Aubumeyang, Iwobi etc.

Victor Moses is welcome back to the team. Rohr also should not give up on scouting the quality additions and wooing them.

Glory 2022! World cup trophy on an African soil, NIGERIA grin
If Tammy decides to play for us,it is OK for me . But to approach him and start begging him to play for us is just a disrepute. Now tell me what Tammy will add to the SE if called up. For a tournament like AFCON, we have got a decent number of quality so calling up Tammy doesn't change anything.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 4:11pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


Gbamest!

Libya, outplayed us?? I need some weed from the Nigga

He is referring to the second leg where Odion gave us a win with a wonder goal. Our backs were against the wall before that sublime finish. Remember Libya came from 2 goals down before we won 3-2. We were outplayed though we won by the skin of our teeth.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:12pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


Why doesn't he pick an NPFL side and prove his worth?

Eeh, He is waiting for a SE job, even if Rohr is sacked Emmanuel Amunike, Emenalo, Finidi George are next in line, let him continue to wait

The factors and quality in the Nigerian league would never bring out the best in a coach like Siasia. Let Rohr go and coach in one of these leagues and let us see whether he would last.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:12pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


If football is all about results, Roy Hodgson would have won the Champions League back to back. Heck, Tony Pullis would have gotten the award as the World best coach.

Roy Hodgson and Tony Pulis did not win the Champions league so what are you saying?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 4:13pm On Jan 27, 2019
charlesemeka85:
Oga rohr's impact on the team is evident till date. He has infused more young talents and is out to scout and bring in more quality to the team unlike our previous coaches. Rohr has his own flaws but when it comes to players management and scouting I think he is the best we have had after westahof.

This is a man who make out time to visit some of our players, watch them play and also dialogue with clubs where some of our players a denied enough playing time. The likes of keshi and Co will never give chukwueze a chance so soon, he will be told he isn't strong enough and should start out with the u20 team cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy grin
what about his tactical input on the pitch? Rohr tried sha but I still dey look him with one eye.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:14pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


Roy Hodgson and Tony Pulis did not win the Champions league so what are you saying?

You are critiquing style of play, making the attacking model deficient. So why is the conservative one not treated with the same hard hand?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:14pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


The factors and quality in the Nigerian league would never bring out the best in a coach like Siasia. Let Rohr go and coach in one of these leagues and let us see whether he would last.

He would not coach an NPFL side but he would coach a Nigerian side

Funny
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 4:15pm On Jan 27, 2019
Spain that walloped us 3 nil na wey u say we gave dem fight?, lol
TheGoodJoe:


We lost to Spain in the confeds but one thing was clear, we gave them one of their toughest games of the tournament. We were on route to something but unfortunately, other factors affected the team.

Conservative football keeps the team stagnant or even rolls the team back in quality.

To become a top team takes conscious efforts and bravery or we will stay were we are. Scared of South Africa.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by busky007: 4:15pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


It takes time, patience and working towards a path to achieve greatness. We should be working towards developing an energetic, intensive and offensive means to give us the ability to blow off even tough oppositions.

Not for us to be patient working on a strategy that will tow us down the wrong course.

If we continue down this path, five years from now, we will still be parking bus hoping to win South Africa or draw to qualify.
at a time in football èven offensive coaches become conservative. Remember mourinho critizie for parking the bus won Europa league while kloop with gengenpress is yet to win a trophy
Man city vs lfc saw kloop and guardiola employing conservative tactics
Also Liverpool were 3-0 up against Southampton at HT kloop aware of lack of quality in attack on the beanch introduce conservative tactics
I see nothing wrong with it bro
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:15pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


We build by continuously improving our play with conscious steps. The AFCON is but 7 games if the team gets to the finals. If not 3-6 games. I doubt that is enough to build a formidable side.

It takes the use of every opportunity of the international breaks to keep building. Training and playing in braver fashions. Setting up in systems that will favor the most offensive players in the team. Playing local and foreign friendly games when the opportunity comes. That is when big gains are made. When you look back and see that you are far better than the past.

And AFCON qualfiers are how many games? 6. And out of which maybe only 1 or 2 teams can match ur strength. Is that competitive enough to build a team compared to the AFCON where every game is as competitive as they can get?

Who says u cannot play friendlies if you qualify for AFCON? Infact AFCON qualfication even make a team play more friendlies.

U cannot not say you want to build a team and u would prefer to stay away from the AFCON because u don't want "short gains". Not for a team of Nigeria's status. The AFCON is the very right place to build that team.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:16pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


You are critiquing style of play, making the attacking model deficient. So why is the conservative one not treated with the same hard hand?

Attacking or defensive model, all that matters is result

Mourinho won Champions league as a defensive coach, Guardiola won Champions league as an attacking coach

Both are considered world class coaches because of their results
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 4:17pm On Jan 27, 2019
BascoVanVeli:
Taiwo Awoniyi's winner.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c61wOpu4tV0
awww...I am really impressed.
these lad deserve a look in...and some here are still crying for Tammy Abraham the English international....

should some Africa countries have players of awoniyi and oshimen kind...they will definitely be in afcon commanding a starting berth...
even countries like Ghana

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:18pm On Jan 27, 2019
mostob:
If Tammy decides to play for us,it is OK for me . But to approach him and start begging him to play for us is just a disrepute. Now tell me what Tammy will add to the SE if called up. For a tournament like AFCON, we have got a decent number of quality so calling up Tammy doesn't change anything.

Agreed

Despite that i dont much like tammy, isnt he better than all out strikers at the moment?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:18pm On Jan 27, 2019
charlesemeka85:
Oga rohr's impact on the team is evident till date. He has infused more young talents and is out to scout and bring in more quality to the team unlike our previous coaches. Rohr has his own flaws but when it comes to players management and scouting I think he is the best we have had after westahof.

This is a man who make out time to visit some of our players, watch them play and also dialogue with clubs where some of our players a denied enough playing time. The likes of keshi and Co will never give chukwueze a chance so soon, he will be told he isn't strong enough and should start out with the u20 team cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy grin

My brother God bless you.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 4:18pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


Gbamest!

Libya, outplayed us?? I need some weed from the Nigga


grin grin grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:19pm On Jan 27, 2019
Icon4s:


And AFCON qualfiers are how many games? 6. And out of which maybe only 1 or 2 teams can match ur strength. Is that competitive enough to build a team compared to the AFCON where every game is as competitive as they can get?

Who says u cannot play friendlies if you qualify for AFCON? Infact AFCON qualfication even make a team play more friendlies.

U cannot not say you want to build a team and u would prefer to stay away from the AFCON because u don't want "short gains". Not for a team of Nigeria's status. The AFCON is the very right place to build that team.

That is my simple point. Use all the qualifiers, World Cup, AFCON as a continuous march into building a formidable squad. Play with bravery continuously. Sometimes you fall on the way but in the long run, you march towards a better team. In the long run better results.

But restricting goals to qualify for AFCON by any means possible and celebrating it, even though there is no real growth in our play, in the long run, we will see we are still in the same position.

My point is made.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:20pm On Jan 27, 2019
Earthquake1:


Attacking or defensive model, all that matters is result

Mourinho won Champions league as a defensive coach, Guardiola won Champions league as an attacking coach

Both are considered world class coaches because of their results

Both considered World Class coaches but who is more respected and who has built more formidable sides in the long run? There lies your answer.


Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:21pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


That is my simple point. Use all the qualifiers, World Cup, AFCON as a continuous march into building a formidable squad. Play with bravery continuously. Sometimes you fall on the way but in the long run, you march towards a better team. In the long run better results.

But restricting goals to qualify for AFCON by any means possible and celebrating it, even though there is no real growth in our play, in the long run, we will see we are still in the same position.

My point is made.

Any coach that cannot qualfy Nigeria for the AFCON deserves to be sacked! We cannot leave the development of the national team in the hands of such incompetent fellow! angry

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 4:22pm On Jan 27, 2019
Mickael2:

Bro no offence eh, but na black and white TV you dey use? grin
yes Any problem?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:24pm On Jan 27, 2019
busky007:
at a time in football èven offensive coaches become conservative. Remember mourinho critizie for parking the bus won Europa league while kloop with gengenpress is yet to win a trophy
Man city vs lfc saw kloop and guardiola employing conservative tactics
Also Liverpool were 3-0 up against Southampton at HT kloop aware of lack of quality in attack on the beanch introduce conservative tactics
I see nothing wrong with it bro

Klopp is marching towards greatness. He might not have trophies but he has done an almost impossible job. Keep in mind he has used two different teams to play the Champions league finals. There is a bit of luck that go into this thing. However, the teams play on ground is the evidence of how good a coach is.

Apart from Mourinho, how many conservative coaches are celebrated over the likes of Pep Guardiola, Ancelotti, Capello, Cruyff, Sacchi etc.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:25pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


Both considered World Class coaches but who is more respected and who has built more formidable sides in the long run? There lies your answer.


Finito.

All you are saying are appendeges truth is that both achieved success with thier respective styles

Note Guardiola has not built anything, he bought them

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 4:26pm On Jan 27, 2019
maidaboi:
yes Any problem?
grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by femianski: 4:27pm On Jan 27, 2019
IMO if you are conservative as a coach doesn't make you poor
what matters most is the results
Jose morinho is a defensive minded coach and is one of the most decorated managers on earth
Either you are a defensive minded coach or attacking minded coach doesn't matter
what matters is your ability to provide results no matter the tactics used
Antonio conte won the epl despite not having any epl experience
look at the Uganda national team for example, despite their defensive tactics qualified for the afcon without conceding a goal and with a game to spare.
despite the attacking mindedness of siasia what has he achieved with the eagles?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake1: 4:27pm On Jan 27, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


Klopp is marching towards greatness . He might not have trophies but he has done an almost impossible job. Keep in mind he has used two different teams to play the Champions league finals. There is a bit of luck that go into this thing. However, the teams play on ground is the evidence of how good a coach is.

Apart from Mourinho, how many conservative coaches are celebrated over the likes of Pep Guardiola, Ancelotti, Capello, Cruyff, Sacchi etc.

Marching towards greatness with 148million spent over the year

Ok grin

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